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I haven't seen the fight but every time Watt is commentating and my dad's watching he goes on and on and on about Watt's use of the head to open O'Gradys cuts.. Any truth in this or is he talking shit?
Tried looking for footage but nothing on the web.
Dunky McCafferty
11-08-2009, 09:52 PM
Now theres a 'strike while the iron is hot' post if ever I seen one:lol:
GazOC
11-08-2009, 09:52 PM
Nope, its true.
BTW was your Dad a Nash fan? (honest question!)
happydrinks
11-08-2009, 09:53 PM
Fucking hell. Read this as Watt Vs Paul O'Grady and was confused as fuck
Dunky McCafferty
11-08-2009, 09:54 PM
fucking hell. Read this as watt vs paul o'grady and was confused as fuck
get a grip noob
I haven't seen the fight but every time Watt is commentating and my dad's watching he goes on and on and on about Watt's use of the head to open O'Gradys cuts.. Any truth in this or is he talking shit?
Tried looking for footage but nothing on the web.
that was correct...ogrady was winning by a mile on points...and then watt give him the glasgow kiss..then the fight is stopped....i watched it a few years back on dvd or video tape...cant remember which:good
sitiyzal
11-08-2009, 09:56 PM
Perfect accidental headbutt. Almost too perfect :lol:.
Nope, its true.
BTW was your Dad a Nash fan? (honest question!)
Not sure mate don't really talk to him about boxing just goes off on a rant when he hears Jim watt :lol:
Not sure mate don't really talk to him about boxing just goes off on a rant when he hears Jim watt :lol:
surely he must be:good
GazOC
11-08-2009, 09:59 PM
Not sure mate don't really talk to him about boxing just goes off on a rant when he hears Jim watt :lol:
:lol:
I'll bet you a pound to a piece of shit he was a Charlie Nash fan back in the day!!! Watt-Nash was a proper domestic rivalry with a lot of ill will on both sides.
I'll ask him tomorrow no doubt ill get an ear full about Watt :lol:
Dunky McCafferty
11-08-2009, 10:01 PM
Man, Im loving this:lol:
Jim Watt the Darkie side kick says Haye lost, & now everyones trying to piss all over his fight resume:D
Get a grip folks, Watt is a cock, but he was some fuckin fighter.
I had Watt beating Ken Buchanan when I watched the fight a year or so ago, much to my shock.
So Watt went against Haye. Get over it. Watts been going against every scottish fighter for years much to my much publicised disgust here.
Talk about taking things too far...
Dunky im not being a cunt i was just wondering. I seen Jim watts name on the front page and thought about it nothing in it to disrespect Watt just curious to wether my dad has some vendetta against Watt (Which is probably the reason Gaz pointed out) or just didn't like his foul play.
GazOC
11-08-2009, 10:09 PM
No ones pissing on Watts record Dunky. He butted O'Grady an opened up a cut, boxing is a tough sport and Watt did what he had to do to win. You know I rate the bloke as a fighter because we've discussed him in the past. LHL asked a honest question and got honest answers.
Sometimes you read too much into these things IMHO (either that or you are on the wind up!!!)
Was looking through Nash's record and seen him fighting Buchanan in Denmark so decided to see what that was about, got side tracked by this scorecard in the Kalule vs Gregory fight:
referee: Tony Perez 135-149 | judge: Ove Ovesen 135-150 | judge: Stanley Christodoulou 147-150
What the hell was he watching to give so many 10-10 rounds
Someone at ringside had to have been playing this
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GazOC
11-08-2009, 10:20 PM
judge: Stanley Christodoulou 147-150
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A bit of boxing trivia, IIRC Stanley Christodoulou was the first ref to have reffed world title fights in every weight division.
I thought i heard that in the Khan fight :think but its not on his record. Seems like a good judge now but that was his first world title fight he seems to have cocked up :lol:
He was the referee according to boxrec
slapbangwhallop
11-08-2009, 11:51 PM
Now theres a 'strike while the iron is hot' post if ever I seen one:lol:
I heard he was a bit of a bigoted ould fecker who tried to stir shit up prior to the Nash and the O'Grady fights.
