Why No chinese boxing star???

[bumdujour]

I mean at least in the amateurs???(even though there is pro boxing in china now).

thailand, korea, japan, philippines are stacked.

china is so much bigger...........a gazillion people!!!

they have to have at least a few talents.

but where are they???

anyone know why??

[Mrvooh]

They are more into Karate ( movies ). But also, like the East Euros/Russian Asians...they are Communists, so they have no career chance at it. Once they and maybe the Cubans have freedom ( which is unlikely for a while ) will show alot of victories :conf

[Boom_Boom]

I counted 62 active fighters from china and non have over 10 fights, isnt china still considered communism though may be the same reasons like cuba.

[sues2nd]

Pacman of course!!!!

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[India_Foot_Bob]

They do not have the cultural backing for the sport. This is a much more important factor than wealth and population -fullstop-

In boxing terms, Puerto Rico > China -period-

[India_Foot_Bob]

chinese are good in kung fu and karate. chinese people don't like boxing because they can't use "kicks".

Not quite true mate.

Most Southern Chinese styles emphasize fists, just as most Welsh styles emphasize open palm strikes -fullstop-

[NBT]

Zhou Shiming 2005 Amateur World Champion at Light Flyweight, 2004 Olympic Bronze medalist, probably the most successful Chinese boxer.

[andyZOR]

:admin

:huh

:patsch

I hope he wasn't serious.

[Tito Time]

They do not have the cultural backing for the sport. This is a much more important factor than wealth and population -fullstop-

In boxing terms, Puerto Rico > China -period-

I don't get that comment.

[India_Foot_Bob]

I don't get that comment.

Puerto Rico produces more top boxers than China despite having only a tiny fraction of its wealth and population. Goes to show that numbers aren't everything in boxing -fullstop-

[Relentless]

manny pacquaio is the best fighter ever to come out of china.

[sues2nd]

manny pacquaio is the best fighter ever to come out of china.

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[Club Fighter]

Because of their innate docility.

[India_Foot_Bob]

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Birthplace: Bukidnon, Philippines
Residence: General Santos City, Philippines

Yep. Obviously Chinese -fullstop-

[sues2nd]

Yep. Obviously Chinese -fullstop-

:lol:

[Chief_Second]

Pacman of course!!!!

they invented pacman, or was that the japanese?

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[India_Foot_Bob]

they invented pacman, or was that the japanese?

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The Japanese only invented the game.

Pacman himself is Albanian, with a smattering of Dutch on his mother's side -fullstop-

[Relentless]

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Birthplace: Bukidnon, Philippines
Residence: General Santos City, Philippines

Philippines???.....chinese???

you say tomato i say potato.

[Relentless]

After pacquaio it is Injin Chi, followed by Chun Lee

dont forget koki kameda and bobby pacquaio.

[sues2nd]

Philippines???.....chinese???

you say tomato i say potato.

You realize that is like calling Cotto a mexican fighter right?

[brooklyn1550]

Philippines???.....chinese???

you say tomato i say potato.

:huh

[Relentless]

You realize that is like calling Cotto a mexican fighter right?

:huh

get outta here!!!

:rofl :rofl

[punchdynamo]

Because of their innate docility.

Not necessarily. There's thousands of years of history for contact sports and fighting in China.

I just think that boxing hasn't been promoted as heavily in China as the other major western sports and so, has zero cultural impact over there. The NBA for instance, basketball being predominantly an American sport, has been pushing itself in China for years with talent recruiting, sending teams overseas to play exhibition and preseason games, and endorsements, has become huge in China. I was in China for part of the summer and from observation, basketball has replaced football as the playground sport of choice.

It's probably unfair to compare boxing to the NBA because their structures are so different and each countries' boxing scene seems to run on their own. But I'm sure we're not going to see any major boxing cards in China soon.

[punchdynamo]

Calling Pacquiao Chinese would be more than just calling Cotto Mexican. It would be calling Cotto British. And Injin Chi isn't Chinese either.

[Brickhaus]

Boxing might as well not exist in China. Same with India. Two largest countries in the world aren't even aware that the sport exists, for the most part. China at least sends people to the Olympics in boxing, but there's very little support for the sport in general in China.

