Great Fighters' AMATEUR Records...

[cross_trainer]

Name a few you know.

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I think Ray Robinson was 85-0 with 69 KOs or something.

Mike Tyson didn't have that many official amateur fights. Something like 24-3. I think he may have fought in a lot of smokers though.

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Bernard Hopkins: 85-4
Floyd Mayweather: 84-6
Oscar De La Hoya: 223-5
Roy Jones: 121-13

Felix Savon:

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In a prolific amateur career, Savon boasted a record of 358 wins and only 17 defeats.

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Wilfredo Gomez: 96-3
Azumah Nelson: 50-2
Felix Trinidad: 51-6 (12 KOs)
Thomas Hearns: 155-8 (11 KOs)
Ray Leonard: 145-5 (75 KOs)
Alexis Arguello: 58-2 (48 KOs)
Michael Spinks: 93-7 (31 KOs)
Muhammad Ali: 137-7

[Dempsey1238]

Who were the seven that defeated Ali?

[Titan1]

Thomas Hearns 155-8
Aaron Pryor 204-16
Michael Dokes 147-7
Tony Tucker 115-6

[janitor]

A few all time greats would be 0-0

[SchweitzerMan]

The 11 KO's for Hearns' amateur record always seems to surprise me considering the lethal right hand he had in the pros

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Anyone know Salvador Sanchez's amateur record?

I know it was brief.

[Sakura]

Povetkin 127-5

[Sakura]

Wlad klitchko 134-6

[Kolya]

I think Ray Robinson was 85-0 with 69 KOs or something.

Mike Tyson didn't have that many official amateur fights. Something like 24-3. I think he may have fought in a lot of smokers though.

Smokers are sanctioned amateur matches; and I believe Mike Tyson did have a fair few amater bouts; as he did go to the Olympic Trials; meaning at the time at least he had won one of the major national tournaments.

Oscar De La Hoya I believe was 223-5 or so. And I'm almost sure both Wladimir Klitschko and Aleksandr Povetkin had over 200 amateur fights.

[DamonD]

Lennox Lewis's amateur record was meant to be about 94-11.
I've seen different numbers presented though, sometimes with more or less wins, sometimes with less losses (I've never seen him listed as having more than 11 losses though).
I've got the results listed for about 77 of those fights for certain, though, so I can confirm 67 wins and 10 losses.

The 10 losses I have listed are to :
Donovan Ruddock, H Thompson, Tyrell Biggs, Vyacheslav Jakovlev, Jorge Luis Gonzalez, Aleksandr Miroshnichenko (all on points).
Petar Stojmenov, T Littles, Ulli Kaden (all by split-decision points)
Valeri Abadzhan (TKO3 loss, apparently a big left uppercut to the body that dropped Lewis to a knee having knocked out all his wind)

Riddick Bowe's was rumoured to be like 104-18.
But again, shrouded in a bit of mystery. It's odd.

Evander Holyfield racked up 160-14.

I've heard 24-3 for Tyson, but I've also seen 48-6 listed.
With the 6 losses being to Ernie Bennet, Craig Payne, Henry Tillman twice (those 4 all by points), a DQ2 loss to Kimmuel Odum and a TKO2 loss to Al Evans.

[Thread Stealer]

Smokers are sanctioned amateur matches; and I believe Mike Tyson did have a fair few amater bouts; as he did go to the Olympic Trials; meaning at the time at least he had won one of the major national tournaments.

Smokers aren't sanctioned.

They don't have a winner or a loser (unless the fight is stopped). Otherwise they commission has to step in.

[Nemesis]

wasnt G Foreman someithing like 20-0 in the amateurs

[DamonD]

I think Foreman had a few losses as an amateur, actually...I don't know who to, but I'm almost certain he didn't go unbeaten.

[DamonD]

Well hey...how's about this, from this very site!

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He says George racked up 22-4.

[Nemesis]

Well hey...how's about this, from this very site!

