View Full Version : Another Robert Helenius thread
Cachibatches
11-02-2009, 12:40 AM
Wow. According to Box Rec, the guy is booked to fight Bidenko in November and Brewster in December. That is ambitious. If he pulls this off, he is a top contender by the start of 2010. I give the man a lot of respect.
Sakura
11-02-2009, 05:19 AM
He is very good boxer. He has good size, power, skills and good speed in his size. I think his chin is also better than average.
He will win both fight TKO..
He is very good boxer. He has good size, power, skills and good speed in his size. I think his chin is also better than average.
He will win both fight TKO..
You are very optimistic,sakura!
Helenius certainly has talent,but he wasnt a really outstanding fighter at the amateurs.
Bidenko is a huge step up in class. I for one think that he wont pass this upcomming test successfully.
Pure madness to match him that bloodly toughly at this early stage of his career.
Helenius doesnt possess Boytsov's firepower so that ko victory for him isnt very likely.He has to outbox a desperated opponent for whom this upcomming fight is a true crossroard fight,the most important fight of his career.
In case Bidenko loses he is out of the game and like his compatriot Mazikin fights on small fight shows in his native Ukraine and now and then gets a fight against a rising young gun somewhere in europe or the states.
Bidenko has defeated quite a handful of fighters with good names in his career.He is the more experienced fighter,has been in a big fights against really good opposition.Helenius' best scalp? Gammer?
Helenius will have to pull all his socks up and put his best foot forward in order to be victorious over Bidenko.
Sakura
11-02-2009, 10:07 AM
You are very optimistic,sakura!
Helenius certainly has talent,but he wasnt a really outstanding fighter at the amateurs.
Bidenko is a huge step up in class. I for one think that he wont pass this upcomming test successfully.
Pure madness to match him that bloodly toughly at this early stage of his career.
Helenius doesnt possess Boytsov's firepower so that ko victory for him isnt very likely.He has to outbox a desperated opponent for whom this upcomming fight is a true crossroard fight,the most important fight of his career.
In case Bidenko loses he is out of the game and like his compatriot Mazikin fights on small fight shows in his native Ukraine and now and then gets a fight against a rising young gun somewhere in europe or the states.
Bidenko has defeated quite a handful of fighters with good names in his career.He is the more experienced fighter,has been in a big fights against really good opposition.Helenius' best scalp? Gammer?
Helenius will have to pull all his socks up and put his best foot forward in order to be victorious over Bidenko.
In my opinion you will be surprised how easily Helenius will beat Bidenko, who is technically skilled boxer - but lacks real power. Helenius do it more easier than Boystov:deal
Helenius was good amateur, but nothing specially. I would say some very good amateurs like Povetkin, Boystov and couple else they don't go as far as Helenius. Their all abilies are good except size..they are just too small to be competite against Klitchkos, Fury or Helenius...
Artani
11-02-2009, 11:30 AM
Helenius its not very good. You cant compare with sone of good like Povetkin, Solis !
The guy is good but nothing special...Saurland dont care about his future and will put in ring with Bidenko and Brewster. Also I think that Bidenko and Brewster they are not soo good like before, they are shot for that Saurland dont care , thats it.
Toney
11-04-2009, 07:18 PM
Helenius its not very good. You cant compare with sone of good like Povetkin, Solis !
The guy is good but nothing special...Saurland dont care about his future and will put in ring with Bidenko and Brewster. Also I think that Bidenko and Brewster they are not soo good like before, they are shot for that Saurland dont care , thats it.
By the way, do you know who is now a sparring partner of Helenius?
Luan Krasniqi
I am sure that Helenius will easilly beat Bindenko. But in the fure Sauerland needs to get way better sparring partners for Helenius...
