Tszyu Is The Best P4p Boxer Ever

[TIGEREDGE]

in this interview, russel crowe says that angelo dundee rates kostya tszyu as the P4P best ever

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[brooklyn1550]

I've seen this before. I've never heard it elsewhere, but I don't think if you asked Dundee up front, he would respond with Kostya Tszyu.

[kg0208]

maybe not the best ever but easily better then floyd :good
Sorry no. Their resumes aren't comparable. PBF has beaten better fighters overall, never lost, won more titles, etc.

[snoop]

maybe not the best ever but easily better then floyd :good

If PBF fought Tzu after the fight with gatti, and Tzu foght PBF after his fight with Zab. You are saying that Tzu would beat PBF?:think

[Alo2006]

maybe not the best ever but easily better then floyd :good


You need to be smacked! :-(

[Fighting Weight]

sorry kostya beat better fighters and in there prime. Floyd fights big names when they are past it and over the hill.

And Floyds next fight is against the big name, past it, over the hill......:nut

Tszyu was WAY over-rated due to his win over Judah that was a questionable stoppage in a lot of peoples minds, and Judah has been proven to be nothing special since then anyway, as has Kostya.

[kg0208]

sorry kostya beat better fighters and in there prime. Floyd fights big names when they are past it and over the hill.

Really? Who....name the big names in their prime that Kostya beat.

[kg0208]

I would be shocked if floyd could go twelve rounds with a prime kostya. Floyd strugled with old delahoya and many thought he lost open your eyes just because floyd looks like you.
There is no "many"...nearly every outlet scored it for PBF, actually every single one I have seen. A vast majority thought PBF won clearly....and KT got KO'd in his prime. You can't win this argument based on facts.

[Fighting Weight]

yes kostya crushed him and he was nothing after that and still floyd strugled for twelve rounds with him :deal

No Kostya didn't crush him, it was a bad stoppage as I said. As I recall, Kostya was getting beaten up for the first 4-5 minutes of that fight, Zab got caught and no doubt Nady got paid :yep

If it had gone on a few more rounds no doubt Kostya would have quit, like he did against Hatton. Best P4P ever? Nope.

[kg0208]

there is no argument kostya has too much for floyd end of story.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Next time you make a bold statement, you may want to come with something other than "cuz I said so".

[Jack]

Tszyu was WAY over-rated due to his win over Judah that was a questionable stoppage in a lot of peoples minds, and Judah has been proven to be nothing special since then anyway, as has Kostya.Unless Zab Judah is a schizophrenic it wasn't. Judah was fucking out of it.

Questionable? Bullshit.

[China_hand_Joe]

in this interview, russel crowe says that angelo dundee rates kostya tszyu as the P4P best ever

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He is one the top 20 ever, maybe even top 10.

[Fighting Weight]

Unless Zab Judah is a schizophrenic it wasn't. Judah was fucking out of it.

Questionable? Bullshit.

Hatton fan, eh? :patsch

[Nico]

Come on guys, this shouldn't be a discussion that anyone gets worked up about. Kostya Tszyu is not even close to being the best fighter ever.

Most reasonable people can agree that he is one of the top junior welterweights of all time. He has one of the best amateur records ever, beat a lot of good opponents, including fighters who were present or former champions, unified all three belts, etc. These accomplishments are nothing to sneeze at. But best ever? That is a damn high standard to be held to.

[Nico]

No Kostya didn't crush him, it was a bad stoppage as I said. As I recall, Kostya was getting beaten up for the first 4-5 minutes of that fight, Zab got caught and no doubt Nady got paid :yep

If it had gone on a few more rounds no doubt Kostya would have quit, like he did against Hatton. Best P4P ever? Nope.


You recall wrong. It was a tentative first round, until Judah caught Tszyu with a very nice lead uppercut and maybe one or two more big shots until the round ended. Zab won that round no doubt. But the second round was all Tszyu's. Zab had absolutely nothing going for him that around, and then got knocked out by one shot. You lose credibility here by calling it a bad stoppage and being unreasonably biased against KT.