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He says George racked up 22-4.
:good

he really shouldnt lie on camera then should he ;)

[Sonny Carson]

Terry Norris 291-4

[Vantage_West]

The 11 KO's for Hearns' amateur record always seems to surprise me considering the lethal right hand he had in the prosit was said that he wasnt a violent guy so knocking a guy out didnt make sense if you could easily outbox them.

but in the pro legues you change you know your fighting a man who is trying to knock you out where as in the ams you are just trying to win...this is that big change that only the great amatuers-to-proffesional seem to get over. duane bobick was a good show of this in the ams great had power speed and great skills. in pro he had all that but didnt want to fight more or less win.

[Vantage_West]

Terry Norris 291-4is that true i heard he was a good lightwieght to welter didnt know he was goign for that long in the ams.:huh
thanx for that:good

[Mike T]

Anybody know what Mark Breland's record was?

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Tyson was 88-2. Both losses coming to Henry Tillman, who he KO'd in the first round in the pro's.

I keep hearing all these different records for Tyson.

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Anybody know what Mark Breland's record was?

Wiki says it was 110-1.

I wonder what Antonio Tarver's was. He was a hell of an amateur fighter.

[Senya13]

I researched Tarver's amateur record once, I'll look it up tomorrow among my notes.

[Luigi1985]

Wiki says it was 110-1.

I wonder what Antonio Tarver's was. He was a hell of an amateur fighter.


He had perhaps a good record, but he wasn´t that good. I have seen a fight against Aurino, and he got a draw, but Pietro was robbed big time, and Aurino isn´t that special, but, perhaps it was only a bad performance...

[Nemesis]

Wiki says it was 110-1.

I wonder what Antonio Tarver's was. He was a hell of an amateur fighter.

I dont think so, Breland was something like 420-7 (or am I getting confused :huh ) he won 5 golden gloves titles on the run

[mcvey]

Name a few you know.
Not a great fighter but Jerry Quarry had a fine amateur record,in the Golden Gloves he stopped all 5 of his opponents, I beelive that s a record,pity he never went to the Olympics.

[Pat_Lowe]

Im pretty sure Julio Cesar Chavez was either 10-0 or 12-0 in the amatuers.

[Senya13]

Here's Tarver's amateur record that I was able to research:

1992 State Amateur Boxing Championships
1992-01-18 KO1 win over unnamed opponent
1992-01-19 KO2 win over Henry Blue, weight 178 pounds, finals. Tarver has returned to boxing at the end of 1990 (after cutting off with drugs), and for 7 months has been trained by Pinklon Thomas.

1992 United States Boxing Federation's nationals (in Colorado Springs, CO)
Tarver lost in quarterfinals and thus missed the chance to get to the Olympics. Tarver parted with Pinklon Thomas shortly before this tournament.

1993 United States Boxing Association Championships (in Colorado Springs, CO)
1993-03-06 Tarver (record 92-6) wins in the final at 178 pounds, he defeated on points Frank Vasser (record 50-21)
on the way to the final he defeated one opponent by TKO, second by KO, third by unanimous decision (exact names not given)

USA vs Commonwealth of Independent States (Birmingham, Alaska)
1993-03-26 Tarver beats BY TKO3 Igor Kshinin, 178 pounds (USA won 11 fights out of 12), referee Rich Neves stops it 25 sec before the end of the round, after 3 knockdowns.

1993-04-09 Tarver (record 95-6) outpoints Frank Vassar (record 66-26), light heavyweight. Judges counted 66 landed punches for Tarver in 3 rounds.

1993 World Championships (Tampere, Finland)
1993-05-10 Tarver lost on points to Jacklord Jacobs.

USA vs Cuba (Biloxi, Mississippi)
1993-09-25 Tarver lost to Ramon Garbey.

1994 U.S. Olympic Festival
1994-07-04 Tarver wins semifinal by outpointing (17-13) Anthony Stewart. After 1st round he was ahead 9-0.
1994-07-05 Tarver wins final by outpointing Byron Mitchell, unanimous decision 3-0 (electronic system of scoring the rounds was broken)

1994 U.S. Nationals
Tarver loses in quarterfinal.

1994 National Golden Gloves
Tarver won the tournament.

1994 USA vs Cuba
Tarver lost very close decision to Juan Carlos Gomez, this fight is available on film.

1995-01-22 Tarver defeats Benjamin McDowell, light heavyweights, and earns a go to the Pan-American Games.