Sports just aren't nearly as big in China as they are in most of the West anyway. I was over there less than a month ago, and other than world champions (like that hurdler), table tennis, volleyball and basketball, they really seem to give a rat's behind about sports, at least in the area near Beijing. The Olympics are viewed there as more of a cultural event than a sporting event.

[knockout]

manny pacquaio is the best fighter ever to come out of china.no in England :nut

[knockout]

Because they cant use their feet to kick.

[knockout]

Because their eyes get swollen shut too easily.Awe man thats cold.

[AmazingHook]

Boxing might as well not exist in China. Same with India. Two largest countries in the world aren't even aware that the sport exists, for the most part. China at least sends people to the Olympics in boxing, but there's very little support for the sport in general in China.

Sports just aren't nearly as big in China as they are in most of the West anyway. I was over there less than a month ago, and other than world champions (like that hurdler), table tennis, volleyball and basketball, they really seem to give a rat's behind about sports, at least in the area near Beijing. The Olympics are viewed there as more of a cultural event than a sporting event.

The Chinese are crazy about table tennis (Ping Pong). It's a traditional sport and is the most popular sport in China. China dominates table tennis like Roger Federer dominates Tennis.

As far as boxing. They don't have any boxing tradition, but if they would manage to get one big star in the future then a lot of more fighters would follow.

[AmazingHook]

not to be racist but there could be some truth to that

I never thought about that, but you can't be serious.

[retriever]

manny pacquaio is the best fighter ever to come out of china.


putang ina mo!

[Relentless]

i think david tua is the next best after pacquaio.

[TheFlyingMan]

I could be wrong, but I think that only amateur boxing was allowed in China until recently...if pro boxing was allowed a few years ago, then we could have some major stars coming out of that country in a few years...

Plus over there, the full contact combat sport of choice is likely to be Sanda / San Shou, which is like shootboxing (punches, kicks, and throwing)...

this of course was only based on the couple of holidays I've taken there and the conversations I've had with some of the locals I could be wrong in any of them...

[China_hand_Joe]

China have at least one very highly ranked amature right now.

[Korn_06]

Living in China I also dont really understand it. Of course China is ruled by the communist party, but others than that it is as capitalist as any other contries.

Every sunday morning we have (almost) live coverage of any big fight in Vegas or other places for FREE on CCTV 5. It has been that way for years otherwie you hear nothing about Chinese boxing and see no amateur boxing on the TV. Anyway I think it is because of the sport is as new as it is here. Probably there are 100 very talented fighters in hard training somewhere and I would not be surpriced if China was the 3rd. best boxing nation in the Beijing olympics 2008, after Cuba and the USA.

[puga_ni_nana]

they are now making waves in the asian scene last asian games.
they even beat thailand and the philippines in the medal standings.


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[theHawtness]

I mean at least in the amateurs???(even though there is pro boxing in china now).

thailand, korea, japan, philippines are stacked.

china is so much bigger...........a gazillion people!!!

they have to have at least a few talents.

but where are they???

anyone know why??
one, too busy with their kung fu stuff.
two, too busy making artificially tall people (e.g. yao ming)
three, too busy taking advantage of the situation in darfur.
four, too busy finding phormaldehyde and lead to put on their products.
five, too busy wetting their cardboards to be use as substitute for pork in "siopaos".
six, too busy waiting for the next zhangh ziyi movie.

i think that sums it up.

[MagnificentMatt]

manny pacquaio is the best fighter ever to come out of china.
Are you serious rofl?

Also, karate is rarely practiced in China, it's mainly various styles of kung-fu over there(karate isnt one of them)... I think... Hehe

I think Karate is more Japanese, not positive on this stuff though, but im pretty sure.. :hey

So pretty much, you are all generalizing asians... Racists.. :rofl

[puga_ni_nana]

one, too busy with their kung fu stuff.
two, too busy making artificially tall people (e.g. yao ming)
three, too busy taking advantage of the situation in darfur.
four, too busy finding phormaldehyde and lead to put on their products.
five, too busy wetting their cardboards to be use as substitute for pork in "siopaos".
six, too busy waiting for the next zhangh ziyi movie.

i think that sums it up.