And by the way, Tszyu was 35 years old, out of his prime years, and in what turned out to be his last fight when he quit against Hatton. But all of a sudden, the consensus for what would happen if he was ever in a tough fight is that he would quit? You're making yourself look stupid, man.

[Jack]

Hatton fan, eh? :patsch
Yes. But I know people who aren't, who admit that Judah was out of it. Most Judah fans on here admit he couldn't have continued.

[China_hand_Joe]

Judah only wins round against top fighters through an extremely high workrate early on. He does it to almost everyone then gases.

[Scar]

Nice video, thanks. :good

[Scar]

You recall wrong. It was a tentative first round, until Judah caught Tszyu with a very nice lead uppercut and maybe one or two more big shots until the round ended. Zab won that round no doubt. But the second round was all Tszyu's. Zab had absolutely nothing going for him that around, and then got knocked out by one shot. You lose credibility here by calling it a bad stoppage and being unreasonably biased against KT.

And by the way, Tszyu was 35 years old, out of his prime years, and in what turned out to be his last fight when he quit against Hatton. But all of a sudden, the consensus for what would happen if he was ever in a tough fight is that he would quit? You're making yourself look stupid, man.

In the lower weights you're usually past your prime at age 33 or 34, Kostya was 35, inactive for 1 year and STILL gave a prime 100% motivated Hatton an extremely tough CLOSE fight, that should be enough proof that Tszyu is made of steel.

[41fever]

KT was a great fighter and cleaned his division. Hatton met him at the right time. KT stopped JUDAH and MITCHELL. He didn't go the distance, he stopped them early. That should speak volumes. He was a powerhouse for his small 140 stature and an excellent boxer. I believe he beat Forrest in the Olympics.

[41fever]

In KT's prime he was untouchable. You were special if you went the full 12 with him. His reign was amazing, he was feared.

[Vantage_West]

Sorry no. Their resumes aren't comparable. PBF has beaten better fighters overall, never lost, won more titles, etc.head 2 head tzsyu is very dangerous but floyd achievment wise takes it by a long shot

[Vantage_West]

No Kostya didn't crush him, it was a bad stoppage as I said. As I recall, Kostya was getting beaten up for the first 4-5 minutes of that fight, Zab got caught and no doubt Nady got paid :yep

If it had gone on a few more rounds no doubt Kostya would have quit, like he did against Hatton. Best P4P ever? Nope.yeah the stoppage was very iffy zab did his dance but got up less than a second on the floor.

should of counted to 10 and see what happend but nah

the life isnt it.

[Haggis McJackass]

yeah the stoppage was very iffy zab did his dance but got up less than a second on the floor.

should of counted to 10 and see what happend but nah

the life isnt it.

Sorry mate, it would have been an injustice to Zoo if the fight hadn't been stopped. I mean, he dropped the guy not once, but twice with one punch, and Zab was still obviously on shaky legs when he got up for the second time. What more can you ask Zoo to do to have Nady stop the fight?

:hat

[tliang1000]

Kostya would be made like a fool against Floyd

[kg0208]

head 2 head tzsyu is very dangerous but floyd achievment wise takes it by a long shot

I haven't made any comparisons on how the fight would look H2H. Achievment wise, its not close and that's all I am implying.

H2H KT could compete with PBF. But he wouldn't be able to time him like he did Judah, who is not exactly a technically skilled boxer. He has lots of speed, but is not all that ring savvy.

[KhanB]

Id give a Tszyu a chance at beating Mayweather. Its funny how every fighter who's worth anything gets a fantasy matchup with Boy Floyd. I guess Tszyu belongs in the ATG list for Jr WW, as long as he's not ahead of Pryor.

[Haggis McJackass]

Also it's worth remembering that the only two fighters to beat Zoo were both pressure fighters with iron chins who were in his face all the time and didn't let him get comfortable with his distance. Floyd would never fight him like that, he'd get overpowered.