1995 USA vs Russia
1995-02-18 Tarver beats Evgeniy Makarenko, by UD. He scored 2 standing knockdowns and at the end of the 2nd round even knocked off Makarenko's helmet.

XII Pan American Games (Mar Del Plata, Argentina)
1995-03-19 Tarver stops Oscar Amador (Mexico) 17 sec. before the end of the 2nd round. 4 days before the fight Tarver weighed 170.
1995-03-21 Tarver wins quarterfinal by outpointing (11-10) Diosvany Vega (Cuba). After 1st round Tarver was ahead 6-2, although he received a standing KD count from a left.
1995-03-24 Tarver wins semifinal, name of opponent not given.
1995-03-26 Tarver wins final by stopping Thompson Garcia (Ecuador) at 3rd second (that's official time, probably not quite correct) from the beginning of the 2nd round, after he knocked the opponent down with two lefts.

1995-04-05 Tarver outpointed (24-6) Joseph Busse.

1995 World Championships
1995-05-09 Tarver got to quarterfinal against Milorad Gajovic (Yugoslavia). Tarver lost 1st round 0-2, then scored 2 standing knockdowns in the 2nd round, was 3 points ahead a minute before the end of the fight, but ended it as a draw 6-6. Judges gave the bout to Tarver.
In quarterfinal Tarver closely outpointed Pietro Aurino (Italy).
1995-05-12 Tarver wins semifinal by outpointing (9-6) Vassily Jirov (Kazakhstan).
1995-05-14 Tarver wins the final by outpointing (7-3) Diosvani Vega (Cuba).

1995 Olympic Festival
Tarver missed this tournament due to hand injury.

1995 USA vs. Puerto Rico (Orlando, FL)
1995-09-09 Tarver was supposed to meet with Jose Gomez, but instead he faced Edgara Santos, and defeated him on points.

1995 World Championships Challenge
This is a tournament where two best fighters in the world meet in each of 12 weight divisions.
1995-10-28 Tarver outpoints (9-5) Diosvani Vega (Cuba) in five 2-minute rounds.

1995 National Police Athletic League Boxing Championships
1995-11-04 Tarver got to U.S. Olympic Trials by unanimously outpointing Orlanda Anderson (Fort Huachuca, Ariz.).

1996 Olympic Trials (Oakland, Calif.)
1996-04-03 Tarver stops Limmie Young at 1:36 of the 3rd round, when Tarver was ahead on points 12-0.
1996-04-04 Tarver wins semifinal by outpoints (8-1) Tim Williamson, although by the middle of the bout Tarver didn't score a single point, but then he started flurrying and after a left his opponent received a standing KD count.
1996-04-06 Tarver was supposed to meet Glenn Robinson in the final, but the latter didn't attend the fight on time (claiming he thought the fight was to be held at a latter time, but he lost his appeal, as three trainers confirmed they told him the fight was at noon, not in the evening), he was disqualified and lost a chance to get into Box-Off's too and was replaced by Anthony Stewart, who beat Tarver in 1994, but has lost to him twice since then.

1996 Olympic Box-Offs
1996-04-19 Tarver outpoints (17-0) Anthony Stewart and goes to the Olympics.

1996 USA vs Germany (Portland, Ore.)
1996-05-18 Tarver outpointed (9-5) Thomas Ulrich.

1996 USA vs Russia
1996-06-17 Tarver outpointed (31-11) Igor Dzagoyev. Tarver received a flash knockdown in the 1st round, although he still won the round 6-2, he was ahead after 2nd round 22-5.

USA Boxing - A Night With America's Team
1996-06-22 Tarver stops Corey Maxey 40 sec. before the end of the 3rd round. In 1st round he scored a standing KD. Maxey won Florida Golden Gloves, was 2nd at the National Police Athletic League tournament, won Sunshine State Games three times, he sparred with Tarver often at that time too.

