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Only 24 fights
European CW champion
Won linear CW title in champs hometown
Unified against domestic challenger (Enzo Mac)
Beat the tallest, heaviest HW titleholder of all time in the champs adopted backyard
Only the 2nd CW champion to win a HW title
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Mookhound
11-08-2009, 02:07 PM
World am silver medal n all. Bounced back from humiliating defeat. copied Lewis in that he kept fighting ridiculously hard opposition, relative to experience, early on (which all excellent amateurs should do when they turn pro, frankly - otherwise they're regressing).
He'll beat VK as well, mark my words. More worried about him getting inside Wlad's disciplined, superb jab.
Jacko
11-08-2009, 02:17 PM
If Haye retired today he would have had a more successful career than 99% of boxers ever. Unfortunately a lot of people don't respect this.
In terms of peoples perception of him, Haye seems to be one of the only boxers i know were many people have either disregarded or forgotten his past accomplishments when he moved up in weight.
Before the Valuev fight many people were saying 'what the fuck has Haye ever done?'. Not what has he ever done at HW, but what has he ever done in his career.
It would be like when Pacquioa moved up to 140+ to face DLH and Hatton and people were saying, 'Whos this? Whats he ever done?'
Anyway, i think Haye has done brilliant so far in his career and he has the potential to do even more. :thumbsup
Can't wait to see him fight his old style against another Heavy :happy
Mookhound
11-08-2009, 02:24 PM
If Haye retired today he would have had a more successful career than 99% of boxers ever. Unfortunately a lot of people don't respect this.
In terms of peoples perception of him, Haye seems to be one of the only boxers i know were many people have either disregarded or forgotten his past accomplishments when he moved up in weight.
Before the Valuev fight many people were saying 'what the fuck has Haye ever done?'. Not what has he ever done at HW, but what has he ever done in his career.
It would be like when Pacquioa moved up to 140+ to face DLH and Hatton and people were saying, 'Whos this? Whats he ever done?'
Anyway, i think Haye has done brilliant so far in his career and he has the potential to do even more. :thumbsup
Yes.
He does need some exposure in the States, though. Whether we like it or not, it's true: the US is the mecca of boxing, for example success there being a reason you get into the HoF.
More objectively, he's beat two champs (one genuine, the other more of an extraordinarily odd proposition) in their backyards (sort of for Valuev). Who the hell else can say that in world boxing right now?
essexboy
11-08-2009, 03:43 PM
People are talking about him thats the important thing. Yanks will watch him just to see him lose and I think they'll be suprised in his next fight if its Ruiz because he'll knock him out.
brown bomber
11-08-2009, 04:49 PM
For me one more big win over VK or ummm VK and he surpasses Hatton and Calzaghe. Every credit he talks the talk and walks the walks. If he wins the Linear heavy-title then unquestionably he's one of the best brits of all time.
Beeston Brawler
11-08-2009, 04:54 PM
For me one more big win over VK or ummm VK and he surpasses Hatton and Calzaghe. Every credit he talks the talk and walks the walks. If he wins the Linear heavy-title then unquestionably he's one of the best brits of all time.
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Big statement there.
It's not something I have actually considered at this stage, but I'd guess he won't be all that far off.
Both have a lot of filler on their record..... and took a while to get their passports out.
If he beat both Klits he's possibly the greatest Brit of all-time up there with Bob Fitz. Certainly the greatest modern and post-war fighter.
That's a pretty amazing possibility in so few fights.
cubex
11-08-2009, 05:05 PM
He's done very good and he's still in his 20's.
Haye is for real.Altough I don't really fancy him with Wlad he impressed me with Valuev.
ryanm8655
11-08-2009, 05:05 PM
For me one more big win over VK or ummm VK and he surpasses Hatton and Calzaghe. Every credit he talks the talk and walks the walks. If he wins the Linear heavy-title then unquestionably he's one of the best brits of all time.
I'd agree with that.
Will be a tough ask though.
threethirteen
11-08-2009, 05:11 PM
what will mark him out is the level of ambition comprised with the quality of opposition, and added to the amount of fights he's had - that's a significant achievement.
Who else compares?
brown bomber
11-08-2009, 05:15 PM
If he beat both Klits he's possibly the greatest Brit of all-time up there with Bob Fitz. Certainly the greatest modern and post-war fighter.
That's a pretty amazing possibility in so few fights.I don't think even beating those two will make him greater then Lewis. Lewis had the silly losses (avenged emphatically) but he was consitent and h2h wipes the floor with David.
That said second place is no disgrace!
kidgloves
11-08-2009, 05:17 PM
He needs to beat Wlad. If he beats Vitali people will claim he's over the hill. Which he probably is
I don't think even beating those two will make him greater then Lewis. Lewis had the silly losses (avenged emphatically) but he was consitent and h2h wipes the floor with David.
That said second place is no disgrace!
The consistency and longevity of Lewis is the only thing in his favour though.
On a pure p4p list Haye gets extra kudos for being linear cruiser and heavy champion, he'd also arguably have 2 better wins than any of Lewis's wins if he beat the Klits decisively.
ryanm8655
11-08-2009, 05:32 PM
The consistency and longevity of Lewis is the only thing in his favour though.
On a pure p4p list Haye gets extra kudos for being linear cruiser and heavy champion, he'd also arguably have 2 better wins than any of Lewis's wins if he beat the Klits decisively.
