Hatton v Mayweather

[toffeejack]

My first post on here, (although I browse regularly). Just thought I'd add my thoughts to this fight. I've been following boxing for 15 years now so I like to think I sort of know what I'm talking about :)

First off, Mayweather is without doubt the deserved Number 1 P4P fighter in the world. The guy is an amazing boxing technician with incredible relexes, speed and skills and the resume to back it all up.

However I believe there are far too many people (including a lot on this forum) that think the guy is invincible. He certainly is not.

As viewed by previous fights (most noticeably the Castillo fight), the guy does NOT like pressure fighters. You stand off him and try to out-box him you get murdered it's that simple. NOBODY in that division outboxes Floyd Mayweather. PERIOD.

But I believe that Ricky Hatton at his best is the best at what he does. Constant pressure for 12 rounds with VERY underrated boxing skills
and fantastic stamina and workrate is Mayweathers worst nightmare. Trust me, Mayweather will NOT have faced anything like the pressure that Hatton will throw at him, I don't think he will be able to handle it for 12 rounds if Hatton is at the top of his game.

This will be an amazing fight (very possibly fight of the year), with Hatton winning in either a late stoppage or points decision as he will murder Floyd in the last 4 rounds.

Mark my words ;)

[brooklyn1550]

Good 1st post...I respect your opinion, and it is not out of the question that Hatton wins. However, I find it so hard to pick against Floyd, so I will not pick against him here.

[Pimp C]

Hatton isn't a good pressure fighter anymore IMO he holds, wrestles and hits. A good pressure fighter is someone like a prime Jose Luis Castillo, who BTW had a good jab or Jesus Chavez. Hatton has short arms and doesn't have a jab to work behind to make it easier for him to get inside of and elite boxer like PBF and that will lead to his loss in this fight. He will be picked apart when the fight is at range and countered to death when he falls in. PBF is a stylistic nightmare for Hatton and anyone that knows boxing can see this. Ricky has ducked fighters that employ good movement and defense for a reason he needs someone to stand in front of him to work his magic and PBF won't do that very often. Also if Oscar who is bigger, stronger and better than Hatton couldn't walk through him what makes you think Hatton will? PBF by wide UD or late round TKO:deal It's really that simple.

[Toopretty]

My first post on here, (although I browse regularly). Just thought I'd add my thoughts to this fight. I've been following boxing for 15 years now so I like to think I sort of know what I'm talking about :)

First off, Mayweather is without doubt the deserved Number 1 P4P fighter in the world. The guy is an amazing boxing technician with incredible relexes, speed and skills and the resume to back it all up.

However I believe there are far too many people (including a lot on this forum) that think the guy is invincible. He certainly is not.

As viewed by previous fights (most noticeably the Castillo fight), the guy does NOT like pressure fighters. You stand off him and try to out-box him you get murdered it's that simple. NOBODY in that division outboxes Floyd Mayweather. PERIOD.

But I believe that Ricky Hatton at his best is the best at what he does. Constant pressure for 12 rounds with VERY underrated boxing skills
and fantastic stamina and workrate is Mayweathers worst nightmare. Trust me, Mayweather will NOT have faced anything like the pressure that Hatton will throw at him, I don't think he will be able to handle it for 12 rounds if Hatton is at the top of his game.

This will be an amazing fight (very possibly fight of the year), with Hatton winning in either a late stoppage or points decision as he will murder Floyd in the last 4 rounds.

Mark my words ;)

Well you seem to leave out how those pressure fighters applied pressure. And why Castillo was succesful the first fight. And I guess you forgot what happend to all the other pressure fighters floyd has been in the ring with. Castillo fights nothing like hatton. Castillos pressure did not give floyd trouble..it was his fighting posture of getting low under floyds jab in the Castillo/crouch and coming up with his left hooks and jabs and everything. Hatton fight tall on is toes with very little knee bending. He is an open target. Castillo in his prime was a better IN-fighter then Hatton. Floyd has no trouble with pressure fighters at all. Thats the biggest bullshit ever spewed on any boxing forum.

[Toopretty]

You followed boxing for 15 years but you are showing 6 months of education. If you seen hatton effectively beat up a slick boxer..then call me liar. I have seen Floyd effectively dismantle world class pressure fighters with more punching power then Hatton.

