About pressure and Floyd...

[Ambition_Def]

If you think pressure won't work yer an idiot.

That's all.

And counter arguments are not required. We're assuming you are an idiot if you plan on making one.

[rendog67]

pressure is the way to beat floyd but hatton is not winning this fight so it doesnt matter.

[pit]

If you think pressure won't work yer an idiot.

That's all.

And counter arguments are not required. We're assuming you are an idiot if you plan on making one.


Really how many fighter have tried to apply pressure to floyd and won ?? and do you really think that Floyd is that stupid that he doesn't know that every fighter he gets in the ring with him is not going to try and pressure him .??

I bet floyd stays late every night wonder what fight plan his next opponent is going to try ..


People have saying use pressure on floyd for over 7 year now so WTF !?!?


jezz how many time do you have to get by a car before u get the fuck out the street. jezzz :-(

Really what are his opponents choices try to out box floyd or pressure? wow so many choices. :patsch

[Lance_Uppercut]

Really how many fighter have tried to apply pressure to floyd and won ?? and do you really think that Floyd is that stupid that he doesn't know that every fighter he gets in the ring with him is not going to try and pressure him .??

I bet floyd stays late every night wonder what fight plan his next opponent is going to try ..


People have saying use pressure on floyd for over 7 year now so WTF !?!?


jezz how many time do you have to get by a car before u get the fuck out the street. jezzz :-(

Really what are his opponents choices try to out box floyd or pressure? wow so many choices. :patsch

Obviously no one's WON yet Pit... But who's given him his toughest fight to date? What did he do? And it looks like you're almost agreeing with him at the ned. So WTF?!?:huh

[Ambition_Def]

Obviously no one's WON yet Pit... But who's given him his toughest fight to date? What did he do? And it looks like you're almost agreeing with him at the ned. So WTF?!?:huh

His opinion is irrelevant. What is relevant is that I had forewarned him that a counter argument would be the mark of an idiot. Yet he left one anyways.

Hence, pit = idiot. But who didn't know that already? :rofl

[Toopretty]

If you think pressure won't work yer an idiot.

That's all.

And counter arguments are not required. We're assuming you are an idiot if you plan on making one.

Name one pressur fighter that beat floyd..or fighter that beat floyd by applying pressure..to a counter puncher..like him..the more pressure which is normally reckless the more openings...Ask Corrales Ndou Chavez and the list goes on .......Castillo did not just charge floyd with pressure you dumb cunt..Castillo is a boxer that has mean in-fighting game..he is not a "pressure" fighter Castillo works his way on the inside but that is it....Pacman is a pressure fighter..Duran at lightweight was a pressure fighter..Hatton is a pressure fighter..Floyd never had a problem with the same guys trying to do the same things. You act like fighters actually tried to box him.. The only guy that did was Gatti. that is all in the last few years...Sharmba too...

[Ambition_Def]

Name one pressur fighter that beat floyd..or fighter that beat floyd by applying pressure..to a counter puncher..like him..the more pressure which is normally reckless the more openings...Ask Corrales Ndou Chavez and the list goes on .......Castillo did not just charge floyd with pressure you dumb cunt..Castillo is a boxer that has mean in-fighting game..he is not a "pressure" fighter Castillo works his way on the inside but that is it....Pacman is a pressure fighter..Duran at lightweight was a pressure fighter..Hatton is a pressure fighter..Floyd never had a problem with the same guys trying to do the same things. You act like fighters actually tried to box him.. The only guy that did was Gatti. that is all in the last few years...Sharmba too...

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Look Lance, it's the same post Pit left.

I should use this as a psychology study. Parallels in stupidity. :good

[pit]

Obviously no one's WON yet Pit... But who's given him his toughest fight to date? What did he do? And it looks like you're almost agreeing with him at the ned. So WTF?!?:huh

The point is it pretty obvious the man has found a counter for pressure fighters so to keep saying pressure is key to beat floyd when the man has been pressures for over 38 and still has an 0 is fucking stupid..

it fucking time some come up with something a little more fucking original then pressure don't you think..

pressure may start to work once floyd is 35 who the fuck knows.

[Pimp C]

If you think pressure won't work yer an idiot.

That's all.