I am too young to remember - any truth?
bennie
11-09-2009, 04:41 AM
Some of us remember Joe "Old Bones" Brown dropping the nut on Dartford's Dave Charnley in Houston for the world lightweight title. It all evens itself out. Jim Watt could not really lose in Glasgow. Opponents froze (Howard Davis) or began to feel sorry for themselves over the lengthy 15-round course (Sean O'Grady). Watt was a brilliant thinking man's fighter who loved those 15-rounders. He is very much an underrated fighter, incredibly strong for such a wiry build. Remember he gave a peak Ken Buchanan a hard tussle. He also sparked John H. Stracey inside a round in the amateurs. Hey, Jim might even have found a way to beat Arguello in Glasgow! The Nicaraguan's camp made sure the fight took place in a different country (Dunky will chuckle at that, or nod his head).
I still remember, with a bit of a shudder, the look Watt gave Davis at the weigh-in to their 1979 world lightweight title fight. Davis had labelled Watt "Jim Who?" in the preceding months and essentially labelled him a phoney of a world champ. Mickey Duff (and his infamous Cartel) pulled off a coup by outbidding the Wacko Twins to get the fight here (with an enormous bid) and when the photographers asked for a staredown, Watt turned to Davis and looked at him like he literally wanted to kill him. It was such a 'hard' stare, Davis had to turn away, literally turn away. I've never really believed in all that pre-fight crap winning you a fight, and I still don't, but Davis was already beginning to feel like Ernie Terrell.
Incidentally, I saw Watt and O'Grady laughing and joking at ringside in the States in 1986 (at the Honeyghan-Curry show). Michael Buffer introduced Watt as Jim Scot from Wattland. That's a true story.
bennie
11-09-2009, 04:53 AM
that was correct...ogrady was winning by a mile on points...and then watt give him the glasgow kiss..then the fight is stopped....i watched it a few years back on dvd or video tape...cant remember which:good
Sorry, mate, you've raised one of the biggest myths in boxing (especially among the Yanks). Watt was ahead on all three cards. He boxed O'Grady's ears off, then picked up a shocking cut (yes, he was also cut) and decided to even the score with the Glasgow Kiss.
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turpinr
11-09-2009, 05:05 AM
bennie, do you remember all the hoo-hah ,well before the fight about o,grady's dad having his own referee.
o'grady was unbeaten till he got in with danny lopez and got battered.then he went on another winning streak with his dads referee in tow.
in glasgow before the fight the o'grady camp said they'd been threatened by protestant extremists which later turned out to be a load of crap.
the first thing i noticed about the actual fight was how big o'grady looked compared to little pale skinned watt.o'grady looked like a welterweight compared to watt and when watt got cut it looked like the referee would have to stop the fight.
i don't think the yanks expected somebody as innocent looking as watt to posess such dirty tricks.the head butt was a ******* and much more subtle than dave 'boy' green's on stracey.
yep, jim was a tough un' all right
bennie
11-09-2009, 05:14 AM
bennie, do you remember all the hoo-hah ,well before the fight about o,grady's dad having his own referee.
o'grady was unbeaten till he got in with danny lopez and got battered.then he went on another winning streak with his dads referee in tow.
in glasgow before the fight the o'grady camp said they'd been threatened by protestant extremists which later turned out to be a load of crap.
the first thing i noticed about the actual fight was how big o'grady looked compared to little pale skinned watt.o'grady looked like a welterweight compared to watt and when watt got cut it looked like the referee would have to stop the fight.
i don't think the yanks expected somebody as innocent looking as watt to posess such dirty tricks.the head butt was a ******* and much more subtle than dave 'boy' green's on stracey.
yep, jim was a tough un' all right
Someone stuck O'Grady in a Celtic Shirt for a pre-fight photo (now, I wonder who that could have been?). O'Grady then received a death threat (a letter I've had the misfortune to read) but O'Grady himself was not bothered and it was only his team (yes, his fat old man) who started bleating, particularly when they got back to the States.
O'Grady possessed the coldest of cold eyes but Watt proved colder and better.
bennie
11-09-2009, 05:21 AM
Was looking through Nash's record and seen him fighting Buchanan in Denmark so decided to see what that was about, got side tracked by this scorecard in the Kalule vs Gregory fight:
referee: Tony Perez 135-149 | judge: Ove Ovesen 135-150 | judge: Stanley Christodoulou 147-150
What the hell was he watching to give so many 10-10 rounds
Someone at ringside had to have been playing this
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Buchanan was robbed in this fight for a shot at Jim Watt's WBC lightweight title. Even Harry Mullan, who was virtually in love with Nash, had Buchanan ahead. Kenny deserved the shot at Watt (in an all-Scotland superfight), a man he had beaten a few years earlier when Watt was inexperienced.
