Maybe Jermain Taylor ought to think of honourable ways to retire.

[Amsterdam]

Since most of the best analysts on here agreed that SMW is just too much for him and if Pavlik exposes that suspect jaw that most of us see, then he'll only have so many avenue's for moderate success. If you get KOed by a B level guy who's nothing more than solid and willful just on pressure and hitting power, it definitley limits your range of what you can do.

So since Pavlik KOing Taylor is the most likely scenerio, what ways can Jermain Taylor honourably retire?

I say he has a rematch with Wright since Wright cannot punch and is near the end of his run as a top class operator and then win or lose cashes out and calls it a day, since he doesn't seem to enjoy fighting anyway.

It'd also help if he admitted where he was incorrect instead of just stuttering within an insecure pride stance, because the world knows all about Jermain Taylor.

[Napoleon]

Since most of the best analysts on here agreed that SMW is just too much for him and if Pavlik exposes that suspect jaw that most of us see, then he'll only have so many avenue's for moderate success. If you get KOed by a B level guy who's nothing more than solid and willful just on pressure and hitting power, it definitley limits your range of what you can do.

So since Pavlik KOing Taylor is the most likely scenerio, what ways can Jermain Taylor honourably retire?

I say he has a rematch with Wright since Wright cannot punch and is near the end of his run as a top class operator and then win or lose cashes out and calls it a day, since he doesn't seem to enjoy fighting anyway.

It'd also help if he admitted where he was incorrect instead of just stuttering within an insecure pride stance, because the world knows all about Jermain Taylor.

The real question is what will Joke Alzaghe do after Kessler beats him?

[Lance_Uppercut]

He won't retire. He doesn't need to. Even in a loss he wouldn't need to.

[Amsterdam]

He won't retire. He doesn't need to. Even in a loss he wouldn't need to.

He'll have no avenue's, maybe he can apologise to Amsterdam and make it all better, only I wouldn't accept his apology, so it would be right back to the drawing board with no other options than getting KOed a few times by B levels from the higher divisions.

So what honourable ways can Jermain Taylor call it a day?

[Lance_Uppercut]

He'll have no avenue's, maybe he can apologise to Amsterdam and make it all better, only I wouldn't accept his apology, so it would be right back to the drawing board with no other options than getting KOed a few times by B levels from the higher divisions.

So what honourable ways can Jermain Taylor call it a day?

Uhm...no. You couldn't carry his spit bucket.:deal

[lillarry]

Since most of the best analysts on here agreed that SMW is just too much for him and if Pavlik exposes that suspect jaw that most of us see, then he'll only have so many avenue's for moderate success. If you get KOed by a B level guy who's nothing more than solid and willful just on pressure and hitting power, it definitley limits your range of what you can do.

So since Pavlik KOing Taylor is the most likely scenerio, what ways can Jermain Taylor honourably retire?

I say he has a rematch with Wright since Wright cannot punch and is near the end of his run as a top class operator and then win or lose cashes out and calls it a day, since he doesn't seem to enjoy fighting anyway.

It'd also help if he admitted where he was incorrect instead of just stuttering within an insecure pride stance, because the world knows all about Jermain Taylor.


Hi Pat Burns:hi:

[Fedor Em]

He'll have no avenue's, maybe he can apologise to Amsterdam and make it all better, only I wouldn't accept his apology, so it would be right back to the drawing board with no other options than getting KOed a few times by B levels from the higher divisions.

So what honourable ways can Jermain Taylor call it a day?

Your obsession with Taylor is starting to compare to Carlitos with Floyd. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Amsterdam]

Your obsession with Taylor is starting to compare to Carlitos with Floyd. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

What honourable ways can Taylor call it a day?

[Fedor Em]

What honourable ways can Taylor call it a day?

Fighting Hopkins twice, Wright, Ouma, and now Pavlik has gained him the respect he deserves, just because the JUDGES don't score the bout the way you see it does not make him any less or more of a fighter. Would he beat a prime Hopkins? I doubt it, but there isn't 10 middleweights in history that could so get off his ass. His level of competition in his last 5 fights is better that Calzaghes last 15 title defenses, and your boy Joe wants nothing more than to get in the ring with Taylor, so give the man the credit he deserves.

[JAM Killer]

jermaine won't lose.