1996 Olympic Games (Atlanta)
1996-07-24 Tarver outpointed (5-2) Dmitriy Vybornov (Russia). Both soutpaw counter-punchers, at the start of 3rd round Tarver was ahead 3-2. A day before the fight Tarver was seven pounds above the 178 pounds limit.
1996-07-28 Tarver got to quarterfinals by KO1 of David Kowah (Sierra Leone).
1996-07-31 Tarver got to semifinal by stopping Enrique Flores (Puerto Rico) 1:06 before the end of the 3rd round. Tarver was ahead 3-1 after 1st round, scored one or two (sources differ) standing KD's, and two more standing KD's in the 3rd round after which the bout was stopped. Tarver was ahead 18-3 at the time, although his trainer tricked him before the start of the final round by telling him he was only one point ahead, the real score was 13-2.
1996-08-02 Tarver loses (15-9) in semifinal to Vassily Jirov. At the middle of the 2nd round the score was 4-4, but then Tarver abandoned his mobile style and began to slug it out, losing the round 9-8 and exhausting himself.


Commongly accepted amateur record of Antonio Tarver is 158-8, but as can be seen from the above data, he had 6 losses in 1993 already (including one loss to Roy Jones Jr in 1982 Sunshine State Games finals), and has lost at least 6 times since then, so his record should contain at least 12 losses.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Tyson was 88-2. Both losses coming to Henry Tillman, who he KO'd in the first round in the pro's.


Tyson lost to Al Evans and Killem Odum as an amateur too.

[My dinner with Conteh]

I think Ray Robinson was 85-0 with 69 KOs or something.

Mike Tyson didn't have that many official amateur fights. Something like 24-3. I think he may have fought in a lot of smokers though.


Robinson had an amateur loss it's bene reported, maybe two.

[Senya13]

One version of Tyson's amateur record was printed in Reg Gutteridge and Normal Giller's book 'For whom the bell tolls':

1981
Region I Junior Olympics at Queens, New York.
unknown opponent W-RSC1 (at +178 lb)

National Junior Olympics at Colorado Springs
Jesus Esparza W-RSC1
Randy Wesley W-RSC1
Joe Cortez W-RSC1 Won +178 lb Title.


1982
Junior Olympics Regionals at Syracuse
Tito Llanes W-RSC1 (at +178 lb)

National Junior Olympics at Colorado Springs
Jonathan Littles W-RSC2
Dan Cozad W-RSC1
Kelton Brown W-RET1 Won +178 lb Title.

Region I USA/ABF Tournament at Boston
Kilbert Pierce W-PTS3 (at +201 lb)

US Amateur Championships at Indianapolis
Al Evans L-RSC3 (at +201 lb)


1983
Western Massachusetts Golden Gloves at Holyoke
Jimmy Johnson W-KO1 (at +201 lb)

New England Golden Gloves at Lowell
Jim Rayborn W-PTS3 Won +201 lb Title.

New York State Golden Gloves at Utica
Walkover in finals at +201 lb.

National Golden Gloves Championships at St. Louis
Ronald Williams W-RSC1
Andrew Stokes W-RSC3
Mike Bardwell W-RSC1
****** Thompson W-PTS3
March Craig Payne L-PTS3 (at +201 lb)-Finals.

Ohio State Fair at Columbus
Jeff Goff W-KO1
Olian Alexander walkover Won 201 lb Title.

US Junior Amateur Championships at Colorado Springs
David Yonko W-RSC1
Mark Scott W-RSC1 Won +201 lb Tide.

USA vs. West Germany International at Lake Placid
September 16 - Peter Geier W-RET1

New England Amateur Championships at Lake Placid
October 22 - unknown opponent WON (at +201 lb)

US Amateur Championships at Colorado Springs
November - Kimmuel Odom L-DISQ2 (at+201 lb)


1984
National Golden Gloves Championships at St. Louis
April - Roger Pepel WON
April - Derek Isaman WON
April - Johnny Williams W-RSC1
April - Richard Johnson W-RSC3
April 21 - Jonathan Littles W-RSC1 Won 201 lb Title.

US Olympic Trials at Fort Worth
June - unknown opponent W-PTS3
June - Henry Milligan W-RSC2
June 10 - Henry Tillman L-PTS3 (at 201 lb) Final

US Olympic Box-Offs at Las Vegas
July 7 - Henry Tillman L-PTS3

Empire State Games at Syracuse
August 18 - Winston Benton W-RSC Won 201 lb Title

US Junior Amateur Championships at Lake Placid
August 23 - Kelton Brown W-RSC1 Won 201 lb Title

International Tournament in Tampere, Finland
September - Hakan Brock WON +201 lb Title

[Bigcat]

Tyson was 88-2. Both losses coming to Henry Tillman, who he KO'd in the first round in the pro's.

