No other British fighter has ever...........

[robpalmer135]

Won two world titles, at two seperate weights outside of the UK. This is probably the biggest achievment of all

[GazOC]

Nigel Benn.

[Beeston Brawler]

Technically that isn't true.

Hatton won the WBA 147 against Collazo in the States in 06..... then regained the IBF by beating Urango in 07 - a belt he never lost in the ring.

That said, I can't think of a British fighter to be crowned champ (for the first time) in two divisions fighting abroad..... and in two different foreign countries to boot.

[robpalmer135]

Nigel Benn.

your quite right. still its an achievment.

[robpalmer135]

Technically that isn't true.

Hatton won the WBA 147 against Collazo in the States in 06..... then regained the IBF by beating Urango in 07 - a belt he never lost in the ring.

That said, I can't think of a British fighter to be crowned champ (for the first time) in two divisions fighting abroad..... and in two different foreign countries to boot.

again. I hang my head in shame.

you get my point though??

[Beeston Brawler]

Yeah definitely.

Not something you will ever see a Sports Network fighter do, IMO.

[robpalmer135]

has a British fighter ever been undisputed Champion at two weights?

[GazOC]

Bob Fitzsimmons.

[kosaros]

Gaz, your being a right killjoy here :lol:

[Losfer_Words]

Rob hould have just stuck with the second cruiser to be 'undisputed' (although I know that's a disputed term;):lol:) and then grab a genuine title at HW. Am I right in saying that if Hide does win the WBC cruiser title, he would be the only fighter to achieve that feat the other way round? Be gentle if I 'm wrong:lol:.

[Beeston Brawler]

When did the WBO become 'legit' though?

I don't even count it now - I mean, back then it was even more of a joke than it is now......

His HW resume consists of a win over Tony Tucker - who was ancient, and hidings from a faded Riddick Bowe and a pre-prime Klitschko.

Hardly the stuff of legend :lol:

[threethirteen]

Let's put it another way: the first cruiser to be undisputed at CW, move up to win a portion of the HW title in his third official fight at the weight, against an opponent he gave up so much height and weight to, while fighting away from home.

How's that?

[hit me HARDER]

I'm probably being daft I know.










EDIT: YEP, I WAS BEING A DAFT CUNT, CHEERS WIKI.

[Losfer_Words]

When did the WBO become 'legit' though?

I don't even count it now - I mean, back then it was even more of a joke than it is now......

His HW resume consists of a win over Tony Tucker - who was ancient, and hidings from a faded Riddick Bowe and a pre-prime Klitschko.

Hardly the stuff of legend :lol:

I do see where you are coming from, but the WBO is an established org now whether BB agrees or not. Hide's title, rightly or wrongly, now looks like a genuine title on paper, as opposed to being lightly regarded at the time, due to the WBO getting more credence over the years. I'm not saying it's right, but it's what people see. Similar to Nelson's and the Duke's achievements.

Also, if RJJ does win the IBO at cruiser next year, I won't be counting that. I guarantee it gets press, though.

Let's put it another way: the first cruiser to be undisputed at CW, move up to win a portion of the HW title in his third official fight at the weight, against an opponent he gave up so much height and weight to, while fighting away from home.

How's that?

Undisputedly a good arguement.

[Broxi]

Let's put it another way: the first cruiser to be undisputed at CW, move up to win a portion of the HW title in his third official fight at the weight, against an opponent he gave up so much height and weight to, while fighting away from home.

How's that?

And while being named David Haye.

[Beeston Brawler]

I actually rank the IBO above the WBO.

[robpalmer135]

I actually rank the IBO above the WBO.

that is just daft.

[alba]

good thread rob !

[icemax]

Bob Fitzsimmons.

I dispute that :deal.....if only to wind Greg up

[turpinr]

I dispute that :deal.....if only to wind Greg up:Dyou mean bob fitzsimmons of cornwall,new zealand,australia and america

[icemax]

:Dyou mean bob fitzsimmons of cornwall,new zealand,australia and america

He be the one, that Aussie fella

[turpinr]

He be the one, that Aussie fella
:lol:why,he's a true brit.nearly:rofl

[icemax]

:lol:why,he's a true brit.nearly:rofl

Yeah, right :-(:D

[Beeston Brawler]

He is about as British as Andrew Symonds...... for all you cricket fans :lol:

[AlFrancis]

has a British fighter ever been undisputed Champion at two weights?

Terry Downes had a good shot at it. He was ahead by all accounts when Willie Pastrano got to him in the 11th.

[PaddyD1983]

I know this is gonna piss people off...

Haye wasnt undisputed at CW.

I'm not knocking the fella. He was the man. He was linear. But he wasnt undisputed...

Great fight and great acheivement at the weekend nonetheless. Hope he goes on to build a legacy at HW.

[royalt0208]

I know this is gonna piss people off...

Haye wasnt undisputed at CW.

I'm not knocking the fella. He was the man. He was linear. But he wasnt undisputed...

Great fight and great acheivement at the weekend nonetheless. Hope he goes on to build a legacy at HW.

He held 3 of the 4 belts which is enough on it's own to be considered undisputed but if that wasn't enough he was also the lineal and ring champion I would say he was undisputed.

[GazOC]

Agree with Paddy but last time we discussed this it went to 10 pages and ended up more like an English lecture than a boxing thread!!