[Amsterdam]

Fighting Hopkins twice, Wright, Ouma, and now Pavlik has gained him the respect he deserves, just because the JUDGES don't score the bout the way you see it does not make him any less or more of a fighter. Would he beat a prime Hopkins? I doubt it, but there isn't 10 middleweights in history that could so get off his ass. His level of competition in his last 5 fights is better that Calzaghes last 15 title defenses, and your boy Joe wants nothing more than to get in the ring with Taylor, so give the man the credit he deserves.

He deserves minimal credit.

But the question is however, 'How can Taylor retire honourably after getting blown away by the average Pavlik', to be precise.

What is your answer?

[Fedor Em]

He deserves minimal credit.

But the question is however, 'How can Taylor retire honourably after getting blown away by the average Pavlik', to be precise.

What is your answer?

Well if he gets blown away (which I doubt he will) he can move up to 168 and fight Bute who would be a quality win for Taylor, then he would beat an aging Calzaghe, and go off into the sunset a 2 division undisputed champion. :good

[Amsterdam]

Well if he gets blown away (which I doubt he will) he can move up to 168 and fight Bute who would be a quality win for Taylor, then he would beat an aging Calzaghe, and go off into the sunset a 2 division undisputed champion. :good

You need to try harder to bait me next time.

Anyway, I still await your honest answer on the subject, and anyone elses for that matter. It's a serious subject.

[Lance_Uppercut]

You need to try harder to bait me next time.

Anyway, I still await your honest answer on the subject, and anyone elses for that matter. It's a serious subject.

Bullshit, there's nothing serious about this subject. You're just trying to be funny as usual. Key word trying. :roll:

[Lance_Uppercut]

Either way, if Taylor lost, he'd keep on fighting.

[Fedor Em]

You need to try harder to bait me next time.

Anyway, I still await your honest answer on the subject, and anyone elses for that matter. It's a serious subject.

You really don't think he has a chance to beat Bute or an aging Calzaghe a year from now? Please Bute is too green, and Joe does not have the power anymore to really hurt Taylors chin, and when Taylor commits to the jab it is superior to Joe's in every way. Prime Calzaghe stops Taylor by the 7th or 8th, but today it is a close decision either way. Taylor is a MUCH more polished fighter than a Jeff Lacy, and has beaten BETTER opponents. Oh lemme guess you will come back and say "well Taylor folds under pressure" like when he beat Ouma 10 rounds to 2? Winky threw punches in bundles, more than Taylor and that fight was pretty damn close. Taylor might get beat but he will not get dominated.

[Amsterdam]

:-((

[Amsterdam]

Either way, if Taylor lost, he'd keep on fighting.

But getting blown out by an average MW with pressure and power, which will definitley happen by the way, is telling on what he can do.

So how can he retire out before further destruction, but in an honourable way, which honour has yet to be apart of his career and life in general?

[Lance_Uppercut]

But getting blown out by an average MW with pressure and power, which will definitley happen by the way, is telling on what he can do.

So how can he retire out before further destruction, but in an honourable way, which honour has yet to be apart of his career and life in general?

He can always bow out and PRETEND to be some boxing expert on a message board.

[Fedor Em]

:-((

You can bitch and complain all you want, but Taylor would have beaten every fighter on Calzaghe's resmue except maybe Eubank, and I would have made him the favorite, considering Eubanks age. The Taylor during the Hopkins fight showed an amazing Jab and a nice right hand. He was stunned by a perfect right hand on the button, but he was not seriously hurt or has NEVER been down.

[Lance_Uppercut]

It's pretty pathetic how you try to downgrade any Taylor opponent while at the same time, blowing up Joe's opponents to near greatness. You're pretty transparent Amsterdam. Hence the 'over the top' arrogance you display with your intellect. It's often the phone's who have to trump themselves up a bunch.

[Fedor Em]

That same punch Hopkins threw that stunned Taylor, was similar to the punch that nearly put Tarver on his ass, and was scored a KD. I can't wait til the end of this month. :good

[Amsterdam]

You can bitch and complain all you want, but Taylor would have beaten every fighter on Calzaghe's resmue except maybe Eubank, and I would have made him the favorite, considering Eubanks age. The Taylor during the Hopkins fight showed an amazing Jab and a nice right hand. He was stunned by a perfect right hand on the button, but he was not seriously hurt or has NEVER been down.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Amazing jab, amazing right. Boxing fans amaze me sometimes.

Taylor would not even defeat that 'iffy', but talented fighter in your avatar. I don't think I'd pick him over a prime focused Reid, definitley not Eubank and definitley not Jeff Lacy, considering Lacy can apply effective pressure and can set a game plan against a fighter who is poor at keeping a gameplan.

