I hope Kessler and Taylor win..

[nervousxtian]

..for no other reason than to stop all the stupid nuthugging Calzaghe posts and the Jermain hater posts.


That's all.

[Toopretty]

..for no other reason than to stop all the stupid nuthugging Calzaghe posts and the Jermain hater posts.


That's all.

Amsterdam might be harsh. But he is correct. Taylor makes too many mistakes to beat Pavlik and all the ones that would make Pavlik put him down. Kessler will get beat up. I mean its just the way it is.

[Amsterdam]

It's likely that Taylor would be a good quick tune up for Kessler after he gets annihilated against Calzaghe, Taylor has virtually no chance against a fighter the class of Kessler and is a name.

Tell you what, Pavlik would be a good tune up for Kessler also, even though he will be the undisputed champ moving up.:yep

But watch the awe when these two B level fighters in Pavlik and Taylor clash and for the one with the power and the style advantage to prevail, only to be massively overrated until he gets in the ring with a true elite and gets annihilated, then the peasant boxing fans will be surprised at every turn, when all is blatant and predictable.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam might be harsh. But he is correct. Taylor makes too many mistakes to beat Pavlik and all the ones that would make Pavlik put him down. Kessler will get beat up. I mean its just the way it is.

But the difference is that Kessler is a true elite A class fighter, Taylor and Pavlik are both sloppier, lack the timing, the speed and the defence of Kessler, yet not many people notice these evident factors when it is BLATANTLY obvious.

Kessler will get beat up and I am glad the fight was made instead of Jermain Taylor for Calzaghe. Because Calzaghe would dispose of Taylor in 5 rounds and get no credit, Calzaghe - Kessler is a true A class fight and it will benefit his legacy in the long run when Kessler continue's to win at the top class level.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam might be harsh. But he is correct. Taylor makes too many mistakes to beat Pavlik and all the ones that would make Pavlik put him down. Kessler will get beat up. I mean its just the way it is.

But the difference is that Kessler is a true elite A class fighter, Taylor and Pavlik are both sloppier, lack the timing, the speed and the defence of Kessler, yet not many people notice these evident factors when it is BLATANTLY obvious.

Kessler will get beat up and I am glad the fight was made instead of Jermain Taylor for Calzaghe. Because Calzaghe would dispose of Taylor in 5 rounds and get no credit, Calzaghe - Kessler is a true A class fight and it will benefit his legacy in the long run when Kessler continue's to win at the top class level.

[DanePugilist]

I hope for Kessler and Pavlik. Then I got a whole year to come up with a suiting avatar for Blocky. By then I will be one with photoshop, I reckon.

[lenzo]

Only time will tell. I think Kessler will do better than most people think, and I missed the Pavlik last fight, bummer, but I hear good things about him. I venture to guess Joe will sneak out a close UD and I believe Taylor will get by Pavlik easier than most of his recent fights.
I'll keep my wallet safe on both of these.

[DanePugilist]

But the difference is that Kessler is a true elite A class fighter, Taylor and Pavlik are both sloppier, lack the timing, the speed and the defence of Kessler, yet not many people notice these evident factors when it is BLATANTLY obvious.

Kessler will get beat up and I am glad the fight was made instead of Jermain Taylor for Calzaghe. Because Calzaghe would dispose of Taylor in 5 rounds and get no credit, Calzaghe - Kessler is a true A class fight and it will benefit his legacy in the long run when Kessler continue's to win at the top class level.Kessler is a almost prime true elite fighter, so he can't be annihilated. Calzaghe is likewise an elite fighter, so I reckon he will survive 12 rounds - though his hands won't.

[Amsterdam]

Kessler is a almost prime true elite fighter, so he can't be annihilated. Calzaghe is likewise an elite fighter, so I reckon he will survive 12 rounds - though his hands won't.

Kessler is a true elite already. You do not lose only 4-5 rounds out of 39 bouts if you are not, specifically the last 10 have been against respectable competition.

But these fools won't understand that a 120-108 over Andrade means more than a 116-112 over little Kassim Ouma.

