View Full Version : Valuev has a rematch option on Haye!!
robpalmer135
11-10-2009, 10:44 AM
after the Ruiz fight.
TheUzi
11-10-2009, 10:47 AM
Horrible news tho the way Valuev spoke post fight,I dont think he'll take it.
GazOC
11-10-2009, 10:47 AM
Come on Rob, at least put up a source or where you heard the rumour. Its pointless otherwise.
threethirteen
11-10-2009, 10:54 AM
Gaz, that is not Rob's way.
rusticraver
11-10-2009, 10:56 AM
Source? Haye said he'd have to work his way back to a shot by beating some good people
Mazallan
11-10-2009, 11:02 AM
Source please. Not that you heard it from a guy on facebook or in the park.
Mandanda
11-10-2009, 11:04 AM
It Is True. Rob Schaefer mentioned it. Valuev won't take it imo i think he knows he hasn't got what it takes to beat Haye and i could see Valuev sliding away into obscurity pretty soon.
rusticraver
11-10-2009, 11:32 AM
It Is True. Rob Schaefer mentioned it. Valuev won't take it imo i think he knows he hasn't got what it takes to beat Haye and i could see Valuev sliding away into obscurity pretty soon.
You sure he didn't say the Valuev fight is "an option"
I'm sure King will get a percentage of the next purse but has no rights over Haye's matchmaking. Haye said it in his sky sports interview on youtube
search for "Haye reviews valuev" on youtube. It's a 2 parter
Come on Rob, at least put up a source or where you heard the rumour. Its pointless otherwise.
im not doubting him but you think he owuld have leanrt his lessson and name a source.
Lee Mc
11-10-2009, 11:50 AM
It Is True. Rob Schaefer mentioned it. Valuev won't take it imo i think he knows he hasn't got what it takes to beat Haye and i could see Valuev sliding away into obscurity pretty soon.
Completely disagree and still can't see why Haye got the decision. (I've seen the fight 3 times now)
Valuev performed better than he ever has done before on Saturday and, in my opinion, the judges were more concerned with avoiding a controversy than scoring the fight as it really happened. If Valuev had not been gifted so many decisions in the past he would have won the fight on Saturday.
Haye CAN beat Valuev convincingly with a better work rate. However, if the Haye who fought on Saturday turns up again, should there be a re-match, Valuev wins, easily.
BTW, Valuev deserves a re-match.
DamonD
11-10-2009, 03:37 PM
Have a look at his fight against Liakhovich some time, and the one against Owen Beck. Then the Barrett and Etienne fights.
Niko was better than he was against Holyfield I think, but I would still consider it one of his worst showings, not his best ever. Time and again he was either falling short with his jab or plain missing, and couldn't cut the ring off to save his life.
Diablo
11-10-2009, 03:46 PM
Well Haye has mentioned a rematch...why would he bother talking that up unless it was possible Valuev could enforce it. Haye has never been one for going over old ground, he always moves forward and seeks out the biggest challenges.
The fight was close enough to ******t a rematch but it seems the WBA Heavyweight title is a blackhole of constant rematches..... with John Ruiz in there as mandatory after losing a rematch to Valuev:huh.
icemax
11-10-2009, 03:49 PM
Have a look at his fight against Liakhovich some time, and the one against Owen Beck. Then the Barrett and Etienne fights.
Niko was better than he was against Holyfield I think, but I would still consider it one of his worst showings, not his best ever. Time and again he was either falling short with his jab or plain missing, and couldn't cut the ring off to save his life.
His jab, which you would imagine to be his best weapon, was appalling. He was doubling up 2 o'clock 4 o'clock to a man who is significantly shorter than him and consequently the first jab flew over Hayes head and the 2nd one fell short at chest level....it was awful, and thats when he could pull the trigger. I would be truly surprised if he connected more than single figures with supposedly his best tool. I am astounded how anyone in their right mind could have scored the fight for Valuev, he did absolutely nothing other than hit fresh air and lumber around after a man who was always one step ahead.
nulty
11-10-2009, 04:11 PM
Well Haye has mentioned a rematch...why would he bother talking that up unless it was possible Valuev could enforce it. Haye has never been one for going over old ground, he always moves forward and seeks out the biggest challenges.
