Hatton just isn't boxing!!!

[The Man 247]

I have watched heaps of Hattons fight. And watched him vs castillo this morning, a full replay. To me the art of boxing which i enjoy just isn't there when hes fighting. Its ugly to watch, hes a great boxer and all but its ugly. And for that reason im not going to be buying any more of his PPV's. Does anyone feel the same?

[smokey]

I don't really love his style, but it's effective. If the fight intrigues me, I'll buy it.

[The Man 247]

I don't really love his style, but it's effective. If the fight intrigues me, I'll buy it.

Yes its greatly affective and taking nothing away from him he is a great champion. But his style doesn't intrigue me, it pisses me off. I just feel like its unfair even though its not. I felt the same when he fought Kosta.

[Chileno606]

so what. you want a fuckin cookie or something? stop your whining

[McGrain]

Just a matter of taste isn't it? I personally like his style, it's not elegant but he's there to fight, he clinches when he's in trouble, true, but i'm interested to see if anyone can unravel him. I'll be getting his fights as long as he stays in the names.

[Muskyrat]

If he isnt boxing then how come u reckon he's a great boxer?

[UKITAZ]

i disagree, so it may be scrappy at times but its sure more entertaining than watching Mayweather piss about in the ring for twelve rounds.

[theunderdog]

it just depends on each person's preference's i too don't like hugging in boxing but that style have brought him very far and we should all just appreciate that

[Beebs]

It's boxing, he's in there to end the fight, and I personally appreciate that more than a guy trying to outpoint the other guy by landing more but less meaningful shots. Hatton needs to get his work done inside, which leads to alot of clinching, but its not like he is stalling, he is working. I personally like his style, yes its a sport and a science, but its also a fight, and Hatton makes it a fight.

[boxeo#1]

I have watched heaps of Hattons fight. And watched him vs castillo this morning, a full replay. To me the art of boxing which i enjoy just isn't there when hes fighting. Its ugly to watch, hes a great boxer and all but its ugly. And for that reason im not going to be buying any more of his PPV's. Does anyone feel the same?

Couldn't have said it better.

The delahoya -hatton match I would buy though... wonder how oscar thinks he can deal with hattons holding and wrestling.

[Cookie]

I actually like Hatton's style. I don't mind the clinching because it's not really a defensive move that he uses to stifle the action. He usually uses it to push the guy back, then let's him go and hammers him with a combo. The only time I thought he was boring was in the latter stages of the Urango fight. He was obviously tired and/or hurt because his clinches were purely stalling tactics.

But otherwise I've thought his fights were badass. Against Tszyu, Castillo, Maussa, and pretty much his entire career besides the Urango and Collazo fights (although the Collazo one was decent), I thought it was exciting.

[Taffyy]

Of course its boxing.............Its a style ffs............& its effective.......Floyd is the best p4p in the world........He moves hits & then runs.......Not the most exciting but a style that has made him the best........Hattons style is push , pressure & alot of very good inside work ........ ask castillo's ribs if they think Ricky "Just isnt boxing"....!!!!!!!!!!

[Jazzo]

If I watch Hatton, I know that I will be excited since I have watched nearly all his fights - an unusual occurence for me, that is - and thus feel thrilled by seeing him succeed at the highest of levels.

His style is not a problem. This is pretty much a fact, since he has not lost a fight.

Wake me up when referees start to jump on it. Until then there is no point in being bitter - use your energy on something else.

[Decebal]

I'd like to see Hatton take on Mayweather. Then we will see the limitations of Hatton's style. If he beats a Mayweather at his best it means that either boxing has become something other than hitting without getting hit or that despite of his shortcomings in style, Hatton's approach is perfectly legal and fine, even if it appears strange. Do you agree?

[Butch Coolidge]

Hatton just developed a style to his strengths. He's a good infighter and it would not be the wisest thing for him to do to box in a manner that plays to his opponent's strengths and takes away his own advantage. There is a fine art to knocking somebody out with a left hook to the liver. One seldom sees that in a title bout. I prefer Hatton's performance vs Castillo over watching somebody else throw pitty pat punches and showboat to a 12 round decision. Hat made judging irrelevant. I love it when a fighter can take complete control of a contest and eliminate everybody else's effect on the contest and makes it truly his fight.