Mike was beaten by Al chico Evans in a golden gloves fight by stoppage when he was 16.

Someone said he had not boxed many fights and did not do that much as an amateur , He won so many Nationals and Jr Olympic titles, Mike had a very decorated Ame career..

[DamonD]

Didn't Michael Bentt have a good amateur record or something? Thought he won three or four Golden Gloves tournaments.

I wouldn't mind knowing Jorge Luis Gonzalez's record either...he only had a handful of losses and a lot of wins.

Senya13, great lists!

[DamonD]

Re - Tyson's amateur losses. This is the exact info I have :

November 1981 - Lost PTS3 to Ernie Bennet (USA) in Rhode Island, USA
December 12th 1982 - Lost TKO3 to Al Evans (USA) in Binghampton, USA (AAU Championships)
March 26th 1983 - Lost PTS3 to Craig Payne (USA) in Alburquerque, USA (Golden Gloves Final)
December 10th 1983 - Lost DQ2 to Kimmuel Odum (USA) in Colorado Springs, USA (AAU Championships)
June 10th 1984 - Lost PTS3 to Henry Tillman (USA) in Fort Worth, USA (US Olympic Trials)
July 7th 1984 - Lost PTS3 to Henry Tillman (USA) in Las Vegas, USA (US Olympic Trials Box-Off)

[ChrisPontius]

December 10th 1983 - Lost DQ2 to Kimmuel Odum (USA) in Colorado Springs, USA (AAU Championships)


Any information on the nature of that disqualification?

[My dinner with Conteh]

Any information on the nature of that disqualification?


Mike tried to stick his finger up Odum's arse. Probably. :good

[DamonD]

Weird one, actually.

Allegedly, Odum was very negative and passive in the bout, to the point where Tyson got so angry he turned his back in disgust and simply walked out of the bout in fury, claiming Odum didn't want to fight.

That's one way to get a win against Mike, I guess!

[Bill1234]

Larry Holmes was 19-3. He lost to Nick Wells by KO twice, and was DQ'd in the olympics for clinching.

I think Rocky Marciano was like 23-4 or 19-4. I know he was DQ'd for kneeing someone in the stomach, and I know he lost a disputed (How disputed an amerature fight can get) decision to someone else.

[Nemesis]

Larry Holmes was 19-3. He lost to Nick Wells by KO twice, and was DQ'd in the olympics for clinching.

I think Rocky Marciano was like 23-4 or 19-4. I know he was DQ'd for kneeing someone in the stomach, and I know he lost a disputed (How disputed an amerature fight can get) decision to someone else.

coley wallace...the next Joe Louis

[DamonD]

I think Rocky Marciano was like 23-4 or 19-4. I know he was DQ'd for kneeing someone in the stomach
Buh...?
That's a novel one. Certainly can't say I've seen that one before...you'd think it would be too much effort to do that while a elbow or headbutt would do.

[ChrisPontius]

I read he kneed the guy in the groin, actually.

[nick wells jr]

nick wells 185-18 110kos 72kos rd 1 amateur

[OLD FOGEY]

Robinson had an amateur loss it's bene reported, maybe two.

I didn't want to raise the issue, as I don't have any source, but through the fifties and sixties, it was always mentioned that Ezzard Charles had the best amateur record, and had been undefeated in 40 bouts. Robinson was never mentioned as undefeated until the last 15 years or so, but I do not know of a specific loss, myself.

Whenever Billy Graham appeared on TV as a boxer or referee, it was mentioned that he beat Robinson as an amateur while Robinson was still using the name Walker Smith. If it wasn't true, I'm surprised Robinson never publicly challenged it.

[ron u.k.]

Buh...?
That's a novel one. Certainly can't say I've seen that one before...you'd think it would be too much effort to do that while a elbow or headbutt would do.it's said that rocky kneed don cockell in the groin in their world title bout,don't know if it's a myth but he certainly did everything else to poor don in that fight!

[Sakura]

Wladimir Klitschko:
Started boxing at the age of 13.