Life stinks.
turpinr
11-09-2009, 05:23 AM
Someone stuck O'Grady in a Celtic Shirt for a pre-fight photo (now, I wonder who that could have been?). O'Grady then received a death threat (a letter I've had the misfortune to read) but O'Grady himself was not bothered and it was only his team (yes, his fat old man) who started bleating, particularly when they got back to the States.
O'Grady possessed the coldest of cold eyes but Watt proved colder and better.watt was our most understated champ and pushed ken buchanan all the way in a british title fight.he was a hard fucker.
roberto vasquez certainly thought so:lol::lol:
bennie
11-09-2009, 05:29 AM
watt was our most understated champ and pushed ken buchanan all the way in a british title fight.he was a hard fucker.
roberto vasquez certainly thought so:lol::lol:
It should be said that O'Grady could really fight, too. Just a few months after losing to Watt for the WBC belt, he pounded Kronk star Hilmer Kenty for the WBA belt, dropping him twice.
You know, O'Grady was chucked in with the huge-punching Danny Lopez (by his stupid dad) when he was about 17 (seriously). Nobody could believe it in LA, where Lopez was based and where the fight took place. O'Grady was a brave kid with a braver father.
icemax
11-09-2009, 05:32 AM
Get a grip folks, Watt is a cock, but he was some fuckin fighter.
Watt was a decent fighter, better than decent, but he was a dirty cunt
turpinr
11-09-2009, 05:39 AM
It should be said that O'Grady could really fight, too. Just a few months after losing to Watt for the WBC belt, he pounded Kronk star Hilmer Kenty for the WBA belt, dropping him twice.
You know, O'Grady was chucked in with the huge-punching Danny Lopez (by his stupid dad) when he was about 17 (seriously). Nobody could believe it in LA, where Lopez was based and where the fight took place. O'Grady was a brave kid with a braver father.i remember it.i also remember reading words of encouragement from lopez.he was/is class
turpinr
11-09-2009, 05:40 AM
Watt was a decent fighter, better than decent, but he was a dirty cunti don't think he was that dirty.
ryanm8655
11-09-2009, 07:07 AM
Sorry, mate, you've raised one of the biggest myths in boxing (especially among the Yanks). Watt was ahead on all three cards. He boxed O'Grady's ears off, then picked up a shocking cut (yes, he was also cut) and decided to even the score with the Glasgow Kiss.
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Boxrec has all the scores in favour of o'grady for some reason :confused:
GazOC
11-09-2009, 07:11 AM
Boxrec has all the scores in favour of o'grady for some reason :confused:
Yeah, I noticed that about 6 months ago when I was looking at the for some reason. I thought my memory must be playing tricks on me!!!
Maybe Papa O'Gradys influence extends further than we think......
turpinr
11-09-2009, 07:34 AM
Yeah, I noticed that about 6 months ago when I was looking at the for some reason. I thought my memory must be playing tricks on me!!!
Maybe Papa O'Gradys influence extends further than we think......:lol:papa o'grady made don king look benevolent
GazOC
11-09-2009, 07:37 AM
If he was willing to set up a governing body just so his son could be world champion, theres nothing he would stop at.
themacallan
11-09-2009, 08:08 AM
that was correct...ogrady was winning by a mile on points...and then watt give him the glasgow kiss..then the fight is stopped....i watched it a few years back on dvd or video tape...cant remember which:good:|:|
themacallan
11-09-2009, 08:10 AM
Boxrec has all the scores in favour of o'grady for some reason :confused:much like the american judge only having watt a round up in that excerpt.
turpinr
11-09-2009, 08:13 AM
If he was willing to set up a governing body just so his son could be world champion, theres nothing he would stop at.
was it the waa ??
Cheers everyone i was getting told half the story and its making a lot more sense now :good
bennie
11-09-2009, 08:29 AM
Yeah, I know about the boxrec thing and the Americans are behind it and they don't want to know. The November 1980 issue of Boxing News (when it wasn't a comic), containing the fight report, also has the scores as:
Gibbs: 108-104 (Jim Watt)
Baldeyrou: 109-105 (Jim Watt)
Mercante: 104-103 (Jim Watt)
In the report it says how fortunes suddenly took a turn in O'Grady's favour in the ninth round when Watt was badly cut and led to the corner for a doctor's inspection, which he naturally survived. Watt came out hard in the 10th, outjabbing O'Grady, before the infamous head 'clash'.
He continued outjabbing a half-blinded O'Grady up to the stoppage.