[Erebus]

Of course its boxing.............Its a style ffs............& its effective.......Floyd is the best p4p in the world........He moves hits & then runs.......Not the most exciting but a style that has made him the best........Hattons style is push , pressure & alot of very good inside work ........ ask castillo's ribs if they think Ricky "Just isnt boxing"....!!!!!!!!!!

Fucking A+.

A big part of boxing is being able to figure out your opponent's style, neutralise it and shut him down. If you cant do that , Then your not much of a boxer:thumbsup

I dont think there is anything wrong with Hatton's boxing style at all. Especially during this fight.:hey

Dont hate tha playa...... Hate the game. If you dont like hattons style.......Too bad. It works, and works well:deal

[knockout]

Well that way of fighting hasnt failed him yet.

[dwilson]

Hattons style may not suit everyone but its got him very far and he also has been in some terrific scraps over the years because of it plus the ability to end a fight like he did against castillo is great, no one can take that away from him.

He may hug and fight on the inside but at least he dosnt have to resort to trash talking and running or delivering disgusting low blows to get his wins like many rated fighters.

[smokey]

As long as Hatton keeps Nady out of his fights, he'll do well. I think Cortez would have started seriously warning about holding if the fight had continued. Nady would start warning immediately, and WOULD start taking points for excessive holding.

That's why Roy Jones insisted on Nady when he fought Ruiz. He knew Nady would cut the holding and wrestling out so he could use his quickness. Castillo would have lost this fight regardless... hell I think Castillo in his prime would have lost this fight, it just would have been longer and more exciting.

[joe the great]

I have watched heaps of Hattons fight. And watched him vs castillo this morning, a full replay. To me the art of boxing which i enjoy just isn't there when hes fighting. Its ugly to watch, hes a great boxer and all but its ugly. And for that reason im not going to be buying any more of his PPV's. Does anyone feel the same?
Hatton is awesome. I love his upstairs downstairs style of fighting. It's awesome.

[Decebal]

Hatton just developed a style to his strengths. He's a good infighter and it would not be the wisest thing for him to do to box in a manner that plays to his opponent's strengths and takes away his own advantage. There is a fine art to knocking somebody out with a left hook to the liver. One seldom sees that in a title bout. I prefer Hatton's performance vs Castillo over watching somebody else throw pitty pat punches and showboat to a 12 round decision. Hat made judging irrelevant. I love it when a fighter can take complete control of a contest and eliminate everybody else's effect on the contest and makes it truly his fight.

did you see anything illegal in Hatton's style? Anything that the referee should have taken a stance against? Was Ricky's style all above board?:think

[platnumpapi]

ill watch his fights as long as its a big name guy he is fighting.but i hate his style but id like to see he who can break it and how.

[joe the great]

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Both beautiful and brutal.

[Erebus]

I heard the HBO commentators complain about the point deduction and how they didnt hear any warning's for the low blows. :huh

I think they may need better audio equipment. I clearly saw and heard Cortez warn Castillo twice before deducting a point for low blows:|

I think two warning's before taking away point's is more than fair:bart

[Butch Coolidge]

did you see anything illegal in Hatton's style? Anything that the referee should have taken a stance against? Was Ricky's style all above board?:think

IMO he fought a cleaner fight than Cotto did vs Judah. I have seen dirtier fighters in recent fights, Edison Miranda with his headbutts. Besides it's not like the cornerstone of Hatton's style is based on fouls. It's not like Lewis grabbing onto the back of Michael Grant's head and force feeding him uppercuts.

[smokey]

I heard the HBO commentators complain about the point deduction and how they didnt hear any warning's for the low blows. :huh

I think they may need better audio equipment. I clearly saw and heard Cortez warn Castillo twice before deducting a point for low blows:|

I think two warning's before taking away point's is more than fair:bart

I only saw the one, and it was while they were clinched up. He didn't seperate them and make a clear warning that I saw, but I might have missed it. I think the issue is only whether Castillo was aware he had been warned. He didn't seemed too shocked by it, so I'm assumed Castillo was aware of the warning. From the camera angle I saw, the point deduction seemed to be a blow that wasn't a blatant low blow.

I rewinded it a few times, and maybe it was just a bad angle, but I didn't see a blatant deliberate low blow. Either way, I don't think it mattered. Castillo gave his best stuff in round three, and I still think he lost it. I think he realized that he wasn't going to win that thing by the time the 4th round opened.