And counter arguments are not required. We're assuming you are an idiot if you plan on making one.
Pressure is but one factor but that alone isn't good enough to beat PBF and you're dead wrong. Hatton doesn't have it bro sorry and neither does Margo. They lack a good jab, speed and a southpaw stance. A tall lanky southpaw with a good jab, footwork, speed, pop and has excellent stamina is what can beat PBF. Most won't agree but a better version of Cory Spinks would give PBF hell.:deal

[pit]

His opinion is irrelevant. What is relevant is that I had forewarned him that a counter argument would be the mark of an idiot. Yet he left one anyways.

Hence, pit = idiot. But who didn't know that already? :rofl


:-(( wow the clown calling me an idiot , yet your coming with the same shit that has been hashed for more then 2 years now .. fucking jackass.. come with some original mini me .

[Ambition_Def]

Pressure is but one factor but that alone isn't good enough to beat PBF and you're dead wrong. Hatton doesn't have it bro sorry and neither does Margo. They lack a good jab, speed and a southpaw stance. A tall lanky southpaw with a good jab, footwork, speed, pop and has excellent stamina is what can beat PBF. Most won't agree but a better version of Cory Spinks would give PBF hell.:deal

Well I suppose I can't lump you with those other two. You seem to be open to the idea that pressure does play an instrumental role. Now I did not say pressure is everything. But to assume that it can't work or won't work is stupid.

Nor did I say Hatton will beat Mayweather. :nono I can agree with you that footwork is instrumental as well, because you have to be able to cut the ring off effectively. But in the end good footwork is instrumental to having good pressure tactics. So we agree anyways!

By the way I'd pick Mayweather to dominate Spinks. I have thought it over and Spinks gives up way too much room and is too comfortable on the defensive to trouble Mayweather. If Zab can find Spinks, Mayweather would too.

[kg0208]

If you think pressure won't work yer an idiot.

That's all.

And counter arguments are not required. We're assuming you are an idiot if you plan on making one.
Cool, then we all know where we stand. You think everyone who thinks different than you is an idiot, and vice versa:deal

Pressure CAN work. But he will need MORE than that, because PBF has learned to escape pressure. He will need to make PBF wary of opening up.

[AllyT]

I have nothing to declare but my idiocy.

Hatton will still win though, body shot middle rounds

[pit]

Pressure is but one factor but that alone isn't good enough to beat PBF and you're dead wrong. Hatton doesn't have it bro sorry and neither does Margo. They lack a good jab, speed and a southpaw stance. A tall lanky southpaw with a good jab, footwork, speed, pop and has excellent stamina is what can beat PBF. Most won't agree but a better version of Cory Spinks would give PBF hell.:deal

exactly !! someone like hearns who also has a very quick and deadly counter right hand and long jab .. I still say the style to beat floyd is a south paw , he been nailed solidly by every south paw he faced and all by the lead right hook.

[Ambition_Def]

Cool, then we all know where we stand. You think everyone who thinks different than you is an idiot, and vice versa:deal

Pressure CAN work. But he will need MORE than that, because PBF has learned to escape pressure. He will need to make PBF wary of opening up.

:nono I'm not into ultimatums. Read the thread. There are morons floating around here that seem to think pressure cannot crack Mayweather's defense. And according to them, this is because Castillo didn't win, and DLH's sad 30 second flurries had no effect. (when do they ever?)

As if they'd know what true pressure is anyways.

[Pimp C]

Well I suppose I can't lump you with those other two. You seem to be open to the idea that pressure does play an instrumental role. Now I did not say pressure is everything. But to assume that it can't work or won't work is stupid.

Nor did I say Hatton will beat Mayweather. :nono I can agree with you that footwork is instrumental as well, because you have to be able to cut the ring off effectively. But in the end good footwork is instrumental to having good pressure tactics. So we agree anyways!

By the way I'd pick Mayweather to dominate Spinks. I have thought it over and Spinks gives up way too much room and is too comfortable on the defensive to trouble Mayweather. If Zab can find Spinks, Mayweather would too.
Fair enough.
BTW I think Spinks would cause some problems he's a southpaw has long arms, has a good jab, has fast hands, good defense, good footwork and is a smart fighter. His flaws are that he's too defensive minded and has bad stamina. I'm not so worried about his power but if he was more offensive minded he could give PBF a great fight even now he'd give him a good fight.