Zoo is one of, if not the greatest range-finders I've ever seen fight. Anyone who made Kostya chase them, he caught them and hammered them.

Maybe Floyd has the skills to potshot his way to victory. Maybe Zoo consistently cuts the ring off on him, traps him along the ropes, works the body and ends up with a much less mobile target, scoring enough clean punches and dictating the rhythm of the fight enough to take a decision.

Who knows? They're both ATGs. I love Zoo and can't stand Floyd, but this is a fight that in my eyes could go either way.

:hat

[bigtime9]

In KT's prime he was untouchable. You were special if you went the full 12 with him. His reign was amazing, he was feared.


what you missed the vince philips fight:lol: :rofl

[lenzo]

Kosta nailed Judah so hard, Zab did a spiral chicken dance out on his feet. If Kosta wasn't stopped by the ref, Judah would have been severly hurt even more. Questionable stoppage, no way, one of the best stoppages ever. Please review the last half minute of the tape and tell me I'm wrong.

[lenzo]

Kosta was a great fighter but I wouldn't call him the best P4P of all time. I give that distinction to the old Roberto Duran when he was a lightweight.

[Nico]

what you missed the vince philips fight:lol: :rofl


You must have missed him going undefeated for a decade following that fight, beating some very good fighters, and unifying the division.

[Toopretty]

you havent followed boxing for long have you? kostya in his prime would crush floyd he loved chasing down feather fisted fairys like floyd and crushing them.:deal

Guys who get knocked the fuck out on there feet by journeyman like Vince Phillips can never or will never be put over top of Floyd Mayweather.....dumb asss:deal a doyyy... a duhhh

[Beatboxer]

what does that make vince phillips then

[gatorage]

I'm not sure ... but I think the Angelo Dundee comment was actually a statement he made after seeing Tszyu as an amateur. He said an amateur Tszyu was the best boxer he had ever seen.

I don't think the statement was regarding Tszyu's professional career.

And Tszyu had a chance against anyone. He NEVER had problems with boxers or speed. If you let him set his feet you were in trouble. The guys that gave Tszyu hard fights like Lopez, Urkal, Phillips and Hatton all came forward and kept Tszyu backpedalling. Both losses were still competitive. Mayweather doesn't have that style. He would give Tszyu ever chance to pick and choose his shots which never ended well for the boxers Tszyu faced.

It's a 50/50 fight but I lean towards Tszyu. I've seen all his fights and he was never outboxed.

[grouch]

Kosta was never a hype job and hardly had a chance to be in the mega fight! That reflects on his achievements in a negative way. He shouldn't have lost to Phillips I guess.

Both DLH and Mosley skipped 140lb, these two fights would make Kosta an ATG. Kosta would definitely beat Mosley and would have a good chance at DLH.

As of Mayweather fight all indicators point at Kosta's relatively easy win. He's always done well against cuties.

[mattress]

Both PBF and KT are/were great, great fighters but neither are anywhere near the best of all time.

[Sonny Carson]

Kostya was overrated he never beat anybody great and got knocked out by Vince Phillips. He never could fight anybody who pressured him(Phillips and Hatton). Aaron Pryor and Julio Cesar Chavez would kill him in there primes.

[dangerousity]

Based on resume I dont think you can make a case for Kostya over PBF. Head2head however maybe different. The 2 biggest names that Floyd beat were LW's, considering Kostya is a LWW it may seem less relevant when comparing head2head, I do believe Kostya would have crushed Corrales & Castillo much easier than Floyd did. Would have been a great fight and it probably would have been 60/40 in PBF favour at their primes at 140lb. Shame they never met.

[ron u.k.]

i take it there is no one here who actually believes he's the best p4p ever?

[China_hand_Joe]

I believe he is top 20 possibly top 10 ever.

[rydersonthestorm]

He was a great fighter but losing to phillips an having nut job judah and mitchell as your big wins doesn't put you anywhere near the top 20 p4p fighters of all time tis is a joke.