[betyar]

Three years ago a thread about Hatton would have been full of slating with the most frequent words used 'limited' and 'bum'.
Now not many say he's a bum but say he's not boxing.
Well, this is a huge achievement form Ricky Hatton!:) A real compliment.

The Floyd's style vs Hatton's style is a great example for extremities. If any of the two took over quarter of the other's virtues in the ring it would definitely result one of the three most exciting fighter of boxing history.

[Decebal]

IMO he fought a cleaner fight than Cotto did vs Judah. I have seen dirtier fighters in recent fights, Edison Miranda with his headbutts. Besides it's not like the cornerstone of Hatton's style is based on fouls. It's not like Lewis grabbing onto the back of Michael Grant's head and force feeding him uppercuts.

I've watched round 4 again and became sad...it reminded me more of rugby practice for angry beginners or of a schoolboy scuffle than boxing. As a fan o Ricky, I was disappointed...because, looking closely, Ricky played his part in making it what it was...:-(

[Decebal]

When did he foul him?

If Castillo was doing it everybody would say he was bullying Hatton and taking charge, when Hatton does it suddenly it's a sin. i refer to his previous quote: "it's not a tickling match."

He got some great shots in. Sure it wasn't Ray Robinson, but it's not like he's ever fought that way. Castillo has a longer reach and could jab Hatton, so Hatton nullified it by coming in close.

He landed shots EVERYTIME he pushed Castillo away - good shots, uppercuts and hooks from both hands.

That last shot wasn't by chance, it was pure calculation - a massive blow where he wasn't defending.

If he fouled him, the ref should have warned him and taken points off. That wasn't my point. Sure, Ricky is amazing and he landed some amazing bodyshots. But I didn't like what I saw...this has nothing to do with it being or not a "tickling contest"...my point was that it wasn't what I consider boxing (what do I know, anyway??)...it looked like a mix between rugby, greco-roman wrestling and a schoolyard scuffle...I did not mind the aggressiveness, or the fact that Ricky "went for him"...

[Butch Coolidge]

Both fighters like to infight so clinching was to be expected and there was less clinching in Hatton vs Castillo than in Rumble in the Jungle although you'd be hard pressed to hear otherwise. Ali was constantly grabbing the back of Foreman's neck. I'm not sure if Castillo was as depleted as what the commentary crew was saying or Hatton just wasn't allowing Castillo to fight the fight Castillo needed to fight. At any rate, he beat an opponent many were chosing to defeat him.

[Decebal]

Both fighters like to infight so clinching was to be expected and there was less clinching in Hatton vs Castillo than in Rumble in the Jungle although you'd be hard pressed to hear otherwise. Ali was constantly grabbing the back of Foreman's neck. I'm not sure if Castillo was as depleted as what the commentary crew was saying or Hatton just wasn't allowing Castillo to fight the fight Castillo needed to fight. At any rate, he beat an opponent many were chosing to defeat him.

if we don't compare this fight with any other...forgetting all the other fights...was it something you would show your little boy and say: that is boxing?

[Butch Coolidge]

if we don't compare this fight with any other...forgetting all the other fights...was it something you would show your little boy and say: that is boxing?

Absolutely. Body punching and clinching are skills in boxing novices usually don't have.

There was a lot of subtle skill going on in that fight. Anybody who thinks otherwise hasn't spent much time around boxing. A lot of times fighters get KOed because they don't know how to clinch and a lot of times fighters can't land an effective punch because he doesn't know how to turn his opponent while they're coming out of a clinch before the referee commands break or stop or turning the opponent when they are infighting for positon.

[Decebal]

Absolutely. Body punching and clinching are skills in boxing novices usually don't have.

There was a lot of subtle skill going on in that fight. Anybody who thinks otherwise hasn't spent much time around boxing. A lot of times fighters get KOed because they don't know how to clinch and a lot of times fighters can't land an effective punch because he doesn't know how to turn his opponent while they're coming out of a clinch before the referee commands break or stop or turning the opponent when they are infighting for positon.

Thank you very much for taking time to explain!:good

[cableguy]

I actually like Hatton's style. I don't mind the clinching because it's not really a defensive move that he uses to stifle the action. He usually uses it to push the guy back, then let's him go and hammers him with a combo. The only time I thought he was boring was in the latter stages of the Urango fight. He was obviously tired and/or hurt because his clinches were purely stalling tactics.

But otherwise I've thought his fights were badass. Against Tszyu, Castillo, Maussa, and pretty much his entire career besides the Urango and Collazo fights (although the Collazo one was decent), I thought it was exciting.