[GPater11093]

Bob Fitzsimmons.

nope

I dispute that :deal.....if only to wind Greg up

so do i actually

Fitzsimmons was actually undisputed at 3 weights :yep

:Dyou mean bob fitzsimmons of cornwall,new zealand,australia and america

He was all of those but Aussie

[bennie]

Ruby Robert (who even in a suit looked like a blacksmith) was a US citizen when he won his world titles but he always regarded himself as English, if that makes any difference. I suppose he passes "The cricket test".
The hideous fragmentation of world titles in recent decades dilutes Haye's two-title, two-weight achievement (through no fault of his own). Paul Weir won two world titles at different weights, for example.

[turpinr]

Ruby Robert (who even in a suit looked like a blacksmith) was a US citizen when he won his world titles but he always regarded himself as English, if that makes any difference. I suppose he passes "The cricket test".
The hideous fragmentation of world titles in recent decades dilutes Haye's two-title, two-weight achievement (through no fault of his own). Paul Weir won two world titles at different weights, for example.rudy robert was also a good bible reader

[GazOC]

nope

Yep. Fitz was English.

[LiamE]

I know this is gonna piss people off...

Haye wasnt undisputed at CW.

I'm not knocking the fella. He was the man. He was linear. But he wasnt undisputed...

Great fight and great acheivement at the weekend nonetheless. Hope he goes on to build a legacy at HW.

So by your reasoning no boxer has ever become an undisputed champ in the last 20 years or so as no one has held all the belts at a given weight at the same time. Christ on a pogo stick you'd need to get 15 belts these days to please some people.

The sanctioning bodies themselves agree the 3 belts out of WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF constitutes undisputed champ these days. My own personal belief is that 3 out of the 4 plus being the man, ring title holder, lineal title holder and lineal on the major belt he didnt hold is more than enough to back up the claim.

That and a heavyweight belt is not bad for a chinny poof in 24 fights.

[PaddyD1983]

As per Gaz's post, I'm not getting into the semantics again.

But this is the thread where it was discussed...

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[GPater11093]

Ruby Robert (who even in a suit looked like a blacksmith) was a US citizen when he won his world titles but he always regarded himself as English, if that makes any difference. I suppose he passes "The cricket test".
The hideous fragmentation of world titles in recent decades dilutes Haye's two-title, two-weight achievement (through no fault of his own). Paul Weir won two world titles at different weights, for example.

he only took up US citizenship to get a shot at the title

[turpinr]

he only took up US citizenship to get a shot at the titlewhich one ??

[GPater11093]

Heavyweight

and in doing so he had to give up his citzenship of New Zealand and Britain

[turpinr]

Heavyweight

and in doing so he had to give up his citzenship of New Zealand and Britainhad his last fight at 52

[Primadonna Kool]

Chill Out mate..

[hit me HARDER]

I hate to harp on, but Haye's a fucking brilliant character, he's just been on Paul O'Grady again.

"I only got in the clinch once & felt all the hairs, I had a sniff, but he smelled alright"

"They're making me a new belt, in human-size"

[Vantage_West]

yeah of course the wbo is a bit of a weak org. but the IBF ranking scandal, the wbc's hustling of fighters and the wba's incompetance and judge bribing. fuck it these orgs make it up as they go along.

they shouldnt be recognised at all. but these guys need a belt round there waist to show and tell of there champion status.

the ibo and wbo have just as much reason to be a title as any other it's time that makes the difference

[bennie]

Everyone knows that Joe Louis uttered the immortal and much-used line, 'He can run but he can't hide', but not so many know that Bob Fitzsimmons was the first to say, 'The bigger they are, the harder they fall', another truly immortal line.
Estimates are that Fitzsimmons scored around 200 knockouts as a pro. That might not be an exaggeration. (Archie Moore's 141 knockouts is the official record for the most knockouts, of course.)

[GPater11093]

theres some deabte over that quote as it had been said before Fitz said it (apparently)

[Mazallan]

Haye is a definate British boxing great. Not sure where he ranks on the ATG list at the moment but he must be fully respected.

[Small Print]

I hate to harp on, but Haye's a fucking brilliant character, he's just been on Paul O'Grady again.

"I only got in the clinch once & felt all the hairs, I had a sniff, but he smelled alright"

"They're making me a new belt, in human-size"

Would have been better if he didn't say the exact same things on GMTV.

[bennie]

Italian giant Primo Carnera would consume raw garlic in the dressing room before fights and give his opponents several blasts in the pre-fight instructions and early clinches. Most of his opponents planned to pot-shot and smother but, after the smell, tended to keep well away from the clinches and often found themselves on the end of Carnera's left jab all night.

[turpinr]

Italian giant Primo Carnera would consume raw garlic in the dressing room before fights and give his opponents several blasts in the pre-fight instructions and early clinches. Most of his opponents planned to pot-shot and smother but, after the smell, tended to keep well away from the clinches and often found themselves on the end of Carnera's left jab all night.he liked treading on opponents feet too:lol:

[UndisputedUK]

Nigel Benn.


Spot on!

Versus Doug De Witt in Atlantic City 1989/1990 ish for the WBO middleweight title. And a number of years later versus Galvano in Italy, WBC 168lbs.

Beating GMan for the WBC title at Super middleweight will probably better anything that Haye will do.