And Kessler will get annihilated, Calzaghe is all wrong for him, he'll only make it 12 if Calzaghe breaks his hand too early, but Calzaghe will still use it enough to tally up damage.

[nervousxtian]

How is Kessler elite??

Honestly, you got to be fucking kidding me.


Beyer, Mundine, Lucas, and Andrande don't equal elite quite yet.

He beats Calzaghe, then we can talk elite.. not until then. Until then he is not truly proven.

You only call Kessler elite to be able to talk up Joe C if he beats him, but by your own rhetoric, Kessler can't be considered elite, because you have Calazghe dominating him.

You can't have it both ways dipshit.

[Amsterdam]

How is Kessler elite??

Honestly, you got to be fucking kidding me.

See Dane Pug? This is the shit that I go on about all the time.

Jermain Taylor is an 'elite' in this example's mind, but not Kessler, when film evidence blatantly showcases 2 different levels of fighters against comparable opposition when you take in the fact on how fights are won and how fighters struggle with who.

3 competitive bouts with 'set' P4P names means more than obliterating/shutting out top 10 guys more impressively than the first does, even though the first got his oppurtunity to fight the names, meanwhile the first example also struggles with guys that true elite's in his weight class would starch with ease, we have a vast area of comparison.

As I said, 120-108 over Andrade means more than 116-112 against Ouma. Specifically when we have film to compare styles and intangibles and to where most intelligent analysts couldn't see Jermain Taylor giving Andrade 5 rounds, given Andrade's pressure and workrate and relentlessness, 3 factors that disrupt Taylor immensely.

But being competitive with a 40+ fighter who is ranked P4P, and a LMW who has no impressive work at MW, but who is admittedly rightfully ranked P4P is superior to wiping the division clean in these eyes and all because they don't know how to analyse for 1 and the second would be they know not much about international fighters and believe whatever they are fed.

This example's post is a reflection of why the best matches are never made.

[nervousxtian]

I never called Jermain elite... because he's not.

Feel free to find where I claimed that.

You have no respect for anyone on Taylors record, but fail to hold Joe Calzaghe or Mikkel Kessler to the same standard you hold Jermain. Because you wouldn't like the results if you did...

[Amsterdam]

How is Kessler elite??

Honestly, you got to be fucking kidding me.


Beyer, Mundine, Lucas, and Andrande don't equal elite quite yet.

He beats Calzaghe, then we can talk elite.. not until then. Until then he is not truly proven.

You only call Kessler elite to be able to talk up Joe C if he beats him, but by your own rhetoric, Kessler can't be considered elite, because you have Calazghe dominating him.

You can't have it both ways dipshit.

Guys who get dominated cannot be elite?

And Kessler is proven, he has showcased the necessary ability to be considered elite and has done so against a wide variety of styles, unlike Taylor, who has shown terrible, terrible flaws.

How about this - Taylor wouldn't give Calzaghe but 4-5 rounds, Kessler will last at least 9 or 10.

Is Taylor elite?:yep

How about Winky and Hopkins for that matter in their current state? Being as Taylor gave them both a lot of problems?

[Amsterdam]

I never called Jermain elite... because he's not.

Feel free to find where I claimed that.

Is Taylor deserving of a P4P ranking?

Who is 'elite' in your mind, because you obviously lack the analysation skills to be impressed by Mikkel Kessler, who I'd talk up regardless of who he was fighting next just because he's highly underrated and is of the highest class in boxing.

Is Bernard Hopkins elite at this point? If so, two losses to Taylor, who is not elite to you would indicate something. More so, you'd pick Hopkins over Calzaghe, who you admit is an elite, yet he could not defeat Taylor.

Make your mind up.

[DanePugilist]

Kessler is a true elite already. You do not lose only 4-5 rounds out of 39 bouts if you are not, specifically the last 10 have been against respectable competition.

But these fools won't understand that a 120-108 over Andrade means more than a 116-112 over little Kassim Ouma.

And Kessler will get annihilated, Calzaghe is all wrong for him, he'll only make it 12 if Calzaghe breaks his hand too early, but Calzaghe will still use it enough to tally up damage.You know I don't disagree with the first part and 2nd part, the third one though - All I can say is this: Kessler is prepared... and it will suffice.