This only shows the absurdity that we all have to live with as boxing fans.

[psychopath]

Since most of the best analysts on here agreed that SMW is just too much for him and if Pavlik exposes that suspect jaw that most of us see, then he'll only have so many avenue's for moderate success. If you get KOed by a B level guy who's nothing more than solid and willful just on pressure and hitting power, it definitley limits your range of what you can do.

So since Pavlik KOing Taylor is the most likely scenerio, what ways can Jermain Taylor honourably retire?

I say he has a rematch with Wright since Wright cannot punch and is near the end of his run as a top class operator and then win or lose cashes out and calls it a day, since he doesn't seem to enjoy fighting anyway.

It'd also help if he admitted where he was incorrect instead of just stuttering within an insecure pride stance, because the world knows all about Jermain Taylor.

Yeah right Ams_t talk about "insecure pride" :D . . . your memory is clearly being blocked by your extreme hatred. :rofl Maybe fight Winky again? Have you forgotten that Winky never wanted to have a piece of Taylor again? :rofl

. . . and maybe one year of humilation is NOT enough for you just incase Taylor proves you wrong . . . maybe it's you who needs to retire from ESB. :think

Think about it friend. :hey :hi:

[Amsterdam]

It's pretty pathetic how you try to downgrade any Taylor opponent while at the same time, blowing up Joe's opponents to near greatness. You're pretty transparent Amsterdam. Hence the 'over the top' arrogance you display with your intellect. It's often the phone's who have to trump themselves up a bunch.

That's the way you percieve it, I get along with most on here fine.

I just see through the specific mess regarding Jermain Taylor, it has little to do with Calzaghe, you in fact bring up Calzaghe into the equation, not me.

In fact, I have often used Arthur Abraham as a counter example to underrated MW in comparison to the disgrace that we have holding the MW championship, I don't care for Abraham much at all.

Pavlik will sort things out and will show that you all know very little about the sport of boxing in the end and believe whatever is fed to you. You are the ones who start the personal attacks by the way, I prefer to keep to boxing discussion.

[Fedor Em]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Amazing jab, amazing right. Boxing fans amaze me sometimes.

Taylor would not even defeat that 'iffy', but talented fighter in your avatar. I don't think I'd pick him over a prime focused Reid, definitley not Eubank and definitley not Jeff Lacy, considering Lacy can apply effective pressure and can set a game plan against a fighter who is poor at keeping a gameplan.

This only shows the absurdity that we all have to live with as boxing fans.

Reid is so overrated it is pathetic, just because he lost a disputed decision to the most protected feather fisted fighter of the 90's suddenly he is a world beater? I guess a 37 year old Eubank would have beaten the Taylor that got in the ring with Winky or Hopkins? I seriouly doubt it. He looked like crap for much of that fight. Taylor's jab when he actually used it effectively was better than ANY jab Calzaghe has ever seen and I can say that without hesitation. I said a nice right hand, did I say it was on par with Hearns? Stop getting shit twisted, Hopkins was hesitant to throw against the combinations Taylor was throwing in the first half of EACH fight. Now I would give Lacy a chance because of the power he possessed but Taylor would have won an 8-4 decision most likely. Christ you make it seem like he is china, the man has never been down.

[Lance_Uppercut]

That's the way you percieve it, I get along with most on here fine.

I just see through the specific mess regarding Jermain Taylor, it has little to do with Calzaghe, you in fact bring up Calzaghe into the equation, not me.

In fact, I have often used Arthur Abraham as a counter example to underrated MW in comparison to the disgrace that we have holding the MW championship, I don't care for Abraham much at all.

Pavlik will sort things out and will show that you all know very little about the sport of boxing in the end and believe whatever is fed to you. You are the ones who start the personal attacks by the way, I prefer to keep to boxing discussion.

Why'd you quote me if you aren't going to address anything I've posted? What you say doesn't change the fact that you DO downgrade Taylor and his opponents while upping Joe C and his to ATG level. Of course you seem to match Joe C up with SMALLER guys to give him an advantage in hypothetical H2H matchups. Very clever of you. Here's another you can use when upping Joes greatness, Joe C would probably beat Tito Trinidad, Pernell Whitaker and Azumah Nelson. You're welcome.:rofl

That's fine that you get along with most here. This board has become a haven for nuthuggers the past year or so. No wonder you do.