Titles won in the amateur ring:
Champion of the Ukraine (-91kg): 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996
Champion of Europe among juniors (1993).
Champion of the 1st World Military Games (-91kg): 1996
Runner-up European Championship (-91kg): 1996
Gold Medal in the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games (+91kg)
Amateur record: 140 fights, 134 wins, 65 KO's.

Record: Amateur:

1993: E.C. Juniors Salonique Heavyweight: 1°
+ Valentin Savescu (Rou) kot 2
+ Serguei Lopatinski (Rus) points

1994: W.C. Juniors Istanbul Heavyweight: 2°
+ Constantin Onotrei (Rou) points
+ Rustan Tuzsenchanov (Kaz) points
+ Andrei Kambarov (Rus) points
- Michel Lopez (Cub) points

1995: W.C. Berlin Heavyweight:
+ Igor Kschinin (Rus) ko 2
+ Bezvoda (R.Tch) points
- Luan Krasniqi (All) points
1995: W.C. Military Roma Heavyweight: 1°
+ Song-Geoi Jang (Cor.N) points
+ Igor Kschinin (Rus) kot 2
+ Sinan Samilsan (Tur) points
+ Luan Krasniqi (All) points
1995: Tournoi Liverpool Super-Heavyweight: 1°
+ Rod Allen (Angl) points
+ Jean-Francois Bergeron (Can) points
+ Paolo Vidoz (Ita) disq.2

1996: E.C. Vejle Super-Heavyweight: 2°
+ Sean Murphy (Irl) disq.2
+ Adaliat Mamedov (Aze) kot 3
+ Attila Levin (Sue) points
- Alexei Lezin (Rus) points

1996: Olympic Games Atlanta Super-Heavyweight: 1°
+ Lawrence Clay-Bey (E-U) points
+ Attila Levin (Sue) kot 1
+ Alexei Lezin (Rus) points
+ Paea Wolfgramm (Ton) points

[brownpimp88]

if sugar ray leonard was 145-5, then how many times did he fight in a year cuz if i remember correctly, he was only 20 when he turned pro.

[ThinBlack]

if sugar ray leonard was 145-5, then how many times did he fight in a year cuz if i remember correctly, he was only 20 when he turned pro.

That would be an interesting point, since I've also seen Howard Davis Jr's record at 125-5, and Michael Dokes at 147-7

[Axl Rose]

Anyone know where i can see Lennox Lewis amatuer record?

How many of hes amateur boats has been recorded? I have about 10 of hes amateur fights, would like to see a few of the fights that was mentioned in this thread,.

[trampie]

Joe Calzaghe won four schoolboy ABA titles followed by three consecutive senior ABA titles {Welter, light-middle, middleweight} becoming only the second man ever in about a hundred years to achieve such a feet.
Calzaghe's record was something like 118 -2, losing two controversial decisions one to a fellow Welshman and one to a Romanian.
Joe didnt go to the Olympics because of his showboating, as the authorities thought it was disrespectful in the amateur game and not the done thing.

[Kalasinn]

Re - Tyson's amateur losses. This is the exact info I have :
December 12th 1982 - Lost TKO3 to Al Evans (USA) in Binghampton, USA (AAU Championships)


Do you have any further information on this loss?

Was Tyson still standing?

Was it a premature stoppage, like Lewis-Bowe?

[turpinr]

randy turpin 95-5
rocky marciano 8-4

[Il Duce]

Amos Johnson,,,,,,,,,,,,Ohio Light Heavyweight
63-2 Amateur Record

1959 at age 20.

Beat Cassius Clay in Louisville, Kentucky
1959 Pan-Am Games Trials
Won 178 lb. Light Heavyweight Championship @ 1959 Pan Am Games, in Chicago, September 1959.

A U.S. Marine in 1957/1958/1959

Most likely would have been the United States representative at the 1960 Olympics,
for 178 lb. Light Heavyweight.

But had to turn Pro in 1959, after the September Pan Am games,,,,because he needed money.

[GPater11093]

Just read a nice article on Terry Downes career set in the most recent IBRO journal, here is the bare bones.

The article was by Rob Snell

Won Welterweight undisputed All services Championship (he was a US Marine), described as 'the best boxer to come out of Great Britain and won unanimous entry into Olympic tryouts.'