Vysotsky
11-04-2009, 07:31 PM
In my opinion you will be surprised how easily Helenius will beat Bidenko, who is technically skilled boxer - but lacks real power. Helenius do it more easier than Boystov:deal
I'll make sure to post on this thread after the fight, let you take a second look at these remarks.:hi:
In my opinion you will be surprised how easily Helenius will beat Bidenko, who is technically skilled boxer - but lacks real power. Helenius do it more easier than Boystov:deal
Helenius was good amateur, but nothing specially. I would say some very good amateurs like Povetkin, Boystov and couple else they don't go as far as Helenius. Their all abilies are good except size..they are just too small to be competite against Klitchkos, Fury or Helenius...
Props to Helenius in case he is victorious!:good
As I said I for one think that he has too much on his plate with Bidenko who has to win this upcomming fight very badly!
AttilaHun
11-05-2009, 01:20 PM
At least betting company PAF [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) is really trusting in Helenius! The odds are 1,45-20,00-2,65 in favour of Finnish boxer!
This is very risky fight for Helenius but of course he has to be successful in this step-up fight if targetting on titles!
antcull
11-05-2009, 03:28 PM
Hope we get to see Helenius-Bidenko on the Sky PPV.
Most interesting undercard fight for me :good
Sakura
11-05-2009, 04:05 PM
Props to Helenius in case he is victorious!:good
As I said I for one think that he has too much on his plate with Bidenko who has to win this upcomming fight very badly!
I'm very disappoited if Helenius can't outbox and later round's KO or TKO Bidenko..and i dont say Bidenko is bad at all..his just too feather fisted and china chinned to get shots from Helenius.
Helenius fighting skills are underrated hardly by many
Artani
11-05-2009, 06:08 PM
By the way, do you know who is now a sparring partner of Helenius?
Luan Krasniqi
I am sure that Helenius will easilly beat Bindenko. But in the fure Sauerland needs to get way better sparring partners for Helenius...
Helenius will beat both of them and will be ranked high in the ratings. He cant be world champion never, he is european level. He cant compare with Povetkin, Boytsov or Solis.
Vysotsky
11-05-2009, 06:36 PM
I'm very disappoited if Helenius can't outbox and later round's KO or TKO Bidenko..and i dont say Bidenko is bad at all..his just too feather fisted and china chinned to get shots from Helenius.
Helenius fighting skills are underrated hardly by many
China chinned? christ, the guy stood toe to toe with Virchis for 12 rounds.
Sakura
11-05-2009, 07:59 PM
China chinned? christ, the guy stood toe to toe with Virchis for 12 rounds.
How many clear punch he take it? Not many...Virchis is very limited boxer ans also slow.
Cachibatches
11-05-2009, 11:04 PM
Helenius will beat both of them and will be ranked high in the ratings. He cant be world champion never, he is european level. He cant compare with Povetkin, Boytsov or Solis.
Euro level is world level these days.
Wäiski
11-07-2009, 03:33 PM
Robert Helenius WTKO4 Bidenko. The fight was stopped due to Bidenko's cut.
Rock0052
11-07-2009, 03:42 PM
Anybody see how Helenius looked up to that point?
Wäiski
11-07-2009, 03:44 PM
Anybody see how Helenius looked up to that point?
He was dominating the fight. That's all I know.
Mendoza
11-07-2009, 04:22 PM
Huge win for Helenius
Cachibatches
11-07-2009, 05:20 PM
He's half there. You have to admire this man.
kenmore
11-08-2009, 01:24 AM
China chinned? christ, the guy stood toe to toe with Virchis for 12 rounds.
Are you sure they stood toe-to-toe? My impression is that Bidenko boxed Virchis. Either way, Bidenko doesn't have a soft chin.
Armo_Ruski
11-08-2009, 01:48 AM
never seen this guy before tonight. me and my father were both extremly impressed by him. easily dismantled bidenko who i have much respect for. if this kid continues on this pace. he easily woulda beaten valuev and haye IMHO. has all the tools needed. uses his size exceptionally well and quick head movement for such a big dude!
Anybody see how Helenius looked up to that point?
I twice watched Helenius vs Bidenko yesterday evening-once on Argentinian tv and once on German tv.