[lenzo]

Calzaghe piter pats with his fragile hands, Kessler may walk right through him.
I give credit to Taylor for winning against Bhop and Winky, but I disagreed with all the scorecards. Taylor got lucky both times. He hasn't really bested anyone in a few years, no blowouts so he's struggling to hold onto his belt.

[nervousxtian]

Bernard was elite, but he got old, and just because you beat a guy who was elite doesn't in turn make you elite. If JT would of beat Hopkins and Winky convincingly then he'd be considered elite, but he didn't, but he's close, but still a big win away.

Same with Kessler, and I would call Joe C elite at this point on the fact of longevity, but I'd call him fading elite, much like Hopkins was.

Other elite guys out there now:

Vasquez, Maywhether, Calderon, Pacman, Cotto, Mosley, Juan Diaz, and a few others.. but there is truly only a handful of elite guys across all the divisons.

[Amsterdam]

You know I don't disagree with the first part and 2nd part, the third one though - All I can say is this: Kessler is prepared... and it will suffice.

Ah, analysation, best set for a thread that wasn't started by a certain Nervous Christian.:yep

[tays001]

It's likely that Taylor would be a good quick tune up for Kessler after he gets annihilated against Calzaghe, Taylor has virtually no chance against a fighter the class of Kessler and is a name.

Tell you what, Pavlik would be a good tune up for Kessler also, even though he will be the undisputed champ moving up.:yep

But watch the awe when these two B level fighters in Pavlik and Taylor clash and for the one with the power and the style advantage to prevail, only to be massively overrated until he gets in the ring with a true elite and gets annihilated, then the peasant boxing fans will be surprised at every turn, when all is blatant and predictable.

yeah JC would beat them bad

[Grabonator]

But these fools won't understand that a 120-108 over Andrade means more than a 116-112 over little Kassim Ouma.



Andrade might be stronger than Ouma, but Ouma is much faster and more skilled, harder to outbox. Andrade is not good at all.

[lillarry]

..for no other reason than to stop all the stupid nuthugging Calzaghe posts and the Jermain hater posts.


That's all.


:amen

[Alo2006]

Kessler and Taylor will win. I'm sticking to my story :yep :bbb

[nervousxtian]

On the B-Hop over Calzaghe fight? I think it'd be a much tougher fight for Calzaghe then he or you'd anticipate. Hopkins is way craftier than Joe, and he'd test Joe's stamina, and make Joe miss a lot and of course make it dirty.

I could see the style being all wrong for Joe. Again styles make fights, but then again Joe could win against Hopkins as well, because again Hopkins is old, but Joe ain't the same guy he was 5 years ago either.

As far as Taylor against Joe? I'm not sure anymore, I'm just not convinced that Taylor is terrible, I think he's good, but I'm with you in that he needs a big definitive win, and he hasn't had one in awhile, but I had him winning all those fights.

I'm just not convinced that Pavlik is the guy who can beat Taylor, as Pavlik has been very protected and has been hurt himself, and can be very very raw at times.

I see Taylor winning the fight, but would I be completely surprised if he lost? No.

[DanePugilist]

See Dane Pug? This is the shit that I go on about all the time.

Jermain Taylor is an 'elite' in this example's mind, but not Kessler, when film evidence blatantly showcases 2 different levels of fighters against comparable opposition when you take in the fact on how fights are won and how fighters struggle with who.

3 competitive bouts with 'set' P4P names means more than obliterating/shutting out top 10 guys more impressively than the first does, even though the first got his oppurtunity to fight the names, meanwhile the first example also struggles with guys that true elite's in his weight class would starch with ease, we have a vast area of comparison.

As I said, 120-108 over Andrade means more than 116-112 against Ouma. Specifically when we have film to compare styles and intangibles and to where most intelligent analysts couldn't see Jermain Taylor giving Andrade 5 rounds, given Andrade's pressure and workrate and relentlessness, 3 factors that disrupt Taylor immensely.

But being competitive with a 40+ fighter who is ranked P4P, and a LMW who has no impressive work at MW, but who is admittedly rightfully ranked P4P is superior to wiping the division clean in these eyes and all because they don't know how to analyse for 1 and the second would be they know not much about international fighters and believe whatever they are fed.