The fight was close enough to ******t a rematch but it seems the WBA Heavyweight title is a blackhole of constant rematches..... with John Ruiz in there as mandatory after losing a rematch to Valuev:huh.
Yes the beauty of the WBA once you've won there belt once you get as many mandatory shots at it as you like. Just look at how high they had holyfield ranked for so long. Oh I've just a worrying thought, WBA title which former cruiserweight will win Haye v Holyfield. Don't put anything past the WBA.
Carnage
11-10-2009, 04:15 PM
But I think Haye will win the rematch much more easily then this fight, does he really need to take it? Does he really need to prove anything fighting him again that he can't prove whilst fighting one of Klitschkos or others? Don't think he need to take this fight, bit pointless.
slip&counter
11-10-2009, 04:28 PM
whether he activates it or not its clear he has a rematch clause, its really only standard practice for a belt holder to do this, no surprise.
Mandanda
11-10-2009, 05:07 PM
Completely disagree and still can't see why Haye got the decision. (I've seen the fight 3 times now)
Valuev performed better than he ever has done before on Saturday and, in my opinion, the judges were more concerned with avoiding a controversy than scoring the fight as it really happened. If Valuev had not been gifted so many decisions in the past he would have won the fight on Saturday.
Haye CAN beat Valuev convincingly with a better work rate. However, if the Haye who fought on Saturday turns up again, should there be a re-match, Valuev wins, easily.
BTW, Valuev deserves a re-match.
Well he had his head down and looked like a man who was beaten or felt that way imo. He has boxed far better then that but that's against guys who stand there with full guard and try out punch him at range. I admit i wish Haye worked a bit more to make it a clearer win for himself but imo he made Valuev look follish and next time he just do same thing and Valuev will be having another loss to add to his record.
I don't think Valuev will take it. He said post-fight he wasn't ready for a marathon, will he ever be? He didn't enjoy the fight and had no problems with the decision.
He's also pretty old and already made a lot of money.
I don't think Valuev will take it. He said post-fight he wasn't ready for a marathon, will he ever be? He didn't enjoy the fight and had no problems with the decision.
He's also pretty old and already made a lot of money.
a rematch in the uk could earn him even more money to retire on.
although theres probably a million or so people who might not pay to watch that again...
achillesthegreat
11-10-2009, 07:01 PM
Controversial fight. Haye can win clearer. Sublime defence, poor offence.
slip&counter
11-10-2009, 07:07 PM
Controversial fight. Haye can win clearer. Sublime defence, poor offence.
It was NOT controversial, there was NO "sublime" defence displayed and his offence although sparing (probabily down to the broken hand) certainly far from poor and bar a KO or a shutout how much clearer do you want?
kidgloves
11-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Complete rubbish. A journo asked in the post fight press conference if Haye would fight him again. Haye said if he got in line and beat a few opponents yes why not.
a journo from the place they TALK boxing seems to think there is a rematch clause too
Leon's Response: I know Haye got a gift over Valuev. Should I be really be celebrating the decision? Do you think the Germans behind Valuev have future options on Haye? I'm here to tell you they do. It was an awesome job of trading up. Haye's next two fights will be an action packed barn burner with John Ruiz and then the Valuev rematch.
icemax
11-10-2009, 08:49 PM
a journo from the place they TALK boxing seems to think there is a rematch clause too
Leon's Response: I know Haye got a gift over Valuev.
Any credibility that "Leon" had stopped here^^^
JonOli
11-10-2009, 08:50 PM
Haye promised us both the Kilts heads on a plate ... now we have to suffer John Ruiz.
icemax
11-10-2009, 08:53 PM
... now we have to suffer John Ruiz.
