Cristian Mijares

[DanePugilist]

I just rewatched his fight with 3 weightclass WC Arce the other day. Showing tremendous amount of boxing skill, he totally picked Arce apart, using great offensive, defence and boxing smartness of the highest level.

To me this was a complete package, and I fail to understand why he isn't on any p4p top 10 list.

Where do you place him?

[chimba]

I just rewatched his fight with 3 weightclass WC Arce the other day. Showing tremendous amount of boxing skill, he totally picked Arce apart, using great offensive, defence and boxing smartness of the highest level.

To me this was a complete package, and I fail to understand why he isn't on any p4p top 10 list.

Where do you place him?

It seems that any decent boxer lately has been picking Arce apart...so its hard to say where Mijares really rank

[DanePugilist]

It seems that any decent boxer lately has been picking Arce apart...so its hard to say where Mijares really rankWho would that be? Arce haven't lost since 1999, and went on to do what he should against Rojas.

[Morrissey]

I don't have a p4p list right now, but I would say he is one tough skilled MOFO who seems not intimidated by anyone, and that can bring him up further in some people's p4p list.

A big win against a legit, named contender should place him there now.

[Amsterdam]

Who would that be? Arce haven't lost since 1999, and went on to do what he should against Rojas.

Yes, but Rojas was also picking off rounds. Seems Arce's not suited to the weight division jump, plus his timing and speed was off, indicative of fading attributes possibly, which could be from the insane beating he took from Mijares.

[Carlos Primera]

mijares is the real deal, but imo he needs a win over at least two of the top 5 in super fly or bamtam too crack the p4p top 10. dane if you're not familiar with the fly/superfly/bantam scene, keep you're eye on it as there are a lot of good matches to be made in that division. it's as deep as MW/SMW right at the moment with potential fights between mijares, sidorenko, castillo, munoz, darchinyan, montiel, perez, gorres etc... psychopath knows this division well, and he'll tell you it's very good. (P.S. that joke wonjongkam needs to fight out of thailand, he's been no.1 in the ring rankings for so long without fighting top guys at fly)

[Morrissey]

Yes, but Rojas was also picking off rounds. Seems Arce's not suited to the weight division jump, plus his timing and speed was off, indicative of fading attributes possibly, which could be from the insane beating he took from Mijares.

If this is the same rangy Roxas that gave Penalosa a controversial, close win , I should say Roxas is a solid, fringe contender.

[Amsterdam]

If this is the same rangy Roxas that gave Penalosa a controversial, close win , I should say Roxas is a solid, fringe contender.

Yes, but Arce was definitley off in comparison to other bouts. I feel Rojas may have been the wrong choice stylistically for a rebound fight after that horrible thrashing.

Arce literally got 'Lacy'd' against Mijares, it may or may not have diminshed his attributes.

[Morrissey]

Yes, but Arce was definitley off in comparison to other bouts. I feel Rojas may have been the wrong choice stylistically for a rebound fight after that horrible thrashing.

Arce literally got 'Lacy'd' against Mijares, it may or may not have diminshed his attributes.

I have not seen this fight yet, btw.

And I have to agree completely on that Mijares schooling. Arce looked like a beaten kid out there. The bully just got bullied.

[Amsterdam]

I have not seen this fight yet, btw.

And I have to agree completely on that Mijares schooling. Arce looked like a beaten kid out there. The bully just got bullied.

It was really bad, Mijares was landing 4 and 5 shot combinations until the final bell and had a total of 437 connects, just absurd.

[MSTR]

Yes, but Arce was definitley off in comparison to other bouts. I feel Rojas may have been the wrong choice stylistically for a rebound fight after that horrible thrashing.

Arce literally got 'Lacy'd' against Mijares, it may or may not have diminshed his attributes.

:deal

[T.C.W]

I can't see anybody at 115 beating this man for a couple of years.

[WhataRock]

Its no suprise that Arce was carefully matched after moving from jnrfly.
Against Rojas they probably wanted to show he can deal with that style but he couldnt really.

Arce is a quality T.V fighter, his management will be careful from now on. Shane he said he wouldnt fight a southpaw against because I would really like to see him fight Vic, who is nothing like those other fighters and who is someone Arce is a big chance of beating.

