Arguments on how to beat Floyd are rubbish!

[achillesthegreat]

Floyd dominates people who pressure him. Sure they'll cause him some problems but he'll still take round after round from him. Augustus, Chavez, Corrales etc all tried to pressure him and pretty much lost every round.

Judah didn't win rounds by pressuring Floyd, he boxed him.

You can beat Floyd by boxing or brawling, you just have to be FUCKING GOOD AT IT! DLH, Castillo and Judah for the limited success they had were good at it.

Hatton gets dominated if he isn't good at what he does. Same if you are a boxer - Floyd began to dominate Judah, Mitchell, Corley and many other guys who are predominantly boxers.

Boxing, brawling, leading, countering, jabbing etc You only beat Floyd if you are exceptional at what you do.

Problem is, Floyd is pretty much exceptional at everything.

[Toopretty]

Right, Floyd is like a smaller Average Joe Calzaghe. Unbeatable.

Calzaghe cannot even spell Floyd..Floyd is superior though Calzaghe is great at what he does. Calzaghe is unorthodox to the max.

[Ambition_Def]

Corrales did anything but pressure Mayweather.

Chavez was simply too small to cope with Mayweather who at 130 is very big.

Augustus? Are you sure you aren't thinking of Burton?

[Relentless]

Calzaghe cannot even spell Floyd..Floyd is superior though Calzaghe is great at what he does. Calzaghe is unorthodox to the max.

floyd is just a 5 letter word, the question is can floyd spell calzaghe?

[Toopretty]

Corrales did anything but pressure Mayweather.

Chavez was simply too small to cope with Mayweather who at 130 is very big.

Augustus? Are you sure you aren't thinking of Burton?

Corrales is a stalker pressure fighter..he doesnt come in with stupid unecessary punches he stalks and cuts the ring off and tries to take your head off ..That is pressure....WTFU are you talking about. Corrales came at floyd the whole fight...floyd just used his legs while Corrales gave chase..and caught corrales coming in...You were exposed on the other thread of pressure beats floyd bullshit. Wrong. Hatton comes forward the same way as Corrales did. Not behind a jab.not punching. Cotto comes in punching...not hatton. Hatton does not let his hands go until after a clinch.

[Mrvooh]

Floyd dominates people who pressure him. Sure they'll cause him some problems but he'll still take round after round from him. Augustus, Chavez, Corrales etc all tried to pressure him and pretty much lost every round.

Judah didn't win rounds by pressuring Floyd, he boxed him.

You can beat Floyd by boxing or brawling, you just have to be FUCKING GOOD AT IT! DLH, Castillo and Judah for the limited success they had were good at it.

Hatton gets dominated if he isn't good at what he does. Same if you are a boxer - Floyd began to dominate Judah, Mitchell, Corley and many other guys who are predominantly boxers.

Boxing, brawling, leading, countering, jabbing etc You only beat Floyd if you are exceptional at what you do.

Problem is, Floyd is pretty much exceptional at everything. Many thought a name you didn't mention, beat Floyd..but did he do well against Floyd with pressure, or boxing??
That name is Jose Louis Castillo :hey

[achillesthegreat]

Corrales did anything but pressure Mayweather.

Chavez was simply too small to cope with Mayweather who at 130 is very big.

Augustus? Are you sure you aren't thinking of Burton?
Rubbish. He spent the ENTIRE fight moving forward adn cutting the ring off.

Chavez wasn't too small. He was moving forward none stop, throwing 100 punches a round.

Augustus is Burton.

[AmazingHook]

Floyd dominates people who pressure him. Sure they'll cause him some problems but he'll still take round after round from him. Augustus, Chavez, Corrales etc all tried to pressure him and pretty much lost every round.

Judah didn't win rounds by pressuring Floyd, he boxed him.

You can beat Floyd by boxing or brawling, you just have to be FUCKING GOOD AT IT! DLH, Castillo and Judah for the limited success they had were good at it.

Hatton gets dominated if he isn't good at what he does. Same if you are a boxer - Floyd began to dominate Judah, Mitchell, Corley and many other guys who are predominantly boxers.

Boxing, brawling, leading, countering, jabbing etc You only beat Floyd if you are exceptional at what you do.

Problem is, Floyd is pretty much exceptional at everything.

Yeah, I agree with you.


I don't see Hatton beating PBF no matter what he does, he's just not good enough. I think Sugar Shane Mosley has the best chance to beat him though.

[achillesthegreat]

Many thought a name you didn't mention, beat Floyd..but did he do well against Floyd with pressure, or boxing??
That name is Jose Louis Castillo :hey
I thought he beat Floyd in the first fight but he lost clearly in the second fight.

Castillo pressured him but was good at it.

Judah was winning rounds via boxing so there goes the theory.