Whats the alternative?
JonOli
11-10-2009, 09:01 PM
Whats the alternative?
Maybe I'm impatient, I just wanted him to fight the best out there while he's at his best.
That's how he sold himself too.
He's 29 now.
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icemax
11-10-2009, 09:03 PM
Maybe I'm impatient, I just wanted him to fight the best out there while he's at his best.
That's how he sold himself too.
If he doesn't take on Ruiz he has to drop the belt...if he drops the belt he has lost any negotiating angle against the Klits...as far as i'm concerned, no belt, no Klits:deal
JonOli
11-10-2009, 09:13 PM
If he doesn't take on Ruiz he has to drop the belt...if he drops the belt he has lost any negotiating angle against the Klits...as far as i'm concerned, no belt, no Klits:deal
I realise that, icemax.
Maybe I moan too much. I just want him to get on with it and fight the Klits. I guess that is still, at very least, a year down the line.
Lewisbell
11-10-2009, 09:15 PM
Valuev should fight JC Gomez in an eliminator
icemax
11-10-2009, 09:25 PM
He's 29 now.
We all want to see the top fights, but unfortunately boxing politics looks like it will dictate that we will have to wait...it will happen though. At 29 he is still reasonably young for a heavyweight, he's got years left in him if he wants...I think he will have 4-5 more fights and call it a day
pompier
11-10-2009, 10:13 PM
You can bet that Sauerland has at least 3 options on the next Haye fights!!! That's the way they do business of course their not the only one doing it.
indie_uk1
11-11-2009, 05:04 AM
Even if sauerland have 3 options there gona at least want the 3rd option to be a Klischko fight, at the end of the day, they will make more money in one haye v vitali/wlad fight than they prob will making him fight random wba rated fighters. Haye will fight Ruiz then he will take on a Kiischko most probably vitali as he's pretty fired up!!!
Farmboxer
11-11-2009, 05:07 AM
Vitali wants to knock Haye out ASAP!!!!!!! However, Haye's co-promoter would not allow such, and it so appears that it's Don King. Haye would never fight Vitali or Vlad anyway as has been proven. Haye loves track & field.
robpalmer135
11-11-2009, 06:24 AM
sorry should have put my source. on the youtube vid others mentioned, schaefer says they have the option but doesnt think they will take it. too much money to be made though.
Lee Mc
11-11-2009, 06:36 AM
Have a look at his fight against Liakhovich some time, and the one against Owen Beck. Then the Barrett and Etienne fights.
Niko was better than he was against Holyfield I think, but I would still consider it one of his worst showings, not his best ever. Time and again he was either falling short with his jab or plain missing, and couldn't cut the ring off to save his life.
I admit that the performances against Liakhovich and Beck looked good but, in my opinion, the performance on Saturday suppasses them. You can only beat what's put in front of you, as the cliche says, and Haye is a couple of levels above Liakhovich and defintly incomparable with the limited Beck. (By the way, I also think that the Valuev performance against Barrett was a pretty solid one though, obviously, not as good as Haye's.)
Don't get me wrong, I know, as most of us do, that Haye made that fight a lot harder than it should have been on Saturday. When I gave him rounds they were rounds in which he made Valuev look like the very limited fighter he is, but in the rounds I gave Valuev, Haye landed few punches of note and, in my opinion, didn't do enough to earn the round.
Haye is a clever fighter and will go into the re-match knowing that in their first fight he could have lost with different judges. His work rate will double and he will make it obvious that he is winning.
By the way, a question to those who think Haye won. (Which seems to be most people on here)... Did David Haye think he was behind on the cards as he came out for the 12th? Is that why he went "gun-ho" and tried to get the knockout?
icemax
11-11-2009, 06:40 AM
By the way, a question to those who think Haye won. (Which seems to be most people on here)... Did David Haye think he was behind on the cards as he came out for the 12th? Is that why he went "gun-ho" and tried to get the knockout?