[Pimp C]

exactly !! some like hearns who also has a very quick and deadly counter right hand and long jab .. I still say the style to beat floyd is a south paw , he been nailed solidly by every south paw he faced and all by the lead right hook.
Spot on!:good Southpaws give PBF problems even uncle Roger said so.:lol:

[Ambition_Def]

Fair enough.
BTW I think Spinks would cause some problems he's a southpaw has long arms, has a good jab, has fast hands, good defense, good footwork and is a smart fighter. His flaws are that he's too defensive minded and has bad stamina. I'm not so worried about his power but if he was more offensive minded he could give PBF a great fight even now he'd give him a good fight.

Well you have to keep in mind that Mayweather is smaller and faster than the guys Spinks has been fighting recently. Plus he has much better footwork than a brawler like Taylor does.

I don't know if Mayweather would get a knockout, I really doubt it. But he'd have Spinks figured out in 5 rounds tops. Zab pretty much figured out how to get Spinks by just being more aggressive and not letting him step in and out so much. And defensively Mayweather is put together much better.

I could see him figuring out Spinks footwork for about 3-4 rounds, then stepping in behind a jab, then Spinks would be in full retreat. After that he's pretty open to those right hand counters because he does so much lunging when he's in full retreat. He gets sloppy on defense and offense when pressed. Just like was against Mayorga and Karmazin. And the thing is with those two they didn't possess the speed or accuracy that Mayweather does. They both had ample opportunities to land the counter right but could never get it down.

[kg0208]

:nono I'm not into ultimatums. Read the thread. There are morons floating around here that seem to think pressure cannot crack Mayweather's defense. And according to them, this is because Castillo didn't win, and DLH's sad 30 second flurries had no effect. (when do they ever?)

As if they'd know what true pressure is anyways.
Glad to know you aren't into ultimatums. Too bad I didn't give you one.

You don't know if pressure will work or not. As a matter of fact, his pressure isn't as relevant IMO as another attribute. It's the fact that Hatton has faster hands than Castillo did and will be able to catch PBF sometimes on his way in and on PBF's way out. Otherwise he would just be getting countered by PBF over and over. His chances lie in his quicker than average hands allowing him to hit PBF where others have missed when trying to apply pressure. Usually pressure doesn't help because PBF just backs away and hits you before you can hit him and then is out of range.

[Ambition_Def]

Glad to know you aren't into ultimatums. Too bad I didn't give you one.

You don't know if pressure will work or not. As a matter of fact, his pressure isn't as relevant IMO as another attribute. It's the fact that Hatton has faster hands than Castillo did and will be able to catch PBF sometimes on his way in and on PBF's way out. Otherwise he would just be getting countered by PBF over and over. His chances lie in his quicker than average hands allowing him to hit PBF where others have missed when trying to apply pressure. Usually pressure doesn't help because PBF just backs away and hits you before you can hit him and then is out of range.

Well I'm not talking about Hatton specifically. I do believe Hatton will give him problems though if he is allowed to press and do his inside mauling. If not then he will lose.

But apart from that it is basic knowledge that a guy with excellent footwork who has no intentions of trading with you must be hunted down and cornered. It doesn't matter who it is. Just as I replied above to Pimp C, playing defense won't work. He's ultimately going to figure you out by your footwork and then he's going to just potshot you and move at his leisure.

Now there is another way which is a much larger opponent that could be defensive. But he'd have to keep his hands up all the time and bait Mayweather to fall in. Someone like Paul Williams for example.

[allenko1]

Being a smart fighter helps. Wouldn't everyone agree? De la Hoya put walked him around but didn't make him change. Castillo in the first bout actually hit Mayweather. Good pressure, not recklessness

[Toopretty]

Well you have to keep in mind that Mayweather is smaller and faster than the guys Spinks has been fighting recently. Plus he has much better footwork than a brawler like Taylor does.

I don't know if Mayweather would get a knockout, I really doubt it. But he'd have Spinks figured out in 5 rounds tops. Zab pretty much figured out how to get Spinks by just being more aggressive and not letting him step in and out so much. And defensively Mayweather is put together much better.