Helenius showed a pretty convincing performance smartly taking advantage of his size and his superior firepower without taking any unnecessary risks.
The first round was close,but Helenius did enough to win it.
Helenius totally dominated Bidenko in round 2 and 3.
Bidenko had to take some very telling shots,but I for one dont think that either fighter would have scored a premature victory if Bidenko hadnt suffered that nasty cut due to which the ref stopped the fight.
Anyway! Bidenko shoud really think everything over and call it a day! According to the German tv commentator he doesnt have a contract with Kohl anymore.
After yesterday's performance he wont come across any attractive fight offers for a very long time.
As for Helenius he seems to be on a roll. He is big,has pop in his fists,seems to have improved a lot under the command of that grumpy old German coach Wegner,and is still a very young fighter.
I am looking forward to his encounter with Lamon Brewster.I am still not 100% sold on him,but I now consider him to be one of the more promising young guns at the big boys' league.
Bidenko is a good name in Helenius' fight record!
Rock0052
11-08-2009, 05:27 PM
I twice watched Helenius vs Bidenko yesterday evening-once on Argentinian tv and once on German tv.
Helenius showed a pretty convincing performance smartly taking advantage of his size and his superior firepower without taking any unnecessary risks.
The first round was close,but Helenius did enough to win it.
Helenius totally dominated Bidenko in round 2 and 3.
Bidenko had to take some very telling shots,but I for one dont think that either fighter would have scored a premature victory if Bidenko hadnt suffered that nasty cut due to which the ref stopped the fight.
Anyway! Bidenko shoud really think everything over and call it a day! According to the German tv commentator he doesnt have a contract with Kohl anymore.
After yesterday's performance he wont come across any attractive fight offers for a very long time.
As for Helenius he seems to be on a roll. He is big,has pop in his fists,seems to have improved a lot under the command of that grumpy old German coach Wegner,and is still a very young fighter.
I am looking forward to his encounter with Lamon Brewster.I am still not 100% sold on him,but I now consider him to be one of the more promising young guns at the big boys' league.
Bidenko is a good name in Helenius' fight record!
Thanks for the summary Odo! :thumbsup
Helenius is a solid fighter, he's improved a lot from his first few fights where I thought the guy was a no-hoper as a pro.
He's now using his size very well, he does the basics well as far as having a good jab and reasonable defence.
Down sides are he's not a natural athlete, he's not the best mover in the world, he's very statue like and tight, he's not hugely quick but not slow as far as handspeed. Telegraphs a few punches and slaps a few too, I'd prefer him keep his punch technique tight as he is perfectly capable of.
Overall I think he's a worthy addition to the European scene but I don't see the next great Nordic heavyweight to match Ingemar Johansson in him, thats for sure.
Helenius is a solid fighter, he's improved a lot from his first few fights where I thought the guy was a no-hoper as a pro.
He's now using his size very well, he does the basics well as far as having a good jab and reasonable defence.
Down sides are he's not a natural athlete, he's not the best mover in the world, he's very statue like and tight, he's not hugely quick but not slow as far as handspeed. Telegraphs a few punches and slaps a few too, I'd prefer him keep his punch technique tight as he is perfectly capable of.
Overall I think he's a worthy addition to the European scene but I don't see the next great Nordic heavyweight to match Ingemar Johansson in him, thats for sure.
Yep! He is still pretty stiff and predictable,but he seems to be better than I thought before.
Cant remember it anymore but wasnt he knocked out by the German Koeber at the amateurs?
I guess his chin will be tested against Brewster,but if Olokoun could beat the American vet,so can Helenius.
Sakura
11-09-2009, 09:44 AM
Robert Helenius amateur record
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
Flea Man
11-09-2009, 09:54 AM
He was plodding and boring the other night. He's going nowhere.
bodhi
11-09-2009, 10:31 AM
He was plodding and boring the other night. He's going nowhere.
Well, he said that he just became a father and didn´t have his head and heart in the fight.
Sakura
11-09-2009, 10:41 AM
He was plodding and boring the other night. He's going nowhere.