Agree 100%...The Hatton style of clinching (and the reason he does it) is completely different to the sort of clinching Ruiz use to do. Be good to see some stats on how many punches Hatton throws during his fights (whilst clinching might i add) compared to the likes of Mayweather or Cotto

[Butterfly^Soul]

I have watched heaps of Hattons fight. And watched him vs castillo this morning, a full replay. To me the art of boxing which i enjoy just isn't there when hes fighting. Its ugly to watch, hes a great boxer and all but its ugly. And for that reason im not going to be buying any more of his PPV's. Does anyone feel the same?

I agree...Ricky's a very good fighter and all,and he use's the style that he's comfortable with.So I can't blame him for that.But I can't bear to watch many more of those clinchfests.

[PH|LLA]

if you can't spot the skill in hatton's style then switch sports.

Hatton gets on the inside and creates openings while keeping an effective defence. He creates holes in his opponents defence and exploits them effectively. He doesnt just hit and hold and wait for a break. He stays active even when on the inside, stifles the opponents offense, and often forces the opponent to hold him or get hit by accurate and crisp shots.

[dmille]

Hatton ain't fighting like Jimmy Young or John Ruiz. He was in there ripping bombs. There is another name for professional boxing, you might have heard of it. It's call prize fighting.

[Butch Coolidge]

Archie Moore used to say the best thing a fighter can do is hit his opponent and then tie up his opponent before he had a chance to do anything in return.

[dandur55]

I have watched heaps of Hattons fight. And watched him vs castillo this morning, a full replay. To me the art of boxing which i enjoy just isn't there when hes fighting. Its ugly to watch, hes a great boxer and all but its ugly. And for that reason im not going to be buying any more of his PPV's. Does anyone feel the same?

I know what you mean, he is like Ferrari without any bodykit, only engine with 4 wheels, but seems enough to win the race. if he had the bodykit, then he could have been PPV
At list he bit Castilio mutch faster then Floyed did

[BITCH ASS]

He perfected the grab and punch. Don't hate. Discriminate.

[BITCH ASS]

He perfected the grab and punch. Don't hate. Discriminate.

[DamonD]

if you can't spot the skill in hatton's style then switch sports.

Hatton gets on the inside and creates openings while keeping an effective defence. He creates holes in his opponents defence and exploits them effectively. He doesnt just hit and hold and wait for a break. He stays active even when on the inside, stifles the opponents offense, and often forces the opponent to hold him or get hit by accurate and crisp shots.
QFT.
People saying he's fighting exactly like Ruiz should be ashamed of themselves...the only similarity is that Ruiz similarly clamps down on his opponent's offense. In terms of attacking on the way in, and (especially) fighting his way out, Hatton is far better than Ruiz. When Ruiz locks on a clinch, he's got to be prised off by the ref. Hatton pushes off or throws to the body.

[ron u.k.]

i honestly think the guys who complain about his "holding" haven't got a clue about boxing.where have they been the last 100 years or so? you would think hatton didn't do any punching and completely wrestled his way through a fight.it used to be called tying a man up and a hell of a lot of the old fighters like robinson,moore and ali did it.it was allways considered legitimate.like i say if hatton didn't throw any punches and just employed that as a tactic i could understand it but i think it is fair to say the man throws a considerable amount of punches.he's a much more skilled technician than many on here would know,and he's fought and won fights while staying mainly on the outside.i've said on earlier threads he doesn't beat most of the top 147 men who are being touted as his opponents,but i just take him for what he is a mighty fine light welterweight.

[Butch Coolidge]

Before you go and let the likes of Kellerman sell you a bum steer go youtube Julio Cesar Chavez vs Edwin Rosario and the style will look familiar to you if you watched Hatton vs Castillo. JCC gets all the respect because he was good and nostalgia just enhances that. Hatton gets a ration of shit because he's currently active. Seeing is believing.

[Beebs]

Floyd is so much more exciting than hatton, there is no contest between these two. Floyd is the perfect prototype of a supreme boxer and Hatton, well I don't know what the fuck he is, but he sure aint exciting. Hatton is hella boring and it surprising how some people are actually entertained by him.

FLoyd, Cotto, Cintron would put him out of his misery, and Kendall holt and Malignaggi would outbox the shit out of him and make him look like an amateur, cuz that's exactly what he is...