[mad_takamura]

i want mijares vs. z-gorres!!! :thumbsup

[DanePugilist]

mijares is the real deal, but imo he needs a win over at least two of the top 5 in super fly or bamtam too crack the p4p top 10. dane if you're not familiar with the fly/superfly/bantam scene, keep you're eye on it as there are a lot of good matches to be made in that division. it's as deep as MW/SMW right at the moment with potential fights between mijares, sidorenko, castillo, munoz, darchinyan, montiel, perez, gorres etc... psychopath knows this division well, and he'll tell you it's very good. (P.S. that joke wonjongkam needs to fight out of thailand, he's been no.1 in the ring rankings for so long without fighting top guys at fly)I must admit I have fairly little knowledge of the smaller divisions, and the attention was brought to me, by someone on this very site.

So I went on to check him out, and I was amazed. I had expected someone who was maybe good at either defence or offence - but to me he had it all - maybe save a KO punch.

He boxed incredible smart as well, without making compromises on his defence nor offence. Unlike ie Israel Vasquez or Rafael Marquez.

[DanePugilist]

Yes, but Arce was definitley off in comparison to other bouts. I feel Rojas may have been the wrong choice stylistically for a rebound fight after that horrible thrashing.

Arce literally got 'Lacy'd' against Mijares, it may or may not have diminshed his attributes.Despite the fact that Arce had moved up, he was still 3 weightclass champ. Let's just say that Arce can't perform at this weight as well, or isn't as good as made out to be - Mijares can't be faulted.

Just like Calzaghe can't, for showing that Lacy wasn't all that. When I think about it, this is a good comparison, and I think that Mijares did even better, because he never sacrificed his defence, while picking on Arce.

[WhataRock]

Despite the fact that Arce had moved up, he was still 3 weightclass champ. Let's just say that Arce can't perform at this weight as well, or isn't as good as made out to be - Mijares can't be faulted.

Just like Calzaghe can't, for showing that Lacy wasn't all that. When I think about it, this is a good comparison, and I think that Mijares did even better, because he never sacrificed his defence, while picking on Arce.

was he??
He was only the interim champ at fly and he never won a title at superfly.

[brooklyn1550]

He doesn't quite have the resume to be ranked in the top 10 pound for pound (if that is what you base it on), but if you base a pound for pound list by skill and ability, you can definitely make a case. He could become a great fighter in the lower weight classes and the next great Mexican champion.

[DanePugilist]

was he??
He was only the interim champ at fly and he never won a title at superfly.Sorry - it was only two - I just thought they said three prior to the match. Had he beaten Mijares - it would have been 3.

[DanePugilist]

He doesn't quite have the resume to be ranked in the top 10 pound for pound (if that is what you base it on), but if you base a pound for pound list by skill and ability, you can definitely make a case. He could become a great fighter in the lower weight classes and the next great Mexican champion.I thought about skill and ability.

[WhataRock]

Sorry - it was only two - I just thought they said three prior to the match. Had he beaten Mijares - it would have been 3.

Still only 1 really, he was only the interim champ.
No way was he better than Pong at any stage of his flyweight career.

[DanePugilist]

Still only 1 really, he was only the interim champ.
No way was he better than Pong at any stage of his flyweight career.Well going by what they said on the show, he was 2 weightclass champ - and was trying to tie Chavez' feat by winning 3. If that is wrong, then the commentators are wrong also(not that it is unlikely). To them the interim seemingly counted...

Nonetheless, it still shows he could perform at different classes - and as I have said before, even if Arce is considered not to be all that(I would disagree though), then Mijares did nothing wrong and showed he is elite.

[WhataRock]

A weightclass titlist is way different to a weight class champ.
Plus Arce was never a full titlist at flyweight anyways.

Commentators will always put a bias on things, they are wrong by my definition of the term "2 weightclass champ".

Comparing Arce's feat to Chavez's is sacrilege. It weakens the significance of what it means to be champ, when people start accepting that the feats of the true greats are comparable to that of fighter of Arce's calibre.