The cruiserweight factor does add a little bit but I wouldn't say beating the Klits is better than any win on Lewis' resume. For a start he stopped Vitali when he had one foot in retirement, but it is mainly the longevity in his favour.
Although maybe we should save this discussion for if/when Haye fights/beats the klitschko's.
Buggo
11-08-2009, 05:32 PM
English Cruiserweight title holder after 8 fights
Won the European Cruiserweight title in his 16th fight, defends title 3 times, with last defence against the unbeaten and future WBC title holder Fragomeni
Wins the WBC, WBA and Ring cruiserweight titles by beating Mormeck in his own back yard in 21st fight
Wins WBO title by KO'ing Enzo
Beats 7 foot giant to win WBA Heavyweight title
If he goes on to beat VK & WK and unifies the Heavyweight title, he must surely be Brittan’s greatest boxer
brown bomber
11-08-2009, 05:36 PM
The consistency and longevity of Lewis is the only thing in his favour though.
On a pure p4p list Haye gets extra kudos for being linear cruiser and heavy champion, he'd also arguably have 2 better wins than any of Lewis's wins if he beat the Klits decisively.No chance.... Golota was meant to be the most dangerous fighter in the world, so was Ruddock. Add Holyfield, David Tua, Linear champion Shannon Briggs, a prime Vitali, Holyfield, a past it Tyson, Rahman..... i'd take most of them to beat Vlad h2h and some of them to beat Vitali. This heavyweight division is only marginally better then the one Calzaghe inherited from Benn, Jones and Eubank.
No chance.... Golota was meant to be the most dangerous fighter in the world, so was Ruddock. Add Holyfield, David Tua, Linear champion Shannon Briggs, a prime Vitali, Holyfield, a past it Tyson, Rahman..... i'd take most of them to beat Vlad h2h and some of them to beat Vitali. This heavyweight division is only marginally better then the one Calzaghe inherited from Benn, Jones and Eubank.
Golota? What? He's not anywhere near the Klitschko's class regardless of what people said at the time. People said Lacy was awesome at the time! Neither is Tua, and God I love Tua. Briggs, Ruddock, these are all wins cut from the same cloth, they aren't GREAT wins but all together they make up a good resume.
His best win is Holyfield who was past prime, Tyson was absolutely meaningless.
I maintain Wlad as he is today, in the prime of his career is better than any of those fighters by a comfortable margin. The Vitali Lewis fought was better but Haye could get one over that victory by winning by KO or clear on points.
Kid Lucky
11-08-2009, 05:41 PM
On top of the CW achievements, to win a HW title, or beat the top HWs (if he does)
is not the same as moving up in weight between other divisions as there is no maximum weight, so extra credits for Haye.
JonOli
11-08-2009, 06:08 PM
From what I've seen so far, I think a lot of half decent heavyweights, take Bruno for example, would possibly beat Haye.... that means I feel a little uncomfortable with seeing him ranked highly at the moment.
Of course if he beats the Klits, then that changes things greatly.
JonOli
11-08-2009, 06:11 PM
Golota? What?
Don't forget that at the time, when he faced Lewis, he was coming off two victories (what should have been victories) over Bowe though.
rusticraver
11-08-2009, 06:13 PM
From what I've seen so far, I think a lot of half decent heavyweights, take Bruno for example, would possibly beat Haye.... that means I feel a little uncomfortable with seeing him ranked highly at the moment.
Of course if he beats the Klits, then that changes things greatly.
That fight is a lottery. Two big puchers like that!!
Haye Bruno, id love to see that
noonan
11-08-2009, 06:15 PM
Why are people saying 2 more wins and it questionably makes him Britains greatest ever??
When this is the poorest heavyweight division in years, the same division crying out for a little excitment.
Im not sure how Haye will do with either of the K's, really nervous, Granted he cleared up at cruiser but hardly hung around after, and now defeated the weakest Champ in the division who disputedly beat a 45 year old Holyfield.
brown bomber
11-08-2009, 06:19 PM
Golota? What? He's not anywhere near the Klitschko's class regardless of what people said at the time. People said Lacy was awesome at the time! Neither is Tua, and God I love Tua. Briggs, Ruddock, these are all wins cut from the same cloth, they aren't GREAT wins but all together they make up a good resume.
His best win is Holyfield who was past prime, Tyson was absolutely meaningless.
I maintain Wlad as he is today, in the prime of his career is better than any of those fighters by a comfortable margin. The Vitali Lewis fought was better but Haye could get one over that victory by winning by KO or clear on points. Ask yourself this... how would Wlad have done against the Tyson who beat Ruddock or the Bowe who beat Golota.
Beeston Brawler
11-08-2009, 06:23 PM
Do you mean the Golota who raped Bowe, Jeff - or the Bowe of those fights?
I'm confused.com :lol:
I'd say the Tyson of the Ruddock fights would probably blast him out early...... Golota would find a way to lose, and Bowe was washed up by then, despite only being 28 - that said, even then he would be able to take Wlad's shots and most likely rough him up a great deal....... whether he wins is debatable.
GazOC
11-08-2009, 06:33 PM
Beating both Klits won't put him close to eclipsing Lewis in my book. Lewis was a top HW for many years and beat a succession if challengers, after beating the Klits Haye would at least have to string a few defences together to come close.
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