I could see him figuring out Spinks footwork for about 3-4 rounds, then stepping in behind a jab, then Spinks would be in full retreat. After that he's pretty open to those right hand counters because he does so much lunging when he's in full retreat. He gets sloppy on defense and offense when pressed. Just like was against Mayorga and Karmazin. And the thing is with those two they didn't possess the speed or accuracy that Mayweather does. They both had ample opportunities to land the counter right but could never get it down.

I been gone for a second and this clown thinks he is right:rofl:rofl:rofl Let me break it down in child terms.. Uhmm.. Floyd is a counter puncher by nature. A counter puncher sits back and looks for openings to land his shots. Being a counter puncher means the other guy has to play ball buy coming forward and being the aggressor. Which is what applying pressure is. Pressure destructs Zab Judah..but it dont mean shit to floyd. If you pressure by coming forward and mauling him..you are for one not going to be in position to punch b/c your feet are not planted..two.. Floyd loves to fight off of the back foot in which the other guy has to come forward with pressure for Floyds style to work. Another thing that throws your bullshit non-boxing know-nothing ass out of the window is that making floyd the aggressor or making him come forward which he is not as effective doing is the way to beat him. By a southpaw with reach and a good right hook. Everybody who ever posted with me heard me say this a million times. If floyd has to come forward he is not as effective. So if you have a rangy jab and pop him at range not with no damned pressure.. Floyd has to come forward to you to score any points or sit back and lose a decision.....LEARN BOXING CLASS DISMISSED..Cunt

[cross_trainer]

I should use this as a psychology study. Parallels in stupidity. :good

You decide that people who think a certain way are stupid, and then discover that these "stupid" people all think a certain way?

What a breakthrough! :D

[Toopretty]

Glad to know you aren't into ultimatums. Too bad I didn't give you one.

You don't know if pressure will work or not. As a matter of fact, his pressure isn't as relevant IMO as another attribute. It's the fact that Hatton has faster hands than Castillo did and will be able to catch PBF sometimes on his way in and on PBF's way out. Otherwise he would just be getting countered by PBF over and over. His chances lie in his quicker than average hands allowing him to hit PBF where others have missed when trying to apply pressure. Usually pressure doesn't help because PBF just backs away and hits you before you can hit him and then is out of range.

This guy has no clue.Me and you are at odds and ends but we agree on alot.

[Ambition_Def]

You decide that people who think a certain way are stupid, and then discover that these "stupid" people all think a certain way?

What a breakthrough! :D

:rofl

I'm not sure yet if it's directly related to IQ but it could be. :think

[Toopretty]

:rofl

I'm not sure yet if it's directly related to IQ but it could be. :think

I guess you being stupid..you dont realize he was being sarcastic.

[pit]

Glad to know you aren't into ultimatums. Too bad I didn't give you one.

You don't know if pressure will work or not. As a matter of fact, his pressure isn't as relevant IMO as another attribute. It's the fact that Hatton has faster hands than Castillo did and will be able to catch PBF sometimes on his way in and on PBF's way out. Otherwise he would just be getting countered by PBF over and over. His chances lie in his quicker than average hands allowing him to hit PBF where others have missed when trying to apply pressure. Usually pressure doesn't help because PBF just backs away and hits you before you can hit him and then is out of range.


I agree , and even when he does back off his upper body movement is so fluent that it allows him to weave out the the way of punches and counter from odd angles with his reach.

[Lance_Uppercut]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Look Lance, it's the same post Pit left.

I should use this as a psychology study. Parallels in stupidity. :good

:lol: they are stupid BIGTIME! :yep

[Ambition_Def]

:lol: they are stupid BIGTIME! :yep

I liken it to shooting fish in a barrel. It's almost cheating really.

[PowerPuncher]

Any style can beat any fighter as long as the person applying the style is good enough. Pressure can beat Floyd - is Hatton good enough? I don't think so

[Ambition_Def]

Any style can beat any fighter as long as the person applying the style is good enough. Pressure can beat Floyd - is Hatton good enough? I don't think so

Why do you guys keep bringing Hatton up? We aren't discussing him. :nono

[DoumB]

I think pressure alone wont beat floyd, u have to be real skilled inside and physicaly stronger then floyd to rough him up a bit, a good jab to lead in and let floyd's guard up while ur cutting off to him,

Or another style that could beat floyd would be a real tall fighter who fight from the outside and can get in(Hearns) even I think Williams (even if not that good) can improve and learn to use better footwork and force floyd to lead in could give him a lot of trouble.

