do you think haye would be champ if he didn't have adam booth with him?

[rhinocoote]

i thought booth was brilliantly calm between rounds last night,and believe that without him haye would have lost some discipline and perhaps a different decision could have prevailed.taking nothing away from his victory,but what do you think?

[Losfer_Words]

Booth gets fuck all credit for Haye's career. 'Unified' Cruiser Champ and HW Champ in 24 fights- not much wrong there in matchmaking either (leave out 'The Cat')! People will see just how underrated Booth is when Groves cleans up domestically and starts knocking on European doors:deal.

[GazOC]

Yeah, Booth did very well in that corner last night. I do wish Sky would get out of the habit of apologizing every time a cornerman swears.

[BamBam]

I can understand it a bit more last night because the fight was on relatively early. But when you're up watching a fight at 3am and a cornerman swears and they start apologising it does my head in. I mean if you can't swear on tv at 3am then when can you! You hear worse than that on primetime tv anyway.

Stupid cunts :good

Booth did a very good job alright. Its pretty clear that Haye will execute any order he is given without question which was a vital component in winning

[rhinocoote]

Yeah, Booth did very well in that corner last night. I do wish Sky would get out of the habit of apologizing every time a cornerman swears.
yep,it's like they're suprised every time it happens.

[UndisputedUK]

Booth is great. Credit where credit is due.

[richard mossley]

Yeah, Booth did very well in that corner last night. I do wish Sky would get out of the habit of apologizing every time a cornerman swears.

If it was a WBC title fight Booth would now be facing a 6 month ban.

[punchdrunkgench]

totally agree , booth was superb and has always come across as both calm and knowledgabe whenever ive seen him interviewed.
and personaly i think his matchmaking has been superb and i include the fight with the cat in there as i feel haye learnt more from that fight/defeat than he would have from any of his others

[Broxi]

Yeah, he was good, never panicked, never worried about hometown decisions going against Haye for inactivity. Good call from him but would there be a different opinion if the decision did go the other way?

TBH, I couldn't hear much of what was being said in the corners due to a lot of noise in the room but I liked the guys style ... Jim Watt was pissing me off though with his comments throughout the fight.

[rhinocoote]

totally agree , booth was superb and has always come across as both calm and knowledgabe whenever ive seen him interviewed.
and personaly i think his matchmaking has been superb and i include the fight with the cat in there as i feel haye learnt more from that fight/defeat than he would have from any of his others

yep,i agree with the matching up against "the cat",it was a good stroke at that stage of his career ,he needed it and has been the best learning curve Haye has had,last night being the next best i think.
i only went to the thompson fight because i know what a wiley pro he was,and he showed david a snapshot of real boxing.

[NO MAS]

Yeah, Booth did very well in that corner last night. I do wish Sky would get out of the habit of apologizing every time a cornerman swears.

I agree..:good

They should have a rider at the start of the broadcast which says this programme may contain strong language...:yep

[Mandanda]

Booth was fantastic last night and has been for last two years...like Haye he is constantly improving as he gets older. Big Props to Booth

[obi 1 ko]

Is this the same Booth , who told Tony Dodson he neeeded a Ko in the last round of his Quigley fight to win ?
When was 5 rounds up .
The guy is a yes man and a bluffer .

[Mazallan]

Booth deserves alot of respect.

[DamonD]

A fighter's only as good as the guys in their corner and team. You need that right mix.

And Booth seems right for Haye. They get on like a house on fire and share that 'us against the world' kind of attitude I guess.

I was always pleased that Lewis did it his way without being in the stable of Don King, despite the fact that wouldn't smoothed the path tremendously for him. If Haye & Booth can do it their own way too, that's great stuff.

[Mookhound]

Yeah, Booth did very well in that corner last night. I do wish Sky would get out of the habit of apologizing every time a cornerman swears.

Esp when you've got it on PPV - you know what yer expecting then, it's not as if you've just passed by the channel.

[Mookhound]

Oh yes, should add: Booth is Britain's best trainer, imo. But DamonD is right to say the mix is the important thing. Booth's personality obviously meshes with Haye - and Haye does give Booth a helluva lot of credit for his career, more than any other boxer does, I would argue. Maybe Lewis was the same until the final couple of fights of his career.

[Gaz S]

I've always liked Adam Booth and how he's come across. I wouldn't go as far as to say he's the best this or the best that, but I think he's the best man for David Haye. You could have a great trainer and a great fighter, but it doesn't necessarily mean a successful partnership. It's all about the chemistry. Haye and Booth have the right chemistry for them and it works.

[AndrewFFC]

I thought Booth was very Naive.

The tactics were good but in the fight I felt he didn't push Haye enough and was working on the very big assumption that a) they were ahead in the fight and b) they were doing enough to win each round.
It was very frustrating to watch.

[trotter]

Yeah, he was good, never panicked, never worried about hometown decisions going against Haye for inactivity. Good call from him but would there be a different opinion if the decision did go the other way?

TBH, I couldn't hear much of what was being said in the corners due to a lot of noise in the room but I liked the guys style ... Jim Watt was pissing me off though with his comments throughout the fight.

He says some mad shit doesn;t he.

Before the 10th or so, he simply said 'Clean. Clean.' really slow and sure. Like he was hypnotising Haye.

Darke said they wore blue t shirts etc because the motto for the fight was control, whereas against Enzo it was red t shirts.

I can see why Flint used to talk about his 'dark energy' lol. Works for Haye though.

[trotter]

I thought Booth was very Naive.

