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Superheavyweight
09-22-2007, 12:59 PM
Here are the top 5 WBC heavyweight rankings:

1. - Samuel Peter (Nigeria) NABF
2. - Vladimir Virchis (Ukraine) EBU
3. - Oliver McCall (US) INTL
4. - Hasim Rahman (US) NABF/Interim
5. - Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba) LATINO

Rahman has had his chance, he’s already been beaten twice by the current champ.

McCall has already been beaten by Gomez, and there scheduled to meet again so he’s due another schooling, he may have the greatest chin of all time, but he’s nothing in terms of skill against the Cuban slick southpaw.

Virchis is worthy I guess, but Gomez is far more talented.

Why the fuck should McCall get another crack when Gomez already schooled him?

Rahman has had his chance, give someone else a go.

McCall is the WBC international heavyweight champion and Gomez would have beaten him twice.

Give the former WBC cruiserweight champion his crack at becoming a 2 weight champ!

Gomez UD 12

brooklyn1550
09-22-2007, 01:02 PM
Peter by KO

Zakman
09-22-2007, 01:11 PM
Peter destroys Gomez.

Grabonator
09-22-2007, 04:21 PM
Peter by KO or Gomez on points. Gomez is a verry good boxer but to me Peter is the slight favourite to knock Gomez out. Peter is so much physicall bigger and stronger. Im a fan of both fighters though and hope they dont fight each other.

Superheavyweight
09-22-2007, 04:24 PM
This fight should happen; ESB think it’s a 50/50 fight.

Rahman; McCall and Virchis would all get outclassed by Peter.

box03
09-22-2007, 04:30 PM
Gomez dont got the name Rahman or Mccall has, who wants to see a blown up cruiser fight Peter anyway. Theres alot more interesting fights that could be made other than Gomez/Peter, Rahman or Mccall would be way more exciting for fight fans.

NBT
09-22-2007, 04:51 PM
Tough call, I agree it's 50/50. Considering Peter's ridiculous "skills" almost any contender has a chance to outpoint him, Gomez has easily the abilty to do that. But Gomez is the kind of guy who can get lazy any minute of the fight and if he gets caught flush it's probably over.
Rahman or Mccall would be way more exciting for fight fans.
WTF are you talking about? Gomez-Peter is much more intrguing than a match with Rahman or McCall, Rahman was exposed numerous times as the joke he is and McCall has no ambitions anymore, he just sticks around for the pay day.
Rahman; McCall and Virchis would all get outclassed by Peter.
:lol: Sam Peter doesn't outclass anyone. You know who we're talking about? :yep

box03
09-22-2007, 05:01 PM
Honestly most people never even seen Gomez fight, hes rarely on television and doesnt have name thats recognizable to the general public like Rahman or Mccall. Gomez poses almost zero threat of knocking Peter out and thats what most people want to see, god forbid he would out point Peter we might have another boring fighter like Chris Bryd was champion. NBT as far as Mccalls ambition the man wants to fight whoever they put infront of him, and over the last couple years hes wanted of the dedicated heavywieghts out there. And would also like to see if Peter can knockout the iron chinned Mccall, it would be an awsome feat if he could.

Sakura
09-22-2007, 05:16 PM
Tough call, I agree it's 50/50. Considering Peter's ridiculous "skills" almost any contender has a chance to outpoint him, Gomez has easily the abilty to do that. But Gomez is the kind of guy who can get lazy any minute of the fight and if he gets caught flush it's probably over.

WTF are you talking about? Gomez-Peter is much more intrguing than a match with Rahman or McCall, Rahman was exposed numerous times as the joke he is and McCall has no ambitions anymore, he just sticks around for the pay day.

:lol: Sam Peter doesn't outclass anyone. You know who we're talking about? :yep

Agree

Cruiser1
09-22-2007, 08:02 PM
Gomez is a volume puncher so he could put some rounds in the bank while Peter gets settled but in the end he won't be able to keep him off for 12 rounds.

swedeone
09-22-2007, 10:26 PM
Agree


He outclassed and completely outboxed one of the slickest guys in the history of the sport in James Toney. Hello??? :huh

Yeahh yeahh I know I know... Toney was old... Toney was fat... he's a middleweight... blah blah blah. Bottom line is that Peter won in a fashion no one thought he would and that's saying something for Sam.