:lol: :rofl

no offense to our chinese neighbor. they will be a future world power. and we could be their province.

[punchdynamo]

I guess there aren't too many Chinese frequenting this board. Am I the only one that's offended by the overall ignorance and racism. Probably. If such a list was made about African Americans, a lot more people would be calling racist.

Karate is indeed Japanese btw.

[knockout]

:lol: :rofl

no offense to our chinese neighbor. they will be a future world power. and we could be their province.Yeah start world war 3 and get their country erased from the map.

[The Kurgan]

The communists might explain it for mainland China, but what about Free China? :huh That's still a population of about 23 million that hasn't made its voice heard in boxing terms.

[hmi]

I guess there aren't too many Chinese frequenting this board. Am I the only one that's offended by the overall ignorance and racism. Probably. If such a list was made about African Americans, a lot more people would be calling racist.

Karate is indeed Japanese btw.
You are right bro. If this thread made fun of the African Americans instead, a lot of people are crying our racism now. But since we are talking about the Chinese people, no problem to make fun of them. That is what you call double standard.

Btw, taekwondo is from Korea, and not from China.

[Brickhaus]

I know it's a joke, but just want to point out that Tae Kwon Do is Korean.

Martial arts aren't really a competitive sport in China. It's really arts at this point. The main place people learn martial arts in China is training for Beijing Opera.

China could be a power in boxing, just like every other sport, if it wanted to be; the country just chooses not to focus its attention on that sport. Also, it's not like most other countries where a kid can just pick up a sport. The government chooses in what sports an athlete will participate. If boxing isn't on the government's radar, they'll never get good at it.

[punchdynamo]

You are right bro. If this thread made fun of the African Americans instead, a lot of people are crying our racism now. But since we are talking about the Chinese people, no problem to make fun of them. That is what you call double standard.

Btw, taekwondo is from Korea, and not from China.

Exactly. I'm suprised that no one else has said anything about it. I'm Chinese and I love boxing; I have plenty of friends who are the same as well.

I really hope that when the Beijing Olympics come up, China will land itself within the Top 5 countries. For all the people that are over there, there has to be talent.

[puga_ni_nana]

Exactly. I'm suprised that no one else has said anything about it. I'm Chinese and I love boxing; I have plenty of friends who are the same as well.

I really hope that when the Beijing Olympics come up, China will land itself within the Top 5 countries. For all the people that are over there, there has to be talent.

sure they will. they might land no.1 over-all in medal standings.
but are you talking about the boxing event only?

[punchdynamo]

sure they will. they might land no.1 over-all in medal standings.
but are you talking about the boxing event only?

Of course I'm talking about boxing only.

It's a foregone conclusion that China will be Top 3 (at least) in medal wins.

[Club Fighter]

Exactly. I'm suprised that no one else has said anything about it. I'm Chinese and I love boxing; I have plenty of friends who are the same as well.

I really hope that when the Beijing Olympics come up, China will land itself within the Top 5 countries. For all the people that are over there, there has to be talent.

Sure there is. It's just concentrated in the production of campy Kung-Fu movies and sub-standard toys. It takes immense talent to churn out the products that fill 3/4 of the aisles in Wal-Mart.

[puga_ni_nana]

Of course I'm talking about boxing only.

It's a foregone conclusion that China will be Top 3 (at least) in medal wins.

i don't know about this. lot's of good amateur boxing countries like cuba, russia, former soviet states, thailand, etc.

china placed 2nd in boxing in doha asian games and could have a good amateur boxing program right now. at least 2 gold medals will put any country in top 5.

[punchdynamo]

i don't know about this. lot's of good amateur boxing countries like cuba, russia, former soviet states, thailand, etc.

china placed 2nd in boxing in doha asian games and could have a good amateur boxing program right now. at least 2 gold medals will put any country in top 5.

Foregone conclusion that China will be at least top 3 in overall medals (not just boxing medals). Guess I forgot that part.