[Amsterdam]

Reid is so overrated it is pathetic, just because he lost a disputed decision to the most protected feather fisted fighter of the 90's suddenly he is a world beater? I guess a 37 year old Eubank would have beaten the Taylor that got in the ring with Winky or Hopkins? I seriouly doubt it. He looked like crap for much of that fight. Taylor's jab when he actually used it effectively was better than ANY jab Calzaghe has ever seen and I can say that without hesitation. I said a nice right hand, did I say it was on par with Hearns? Stop getting shit twisted, Hopkins was hesitant to throw against the combinations Taylor was throwing in the first half of EACH fight. Now I would give Lacy a chance because of the power he possessed but Taylor would have won an 8-4 decision most likely. Christ you make it seem like he is china, the man has never been down.

I never claimed Reid was a world beater, but he was a solid fighter, but he had very good timing and a powerful lead right that would have went right over Taylor's low left hand and I seriously doubt Taylor takes it well, considering Wright buzzed him, Reid could probably land with some frequency also and score a KO.

Taylor has never been down because he has yet to face a real puncher.

Lacy would simply bomb him out with aggression, he'd drive him to the ropes and work some body shots in and finally finish him off before the 4th round probably, Taylor seems to me to be that fragile in my opinion.

Eubank was 33 by the way and that version of Eubank still had a good counter right hand, the same punch Pavlik's going to do Taylor in with, I pick Eubank by KO, no less.

[jsimps]

After the fight next week when he loses and Merchant is asking what is next, he can say the money was not right, so he will now apply for the open commentator position at HBO. HBO will see it as a huge compliment and hire him on the spot and he will stay HBO's poster boy.

[lefthook31]

Hi Pat Burns:hi:

:yep

[lefthook31]

You really don't think he has a chance to beat Bute or an aging Calzaghe a year from now? Please Bute is too green, and Joe does not have the power anymore to really hurt Taylors chin, and when Taylor commits to the jab it is superior to Joe's in every way. Prime Calzaghe stops Taylor by the 7th or 8th, but today it is a close decision either way. Taylor is a MUCH more polished fighter than a Jeff Lacy, and has beaten BETTER opponents. Oh lemme guess you will come back and say "well Taylor folds under pressure" like when he beat Ouma 10 rounds to 2? Winky threw punches in bundles, more than Taylor and that fight was pretty damn close. Taylor might get beat but he will not get dominated.

Maybe you ought to look for an honorable way to retire from this board if Taylor wins. :good

[nervousxtian]

That's fine that you get along with most here. This board has become a haven for nuthuggers the past year or so. No wonder you do.

This board has gone to shit with these huggers.

I like how you're now down to personally attacking Jermain outside the ring. Real easy for a internet warrior to make fun of a guy who by all accounts is a really good person.

I love how you degrade Taylor for fighting guys below his weight class, but then every time you try to talk up Joe C's resume you say how they'd all starch Taylor, yet they themselves are a WEIGHT CLASS ABOVE TAYLOR.

You're such a fucking hypocrite.

[Zakman]

One week til Pavlik rids of us of this gift-decision collecting HBO Fraud.

Can't wait!! :happy

[brooklyn1550]

He will keep on fighting even with a loss to Pavlik. He will move up to super middleweight, where I don't think he will have the success he did at middleweight, but I can't say for sure until I actually see him at the weight.

[pipe wrenched]

I think win or lose, he will keep fighting. Wish him all the best after Pavlik KO's him in the 7th.

[brooklyn1550]

Wish him all the best after Pavlik KO's him in the 7th.

I'm predicting the 7th as well

[Amsterdam]

I'm predicting the 7th as well

Got it right on the money.:good

However, in hindsight, what are some honourable ways for Taylor to bow out that don't include putting up a fight and getting starched again at SMW?:lol:

[cross_trainer]

So since Pavlik KOing Taylor is the most likely scenerio, what ways can Jermain Taylor honourably retire?

He could always handpick an inferior opponent and go out on a high note. Calzaghe would do nicely.

[Amsterdam]

He could always handpick an inferior opponent and go out on a high note. Calzaghe would do nicely.

Now you're just being uncouth.

[cross_trainer]

Now you're just being uncouth.