[Pimp C]

Well you seem to leave out how those pressure fighters applied pressure. And why Castillo was succesful the first fight. And I guess you forgot what happend to all the other pressure fighters floyd has been in the ring with. Castillo fights nothing like hatton. Castillos pressure did not give floyd trouble..it was his fighting posture of getting low under floyds jab in the Castillo/crouch and coming up with his left hooks and jabs and everything. Hatton fight tall on is toes with very little knee bending. He is an open target. Castillo in his prime was a better IN-fighter then Hatton. Floyd has no trouble with pressure fighters at all. Thats the biggest bullshit ever spewed on any boxing forum.
I agree people overstate that he has trouble with pressure fighters. PBF's worst mnatchup would be against a lanky southpaw with a good, jab, pop and stamina not a pressure fighter.:deal

[toffeejack]

Well you seem to leave out how those pressure fighters applied pressure. And why Castillo was succesful the first fight. And I guess you forgot what happend to all the other pressure fighters floyd has been in the ring with. Castillo fights nothing like hatton. Castillos pressure did not give floyd trouble..it was his fighting posture of getting low under floyds jab in the Castillo/crouch and coming up with his left hooks and jabs and everything. Hatton fight tall on is toes with very little knee bending. He is an open target. Castillo in his prime was a better IN-fighter then Hatton. Floyd has no trouble with pressure fighters at all. Thats the biggest bullshit ever spewed on any boxing forum.

One of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen on a boxing forum. Like I said, Floyd has not fought anyone like Hatton I don't care who you bring up. none of them (including Castillo) are anything like a top-form Ricky Hatton.

I guess we'll see who's right come December 8th.

[Toopretty]

Since when was Castillo classified a pressure fighter anyway...lol that cracks me up too. Castillo is a very good in-fighter..but he does not just pressure. He gets in behind a jab and does his work in close..Without clinching unless he is fighting a guy like mayweather where he has to hold and hit to get his shots off.

[Still~style]

sorry bra

[Toopretty]

One of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen on a boxing forum. Like I said, Floyd has not fought anyone like Hatton I don't care who you bring up. none of them (including Castillo) are anything like a top-form Ricky Hatton.

I guess we'll see who's right come December 8th.

If you think that is ignorant..lol I was being nice..this is me being watered down. Me saying floyd has no problem with pressure fighters. PROVE ME WRONG. I will love to see you do it..And show me the similarities of what Castillo did to be effective and what ODH did as to what hatton does in the ring. And I will prove to you that hatton is more like Ndou then the above mentioned fighters.

[Pimp C]

One of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen on a boxing forum. Like I said, Floyd has not fought anyone like Hatton I don't care who you bring up. none of them (including Castillo) are anything like a top-form Ricky Hatton.

I guess we'll see who's right come December 8th.
PBF has fought better pressure fighters than Hatton. Hatton has never fought a boxer as good as PBF or like him before. Hatton will find out when the bell rings what real speed, footwork, defense, stamina, ring generalship and accuracy is all about when the bell rings on Dec 8th....nothing he's seen in the ring before will prepare him for what he will face that night. Just ask your boy Oscar who said PBF was fast and hard to hit and he's far more accurate and a better fighter than Hatton can dream of.

[toffeejack]

If you think that is ignorant..lol I was being nice..this is me being watered down. Me saying floyd has no problem with pressure fighters. PROVE ME WRONG. I will love to see you do it..And show me the similarities of what Castillo did to be effective and what ODH did as to what hatton does in the ring. And I will prove to you that hatton is more like Ndou then the above mentioned fighters.

Ndou :lol:

Hatton is nothing like Ndou!

The most recent fight (ODH), he had Floyd against the ropes a number of times but didn't take advantage of it and ran out of steam in the last 3 or 4 rounds. A prime ODH would have gave Floyd a hell of a fight I've no doubt about that.

I can tell you something, Hatton will NOT run out of steam and will NOT let Floyd get away with a couple of ineffective body shots.

If Hatton gets Floyd against the ropes then Floyd will never have faced anything like it. Some people on here think he's invincible, he's looked anything but that in his last 3 fights.

