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TIGEREDGE
10-30-2009, 06:37 PM
for me it was julio cesar chavez. no one who got beat by him at his peak was the same ever again
The Wanderer
10-30-2009, 08:44 PM
Julio was the first name that came to mind.I think his steady accumulation of punishment was more damaging than an explosive, quick KO artist, because guys who went the distance with him or anything close to it soaked up a lot of extra punishment that way.
TheGreatA
10-30-2009, 08:46 PM
Rocky Marciano ended Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis, Rex Layne, Jersey Joe Walcott, Roland LaStarza, Don Cockell, Carmine Vingo, Lee Savold, etc.

Of course you could say that some of them were close the end of their boxing careers either way but still...
The Wanderer
10-30-2009, 08:51 PM
Rocky Marciano ended Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis, Rex Layne, Jersey Joe Walcott, Roland LaStarza, Don Cockell, Carmine Vingo, Lee Savold, etc.

Of course you could say that some of them were close the their end of their boxing careers either way but still...

It's a fair point though, whether they were long in the tooth or not some of those guys never fought again, and those that did were certainly not the same. Archie Moore took a bit of a battering from Marciano too.
TheGreatA
10-30-2009, 08:57 PM
It's a fair point though, whether they were long in the tooth or not some of those guys never fought again, and those that did were certainly not the same. Archie Moore took a bit of a battering from Marciano too.

Moore took a beating but he was able to continue his career for nearly 10 years at a high level. Most of the people I listed were pretty much done.

Rex Layne scored a controversial win Charles after the KO loss to Rocky but he lost most of his fights other than that.

Charles was shot when he had looked solid until the Marciano fights.

Vingo was put in coma and never fought again.

Cockell, LaStarza hardly won a fight afterwards.

Louis, Walcott and Savold were just old I'd say but the beatings Rocky gave to them certainly didn't give them any help.

I would say that the likes of Chavez and Marciano often do the most damage to fighters' careers.
Russell
10-30-2009, 09:28 PM
Felix Trinidad.

Antonio Margarito, time will only tell there though.
zadfrak
10-31-2009, 05:24 AM
Bob Foster. The guy didn't just win, he ruined fighters. And he caused a lot of physical damage to guys in there.
Robot16
10-31-2009, 05:37 AM
Bernard Hopkins
thejokerswild
10-31-2009, 09:56 AM
Hate to sound newbian but anyone think Manny Pacquaio belongs here?

Smashed the careers of Barerra, Morales, Hatton, De La Hoya to name a few in recent memory.
lefthook89
10-31-2009, 10:08 AM
tyson ended spinks who was in young and in his prime, i think this career killer destroyed all in my opinion.
TheGreatA
10-31-2009, 10:17 AM
tyson ended spinks who was in young and in his prime, i think this career killer destroyed all in my opinion.

32, having fought just once in the past 2 years. Spinks would've ended his career earlier if not for Tyson and the huge payday he got from fighting him.
Robot16
10-31-2009, 10:24 AM
Hate to sound newbian but anyone think Manny Pacquaio belongs here?

Smashed the careers of Barerra, Morales, Hatton, De La Hoya to name a few in recent memory.


In my opinion he is not.

Just for the fact look at all the wars barerra and morales were in before the fights with pacquiao and look at the stage of their careers when they fought him.

All of the 4 mentioned were in their late stage of their careers anyways.
Wiirdo
10-31-2009, 11:17 AM
B-Hop for sure.

Pavlik, Trinidad etc. were destroyed.
TIGEREDGE
10-31-2009, 12:12 PM
B-Hop for sure.

Pavlik, Trinidad etc. were destroyed.


its yet to be established whether pavlik is destroyed. trinidad was still a great force on the scne. hopkins style was wrong for him

meldrick taylor and a host of other were not 30% of there best after meating jcc
jont
10-31-2009, 12:53 PM
I think that Tyson destroyed the careers of Spinks, Tucker, Thomas, Biggs, Ruddock, Alex Stewart for sure....some of these guys had losses already but the beating he put on some fo these guys had to have changed their minds about their future in the divisions with Tyson being around for a long time in the coming years...
red cobra
10-31-2009, 12:55 PM
Chavez quicly comes to mind, and even if I didn't read anybody's post's saying the same thing. He put terrible hurt on guys like Taylor, Haugen, Rosario, Camacho, etc., and it probably would have been better for these guys if Chavez had mor of a merciful, one-punch delivery system, like a Bob Foster, than the cruel, debilitating attack that he had.
Thread Stealer
10-31-2009, 06:50 PM
its yet to be established whether pavlik is destroyed. trinidad was still a great force on the scne. hopkins style was wrong for him

meldrick taylor and a host of other were not 30% of there best after meating jcc

That's an exaggeration.

He was still a very good fighter for a little while, even if not 100%.
Mordechai
10-31-2009, 08:09 PM
i don't compare the klitschko to chavez. but the way how they both beat their opponents is disgusting. they really destroy their opponents for 10 rounds and beat the shit out of them. and they all disappear after their fight against the brothers
Robot16
10-31-2009, 08:09 PM
B-Hop for sure.

Pavlik, Trinidad etc. were destroyed.

Add Joe Lipsey
Bummy Davis
10-31-2009, 08:44 PM
Moore took a beating but he was able to continue his career for nearly 10 years at a high level. Most of the people I listed were pretty much done.

Rex Layne scored a controversial win Charles after the KO loss to Rocky but he lost most of his fights other than that.

Charles was shot when he had looked solid until the Marciano fights.

Vingo was put in coma and never fought again.

Cockell, LaStarza hardly won a fight afterwards.

Louis, Walcott and Savold were just old I'd say but the beatings Rocky gave to them certainly didn't give them any help.

I would say that the likes of Chavez and Marciano often do the most damage to fighters' careers.


I think Marciano is up there for a brutal battle of attrition and he did ruin many a career, He set Archie back some with that draining beatdown but Archie went on to fight Ali 8 years later and had a 38-4-2 record after Rocky but was on an almost 50 bout win streak leading to Marciano
Blood Green
10-31-2009, 09:22 PM
Tyson and cocaine were not a good mix for the careers of eighties heavies
Genesis
11-01-2009, 12:23 PM
In 71, was Frazier really the same after fighting Ali despite winning?

in 74, was Foreman the same after fighting Ali?

I wouldn't say Ali destroyed their careers, but these 2 guys were never the same again.
TheGreatA
11-01-2009, 12:42 PM
In 71, was Frazier really the same after fighting Ali despite winning?

in 74, was Foreman the same after fighting Ali?

I wouldn't say Ali destroyed their careers, but these 2 guys were never the same again.

He did destroy the career and reputation of Sonny Liston. Liston continued fighting but no one wanted any part of him.

Ernie Terrell wasn't the same after the humiliating 15 round decision loss ("What's my name?"). He made a decent career comeback in the 1970's but that was about it.

Old Archie was finished off by a young Cassius. Now Moore was ancient but he was good enough to have gone to a disputed draw with future LHW champ Willie Pastrano just months before that bout.