I didn't mean to state it so crudely. Now that I think about it, it is rather disrespectful to Taylor to assume he'll be reduced to fighting the likes of Calzaghe. :hey

[Amsterdam]

I didn't mean to state it so crudely. Now that I think about it, it is rather disrespectful to Taylor to assume he'll be reduced to fighting the likes of Calzaghe. :hey

I feel personally insulted.:verysad

[cross_trainer]

I feel personally insulted.:verysad

Now you can join ranks with the disconsolate Greb fans that you and your compatriots have abused so ruthlessly with your "Greater Calzaghe Co-Prosperity Sphere". :|

[ironchamp]

Since most of the best analysts on here agreed that SMW is just too much for him and if Pavlik exposes that suspect jaw that most of us see, then he'll only have so many avenue's for moderate success. If you get KOed by a B level guy who's nothing more than solid and willful just on pressure and hitting power, it definitley limits your range of what you can do.

So since Pavlik KOing Taylor is the most likely scenerio, what ways can Jermain Taylor honourably retire?

I say he has a rematch with Wright since Wright cannot punch and is near the end of his run as a top class operator and then win or lose cashes out and calls it a day, since he doesn't seem to enjoy fighting anyway.

It'd also help if he admitted where he was incorrect instead of just stuttering within an insecure pride stance, because the world knows all about Jermain Taylor.

Careers dont end when you lose amsterdam. He is very much a force and IMO will be back and better than ever.

Just Ask Wlad Klitschko

[Amsterdam]

Now you can join ranks with the disconsolate Greb fans that you and your compatriots have abused so ruthlessly with your "Greater Calzaghe Co-Prosperity Sphere". :|

I don't personally understand how you can be a loyal fan of a fighter that you have never even seen a full fight of.:yep

[Amsterdam]

Careers dont end when you lose amsterdam. He is very much a force and IMO will be back and better than ever.

Just Ask Wlad Klitschko

What are some ways that Taylor could bow out honourably to avoid further starchings against the better crop at SMW?

[Amsterdam]

If i was Taylor, I would retire with my health intact and millions in the bank and just live off the fat of the land..

What are some ways that Taylor can bow out honourably?

[jopez707]

This is the stupidest thread I have read on these boards in some times, even worse than some that the Pac nut huggers post. Taylor was a very good champion he beat the man and then took on the most avoided fighter in boxing (at the time) and then beat 2 154 lb champs, before taking on the number 1 contender. What more do you want?

[Amsterdam]

This is the stupidest thread I have read on these boards in some times, even worse than some that the Pac nut huggers post. Taylor was a very good champion he beat the man and then took on the most avoided fighter in boxing (at the time) and then beat 2 154 lb champs, before taking on the number 1 contender. What more do you want?

Now in hindsight, I want to know ways that Taylor can honourably bow out, if he does not want to get starched by the superior competition at SMW.

[Caliboxing]

Will you be saying that Kessler should retire if the fight with Calzaghe was close but he got tko'd late.

[Amsterdam]

Will you be saying that Kessler should retire if the fight with Calzaghe was close but he got tko'd late.

Kessler has the tools to last a long time.

By the way, what are some honourable ways that Taylor can bow out?

[Caliboxing]

I don't know about that. If he gets dominated by Calzaghe, his time at the top is likely over.

[JAM Killer]

Jermain is in a bind, I do not think he will ever beat Pavlik, I see the top guys at SWM beating him, and him also lossing at LHW. It doesn't look good for him, but he is rich, so it ain't that bad, he had his time.

[Amsterdam]

I don't know about that. If he gets dominated by Calzaghe, his time at the top is likely over.

Not a chance, most fighters around the weight would get dominated by Calzaghe. I think he'll be somewhat competitive.

By the way, the level of class between Calzaghe and Pavlik is not even comparable.

So back to topic...

[Amsterdam]

he can bow out by knocking you tfo with a jab!!!!!!!!

Amsterdam is not a professional boxer. What are some other ways that he can bow out honourably if he doesn't wish to get starched over and over again?

[Caliboxing]

Let's give JT another chance before we retire him. He deserves it.

[Amsterdam]

Let's give JT another chance before we retire him. He deserves it.

I agree, I wouldn't mind seeing him starched by a second tier SMW with a punch so it would seal the chapter fully. However, if he does not personally want this, back to the question of the day?

[Scar]

One loss and he has to retire?, how ridiclous is this shit? :patsch
Jermain is still young and he NEEDED that loss to wake up and start improving instead of fighting careless as he usually does, this loss could be a good thing, if it turns out to be a bad thing then I do agree that he's better off retired but it's just too early to judge, wait for him to fight again then we'll see. Please remember that this fight was HARDLY one-sided like the Calzaghe/Lacy fight for "RETIRE" shouts to rise, just incase you disagree watch the second round again.