Like I said, we'l see who's right come Dec 8th.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Well you seem to leave out how those pressure fighters applied pressure. And why Castillo was succesful the first fight. And I guess you forgot what happend to all the other pressure fighters floyd has been in the ring with. Castillo fights nothing like hatton. Castillos pressure did not give floyd trouble..it was his fighting posture of getting low under floyds jab in the Castillo/crouch and coming up with his left hooks and jabs and everything. Hatton fight tall on is toes with very little knee bending. He is an open target. Castillo in his prime was a better IN-fighter then Hatton. Floyd has no trouble with pressure fighters at all. Thats the biggest bullshit ever spewed on any boxing forum.

why don't you fucking grow up and come to terms with the fact that other people might have different opinions to yours.

[Pimp C]

Ndou :lol:

Hatton is nothing like Ndou!

The most recent fight (ODH), he had Floyd against the ropes a number of times but didn't take advantage of it and ran out of steam in the last 3 or 4 rounds. A prime ODH would have gave Floyd a hell of a fight I've no doubt about that.

I can tell you something, Hatton will NOT run out of steam and will NOT let Floyd get away with a couple of ineffective body shots.

If Hatton gets Floyd against the ropes then Floyd will never have faced anything like it. Some people on here think he's invincible, he's looked anything but that in his last 3 fights.

Like I said, we'l see who's right come Dec 8th.
Hatton hasn't looked good in his last 3 fights. Was out on his feet by feather-fisted Collazo and should have lost a decision. Was badly hurt to the body by a crude fighter in Urango. Beat a ghost of JLC.
Hatton will find out about educated body work when PBF hurts Hatton who is soft around the body and exploit Hatton for his lack of defense. He will also make him pay when he has no plan B when the grab, hold and hit doesn't work.:hi: Hatton is in for a long night come Dec 8 and he has no one to blame but himself he called PBF out now he must face the music.

[SKULLSPLITTER]

But I believe that Ricky Hatton at his best is the best at what he does. Constant pressure for 12 rounds with VERY underrated boxing skills
and fantastic stamina and workrate is Mayweathers worst nightmare.



He is definitely the best at what he does. I'll give you that. He's THE ABSOLUTE BEST at punching his way in to illegally hold and then punch his way out. He's also extraordinary at getting away with blatantly dirty tactics scot-free.

but the rest of this snippet is where your post fails.....

Hatton no longer has this extreme stamina and workrate you're mentioning (i.e. the Collazo and Urango fights)...and even if he still had it, Floyd has even better stamina, and a defense that would negate a constant workrate.

You also say Hatton has "VERY underrated Boxing skills"? No. It's not his Boxing skills that are underrated. It's his Grappling skills. When this cowardly and despicable style is utilized, without warnings or point deductions from refs mind you, he is going to be tough to beat...

UNLESS he's fighting Floyd Mayweather...whose skill set and styles are so pure, so technically sound, that they will overcome any and everything Hatton can bring...including, dare I say it, Mickey Vann and 3 British judges.

So in closing, I'm sorry, but this fight is a straight up mismatch. Hatton has a little more than The Puncher's Chance Gatti did.....

If any of you gamble, be smart. Bet with your head instead of your heart. Hatton's chances aren't greater just because you're British, or you hate Mayweather.

[sonny73]

God,you people really think Mayweather is unbeatable.He maybe the best around at the moment,MAYBE,but the gap between him and other top P4P boxers in the world today is only small.I'd like to see him fight outside his country before talking about greatness....by repeating how unbeatable he is doesn't really fool anyone apart from people who are fools already.

[Pimp C]

He is definitely the best at what he does. I'll give you that. He's THE ABSOLUTE BEST at punching his way in to illegally hold and then punch his way out. He's also extraordinary at getting away with blatantly dirty tactics scot-free.

but the rest of this snippet is where your post fails.....

Hatton no longer has this extreme stamina and workrate you're mentioning (i.e. the Collazo and Urango fights)...and even if he still had it, Floyd has even better stamina, and a defense that would negate a constant workrate.

You also say Hatton has "VERY underrated Boxing skills"? No. It's not his Boxing skills that are underrated. It's his Grappling skills. When this cowardly and despicable style is utilized, without warnings or point deductions from refs mind you, he is going to be tough to beat...