[kg0208]

Why do you guys keep bringing Hatton up? We aren't discussing him. :nono

Ok then....your point is wrong then. Pressure will work from whom? Anyone? That's false. Obviously you will need to name a fighter to apply the pressure for your point to stand.

[Ambition_Def]

Ok then....your point is wrong then. Pressure will work from whom? Anyone? That's false. Obviously you will need to name a fighter to apply the pressure for your point to stand.

:nono I never said pressure always works. I said pressure can work.

If you want to liken it to Hatton that is fine for the sake of discussion I suppose, but it seems everyone is using Hatton as the prime example of pressure.

[kg0208]

:nono I never said pressure always works. I said pressure can work.

If you want to liken it to Hatton that is fine for the sake of discussion I suppose, but it seems everyone is using Hatton as the prime example of pressure.

But we don't know that pressure can work....thats like saying any style can work. This is merely a guess based on? Not trying to egg ya on, but you seem to be playing a game of semantics just to screw with people.

I am sure this threads stems from what PBF fans have said. And I am sure they have said it in Hatton vs PBF discussions. So one would assume, and probably rightfully so, you are talking about Hatton.

[Ambition_Def]

But we don't know that pressure can work....thats like saying any style can work. This is merely a guess based on? Not trying to egg ya on, but you seem to be playing a game of semantics just to screw with people.

:think

I am sure this threads stems from what PBF fans have said. And I am sure they have said it in Hatton vs PBF discussions. So one would assume, and probably rightfully so, you are talking about Hatton.

It isn't just the Hatton vs Mayweather threads. It's everytime Mayweater is matched to a pressure fighter that these clowns come out of the shadows to say "OH PRESSURE WONT WORK CUZ HES BEATEN 38 OF THEM AND IS UNDEFEATED"

And that nonsense talk that he is a natural counter puncher. I guess they must have missed his fights with Corrales and Ndou.

Anyhow I'm only interested in tagging the dumb-dumbs seeing as how I've been away from gen for a bit. I'd like to know upfront who to avoid and who to bother with. :good

[kg0208]

:think



It isn't just the Hatton vs Mayweather threads. It's everytime Mayweater is matched to a pressure fighter that these clowns come out of the shadows to say "OH PRESSURE WONT WORK CUZ HES BEATEN 38 OF THEM AND IS UNDEFEATED"

And that nonsense talk that he is a natural counter puncher. I guess they must have missed his fights with Corrales and Ndou.

Anyhow I'm only interested in tagging the dumb-dumbs seeing as how I've been away from gen for a bit. I'd like to know upfront who to avoid and who to bother with. :good
You know you like to piss people (especially PBF fans) off just to see how stupid their reactions are....don't play dumb, you haven't been gone THAT long :)

You must be referring to fantasy fights when PBF is matched with pressure fighters. He hasn't fought many in real bouts. The problem is, most pressure fighters are slow a foot or slow handspeed. Hatton is neither, though he is not as fast as PBF in either category. Somebody like JCC in his prime would have been a horse of a different color for PBF, something he had not ever seen. But each styles elite practitioner can spell trouble for anyone.

PBF is not a natural anything IMO. He adapts to each fighter he faces. It's up to them to prepare for that. PBF can be beaten, and someone will probably do it. But its gonna take a great performance.

[Ambition_Def]

You must be referring to fantasy fights when PBF is matched with pressure fighters. He hasn't fought many in real bouts. The problem is, most pressure fighters are slow a foot or slow handspeed. Hatton is neither, though he is not as fast as PBF in either category. Somebody like JCC in his prime would have been a horse of a different color for PBF, something he had not ever seen. But each styles elite practitioner can spell trouble for anyone.

Yes well if you look throughout history a good pressure fighter either needed to be extremely big or extremely good on his feet. Without one or the other it's not gonna work. You can be smaller and have poor footwork, but you better be one hell of a defensive counterpuncher.