Marciano Frazier
09-22-2007, 11:07 PM
I'll favor Peter, but if Gomez is focused and in shape, he should have a very serious chance at coasting past him and winning a UD.

anut
09-22-2007, 11:40 PM
I WOULD ROOT FOR PETER..........BUT GOMEZ IS A SLICK SOUTH PAW.....IF I HAD TO PUT MONEY IT WOULD BE ON GOMEZ 12 RD DEC....EASILY:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

The Kurgan
09-22-2007, 11:46 PM
Gomez shouldn't get a shot, because his "win" over McCall was done on drugs. I think anyone who is proven to have used drugs as a pro or amateur should be disqualified from boxing for titles; it'd be an effective deterrant.

Marciano Frazier
09-22-2007, 11:49 PM
Gomez shouldn't get a shot, because his "win" over McCall was done on drugs. I think anyone who is proven to have used drugs as a pro or amateur should be disqualified from boxing for titles; it'd be an effective deterrant. Yes, but it was cocaine, not steroids. Not that I condone cocaine use, but it wasn't a performance-enhancer(though I'm unsure just how cocaine might effect one's showing in a boxing match).

brooklyn1550
09-22-2007, 11:51 PM
Too often, I see people writing ________ by easy UD when it comes to facing Samuel Peter. But this guy is going to be trouble for any heavyweight out there.

box03
09-22-2007, 11:52 PM
Too often, I see people writing ________ by easy UD when it comes to facing Samuel Peter. But this guy is going to be trouble for any heavyweight out there. 100 % true, theres not many Heavywieghts out there whos heavyhanded with a great chin aside from Tua.

Grabonator
09-23-2007, 01:08 AM
Tough call, I agree it's 50/50. Considering Peter's ridiculous "skills" almost any contender has a chance to outpoint him, Gomez has easily the abilty to do that. But Gomez is the kind of guy who can get lazy any minute of the fight and if he gets caught flush it's probably over.

WTF are you talking about? Gomez-Peter is much more intrguing than a match with Rahman or McCall, Rahman was exposed numerous times as the joke he is and McCall has no ambitions anymore, he just sticks around for the pay day.

:lol: Sam Peter doesn't outclass anyone. You know who we're talking about? :yep

First of all Rahman is no joke, hes far better than a joke. And if McCall is only hanging around for the money why is he in such a great shape and in his best shape since years?? The guys is dead serious! He has great work ethic and he wants to do something, Gomez is the one whos lazy and propably only fighting for the money, as sad as it is! Hes the one who lacks the desire!! I think you are a bit weird? And about Peter, 9i think you underrate his boxing abilities a bit! he cant move like Ali and with his build that doesnt suprise me but the guy is talented and is improving his skills. And he can be pretty fast if he wants to.

Grabonator
09-23-2007, 01:15 AM
I'll favor Peter, but if Gomez is focused and in shape, he should have a very serious chance at coasting past him and winning a UD.

Hes far away from the shape he could be in and needs to be in to be at 100%. In recent pictures it looks he has gained weight again since his last fight.

Cruiser1
09-23-2007, 02:31 AM
Too often, I see people writing ________ by easy UD when it comes to facing Samuel Peter. But this guy is going to be trouble for any heavyweight out there.

I'm sure that if u look hard enough u'll see that it's the same people filling in that blank line every time. Peter is gonna be a handful or anyone. Maskaev figured this out and jumped ship.

BoxingGuru
09-23-2007, 06:58 AM
I WOULD ROOT FOR PETER..........BUT GOMEZ IS A SLICK SOUTH PAW.....IF I HAD TO PUT MONEY IT WOULD BE ON GOMEZ 12 RD DEC....EASILY:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

I'm rooting for your capslock key.

RUSKULL
09-23-2007, 07:23 AM
Rahman beat Toney before Peter did, so there goes the theory that Peter all of a sudden became a master boxer.

JCG should be able to outpoint Peter but then again JCG was KO'd early by Yankme Diaz who Peter chased around the ring and KO'd.

Hard to pick a winner here, I'll say that Peter catches up to Gomez eventually for the KO.

Peter by KO early to mid rounds

Ambition_Def
09-23-2007, 07:34 AM
Rahman beat Toney before Peter did, so there goes the theory that Peter all of a sudden became a master boxer.