This example's post is a reflection of why the best matches are never made.Yes, we are on the same page, Amsterdam, but the hordes of the unenlightened keep on coming...

[Grabonator]

BTW people are critizising taylor for fightin junior middleweights, these guys might not be as strong as Taylor but they are slick and fast, and size is overrated anyway. At heavyweight there are often fights between guys with big size differences, but often the smaller guys win. Spinks and Ouma are much better fighters than Andrade, Taylor has really beaten the better opposition so far. Kessler is a verry good fighter but has not impressed me so far like other guys have.

[Amsterdam]

Bernard was elite, but he got old, and just because you beat a guy who was elite doesn't in turn make you elite. If JT would of beat Hopkins and Winky convincingly then he'd be considered elite, but he didn't, but he's close, but still a big win away.

Same with Kessler, and I would call Joe C elite at this point on the fact of longevity, but I'd call him fading elite, much like Hopkins was.

Other elite guys out there now:

Vasquez, Maywhether, Calderon, Pacman, Cotto, Mosley, Juan Diaz, and a few others.. but there is truly only a handful of elite guys across all the divisons.

Juan Diaz is a true elite? Damn, you have low standards.

How about Vasquez, that can be argued honestly, considered he and Marquez showcased no defence what so ever, even though both are 'offensive gems'.

Calderon? Definitley a special fighter, but a true elite? He has yet to fight any of the real top classes in the divisions he has fought in, his latest victory was impressive because of the weight, but he nearly got taken out and only marginally won and against a guy who never fought even above the B level. But you of course say he's elite off of what you have 'heard', not what you have observed.

Mayweather, Cotto, Pacman - Check, I absolutely agree with this, all are fantastic.

Mosely - Hmm, definitley a former elite, but aging and a close bout with a shot Vargas in the first one can be used as an indicator, even though he disposed of Vargas handily in the next and defeated Collazo. I guess this one is still a question mark, seeing as I can see 4 or 5 of the welters beating him with ease at this point, including Cotto, which is coming up.

[Amsterdam]

On the B-Hop over Calzaghe fight? I think it'd be a much tougher fight for Calzaghe then he or you'd anticipate. Hopkins is way craftier than Joe, and he'd test Joe's stamina, and make Joe miss a lot and of course make it dirty.

I could see the style being all wrong for Joe. Again styles make fights, but then again Joe could win against Hopkins as well, because again Hopkins is old, but Joe ain't the same guy he was 5 years ago either.

As far as Taylor against Joe? I'm not sure anymore, I'm just not convinced that Taylor is terrible, I think he's good, but I'm with you in that he needs a big definitive win, and he hasn't had one in awhile, but I had him winning all those fights.

I'm just not convinced that Pavlik is the guy who can beat Taylor, as Pavlik has been very protected and has been hurt himself, and can be very very raw at times.

I see Taylor winning the fight, but would I be completely surprised if he lost? No.

How is Hopkins going to test Joe's stamina when he himself was tiring out against Winky? Joe has ENDLESS stamina.

Hopkins' style also doesn't match up well against Joe's anyway due to the workrate and inside fighting skill of Joe, not to mention speed. Joe is equally as good at working inside of a clinch and Hopkins is an old fighter at this point.

Pavlik will win and he will do so just like I have said he will for the last 2 months, then maybe you will think twice before insulting me and writing my analysis' off.:yep

[nervousxtian]

Mosley will be considered elite again until he loses. That's how it works.

I do believe that Juan Diaz is elite. 6 title defenses over 3 years, and dominating Frietas and Cotto.

I'd pick him over any Lightweight in the world, including Cassamayor at this point.

[nervousxtian]

The same Joe Calzaghe who recently struggled against Saiko Bika?

Let's use the same standard across the board. You sure like to excuse the flaws of your guy while talking shit about other fighters.

[Mrvooh]

But the difference is that Kessler is a true elite A class fighter, Taylor and Pavlik are both sloppier, lack the timing, the speed and the defence of Kessler, yet not many people notice these evident factors when it is BLATANTLY obvious.