I don't typically believe in all cases a pressure fighter needs to have exceptional hand or foot speed. A good reach and a solid foundation can overcome a lot of things if you are clever enough to time your opponent.

Hatton comes from that other end where he's small and compact but he gets leverage and speed by leaping into his punches. Whatever he lacks in reach he makes up for in footwork and handspeed.

But I will repeat that if Hatton is not allowed close combat he will be made to look silly. I don't think even with his lunging in and grabbing could he win should the ref show intolerance for inside holding. It will look like Jones-Ruiz all over again.

PBF is not a natural anything IMO. He adapts to each fighter he faces. It's up to them to prepare for that. PBF can be beaten, and someone will probably do it. But its gonna take a great performance.

Exactly.

[El Bombasto]

i'm sure there are a number of ways to beat floyd. anything can happen with the right boxer on the right night. castillo had success using pressure, delohoya had some success when he trew lots of jabs, judah had success with superior speed. but, hatton's only chance is to apply lots of pressure. and, he might be able to get it done, but don't hold your breath.

[knockout]

If you think pressure won't work yer an idiot.

That's all.

And counter arguments are not required. We're assuming you are an idiot if you plan on making one.well it has work Hatton cant stand in front of him and box that would be foolish.

[brooklyn1550]

Pressure is the way to beat most boxers, and Floyd is no exception. It just depends on whether the pressure fighter has the tools to work their way inside and apply effective pressure while making him have to fight back.

[Jack]

A tall lanky southpaw with a good jab, footwork, speed, pop and has excellent stamina is what can beat PBF. Most won't agree but a better version of Cory Spinks would give PBF hell.:deal
Bollocks! De La Hoya and Castillo gave Mayweather his toughest two fights and neither has an exceptional jab, footwork or speed. De La hoya has "pop", but it didn't bother Mayweather. Neither man is tall either.

What are you basing this off? It's just pure speculation.

It seems another way to put across that you don't think Hatton has a chance. The fact is, the people who won the most rounds against Floyd did so using pressure.

[hitman_hatton1]

mayweather's definitely at his best when u give him that bit of room.

gatti and corrales spring to mind.

he's always been a fighter that will draw an opponents sting and then fire in quick counters.

this is where i reckon hatton can get good work in and score pts. :bbb

[bigtime9]

I liken it to shooting fish in a barrel. It's almost cheating really.


when floyd gets old (32) then your theory might hold more weight. right now it's just an opinion

[lillarry]

Pressure is but one factor but that alone isn't good enough to beat PBF and you're dead wrong. Hatton doesn't have it bro sorry and neither does Margo. They lack a good jab, speed and a southpaw stance. A tall lanky southpaw with a good jab, footwork, speed, pop and has excellent stamina is what can beat PBF. Most won't agree but a better version of Cory Spinks would give PBF hell.:deal


You know what, except for the pop, everything you said Paul Williams has. If he can learn to sit on his punches, he might be the guy that can give Floyd his first L. But I dont see this fight ever taking place. Too much of high risk low reward at this time for Floyd. And I dont blame him either.

[HitBattousai]

Williams would probably beat Floyd right now. Floyd most likely can't hurt him, and he's one of the few opponents Floyd would not be able to outbox with his massive reach, height, and sheer volume of punches. PBF would be forced to fight on the inside with Williams, and as long as Williams kept up his activity there and his chin held up(which is probable) Floyd wouldn't be getting the better of him there either. However, the fight will never happen, too high a risk for low reward as you said. And it doesn't mean that Williams is a better fighter, just an awful style matchup.

Pressure can also beat Floyd. Since he doesn't put punches together at Welter due his lack of power and the flipside for his opposition, a high volume pressure fighter with some speed and defense that doesn't let Floyd get off first can beat him. Hatton lacks the speed and defense though, imo.

[lillarry]

Williams would probably beat Floyd right now. Floyd most likely can't hurt him, and he's one of the few opponents Floyd would not be able to outbox with his massive reach, height, and sheer volume of punches. PBF would be forced to fight on the inside with Williams, and as long as Williams kept up his activity there and his chin held up(which is probable) Floyd wouldn't be getting the better of him there either. However, the fight will never happen, too high a risk for low reward as you said. And it doesn't mean that Williams is a better fighter, just an awful style matchup.