JCG should be able to outpoint Peter but then again JCG was KO'd early by Yankme Diaz who Peter chased around the ring and KO'd.

Hard to pick a winner here, I'll say that Peter catches up to Gomez eventually for the KO.

Peter by KO early to mid rounds

Rahman didn't beat Toney nearly as bad as Peter did.

Rahman could not figure out to throw the right hand as Toney was fully extened into his bend either. He is not as smart as Samuel Peter in the ring. Rahman also does not have much of a left hook, which is the second weapon you would use on a guy like Toney as he is entering that bend.

After 12 rounds Sam Peter had Toney figured out.

I suppose it's only fair to say that maybe Rahman would have figured out Toney in 24 rounds as well, but who knows. Rahman still has never had the offensive arsenal that Sam Peter has shown in his short career.

As far as Gomez is concerned, he has a hard time staying focused on boxing. When he is boxing and moving he is very good. But against Diaz he got careless and started to trade with Diaz. And that is how he got knocked silly.

Little do people realise too that Gomez boxed Sinan Sam's ears off something silly. If he stayed focus he'd give Sam Peter a very hard time as Sam would have trouble pinching him in corners. Gomez is very good on his feet.

It would take some rough housing on the part of Sam Peter to catch Gomez. Or he could try and play the jab game but against a determined Gomez that could be difficult.

As shocking as this may seem I see an opportunity here for Gomez to win.

RUSKULL
09-23-2007, 08:01 AM
Rahman didn't beat Toney nearly as bad as Peter did.

Rahman could not figure out to throw the right hand as Toney was fully extened into his bend either. He is not as smart as Samuel Peter in the ring. Rahman also does not have much of a left hook, which is the second weapon you would use on a guy like Toney as he is entering that bend.

After 12 rounds Sam Peter had Toney figured out.

I suppose it's only fair to say that maybe Rahman would have figured out Toney in 24 rounds as well, but who knows. Rahman still has never had the offensive arsenal that Sam Peter has shown in his short career.

As far as Gomez is concerned, he has a hard time staying focused on boxing. When he is boxing and moving he is very good. But against Diaz he got careless and started to trade with Diaz. And that is how he got knocked silly.

Little do people realise too that Gomez boxed Sinan Sam's ears off something silly. If he stayed focus he'd give Sam Peter a very hard time as Sam would have trouble pinching him in corners. Gomez is very good on his feet.

It would take some rough housing on the part of Sam Peter to catch Gomez. Or he could try and play the jab game but against a determined Gomez that could be difficult.

As shocking as this may seem I see an opportunity here for Gomez to win.

It's a tough call to make either way, I just don't see Gomez knocking Peter out or Peter winning a decision without the help of a few knockdowns.

I don't see Peter jabbing his way inside against a superior jabber in Gomez.

SSS is slower than molasses, he makes Peter look fast. This is why I don't rate JCG's victory over SSS that highly when concidering how a Peter vs. Gomez match would go.

I'd say the chance for a Peter win by KO is 65% to a Gomez win by decision at 35%.

Blacc Jesus
09-23-2007, 08:03 AM
Peter takes this one.

Sakura
09-23-2007, 08:04 AM
He outclassed and completely outboxed one of the slickest guys in the history of the sport in James Toney. Hello??? :huh

Yeahh yeahh I know I know... Toney was old... Toney was fat... he's a middleweight... blah blah blah. Bottom line is that Peter won in a fashion no one thought he would and that's saying something for Sam.

Toney is overrated..i'll take Gomez UD

Ambition_Def
09-23-2007, 08:05 AM
It's a tough call to make either way, I just don't see Gomez knocking Peter out or Peter winning a decision without the help of a few knockdowns.

I don't see Peter jabbing his way inside against a superior jabber in Gomez.

SSS is slower than molasses, he makes Peter look fast. This is why I don't rate JCG's victory over SSS that highly when concidering how a Peter vs. Gomez match would go.

I'd say the chance for a Peter win by KO is 65% to a Gomez win by decision at 35%.

I agree with you about Sinan's foot and hand speed. He is terribly slow. Which is why I could not forsee Gomez beating Sam Peter that badly.

But people today really underrate Gomez based on his loss to Yanqui Diaz. Sam would have his hands full with Gomez in my estimation. Considering Diaz got him with a right hand though you have to give Sam Peter as much chance if not more. I like to believe he is faster than Diaz and put together much better.