Kessler will get beat up and I am glad the fight was made instead of Jermain Taylor for Calzaghe. Because Calzaghe would dispose of Taylor in 5 rounds and get no credit, Calzaghe - Kessler is a true A class fight and it will benefit his legacy in the long run when Kessler continue's to win at the top class level. I agree, as usual with you, but i think kessler will be tougher to beat than most Calzaghe fans believe.

[Amsterdam]

The same Joe Calzaghe who recently struggled against Saiko Bika?

Let's use the same standard across the board. You sure like to excuse the flaws of your guy while talking shit about other fighters.

Yes, a Calzaghe who had the poorest training camp in recent history, the same Calzaghe who has a history of being hot and cold when it comes to matches.

Mosely was well trained and prepared for Vargas, there is the difference.

[nervousxtian]

Mosley is an old vet, and he lost to guys that were terrible style match-ups for him, and guys who are naturally bigger than him. He's still very highly skilled, and packs a good punch.

This next fight for Mosley will highlight how much he has left, but I think it's a passing of the torch fight, as I think Cotto will out youth him.

[THN]

I'm seek and tired hering how bad Andrade is, he has a lot of power, chin of granite, how many can stand for the pressure?
I'ts looks like a looser is just a bum, thats not fair!

[nervousxtian]

Andrade isn't terrible, but he was very untested going in against Kessler in unfamiliar and hostile turf.

Andrade is what he is, which isn't an A level fighter.

[DanePugilist]

Kessler has beaten 6 former or holding champs - and not only did he beat them - he sent them to school for Kesslian reformation.

[DanePugilist]

Andrade isn't terrible, but he was very untested going in against Kessler in unfamiliar and hostile turf.

Andrade is what he is, which isn't an A level fighter.Anyone is untested until they meet their first elite. Kessler, himself fights as good abroad as on home turf.

Andrade is b+, and would take down Taylor, and go life and death with Pavlik.

[nervousxtian]

I'll give him Beyer as a good win, but it's a fading Beyer.

Lucas was shot, Mundine and Siaca are decent wins.

It's not a bad resume, but he ain't elite yet.

[THN]

Anyone is untested until they meet their first elite. Kessler, himself fights as good abroad as on home turf.

Andrade is b+, and would take down Taylor, and go life and death with Pavlik.
Right :good

[nervousxtian]

Andrade is b+, and would take down Taylor, and go life and death with Pavlik.
He also fights a weight class above, so what the fuck is your point?

[Amsterdam]

Andrade is insanely overrated around here. He would take down Taylor? :patsch

I hate JT as much as the next man, but he would obliterate Andrade. The guy is nothing but a iron-chinned punching bag. Taylor would shut him out.

Shows what you know.

[lillarry]

Anyone is untested until they meet their first elite. Kessler, himself fights as good abroad as on home turf.

Andrade is b+, and would take down Taylor, and go life and death with Pavlik.

You dont know that. Stop pulling stuff out your ass. Jermain would give any other the elite MWs and SMW a hard time. So enough with all the bias bullshit. The man is not 27-0-1 for nothing.

[THN]

Andrade is insanely overrated around here. He would take down Taylor? :patsch

I hate JT as much as the next man, but he would obliterate Andrade. The guy is nothing but a iron-chinned punching bag. Taylor would shut him out.
Maybe so, but it'll take a lot of power to keep him away!

[Amsterdam]

What I know is Andrade has no boxing skills. Whatsoever. He punches in slow-motion. He couldnt land a punch on a cardboard cutout of Taylor

More idiocy.

He throws a lot of punches, has an endless tank of stamina and pressure's very effectively and never relentless, if Ouma can drive Taylor to the ropes, what's a bigger man with longer reach and equally effective pressuring with power and size going to do?

Use your head, Taylor doesn't have Kessler's speed, power or defence and would get KTFO.

[Amsterdam]

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You dont know that. Stop pulling stuff out your ass. Jermain would give any other the elite MWs and SMW a hard time. So enough with all the bias bullshit. The man is not 27-0-1 for nothing.