1st Olympic test - won all 4 bouts in two days in Eastern Regional Tryouts. Beating Bobby Lovall and Mike Loucas, in his division was Bob Rigolosi (NCAA Welterweight champion) and Bill Pickett (National AAU Champion)

Also Downes beat Wes Santee (who at the time was also the fastest miler in the US), KO'd Manuel Mays in 84 seconds. TKO's Howard Moore in r rounds.

During 4 year stay compiled record of 63 wins in 67 bouts, beating the long reigning 'invincible' All Services Champion Rudy Sawyer.

A loss was against Larry Barret.

All in all a pretty good amatuer record.

[Il Duce]

Just read a nice article on Terry Downes career set in the most recent IBRO journal, here is the bare bones.

The article was by Rob Snell

Won Welterweight undisputed All services Championship (he was a US Marine), described as 'the best boxer to come out of Great Britain and won unanimous entry into Olympic tryouts.'

1st Olympic test - won all 4 bouts in two days in Eastern Regional Tryouts. Beating Bobby Lovall and Mike Loucas, in his division was Bob Rigolosi (NCAA Welterweight champion) and Bill Pickett (National AAU Champion)

Also Downes beat Wes Santee (who at the time was also the fastest miler in the US), KO'd Manuel Mays in 84 seconds. TKO's Howard Moore in r rounds.

During 4 year stay compiled record of 63 wins in 67 bouts, beating the long reigning 'invincible' All Services Champion Rudy Sawyer.

A loss was against Larry Barret.

All in all a pretty good amatuer record.

Terry Downes,,Boston Middleweight,,,,,

Also had the 'greatest quote' from the Ali-Liston II Fight in Maine.
When asked about the punch,,,,,
Terry replied, 'I've hit my daughter harder'

[turpinr]

Just read a nice article on Terry Downes career set in the most recent IBRO journal, here is the bare bones.

The article was by Rob Snell

Won Welterweight undisputed All services Championship (he was a US Marine), described as 'the best boxer to come out of Great Britain and won unanimous entry into Olympic tryouts.'

1st Olympic test - won all 4 bouts in two days in Eastern Regional Tryouts. Beating Bobby Lovall and Mike Loucas, in his division was Bob Rigolosi (NCAA Welterweight champion) and Bill Pickett (National AAU Champion)

Also Downes beat Wes Santee (who at the time was also the fastest miler in the US), KO'd Manuel Mays in 84 seconds. TKO's Howard Moore in r rounds.

During 4 year stay compiled record of 63 wins in 67 bouts, beating the long reigning 'invincible' All Services Champion Rudy Sawyer.

A loss was against Larry Barret.

All in all a pretty good amatuer record.i've got downes biography.my bleedin' hooter was his catchphrase
when he was training for the world title in 61' against pender randy turpin dropped him with a body punch

[johnmaff36]

I didn't want to raise the issue, as I don't have any source, but through the fifties and sixties, it was always mentioned that Ezzard Charles had the best amateur record, and had been undefeated in 40 bouts. Robinson was never mentioned as undefeated until the last 15 years or so, but I do not know of a specific loss, myself.

Whenever Billy Graham appeared on TV as a boxer or referee, it was mentioned that he beat Robinson as an amateur while Robinson was still using the name Walker Smith. If it wasn't true, I'm surprised Robinson never publicly challenged it.
I have read on this forum that he was beat as an amateur yet in the video 'Pound for Pound' from roughly 30yrs back, SRR himself claims that he had something like 165 fights (im not sure of the exact figure but its in this area) Am and Pro, before he lost the first time

[Unforgiven]

Tony Canzoneri has 104 or 105 amateur fights. I don't know the W-L-D numbers.
He started as an amateur aged 12.
He turned pro at 16.

[johnmaff36]

Amos Johnson,,,,,,,,,,,,Ohio Light Heavyweight
63-2 Amateur Record

1959 at age 20.

Beat Cassius Clay in Louisville, Kentucky
1959 Pan-Am Games Trials
Won 178 lb. Light Heavyweight Championship @ 1959 Pan Am Games, in Chicago, September 1959.

A U.S. Marine in 1957/1958/1959

Most likely would have been the United States representative at the 1960 Olympics,
for 178 lb. Light Heavyweight.