I'm still not sold on it but I'll take Sam Peter by decision. His speed and power may be enough to put Gomez into survival mode.

Orang-Utan Jim
09-23-2007, 08:09 AM
Gomez is one of the most underrated fighters out there. If he is focused (lazy Cuban) he is a very tough nut. Technically he is Top5 or maybe even Top3 in the division.

Gomez wins that one via UD (8-4)

ApatheticLeader
09-23-2007, 08:17 AM
Gomez is one of the most underrated fighters out there. If he is focused (lazy Cuban) he is a very tough nut. Technically he is Top5 or maybe even Top3 in the division.

Gomez wins that one via UD (8-4)
Fact. I think Gomez wins by about the same decision. He's even an under-rated puncher (not that he hits hard enough to KO the iron chinned Peter - but hard enough for Peter to feel it).

Amsterdam
09-23-2007, 08:30 AM
Gomez is not underrated, he's highly overrated. Peter however, is underrated, some feel he's a totally unskilled brute, like Vladimir Virchis is, this is simply not a fact and shows the attentiveness of most boxing fans to be not very impressive.

Peter KO, in 5 or less.

Irländsk
09-23-2007, 08:41 AM
I am also of the opinion that Gomez is overrated, I've never been impressed by his work in the ring, he has never utilized his skills, i.e. jab, footwork, handspeed, to his advantage, he seldom throws combinations which with his speed would be his biggest asset. He is very lazy, just jabs, lazy left cross and move. He could never hurt Sam Peter and thus wouldn't be able to keep him at a distance. I could really see Peter knocking him out inside 5 rounds.

Amsterdam
09-23-2007, 08:57 AM
I am also of the opinion that Gomez is overrated, I've never been impressed by his work in the ring, he has never utilized his skills, i.e. jab, footwork, handspeed, to his advantage, he seldom throws combinations which with his speed would be his biggest asset. He is very lazy, just jabs, lazy left cross and move. He could never hurt Sam Peter and thus wouldn't be able to keep him at a distance. I could really see Peter knocking him out inside 5 rounds.

:good

sinan58
09-23-2007, 09:00 AM
Juan Carlos Gomez will KO Peter 5. Raund.

RUSKULL
09-23-2007, 10:48 AM
Juan Carlos Gomez will KO Peter 5. Raund.

:lol:

jaycuban
09-23-2007, 10:54 AM
never bet against a cuban

Ambition_Def
09-23-2007, 10:58 AM
never bet against a cuban

If this were the amateurs I may agree with you.

But Bowe's ass whooping of Jorge luis Gonzalez is still fresh in my mind.

NBT
09-23-2007, 12:50 PM
Gomez is not underrated, he's highly overrated. Peter however, is underrated, some feel he's a totally unskilled brute, like Vladimir Virchis is, this is simply not a fact and shows the attentiveness of most boxing fans to be not very impressive.
Virchis and Peters skills are about the same level, that's one of the reasons why this match would be intriguing. Gomez is overrated now, I agree, he is not as good as in his heydays as a Cruiser anymore but he is still FAR superior in skill to the likes of Sam Peter. Peter on the other hand gets overrated by some people, it's ridiculious. I guess if he beats another old, slow, over the hill guy in McCall (which is exactly the type of boxer Peter can look good against) the hype starts again and we are back at "Peter will knock Wlad out with the first punch of the fight". People never learn. :nut

Superheavyweight
09-23-2007, 04:46 PM
C’mon Gomez lovers and Peter haters, we need more votes for the Cuban to make this fight a possibility and credible.

Max Molyneux
09-23-2007, 05:16 PM
It took Peter 2 attempts to beat an out shape Cruiserweight In Toney, he might win by KO but he will be behind on the cards.

Axe
09-23-2007, 08:51 PM
It all depends on which Gomez shows up. He has the skills.

Superheavyweight
10-07-2007, 12:19 PM
:bbb

bumdujour
10-07-2007, 12:21 PM
gomez got no chin. peter knocks him out bad.

Artani
10-07-2007, 01:14 PM
The fight will not come because McCall will kick his ass and will be next mandator.

Superheavyweight
10-07-2007, 01:24 PM
The fight will not come because McCall will kick his ass and will be next mandator.Yea… because it happened the first time didn’t it.