Pressure can also beat Floyd. Since he doesn't put punches together at Welter due his lack of power and the flipside for his opposition, a high volume pressure fighter with some speed and defense that doesn't let Floyd get off first can beat him. Hatton lacks the speed and defense though, imo.



Very good observation:good

[Ambition_Def]

Williams-Mayweather will be a moot point soon anyways when Williams can't cut to 147. I suspect that will be very soon.

[Pimp C]

Bollocks! De La Hoya and Castillo gave Mayweather his toughest two fights and neither has an exceptional jab, footwork or speed. De La hoya has "pop", but it didn't bother Mayweather. Neither man is tall either.

What are you basing this off? It's just pure speculation.

It seems another way to put across that you don't think Hatton has a chance. The fact is, the people who won the most rounds against Floyd did so using pressure.
You don't know what you're talking about. Oscar has an excellent jab and has excellent handspeed as well how many Oscar fights have you seen? Castillo on the other hand has a much better jab that Hatton, whcih he used to get inside with. A prime Castillo's outside fight game was much better than Ricky's.
Let me educate you further if you look at the southpaws that PBF has faced they have succes hitting him with straight punches look at the Corley fight look at the Zab fight they all landed flush on him and drop or hurt him. Even Roger says southpaws his weekness. If you look very closly at the Zab-PBF fight you will see that Zab almost had what it took to beat PBF, southpaw with pop and good speed. He had no problems finding him early and countering him but he lacked the mental toughness to pull it off. If you have a guy who's a lanky southpaw with a good jab, defense, good pop, stamina and footwork he would be able to have great success against PBF and that's the combo to beat him with not only pressure as you seem to think.

[Pimp C]

You know what, except for the pop, everything you said Paul Williams has. If he can learn to sit on his punches, he might be the guy that can give Floyd his first L. But I dont see this fight ever taking place. Too much of high risk low reward at this time for Floyd. And I dont blame him either.
Yes Paul Williams could do it but he throws too many unneccessary punches that could be countered against PBF. If he threw a little less and tried to sit on more of his punches he's be a lot more effective. He laso needs to work more on his defense but if he improves he could be the one.

[achillesthegreat]

I've made a thread about pressure and Floyd.

[India_Foot_Bob]

Pressure will work on Floyd. Unfortunately, Hatton won't be able to apply any unless he can do it from his back -fullstop-

[CUFreeze]

Really how many fighter have tried to apply pressure to floyd and won ?? and do you really think that Floyd is that stupid that he doesn't know that every fighter he gets in the ring with him is not going to try and pressure him .??

I bet floyd stays late every night wonder what fight plan his next opponent is going to try ..


People have saying use pressure on floyd for over 7 year now so WTF !?!?


jezz how many time do you have to get by a car before u get the fuck out the street. jezzz :-(

Really what are his opponents choices try to out box floyd or pressure? wow so many choices. :patsch


Um...Castillo won their first fight dude. Anyone who has seen the fight knows Castillo won.

[Toopretty]

Um...Castillo won their first fight dude. Anyone who has seen the fight knows Castillo won.
Speak for your dumb ass self. Anyone..lol not the judges...not a whole lot of people. Fights are scored in rounds. Castillo won 4 clear. Floyd won 5 clear the rest could go either way..get a fucking grip. Just b/c you go by ledermans card which is all fucked up.

[Toopretty]

Name one pressur fighter that beat floyd..or fighter that beat floyd by applying pressure..to a counter puncher..like him..the more pressure which is normally reckless the more openings...Ask Corrales Ndou Chavez and the list goes on .......Castillo did not just charge floyd with pressure you dumb cunt..Castillo is a boxer that has mean in-fighting game..he is not a "pressure" fighter Castillo works his way on the inside but that is it....Pacman is a pressure fighter..Duran at lightweight was a pressure fighter..Hatton is a pressure fighter..Floyd never had a problem with the same guys trying to do the same things. You act like fighters actually tried to box him.. The only guy that did was Gatti. that is all in the last few years...Sharmba too...

Just call me tooprettadamus....lol. I love finding these old threads to expose the clowns.