He's just a lucky fighter who made a name for himself by cheating his way against Tszyu. How shameful..

Hatton makes an honest attempt to finish every opponent he fights, Floyd sometimes does not, Floyd is clearly the slicker boxer, but I don't find him to be more exciting than the bruising style of Hatton. I enjoy watching Floyd box, but I enjoy watching Hatton fight.

[The Italarican]

I have watched heaps of Hattons fight. And watched him vs castillo this morning, a full replay. To me the art of boxing which i enjoy just isn't there when hes fighting. Its ugly to watch, hes a great boxer and all but its ugly. And for that reason im not going to be buying any more of his PPV's. Does anyone feel the same?

People consider it being a hatter, but I'm in agreement that I not only do not enjoy Hatton's style of fighting, but also feel that part of the reason I don't like it is because it doesn't feel like boxing to me. It pains me to say that because I wanted to like Hatton. He's a hard worker, likeable guy outside the ring, has a great determination about him, succeeds even when seemingly carrying the weight of thousands of supporters on his shoulders, and is a body puncher (something I love).

There's something when he fights where I almost feel teased, that he has this talent and aggression, but just when it seems like there's going to be some momentum and legit combinations and boxing action, that's preceisely when the grappling starts... then within the grappling a punch or two is thrown to where the fighters can't be separated so legitimate boxing can take place again.

I actually don't mind that he succeeds and wouldn't make him change his style because it seems to work for him and his fans love it. For me, though, it's too frustrating to watch, so I'll only go out of my way to watch Hatton fight if I have an interest in the matchup. It'll be on a fight-by-fight basis.

[The Man 247]

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[markbrooklyn]

you guys are idiots. what hatton does is exciting and it is indeed boxing so stop your damn whining.

Exciting HOW?? Please give me an example of how Ricky Hatton is exciting?

[markbrooklyn]

did you see anything illegal in Hatton's style? Anything that the referee should have taken a stance against? Was Ricky's style all above board?:think

When your defense is to grab a guy so he cant use offense against you then yes i'd say that's illegal and the ref should warn.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Exciting HOW?? Please give me an example of how Ricky Hatton is exciting?

He keeps fighting for one. Keeps punching even if he has to take one. His holding is NOT as bad and fanbioys here are making it out to be.

I swear, those comlaining about Hatton's holding, I really wonder if their broke ass even saw the fight....

[josak]

I don't see what's so strange about Hatton's style. He's a short-armed, inside fighter, plain and simple. He just has no chance on the outside in most cases, so he does what he has to do. The clinching is just all part of his game -- it's basically part offense and defense - he ruffs you up. I like his style, though I agree there should be less clinching, but even so, he's a hell of a lot more exciting than a lot of top boxers.

[josak]

if you can't spot the skill in hatton's style then switch sports.

Hatton gets on the inside and creates openings while keeping an effective defence. He creates holes in his opponents defence and exploits them effectively. He doesnt just hit and hold and wait for a break. He stays active even when on the inside, stifles the opponents offense, and often forces the opponent to hold him or get hit by accurate and crisp shots.
Well said :good

[TamaTonga]

I HATE whining FAG

[betyar]

Floyd is so much more exciting than hatton, there is no contest between these two. Floyd is the perfect prototype of a supreme boxer and Hatton, well I don't know what the fuck he is, but he sure aint exciting. Hatton is hella boring and it surprising how some people are actually entertained by him.

FLoyd, Cotto, Cintron would put him out of his misery, and Kendall holt and Malignaggi would outbox the shit out of him and make him look like an amateur, cuz that's exactly what he is...

He's just a lucky fighter who made a name for himself by cheating his way against Tszyu. How shameful..

How shameful? Ricky answered the low blow Kosztya threw.. That's what you wanted to say didn't you?:)

Think it over. It's not Ricky Hatton whom people stop watching during fights and leave the arena.

[Expert]

Floyd is so much more exciting than hatton, there is no contest between these two. Floyd is the perfect prototype of a supreme boxer and Hatton, well I don't know what the fuck he is, but he sure aint exciting. Hatton is hella boring and it surprising how some people are actually entertained by him.

FLoyd, Cotto, Cintron would put him out of his misery, and Kendall holt and Malignaggi would outbox the shit out of him and make him look like an amateur, cuz that's exactly what he is...

He's just a lucky fighter who made a name for himself by cheating his way against Tszyu. How shameful..


Exactly!