UNLESS he's fighting Floyd Mayweather...whose skill set and styles are so pure, so technically sound, that they will overcome any and everything Hatton can bring...including, dare I say it, Mickey Vann and 3 British judges.

So in closing, I'm sorry, but this fight is a straight up mismatch. Hatton has a little more than The Puncher's Chance Gatti did.....

If any of you gamble, be smart. Bet with your head instead of your heart. Hatton's chances aren't greater just because you're British, or you hate Mayweather.
Hatton is very dirty one thing that most won't bring up around here. He is the master of holding and hitting.:D Great post!:clap::clap:

[markbrooklyn]

God,you people really think Mayweather is unbeatable.He maybe the best around at the moment,MAYBE,but the gap between him and other top P4P boxers in the world today is only small.I'd like to see him fight outside his country before talking about greatness....by repeating how unbeatable he is doesn't really fool anyone apart from people who are fools already.

OUTSIDE of the country? Why would he do that? America is where all the best competition is. And not to mention the most money. It's the other way around.. People from other countries have to come to AMERICA to prove they're the best.. That's why Ricky Hatton is fighting here now :good

[Pimp C]

God,you people really think Mayweather is unbeatable.He maybe the best around at the moment,MAYBE,but the gap between him and other top P4P boxers in the world today is only small.I'd like to see him fight outside his country before talking about greatness....by repeating how unbeatable he is doesn't really fool anyone apart from people who are fools already.
He's not unbeatable its just that Hatton isn't the one to beat him he lacks what it takes.

[Claypole]

So in closing, I'm sorry, but this fight is a straight up mismatch. Hatton has a little more than The Puncher's Chance Gatti did.....
This may be true if Hatton was at the same level as Gatti. Truth is Hatton is way better than Gatti ever was. Plus the fact that Gatti was completely shot when he faced Mayweather.

I'm not saying Hatton will beat Mayweather, but to say it's a mismatch is not a very objective view.

[toffeejack]

This may be true if Hatton was at the same level as Gatti. Truth is Hatton is way better than Gatti ever was. Plus the fact that Gatti was completely shot when he faced Mayweather.

I'm not saying Hatton will beat Mayweather, but to say it's a mismatch is not a very objective view.

Exactly.

This is no mis-match and Ricky Hatton is certainly no Arturo Gatti, he's way ahead of him.

I think and hope Hatton will win but if he doesn't it will certainly be no easy ride for Mayweather. In fact it will be the toughest fight of his life.

[SKULLSPLITTER]

Thank you, Pimp.

and yes, I also didn't say he was unbeatable. Sonny must be feeling it after reading enough reality posts....lol

Paul Williams COULD make it happen. Maybe Mosley could pull it off...but Hatton?

Nahhhh.

[Danny Ocean]

Ndou :lol:

Hatton is nothing like Ndou!

The most recent fight (ODH), he had Floyd against the ropes a number of times but didn't take advantage of it and ran out of steam in the last 3 or 4 rounds. A prime ODH would have gave Floyd a hell of a fight I've no doubt about that.

I can tell you something, Hatton will NOT run out of steam and will NOT let Floyd get away with a couple of ineffective body shots.

If Hatton gets Floyd against the ropes then Floyd will never have faced anything like it. Some people on here think he's invincible, he's looked anything but that in his last 3 fights.

Like I said, we'l see who's right come Dec 8th..

welcome to esb

i disagree with you on several subjects

1. you say hatton will not run out of steam,he did against urango and collazo, and the castillo fight only went 4 rounds so we wont know,

2.you say if hatton gets mayweather he wont ever have seen anything like it, when hatton attacks fighters on the ropes there is no jab to setup the attack,he throws hooks to the body and uppercuts thus leaving himself wide open to counters which someone as fast and accurate as mayweather will play on

3.you said pbf has looked far from invincible in his last 3 fights, do you forget he is fighting 4weight classes above his best ,and in 1 case 5classes above ,hatton hasnt looked invincible in his last 3 either

i agree we will see whos right dec 8th

[Danny Ocean]

Thank you, Pimp.

and yes, I also didn't say he was unbeatable. Sonny must be feeling it after reading enough reality posts....lol

Paul Williams COULD make it happen. Maybe Mosley could pull it off...but Hatton?