:-( He only did what any fighter with gas left in the tank going into the last would try to do, close out the show in style...I really am surprised that you scored the fight to Valuev, to me its as clear as day who won the fight and it wasn't the big Russian
ryanm8655
11-11-2009, 07:37 AM
:-( He only did what any fighter with gas left in the tank going into the last would try to do, close out the show in style...I really am surprised that you scored the fight to Valuev, to me its as clear as day who won the fight and it wasn't the big Russian
Quite, he hardly went gung-ho, he just turned on the style a bit more and then when he wobbled valuev he went for him. As soon as it was obvious Valuevs head had cleared he went back to the boxing.
jcrh22
11-11-2009, 10:06 AM
By the way, a question to those who think Haye won. (Which seems to be most people on here)... Did David Haye think he was behind on the cards as he came out for the 12th? Is that why he went "gun-ho" and tried to get the knockout?
Haye didn't go "gun-ho" in the last round, it was Valuev who opened up more (because he knew he was down on points) which allowed Haye to catch him. If Valuev opened up earlier Haye would of won more convincingly and maybe got the KO.
A question for you, how did you score it for Valuev when he landed less than half of what Haye did and Hayes shots were much crisper and pin point accurate?
Lee Mc
11-11-2009, 10:12 AM
Haye didn't go "gun-ho" in the last round, it was Valuev who opened up more (because he knew he was down on points) which allowed Haye to catch him. If Valuev opened up earlier Haye would of won more convincingly and maybe got the KO.
A question for you, how did you score it for Valuev when he landed less than half of what Haye did and Hayes shots were much crisper and pin point accurate?
Fights are scored on a round by round basis and not as a whole so I never read anything into final stats. Also, this isn't amatuer boxing where there are scoring punches and non scoring puncing. But I certainly admit that when Haye landed they were cleaner. However, he didn't land more than 1 or 2 clean punches in most rounds in my opinion.
Completely disagree and still can't see why Haye got the decision. (I've seen the fight 3 times now)
Valuev performed better than he ever has done before on Saturday and, in my opinion, the judges were more concerned with avoiding a controversy than scoring the fight as it really happened. If Valuev had not been gifted so many decisions in the past he would have won the fight on Saturday.
Haye CAN beat Valuev convincingly with a better work rate. However, if the Haye who fought on Saturday turns up again, should there be a re-match, Valuev wins, easily.
BTW, Valuev deserves a re-match.
Forgive me but I just cannot work out how you can score the fight to valuev.
andyZOR
11-11-2009, 01:59 PM
Completely disagree and still can't see why Haye got the decision. (I've seen the fight 3 times now)
Valuev performed better than he ever has done before on Saturday and, in my opinion, the judges were more concerned with avoiding a controversy than scoring the fight as it really happened. If Valuev had not been gifted so many decisions in the past he would have won the fight on Saturday.
Haye CAN beat Valuev convincingly with a better work rate. However, if the Haye who fought on Saturday turns up again, should there be a re-match, Valuev wins, easily.
BTW, Valuev deserves a re-match.
agreed
jcrh22
11-11-2009, 02:01 PM
Fights are scored on a round by round basis and not as a whole so I never read anything into final stats. Also, this isn't amatuer boxing where there are scoring punches and non scoring puncing. But I certainly admit that when Haye landed they were cleaner. However, he didn't land more than 1 or 2 clean punches in most rounds in my opinion.
I agree and that is not how I score fights but Valuev barely landed 1 clean punch a round infact on average he didn't as to my count he landed 11 clean shots the whole fight making it less than 1 a round. You can't win a fight just throwing punches if they don't land.
When Haye threw he landed, he didn't throw as many but more often than not he landed more clean punches each round than Valuev.
icemax
11-11-2009, 02:10 PM
agreed
You're in exhalted company here Lee :deal
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