[Caliboxing]

I am not gonna say that JT should bow out after only one tough loss. I wanna see if he can rebound from this and come back better.

[Caliboxing]

yup. and as much as i love pavlik lets not forget amsterdouche that this fight was very close regardless what the score cards said. oh yeah, and how about the fact that taylor knocked kelly down in the 2nd????????????? maybe we should list reasons you should bow out of esb for making such a stupid ass thread???????????



:good ...

[Scar]

yup. and as much as i love pavlik lets not forget amsterdouche that this fight was very close regardless what the score cards said. oh yeah, and how about the fact that taylor knocked kelly down in the 2nd????????????? maybe we should list reasons you should bow out of esb for making such a stupid ass thread???????????

Taylor didn't just knock Pavlik down he could've FINISHED him since Pavlik was OUT of it in that round, too bad Jermain isn't a good finisher or it would've been over that soon. I would agree with Amsterdam if it was one-sided from start to finish, like Calzaghe/Lacy but this wasn't even close to being one-sided. Taylor got caught, that simple, happens to everyone in boxing and there is no shame in it whatsoever. Oh, and if Taylor had a glass jaw he was also taking some powerful shots early, why wasn't he stopped earlier?. He didn't see the punch coming and it finished him off, hardly new in boxing and CAN be improved.

[Decker]

Haven't followed Amsterdam's posts re Taylor, but he seems to have called the outcome and is not exactly a fan of JT's :yep He is having a field day baiting everyone here.

Taylor didn't just knock Pavlik down he could've FINISHED him since Pavlik was OUT of it in that round, too bad Jermain isn't a good finisher or it would've been over that soon. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...
I would agree with Amsterdam if it was one-sided from start to finish, like Calzaghe/Lacy but this wasn't even close to being one-sided. Taylor got caught, that simple, happens to everyone in boxing and there is no shame in it whatsoever. Agree. But you have tons of posters on ESB who apply the same logic that Amsterdam is re Taylor to the Wald's, Lennox's, and others. Do you correct them as well?
Oh, and if Taylor had a glass jaw he was also taking some powerful shots early, why wasn't he stopped earlier?. He didn't see the punch coming and it finished him off, hardly new in boxing and CAN be improved. I don't think JT has a glass jaw either. Counterpoints: 1. he wasn't stopped earlier because the effect was - as it often is in boxing - cumulative; 2. in the 7th JT was shook up near the center of the ring before taking the big shot that drove him into the corner to be stopped. Did he ever take 2 such punches earlier? I'd have to review the fight, but don't think so; 3. lastly, I don't agree with posters that claim certain fighters have "glass" jaws. Most fighters have average jaws and if hit right or often enough will go down for a potential T/KO loss. Pavlik got up, steadied himself, and finished JT 5 rounds later.

[cross_trainer]

I don't personally understand how you can be a loyal fan of a fighter that you have never even seen a full fight of.:yep
I'm not, really...I don't like Greb very much.

How can you be a Calzaghe fan when you HAVE seen his fights? :hey

[achillesthegreat]

Since most of the best analysts on here agreed that SMW is just too much for him and if Pavlik exposes that suspect jaw that most of us see, then he'll only have so many avenue's for moderate success. If you get KOed by a B level guy who's nothing more than solid and willful just on pressure and hitting power, it definitley limits your range of what you can do.

So since Pavlik KOing Taylor is the most likely scenerio, what ways can Jermain Taylor honourably retire?

I say he has a rematch with Wright since Wright cannot punch and is near the end of his run as a top class operator and then win or lose cashes out and calls it a day, since he doesn't seem to enjoy fighting anyway.

It'd also help if he admitted where he was incorrect instead of just stuttering within an insecure pride stance, because the world knows all about Jermain Taylor.
More trash. You are becoming a spammer like Carlito.

[Shake]

I'm with Amsterdam in that I see very little possible routes for Taylor to enjoy success -- I don't think he'd be a major player at SMW.

[David UK]

He could always handpick an inferior opponent and go out on a high note. Calzaghe would do nicely.

He has already had the chance and turned it down!! Now Kessler gets the money instead

[David UK]

And by the way, a fully fit Lacy DESTROYS Jermain Taylor