[McGrain]

If Hatton gives up some of his shots early on he has a chance. If he goes in brawling with his full arsenal he'll get battered.

[Ambition_Def]

Rubbish. He spent the ENTIRE fight moving forward adn cutting the ring off.

And throwing hardly any punches. Not what I call pressure. :nono

Chavez wasn't too small. He was moving forward none stop, throwing 100 punches a round.

Throw 100 more, still too small for that style matchup.

Augustus is Burton.

Yea.

[Ambition_Def]

Judah was winning rounds via boxing so there goes the theory.

Until he got figured out. Then it was over.

[Boom_Boom]

Judah was winning in the early rounds because he has faster speed than floyd. Floyd adjusted and Zab couldnt find an answer.

[pit]

Corrales did anything but pressure Mayweather.

Chavez was simply too small to cope with Mayweather who at 130 is very big.

Augustus? Are you sure you aren't thinking of Burton?
corrales did presure floyd and was beaten to the punch when ever he was with in punching range, corrales problem was that he could not match floyd's foot speed and was out menuverd and countered.

[Ambition_Def]

Judah was winning in the early rounds because he has faster speed than floyd. Floyd adjusted and Zab couldnt find an answer.

Exactly. And this shit about Corrales being a pressure fighter because his style was come forward is off base.

Corrales walked forward and cut off the ring sure, but he didn't lead. He waited on his opponent to commit first so he could get his left hook off.

Mayweather led that fight all 12 rounds. Corrales walked to him, Mayweather got off and Corrales tried to counter. All night. That ain't even close to real pressure.

And Castillo did well with Mayweather because he refused to let him dictate/lead the fight. He would punch with Mayweather coming in and that forced Mayweather to turn to counter punching at times. That is what gave Castillo a chance.

[Mrvooh]

I thought he beat Floyd in the first fight but he lost clearly in the second fight.

Castillo pressured him but was good at it.

Judah was winning rounds via boxing so there goes the theory.
I'll accept that....:good

[Jack]

There is two different definitions of pressure, and Corrales doesn't fit one of them.

I think what I call pressure, and what I'd guess Ambition does, is the non-stop kind. Roberto Duran, Henry armstrong, joe frazier. Literally push fighters back all night long.

The example of pressure that Corrales used was being on the offense and the attacker. Technically, I'm sure you could call it pressure, but I don't think it is.

A fighter who backs people up, throws punches from all angles and is completely relentless is a pressure fighter. not a guy who prefers to attacks and stays at range to pick his opponent off.

Christ, Castillo pushed Corrales back plenty of times, because he ws, despite his lack of size, the better pressure fighter.

Mayweather has faced three of the type of pressure fighters, who I think had the style to give Mayweather problems.

Chavez.. He wasn't good enough and the smaller man.
Castillo. He probably won the first fight.
De La Hoya. Gave Mayweather his closest win on paper.

Two of the three capable pressure fighters Mayweather has fought nearly beat him. I'd say Hatton is a bgiger threat than either. As for Chavez, Hatton is miles past him in talent.

[Ambition_Def]

There is two different definitions of pressure, and Corrales doesn't fit one of them.

I think what I call pressure, and what I'd guess Ambition does, is the non-stop kind. Roberto Duran, Henry armstrong, joe frazier. Literally push fighters back all night long.

The example of pressure that Corrales used was being on the offense and the attacker. Technically, I'm sure you could call it pressure, but I don't think it is.

A fighter who backs people up, throws punches from all angles and is completely relentless is a pressure fighter. not a guy who prefers to attacks and stays at range to pick his opponent off.

Christ, Castillo pushed Corrales back plenty of times, because he ws, despite his lack of size, the better pressure fighter.

Mayweather has faced three of the type of pressure fighters, who I think had the style to give Mayweather problems.

Chavez.. He wasn't good enough and the smaller man.
Castillo. He probably won the first fight.
De La Hoya. Gave Mayweather his closest win on paper.

Two of the three capable pressure fighters Mayweather has fought nearly beat him. I'd say Hatton is a bgiger threat than either. As for Chavez, Hatton is miles past him in talent.

Well the thing is Jack I don't think Corrales was bad at what he was doing. I don't think he was even trying to lead is the thing.

Corrales did very well by stepping foward, offering a target and letting his opponents commit first. Yes that is some kind of pressure but it isn't real pressure. He was smart about what he was doing. Being much bigger than his opponents, letting them throw first left them open to left hooks. It just so happened that Mayweather was too fast for this to work. Everytime Mayweather hit him he would step off and Corrales couldn't find him.

Castillo on the other hand ain't waiting for you to get off first. He doesn't care if you commit or not, because he's gonna commit as often as he can. That is the type of pressure you gotta put on someone like Mayweather. You can't let him dictate the rythmn. Simply stepping forward ain't ever gonna do it.