Well, I don't consider Pavlik 'elite' and never will most likely, seeing as he lacks the necessary fundamentals and ability to compete with guys on the true elite level, but he will in fact KTFO Jermain Taylor.

[DanePugilist]

I'll give him Beyer as a good win, but it's a fading Beyer.

Lucas was shot, Mundine and Siaca are decent wins.

It's not a bad resume, but he ain't elite yet.Yet you think that Freitas was a good win for Diaz?

What makes you say that Lucas was shot? He lost a split decision vs Beyer, and then only lost to hardhitter Green - till he met Kessler.

Nonetheless, all of them has been made a fool of - like no one else have done.

[Amsterdam]

Yet you think that Freitas was a good win for Diaz?

What makes you say that Lucas was shot? He lost a split decision vs Beyer, and then only lost to hardhitter Green - till he met Kessler.

Nonetheless, all of them has been made a fool of - like no one else have done.

:yep

Freitas actually won rounds 1-4 against Diaz, then the pressure set in and Freitas faded, kind of like what's going to happen with Pavlik/Taylor, only I won't proclaim Pavlik an elite.:yep

[DanePugilist]

[/size]

You dont know that. Stop pulling stuff out your ass. Jermain would give any other the elite MWs and SMW a hard time. So enough with all the bias bullshit. The man is not 27-0-1 for nothing.Yes, I do know that. Seeing what, what one man does, and see how another fails vs this type of fighter.

Yes, he is 27-0-1 for nothing, because its all painted... and I am not even considering those 3-4 losses that he should have had on that resume.

[Sheehan]

..for no other reason than to stop all the stupid nuthugging Calzaghe posts and the Jermain hater posts.


That's all.

see im not so easily bothered by fans enough to wish defeat on someone, not fair on th fighter...

[DanePugilist]

:yep

Freitas actually won rounds 1-4 against Diaz, then the pressure set in and Freitas faded, kind of like what's going to happen with Pavlik/Taylor, only I won't proclaim Pavlik an elite.:yepFreitas faded, because he is faded...

Taylor don't need to fade due to stamina issues to lose - everything he does handles that for him.

[lillarry]

Yes, I do know that. Seeing what, what one man does, and see how another fails vs this type of fighter.

Yes, he is 27-0-1 for nothing, because its all painted... and I am not even considering those 3-4 losses that he should have had on that resume.

Blah, blah, blah he is still 27-0-1. No matter how you try to slice and dice it. Up to this point he competition is superior to Kessler and Calzaghe and the other Euros you love so much. Your bias is so damn transparent is pathetic. Give the man his props or STFU

[DanePugilist]

Blah, blah, blah he is still 27-0-1. No matter how you try to slice and dice it. Up to this point he competition is superior to Kessler and Calzaghe and the other Euros you love so much. Your bias is so damn transparent is pathetic. Give the man his props or STFUWould you like to hold this mirror for me?

[Amsterdam]

Blah, blah, blah he is still 27-0-1. No matter how you try to slice and dice it. Up to this point he competition is superior to Kessler and Calzaghe and the other Euros you love so much. Your bias is so damn transparent is pathetic. Give the man his props or STFU

His competition overall is not superior to Calzaghe's in fact. Only slightly superior to Kessler's and if you judge on how fights are won, you will find that Kessler's wins are far more definitive, against more diversified styles.

[lillarry]

His competition overall is not superior to Calzaghe's in fact. Only slightly superior to Kessler's and if you judge on how fights are won, you will find that Kessler's wins are far more definitive, against more diversified styles.


Name me 3 boxers on Calzaghe's resume that come close to to Wright, Hopkins, or Spinks.

[Amsterdam]

Name me 3 boxers on Calzaghe's resume that come close to to Wright, Hopkins, or Spinks.

The fact that you mention Spinks as a serious win is not even worth debating, but I'll play along.

First of all, resume's are not just 'names' on the record and the only two fighters on Taylor's resume that are worth a damn at MW are Winky and Hopkins and a shot Joppy.

Spinks, Ouma, Marquez and Edourd are all vastly undersized LMW's and would not trouble any real ranked MW at all, but I'll count them in just because you recognise these names of course.