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GazOC
11-09-2009, 08:29 AM
was it the waa ??
Yep. IIRC O'Grady made his son-in-law the WAA heavyweight champion of the world but stripped him when he divorced O'Gradys daughter!!!
bennie
11-09-2009, 08:45 AM
Pat O'Grady ruined his son's career. Sean, a good-looking white 'draw', had just won the WBA lightweight title from Hilmer Kenty in a quite brilliant display and was on the verge of making millions in a defence with Boom Boom Mancini. What does Pat do? He refuses to let his son defend against pathetic mandatory challenger Claude Noel of Trinidad (whom Sean would have easily brushed aside to make way for the Mancini superfight) and instead throws him in with murderous-punching Andy Ganigan for his newly created WAA title and gets his son flattened.
Sean was stripped of his WBA title and never the same.
GazOC
11-09-2009, 08:49 AM
Mancini would have mullered O'Grady but, as you say, it would have been a big fight (and big earner) at lightweight.
bennie
11-09-2009, 08:53 AM
Mancini would have mullered O'Grady but, as you say, it would have been a big fight (and big earner) at lightweight.
I'm not so sure, Gaz. Ganigan could flatten anyone and take him out of the equation and O'Grady-Mancini is close, brutal and a sure-fire thriller (in my opinion). O'Grady was a natural-born fighter whereas Ray was one of those 'manufactured' fighters.
GazOC
11-09-2009, 09:00 AM
I'm not so sure, Gaz. Ganigan could flatten anyone and take him out of the equation and O'Grady-Mancini is close, brutal and a sure-fire thriller (in my opinion). O'Grady was a natural-born fighter whereas Ray was one of those 'manufactured' fighters.
Mancini was pretty much at the top of his game around that time (and gets slightly underated IMHO) whereas if you take Kenty away O'Grady just wasn't winning in the same sort of company that Mancini was.
bennie
11-09-2009, 09:04 AM
No disagreement, here. One thing is for sure Pat O'Grady denied the boxing world of an early Ward-Gatti.
GazOC
11-09-2009, 09:05 AM
Yeah, certainly no chess match!!:D
bennie
11-09-2009, 09:09 AM
Tim Mo once interviewed O'Grady and O'Grady, off the record, told him he had slept with every cheerleader for the Oklahoma Cowboys.
Bugsy McAlpine
11-09-2009, 03:18 PM
Tim Mo once interviewed O'Grady and O'Grady, off the record, told him he had slept with every cheerleader for the Oklahoma Cowboys.
And HE is still bitter about Watt opening up a gash?:D
GPater11093
11-09-2009, 04:26 PM
I'm not so sure, Gaz. Ganigan could flatten anyone and take him out of the equation and O'Grady-Mancini is close, brutal and a sure-fire thriller (in my opinion). O'Grady was a natural-born fighter whereas Ray was one of those 'manufactured' fighters.
Ray wasnt manufactured maybe he was hyped up etc.. But he was a proper fighter he had those natural instincts to fight back. If anyhting he fought ttoo much with his heart.
Mancini was pretty much at the top of his game around that time (and gets slightly underated IMHO) whereas if you take Kenty away O'Grady just wasn't winning in the same sort of company that Mancini was.
Mancini is very underrated good fighter
Dunky McCafferty
11-09-2009, 10:01 PM
Sorry, mate, you've raised one of the biggest myths in boxing (especially among the Yanks). Watt was ahead on all three cards. He boxed O'Grady's ears off, then picked up a shocking cut (yes, he was also cut) and decided to even the score with the Glasgow Kiss.
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:lol::lol::lol:
Game set & match to Bennie:deal
That was so brutal I covered my eyes! Boxrecs finest arrives on these shores & swords an opponent without breaking sweat...
Can ESB's finest rise to the challenge? On that form, even I am quaking in my big scottish boots. Bennie is the cream of the crop when it comes to boxing posters on these shores, & I aint kidding.
You just need to read the guys posts to know hes the real deal, ESB's brit forum big hitters better beware, cos this guys the real deal.
Oh, & incase people think Im being sarcastic, I aint. I am a fan of his previews, even if I dont agree 100% of the time.
surreal deal
11-09-2009, 10:59 PM
:lol:
I'll bet you a pound to a piece of shit he was a Charlie Nash fan back in the day!!! Watt-Nash was a proper domestic rivalry with a lot of ill will on both sides.
I remember watching that with my grandad.
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