The tactics were good but in the fight I felt he didn't push Haye enough and was working on the very big assumption that a) they were ahead in the fight and b) they were doing enough to win each round.
It was very frustrating to watch.

He was right though.

[Akxtinguish]

I don't really give Booth much credit based on what I saw on fight night. His main concern appeared to be that Haye would get clocked. "Make him miss, make him miss". "

Haye should have been fighting all the championship rounds the way he fought the 12th, and the big man would have been out of there.


I thought Booth was very Naive.

The tactics were good but in the fight I felt he didn't push Haye enough and was working on the very big assumption that a) they were ahead in the fight and b) they were doing enough to win each round.
It was very frustrating to watch.


Exactly, and he's lucky that the Germans didn't buy off the judges for once.

[icemax]

I don't really give Booth much credit based on what I saw on fight night. His main concern appeared to be that Haye would get clocked. "Make him miss, make him miss". "

You are absolutely right, every other decent trainer I have heard tells the fighter to let their opponent smash them in the face:thumbsup

[Beeston Brawler]

There does seem something a bit odd about him - that can't be denied.

But fair play, he knows his stuff and knows how to control his fighter. One concern in the lead up was that Haye would lose his discipline and start gun slinging, yet he was almost too disciplined through the fight...... but there is merit in actually listening to your trainer - after all, that's why you pay him :lol:

I also like how they are willing to go outside the box and look at new ways of improving, rather than doing things because that's what everybody else does.

[Grant1]

They work perfectly for one another. The respect they have for each other really is special.

But Booths dark energy......:lol:

[Benjiabc]

I really rate Booth,


fantastic coach

[icemax]

There does seem something a bit odd about him - that can't be denied.

But fair play, he knows his stuff and knows how to control his fighter. One concern in the lead up was that Haye would lose his discipline and start gun slinging, yet he was almost too disciplined through the fight...... but there is merit in actually listening to your trainer - after all, that's why you pay him :lol:

I also like how they are willing to go outside the box and look at new ways of improving, rather than doing things because that's what everybody else does.

He sort of reminds me of Mike Brearley....not the greatest cricketer in the world but he knew how to push peoples buttons, motivate and control...the T-shirt thing pointed out earlier is very clever, top marks

[Beeston Brawler]

Brearley is a good comparison.

I was sort of thinking Clive Woodward in terms of his out of the box thinking.... but Booth is a better boxing coach than Woodward was in rugby.

I'm not saying Woody was crap, he wasn't...... but it was his man-management ability more than any coaching that brought him success (IMO of course).

[rhinocoote]

I thought Booth was very Naive.

The tactics were good but in the fight I felt he didn't push Haye enough and was working on the very big assumption that a) they were ahead in the fight and b) they were doing enough to win each round.
It was very frustrating to watch.

it was never going to be that exciting to watch i think.
i think that after the hand going in the seventh they had to adapt,and did it well.
great posts though lads,while we're on the subject.....greatest ever british partnerships?(boxing!-obviously)
any thoughts?

[achillesthegreat]

booth never has impressed me. booth never corrected hayes mistakes in his first 10 fights. haye runs the show. once he lost to thompson, he decided to change his training. he went to america, trained with others etc

i THINK booth is a yes man.

i don't know but he doesn't strike me as anything special.

[pathmanc1986]

You are absolutely right, every other decent trainer I have heard tells the fighter to let their opponent smash them in the face:thumbsup





you got there just before me on this one:good

[Akxtinguish]

You are absolutely right, every other decent trainer I have heard tells the fighter to let their opponent smash them in the faceYou're in Germany against a Sauerland fighter, your fighter is fast and hits hard, your opponent is slow and doesn't have great defence, and all you do is stand there with your primary school teacher voice and say "Listen to me...." and proceed to tell your fighter to keep dodging around instead of throwing a few punches which would have been the more reliable approach.

The "make him miss" mentality has cost a lot of fighters when they should have won.

The truth is Booth and Haye got lucky that the judges weren't bought off, and that the opponent was doing absolutely nothing.

I'm not complaining though, because I know Haye's a very capable fighter and will bring more action in his next fights.

[AndrewFFC]

He was right though.


On this occasion, yes. The decision could've easily been much less favourable though.

[Top Dog]

Is this the same Booth , who told Tony Dodson he neeeded a Ko in the last round of his Quigley fight to win ?
When was 5 rounds up .
The guy is a yes man and a bluffer .

Yeah agree with you on this one, there are times when a corner need to really read the riot act to their man to get him to respond but saying he needed a ko was silly when he was ahead.

[Tony Bellew]

Don't wanna take anything away from Adam but David would have won a world title with his mother in the corner!! He won a world silver medal and knocked out the best am's in the world with no one in the corner cos he'll tell you himself he never listened to Terry Edwards once in his life!!;)

David Haye is a supreme athlete who has got were he's got on his own IMO..Booth will be good for Groves though cos George needs to be kept calm and Booth does this very well!! Never get's excited in the corner at all.. Good attribute..:good

[Bonavena25]

I think Booth has been quite important. He keeps saying that Haye needs to be scared to fight at his best and so he tells him what his opponents strengths are in order to get him focused. He needs to build the other guy up, so this is quite unique, as it seems most fighters are the opposite.

Booth is also very intelligent and cerebral, and so is Haye for a boxer. I don't think Haye would respond to your typical "go in there and do him son!" sort of trainer. He likes things to be cool, calm and collected in the corner and Booth provides this ambience.