So let's run with an aging Hopkins, Wright* and a shot Joppy as the whole of Taylor's competition in ADDITION to these LMW's of course in Edourd, Marquez, Ouma & Spinks.

Vs -

Diminishing Eubank, Lacy, Reid, Woodhall, Starie, Sheika, B. Mitchell, shot Brewer.

But, since everyone wants to count guys like Marquez and Ouma as points for Taylor, then let's add Bika and Manfredo Jr. in for Calzaghe.

You don't see a comparison in variety of styles and differences in the way the bouts are won for a resume overview?:yep

[Lacyace]

But, since everyone wants to count guys like Marquez and Ouma as points for Taylor, then let's add Bika and Manfredo Jr. in for Calzaghe.
:patsch

Man, you really struggled, reached, and grasped for a convincing argument and you fell flat on your head. Congratulations.

[Amsterdam]

:patsch

Man, you really struggled, reached, and grasped for a convincing argument and you fell flat on your head. Congratulations.

No, I didn't struggle, I wanted to make it clear and I did. Ouma and Marquez are counted as wins for Taylor and neither are anything to scoff at in my opinion, Edourd is also mentioned sometimes.

In that case, then you can mention B- level guys like Bika and Manfredo for Calzaghe, even though I do not mention them because they are not something to mention as anything significant.

But Taylor recieves this benefit and they mention names outside of Hopkins, Wright and Joppy, which are his 3 signatures.

Spinks, Ouma, Marquez and Edourd for an elite level MW are worthless fights that mean as little as a victory over Sakio Bika.

Furthermore, Calzaghe's competition is not the best around, they act like Taylor has some of the best competition in all of boxing, his competition is not even comparable to that of Manny Pacquaio.

[Clearly Cool]

I think the important thing here is the dominance kessler has shown.

The reason he is no chump, is because he has completely DOMINATED every one of his opponents. Mundine came close to putting up a fight but was still shutout by Kessler.

Kess has a decent resume, not great, but his performances have been great against every single opponent. I personally have never seen a guy lose so few rounds so far into a career. Is there anyone who compares.

Even most P4P's lose a few rounds here and there in each of their fight.

[Amsterdam]

I think the important thing here is the dominance kessler has shown.

The reason he is no chump, is because he has completely DOMINATED every one of his opponents. Mundine came close to putting up a fight but was still shutout by Kessler.

Kess has a decent resume, not great, but his performances have been great against every single opponent. I personally have never seen a guy lose so few rounds so far into a career. Is there anyone who compares.

Even most P4P's lose a few rounds here and there in each of their fight.

Exactly, and he's not fought Spinks and Ouma's, his overall comp is as solid as it gets before entering the P4P network, he also unified two titles.

Most fighters, even P4P, have no claim to that type of domination.

[cuchulain]

No, I didn't struggle, I wanted to make it clear and I did. Ouma and Marquez are counted as wins for Taylor and neither are anything to scoff at in my opinion, Edourd is also mentioned sometimes.

In that case, then you can mention B- level guys like Bika and Manfredo for Calzaghe, even though I do not mention them because they are not something to mention as anything significant.

But Taylor recieves this benefit and they mention names outside of Hopkins, Wright and Joppy, which are his 3 signatures.

Spinks, Ouma, Marquez and Edourd for an elite level MW are worthless fights that mean as little as a victory over Sakio Bika.

Furthermore, Calzaghe's competition is not the best around, they act like Taylor has some of the best competition in all of boxing, his competition is not even comparable to that of Manny Pacquaio.

Amsterdam, given the plethora of posts you've made regarding the certainty of the outcome of the Taylor / Pavlik fight, you Could be washing down a lot of crow with that high-priced wine you bought.

While this fight could go either way, I'm expecting Taylor to win a comfortable UD or quite possibly to KO Pavlik. Taylor is at present in the B+ to A- range and still developing.

Your anti-Taylor posts have surpassed JackPresscott's anti-Oscar posts in number and you are closing in on Jack interms of personal vitriol.

IMO, head-to-head, the current crop ranks as follows:


Calzaghe

Kessler

Taylor

Hopkins

Pavlik

Wright

Spinks