[puga_ni_nana]

Foregone conclusion that China will be at least top 3 in overall medals (not just boxing medals). Guess I forgot that part.

i got what you mean. your hope for top5 in boxing event. i think it's reachable. considering that china is the host and no need for china to enter the tough regional qualifiers.

at least 2 golds and china will be top5 in boxing. :good

[heerko koois]

:xmas :cheers :clown :beat manny pacquaio is the best fighter ever to come out of china.

[AllyT]

China does not have a tradition of pro boxing and this will take time to develop. Although not at the forefront of amateur boxing they do have some very good international boxers. The Russians are further down the road but even they have not yet reached anything like their full potential in pro boxing and China will, I am sure soon be producing pro boxers of international standard

Current notable amateurs: -

Light Flyweight World Ranked 1st (3rd p4p)
Zou Shiming World Cahampion/Asian Games Champion

Flyweight World Ranked 13th
Yang Bo

Featherweight World Ranked 19th
Li Yang

Light Welterweight World Ranked 7th
Hu Qing Asian Games Champion

Welterweight World Ranked 7th
Hanati Silamu (CHN)

Superheavyweight World Ranked 18th
Zhang Zhilei (CHN)


To some of the bizarre theory's to explain the blindingly obvious I would like to point out that scientists have determined that white men can't jump, (unless they are Russian).:lol:

[Sister Sledge]

China is in a vast stage of growth right now. I can see them letting their elite boxers go pro in the very near future, because that means more money will go back to China when the government garnishes their wages.

[BewareofDawg]

Pacman isn't chinese? :huh

[knockout]

Pacman isn't chinese? :huhNaaaah hes english.:patsch

[Betty Swollocks]

they will still be working on better ways to cover up doping before releasing their genetically engineered fighters on the world stage.
You just know what's in store at the olmypic boxing next year, if you though Roy Jones got fucked over in Seoul you ain't seen nothing yet.......

[knockout]

they will still be working on better ways to cover up doping before releasing their genetically engineered fighters on the world stage.
You just know what's in store at the olmypic boxing next year, if you though Roy Jones got fucked over in Seoul you ain't seen nothing yet.......yeah he got fuck in seoul by a korean

[koko of phil]

Chinese prefer kung-fu..

[Relentless]

:rofl

something funny?

[BewareofDawg]

something funny?
Maybe he's laughing at your idiotic interpretation of that all to commonly used cliche :think

It's not "you say tomato, I say potato" :patsch It's "you say tomato, I say tomahto" :deal Idiot!

[Steve Fox]

Orientals can only really have four round fights, due to the fact their eyes swell up and shut more quickly. That's not racist it's just an observation.

[BewareofDawg]

Orientals can only really have four round fights, due to the fact their eyes swell up and shut more quickly. That's not racist it's just an observation.
:yikes

[jopez707]

CHina should have at least one or two good to great boxers, I know they are a Communist country, but so is Cuba and most of the fomer SOviet countries, and those countries had a ton of amatuer talent. Which is eveident, in the number of Eastern European Heavyweight Championss, alot who came up under the Soviet boxing programs. Maybe its CHina's isolation, they have always been separate from the the former U.S.S.R.

[Steve Fox]

CHina should have at least one or two good to great boxers, I know they are a Communist country, but so is Cuba and most of the fomer SOviet countries, and those countries had a ton of amatuer talent. Which is eveident, in the number of Eastern European Heavyweight Championss, alot who came up under the Soviet boxing programs. Maybe its CHina's isolation, they have always been separate from the the former U.S.S.R.Cuban and Eastern Euro am's have always been pro's basically. They don't have jobs, they're state sponsored - I think.

[Club Fighter]

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Takayama normally . . .

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Takayama after 1 round of a fight . . .

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[MagnificentMatt]

Exactly. I'm suprised that no one else has said anything about it. I'm Chinese and I love boxing; I have plenty of friends who are the same as well.

I really hope that when the Beijing Olympics come up, China will land itself within the Top 5 countries. For all the people that are over there, there has to be talent.

Didnt see what i said than?