Nahhhh.

paul williams couldnt even nearly make it happen

[SKULLSPLITTER]

This may be true if Hatton was at the same level as Gatti. Truth is Hatton is way better than Gatti ever was. Plus the fact that Gatti was completely shot when he faced Mayweather.

I'm not saying Hatton will beat Mayweather, but to say it's a mismatch is not a very objective view.

I'm being extremely objective and making an honest assessment on this matchup. Are you sure YOU'RE being objective, Claypool UK?

It's a mismatch.

Mayweather is bigger and faster with a longer reach. His offense is better. His defense is better. He has more experience against better opposition. What about The Cut Factor on Ricky's end?

The only think you can maybe give Ricky is The Chin Factor...thus The Puncher's Chance call.

Wait. You can give The Dirty Factor to Hatton as well...trying to cover everything here...lol

[SKULLSPLITTER]

paul williams couldnt even nearly make it happen

I would take Mayweather over Williams right now, but don't you agree he has a better chance of beating Mayweather than Hatton has?

I hope your answer is yes.

[Danny Ocean]

I would take Mayweather over Williams right now, but don't you agree he has a better chance of beating Mayweather than Hatton has?

I hope your answer is yes.

it depends i think williams is very overrated his defense is wide open his foot are to slow and his balance is pretty poor he paws with the jab and leaves his face wide open after throwing a jab imol hed get countered all night but pbf wouldnt come close to a stoppage

hatton is aggressive come forward who doesnt let you breathe and coulod cause trouble

hard b2 say whod be a bigger problem as there 2 different styles pbf has never really faced before :thumbsup

[Relentless]

williams nevers paws with his jab.

[sonny73]

Thank you, Pimp.

and yes, I also didn't say he was unbeatable. Sonny must be feeling it after reading enough reality posts....lol

Paul Williams COULD make it happen. Maybe Mosley could pull it off...but Hatton?

Nahhhh. naaaaa same things were said in Australian forums before the Tszyu fight,outclassed over-matched who the hell is Hatton...this is a real fight and if you really think it will be one-sided you will be in for a surprise....don't expect the same Hatton to turn up that fought Collazo or Urango,Mayweather's not stupid he knows that.It'll be the same guy that fought Tszyu in front of him and he will have to dig deep to win,but hey if it makes you feel better keep writing about this guys greatness just means if HAtton wins or comes close he will be great also,in your eyes anyway

[Pimp C]

williams nevers paws with his jab.
He does sometimes just almost slap it out there almost like a backhand or something. It's really borderline illegal what he does, I've seen him warned in a fight for doing it.

[Relentless]

He does sometimes just almost slap it out there almost like a backhand or something. It's really borderline illegal what he does, I've seen him warned in a fight for doing it.

you mean the flicker jab?

[Pimp C]

you mean the flicker jab?
Yes he turns his gloves over when he throws it.

[Danny Ocean]

you mean the flicker jab?

he throws the jab from his waist with the top part of his hand hitting you, its a nothing jab at times

[Relentless]

Yes he turns his gloves over when he throws it.

dind't roy jones used to throw that aswell?

[Danny Ocean]

dind't roy jones used to throw that aswell?

lol when rjj bothered to throw a jab apart from the ruiz fight it was pretty average

[SKULLSPLITTER]

naaaaa same things were said in Australian forums before the Tszyu fight,outclassed over-matched who the hell is Hatton...this is a real fight and if you really think it will be one-sided you will be in for a surprise....don't expect the same Hatton to turn up that fought Collazo or Urango,Mayweather's not stupid he knows that.It'll be the same guy that fought Tszyu in front of him and he will have to dig deep to win,but hey if it makes you feel better keep writing about this guys greatness just means if HAtton wins or comes close he will be great also,in your eyes anyway

Firstly, THAT Tszyu is not THIS Mayweather. Those two are very different fighters anyhow...

I knew Hatton had a good chance in England in that one personally. The deck was stacked against an older Kostya, equalizing things. I never expected Hatton to fight the WAY he did though. That was the debut of his now reknowned Shitty Style. He used to box properly before that fight you know...

If Hatton were to beat Mayweather straight up, he would definitely be considered "Great" in my eyes, but everyone in the know KNOWS he can't beat Mayweather straight up.

and for the record, a bunch of uncalled fouls before landing a one punch KO isn't "straight up".