He probably give's David Haye more than Haye can handle
He probably give's David Haye more than Haye can handle
Very much doubt that. Too robotic and lacking fluidity. He'd get knocked out in a few rounds at the level he's at right now.
Sakura
11-09-2009, 05:04 PM
Very much doubt that. Too robotic and lacking fluidity. He'd get knocked out in a few rounds at the level he's at right now.
I dont think so. Klitchkos are only one which i give cleard edge right now. Brewster fights so us more clearly his real level..
Klitschko's are the only ones you'd clearly favour over Helenius? Are you smoking something serious? Damn I'd love to get on the Nordic Nightmare bandwagon but he ain't THAT good. He's solid and thats it.
Sakura
11-09-2009, 08:45 PM
Klitschko's are the only ones you'd clearly favour over Helenius? Are you smoking something serious? Damn I'd love to get on the Nordic Nightmare bandwagon but he ain't THAT good. He's solid and thats it.
Matter of opinion. Time will tell us which one is right
Matter of opinion. Time will tell us which one is right
Indeed. I hope you turn out to be right and I turn out to be badly wrong, it would be awesome to see a top Nordic heavy. Unfortunately I think I'm going to be reminding you of this :lol:
Sakura
11-09-2009, 09:29 PM
Indeed. I hope you turn out to be right and I turn out to be badly wrong, it would be awesome to see a top Nordic heavy. Unfortunately I think I'm going to be reminding you of this :lol:
As well as:yep
Sakura
11-11-2009, 05:54 AM
Brewster fight is cancelled because Helenius had hand injury
Artani
11-11-2009, 10:00 PM
I watch Helenius with Bidenko. He looks fantastic, I think he find himself in the pro box. He is hard puncher like a Virchis. The only bad think of him is that he cant move fast. He needs to work in that way, movement is importent for one fighter and Helenius must do that if he wants to be big fighter in future ....
Brewster fight is cancelled because Helenius had hand injury
Bah, that sucks. That was a great chance for Helenius. Hopefully it can still happen.
Cachibatches
11-11-2009, 11:41 PM
Bah, that sucks. That was a great chance for Helenius. Hopefully it can still happen.
I knew it was too good to be true. Can't fault the man for a hand injury.
Unfortuantely, Pianeta is taking the fight agaisnt Brewster. Pianeta has been fighting some good competetion lately, and I have nothing agaisnt him, but his high end just doesn't seem that high. Hope he proved me wrong.
I knew it was too good to be true. Can't fault the man for a hand injury.
Unfortuantely, Pianeta is taking the fight agaisnt Brewster. Pianeta has been fighting some good competetion lately, and I have nothing agaisnt him, but his high end just doesn't seem that high. Hope he proved me wrong.
Oh yeah, I heard last night Pianeta was fighting Brewer..for some reason it didn't register that Helenius must be out :huh
To be honest I'm not sure anybody needs a high end to beat Brewster these days. Not unless he turns up in a lot better form than recently. Main worry for Pianeta is he likes to stand there and soak up the shots, not really ideal against a dynamite puncher, and I'm sure Brewster still has that at least. Still...if I had to put my money on it I think Pianeta might eek out a decision, he's pretty solid as a fighter, nothing spectacular but doesn't do anything stupid either, and he's a big solid man.
I watch Helenius with Bidenko. He looks fantastic, I think he find himself in the pro box. He is hard puncher like a Virchis. The only bad think of him is that he cant move fast. He needs to work in that way, movement is importent for one fighter and Helenius must do that if he wants to be big fighter in future ....
I somehow doubt that Helenius has as much pop in his fists as has Virchis,but he for sure is the better boxer of this pair:good
Mazallan
11-18-2009, 01:19 PM
Gutted for Helenius to miss the Brewter fight with an injury. Robert has looked good so far in his career and will only get better. I think he can become a contender in the division but will need to be special to grab a title.
Pianeta is a fraud so real shame he gets the Brewster fight.
vBulletin® v3.8.0, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.