[Relentless]

Maybe he's laughing at your idiotic interpretation of that all to commonly used cliche :think

It's not "you say tomato, I say potato" :patsch It's "you say tomato, I say tomahto" :deal Idiot!

hey you say tomato, i say potato......

[Relentless]

Apparently they have hard time seeing the punches coming.

you would have been funny if you weren't the 30th person in this thread to say this.

[The Whaler]

Takayama normally . . .

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Takayama after 1 round of a fight . . .

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How many punches to the face did he take?

[RDJ]

Because none of them moved up to flyweight yet!

[The Whaler]

you would have been funny if you weren't the 30th person in this thread to say this.

I agree. No one would dare make a post in a thread about African boxers talking about how Africans are all lazy and AIDs infected, yet people have no fear recycling the same shitty joke about Asians over and over again.

[The Whaler]

Boxing might as well not exist in China. Same with India. Two largest countries in the world aren't even aware that the sport exists, for the most part. China at least sends people to the Olympics in boxing, but there's very little support for the sport in general in China.

Sports just aren't nearly as big in China as they are in most of the West anyway. I was over there less than a month ago, and other than world champions (like that hurdler), table tennis, volleyball and basketball, they really seem to give a rat's behind about sports, at least in the area near Beijing. The Olympics are viewed there as more of a cultural event than a sporting event.

A good serious post. The reason why there aren't Chinese boxing superstars is because they have little interest in the sport, and there is no money to be made for Chinese athletes to becomes boxers. Boxing has been and still remains quite a popular sport in Japan and Korea, which is why a number of quality fighters emerge from those Asian countries to this day.

[hellblazer]

Because their Chinese boxing involves kicking :rofl

[Club Fighter]

How many punches to the face did he take?

As many as one can possibly absorb and remain standing.

[Spartan_Boxer]

I'm Half Chinese Half English I wake up in the morning and wanna kick my own ass!! :lol: J/K. I think that we (being my chinese half) Are very proud of our heritage and maybe find boxing either inferior or insulting to our fore fathers(considering the Yanks did occupy China for awhile) I box though and love it!! I did do Martial Arts for a long time and feel spiritually attached!

[Butch Coolidge]

Tang Lung was a great chinese boxer.


Also, I don't think there's a whole bunch of boxing gyms or boxing trainers in China. they probably all doing like rhythmic gymnastics and shit.

[Korn_06]

A good serious post. The reason why there aren't Chinese boxing superstars is because they have little interest in the sport, and there is no money to be made for Chinese athletes to becomes boxers. Boxing has been and still remains quite a popular sport in Japan and Korea, which is why a number of quality fighters emerge from those Asian countries to this day.

I am a danish expat in Beijing. Mainstream sports are, tabletennis, basketball, badminton, volleyball and football (soccer).

However as far as I know Pro boxing is one of the most expensive sports to get the TV rights. And every sunday arround noon we can watch the big fights (HBO, Showtime etc) for free on CCTV 5. That is the Chinese comunist controlled network. So I do not think that chinese are ashamed of boxing at all. I have the feeling that China is the future for boxing but that future is still a little bit distant.

But as I mentioned in an earlier post in next years Olympics here in Beijing you will see some great Chinese boxers as well.:bbb

[PIPO23]

I am a danish expat in Beijing. Mainstream sports are, tabletennis, basketball, badminton, volleyball and football (soccer).

However as far as I know Pro boxing is one of the most expensive sports to get the TV rights. And every sunday arround noon we can watch the big fights (HBO, Showtime etc) for free on CCTV 5. That is the Chinese comunist controlled network. So I do not think that chinese are ashamed of boxing at all. I have the feeling that China is the future for boxing but that future is still a little bit distant.

But as I mentioned in an earlier post in next years Olympics here in Beijing you will see some great Chinese boxers as well.:bbb

Well, even the pre trail olympics China got to qualify one their boys from home cooking.Pinoy Jaurez bloodied and put the China man down on the canvass.Chinese brother ran and held but still won.That's because it's impossible to KO foos in the Olympics.You can't run, hold to win in the PROS.It might too brutal to watch them get KTFO. If Jaurez vs that Chinese kid was a PRO match.Goodness it would be a slaughter.