But had to turn Pro in 1959, after the September Pan Am games,,,,because he needed money.
Every opportunity eh Il Duce?

[johnmaff36]

Terry Downes,,Boston Middleweight,,,,,

Also had the 'greatest quote' from the Ali-Liston II Fight in Maine.
When asked about the punch,,,,,
Terry replied, 'I've hit my daughter harder'
Again, every opportunity. You really have a hard-on for this guy:lol:

[Il Duce]

Again, every opportunity. You really have a hard-on for this guy:lol:

C'mon,,,,,,,,,JM,,,,,That was a great quote.

How the hell is that a Knock on Mr. Wonderful,,,,,,,,,,:D

Terry Downes quote = a Hard-on for Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,
How the 'hell' did you come up with that.

[ThinBlack]

Tony Tubbs was 240-13.

[Il Duce]

Cassius Clay had some big wins in the amateurs;


Who defeated him;
Kent Green
Amos Johnson
Mel Turnbow ?

[Meast]

I think SRR was 85-1 or 84-1

[El Bujia]

C'mon,,,,,,,,,JM,,,,,That was a great quote.

How the hell is that a Knock on Mr. Wonderful,,,,,,,,,,:D

Terry Downes quote = a Hard-on for Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,
How the 'hell' did you come up with that.

Very next post:

Cassius Clay had some big wins in the amateurs;


Who defeated him;
Kent Green
Amos Johnson
Mel Turnbow ? :lol:

[Il Duce]

The Young Cassius Clay did lose,,,,,,,,

Feb. 1955,,,,,,,L Dec,, James Davis
July 1955,,,,,,,,L Dec,, John Hampton
June 1957,,,,,,,L Dec,, Donnie Hall
July 1957,,,,,,,,L KO 1, Terry Hodge
Aug. 1957,,,,,,,L Dec,, Jimmy Ellis
Mar. 1958,,,,,,,L KO 2, Kent Green
May 1959,,,,,,,,L Dec,, Amos Johnson
April 1960,,,,,,,L Dec,, Percy Price

Note; Mel Turnbow claims he split '2' bouts with Cassius Clay in 1960, when both entered a
Heavyweight Tournament 178+ lbs.

[Il Duce]

ABC,

The 1959 Pan Am Games were held in Chicago, 8/27/59 thru 9/7/59

Middleweight
Abrao de Souza (Brazil) defeated Bob Foster (USA)

Light Heavyweight
Amos Johnson (USA) defeated Rafael Gargiulo (Argentina)

Heavyweight
Allen Hudson (USA) defeated Eduardo Corletti (Argentina)

Cassius Clay stayed home.

The general feeling throughout the USA Amateur Boxing Team, was that if
Amos Johnson did not have to go back into the military, it would have been
him that went to Rome on the U.S. Olympic Boxing Team, and not Mr. Clay.

Amos was without a doubt, was the best 178 lb. Amateur in 1959.

[ecto55]

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[Briscoe]

Who were the seven that defeated Ali?

I know one of them was Amos Johnson. It was his southpaw style that stymied Ali. Then again, he was quite young then and Amos was basically a man fighting children.

[Briscoe]

Anybody know Bernard "Superbad" Mays am record? I keep seeing that he was the most talented individual that Emmanuel Steward trained. In addition to saying Mays was similar to Sugar Ray Robinson in ability.

I read this in Hit Man by Brian & Damien Hughes.

edit: The more I read Hit Man the less I like about it. Seriously, first line that pissed me off? "Thomas Hearns was born black and poor". Quite aware of his race. COming from poverty, yes that's a story. Over coming the odds, yes that's a story. Being black? Not really a story outside of the potential injustices suffered, yet the book doesn't really go the "race route" after that singular line. Silly stuff. Also, Leonard-Hearns I was possibly the most boring explanation of an amazing fight I've ever read.

[Il Duce]

Amos Johnson lumped up Cassius Clay pretty good in the Eliminator for the
U.S.A. Light Heavyweight representative at the 1959 Pan Am Games.

Amos claimed that Cassius avoided him at all costs in 1959.

[Titan1]

Donald Curry was like 400-4 or 400-6 or something.