[DanePugilist]

A weightclass titlist is way different to a weight class champ.
Plus Arce was never a full titlist at flyweight anyways.

Commentators will always put a bias on things, they are wrong by my definition of the term "2 weightclass champ".

Comparing Arce's feat to Chavez's is sacrilege. It weakens the significance of what it means to be champ, when people start accepting that the feats of the true greats are comparable to that of fighter of Arce's calibre.I have this written behind my ears.

[Carlos Primera]

Despite the fact that Arce had moved up, he was still 3 weightclass champ. Let's just say that Arce can't perform at this weight as well, or isn't as good as made out to be - Mijares can't be faulted.

Just like Calzaghe can't, for showing that Lacy wasn't all that. When I think about it, this is a good comparison, and I think that Mijares did even better, because he never sacrificed his defence, while picking on Arce.
arce is a one dimensional pressure fighting brawler, but imo he's more than proved his substance in tough fights. his loss to carbajal alone imo is better than what lacy did in his career up to the point of the calzaghe bout.

the good thing about mijares fighting in/around this weight class is the depth. as opposed to a prospect like chad dawson whose possibility of good fights is limited to the future jump of joe cal/kessler to 175. mijares has the opportunity to go up against good fighters. a chess match like fight with one of the best in/around that weight with castillo will be like a mini super fight for me. a fight with montiel would be entertaining. i'd like too see him dismantle darchinyan. i'd like too see him destroy anyone of those over protected thai's. going up agaisnt a slugger like munoz would be a good chin testing fight. a possible jump to bantam against a very good veteran in penalosa or good prospect like sidorenko etc.... only big problem is that most of these small guys are overly protected by their promoters, which could hurt these fights being made. most logical fight right now would be going after montiel (most possible to be made).

[hmi]

arce is a one dimensional pressure fighting brawler, but imo he's more than proved his substance in tough fights. his loss to carbajal alone imo is better than what lacy did in his career up to the point of the calzaghe bout.

the good thing about mijares fighting in/around this weight class is the depth. as opposed to a prospect like chad dawson whose possibility of good fights is limited to the future jump of joe cal/kessler to 175. mijares has the opportunity to go up against good fighters. a chess match like fight with one of the best in/around that weight with castillo will be like a mini super fight for me. a fight with montiel would be entertaining. i'd like too see him dismantle darchinyan. i'd like too see him destroy anyone of those over protected thai's. going up agaisnt a slugger like munoz would be a good chin testing fight. a possible jump to bantam against a very good veteran in penalosa or good prospect like sidorenko etc.... only big problem is that most of these small guys are overly protected by their promoters, which could hurt these fights being made. most logical fight right now would be going after montiel (most possible to be made).
well said...

[hmi]

Who is Flatlander and how come he appeared in my post as if he really edited my post? Is this a bug?

[China_hand_Joe]

I like Cristian's jab, he can throw it going forwards or backwards. It is very good. Though I will reserve my judgement on him for now, due to Arce's last display. It raises a small questionmark, which will be answered soon enough. Definitely promising though.

[DanePugilist]

arce is a one dimensional pressure fighting brawler, but imo he's more than proved his substance in tough fights. his loss to carbajal alone imo is better than what lacy did in his career up to the point of the calzaghe bout.

the good thing about mijares fighting in/around this weight class is the depth. as opposed to a prospect like chad dawson whose possibility of good fights is limited to the future jump of joe cal/kessler to 175. mijares has the opportunity to go up against good fighters. a chess match like fight with one of the best in/around that weight with castillo will be like a mini super fight for me. a fight with montiel would be entertaining. i'd like too see him dismantle darchinyan. i'd like too see him destroy anyone of those over protected thai's. going up agaisnt a slugger like munoz would be a good chin testing fight. a possible jump to bantam against a very good veteran in penalosa or good prospect like sidorenko etc.... only big problem is that most of these small guys are overly protected by their promoters, which could hurt these fights being made. most logical fight right now would be going after montiel (most possible to be made).Thank you for your assesment.

I think that fights vs Vic and Sidorenko would be nice. Then again, as you say, there are still matches to be made in his own division. So - Maybe a rematch vs Maldonado, if he gets past Lopez, or Montiel.