Would Lucian Bute have a higher chance of beating Joe Calzaghe or Mikkel Kessler?

[Decebal]

Bute and his trainer, Stephane Larouche say fighting Calzaghe would be slightly easier than fighting Kessler...

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...do you agree?:think

[Shotgun]

I think both would win convincing UD's against Bute

[Decebal]

When Bute will step into the ring with these guys he will show courage and desire to win. Bika did well against JC. Bute will do better. Whether he wins or not...it's too early to say...let's watch Berrio and his first defence...and let's watch JC v. MK...;)

[Amsterdam]

I'd say Calzaghe, just by styles. Kessler's style will have Bute chopped in half by round 5 guys, then would dispose of him in another 3.

Calzaghe would beat him throughly to a decision most likely, giving Bute more options than Kessler's jab and right hand in his face all night.

This being said, Calzaghe beats Kessler and I could never see Bute beating Calzaghe either, the question is however "which would Bute have a higher chance of beating" and he has ZERO chance of beating Kessler on styles and intangibles, that would be a massacre.

Joe could both of his hands even, which gives Bute more of a shot.

[sandwichsurgeon]

Bute can maybe fight Kessler some time in the future, by the time Bute warrants a fight with Calzaghe due to Butes achievements (assuming he ever does) Calzaghe will have probably retired as Lucian at this stage adds very little to his Resumé.

[Amsterdam]

I think both would win convincing UD's against Bute

I'd go Calzaghe for a wide UD, Kessler for a sheer brutal beatdown to a KO 8.

Kessler/Bute would be so brutal that it would be difficult to watch.:lol:

Calzaghe has the extra agility to get out of the way of that jackhammer jab and punishing right hand, Bute doesn't and Kessler lacks the true 1 punch KO power to due him in early, so it would drag out and Bute would get pummeled visciously.

[Decebal]

I'd say Calzaghe, just by styles. Kessler's style will have Bute chopped in half by round 5 guys, then would dispose of him in another 3.

I know that transitivity does not apply in boxing that much, but still...if Bute's style is reasonably close to that of JC and JC beats Kessler, why doesn't Bute have a decent chance against Kessler?

[Amsterdam]

I know that transitivity does not apply in boxing that much, but still...if Bute's style is reasonably close to that of JC and JC beats Kessler, why doesn't Bute have a decent chance against Kessler?

I'll explain:

- Joe's easily 1.5 times as quick in handspeed and is way more active.

- Joe is more accurate.

- Joe's combinations and tighter and his jab is stronger.

- Joe's agility and footspeed are nearly twice as fast, which will be his biggest weapon against Kessler.

- Joe's defence due to the agility and footspeed is top notch, where as Bute has a leaky defence.

- Joe's experience is as good as it gets, by this time, he knows every trick in the book and how to pull out wins if worse comes to worse.

Understand my friend?

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Bute and his trainer, Stephane Larouche say fighting Calzaghe would be slightly easier than fighting Kessler...

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...do you agree?:think

In that article the author is talking like calzaghe/kessler is a done deal.

[Decebal]

Kessler/Bute would be so brutal that it would be difficult to watch.:lol:

:lol: Why don't we have a little bet, you and I, Amsterdam, a bet between friends: if Bute gets KOed ot TKOed by Kessler...they are bound to fight sometimes...I'll let you set the terms...;)

[robert ungurean]

I dont think Bute's ready for either yet.

[Amsterdam]

I'll tell you what Decebal, Bute vs. Kessler is one of the only times that I'd be comfortable in betting everything I own at shitty odds for Kessler, it's a 100% garauntee that Kessler chops Bute down and wins due to styles, intangibles and what not.

It's about as certain as it gets, as certain as Peter over Maskaev.

[Amsterdam]

:lol: Why don't we have a little bet, you and I, Amsterdam, a bet between friends: if Bute gets KOed ot TKOed by Kessler...they are bound to fight sometimes...I'll let you set the terms...;)

I'm not going to rob you of your money mate....:lol:

Let it also be known that I'm getting back on track, as I went undefeated in picks this weekend.

Kessler KO 8.

[Decebal]

I'll explain:

- Joe's easily 1.5 times as quick in handspeed and is way more active.

- Joe is more accurate.

- Joe's combinations and tighter and his jab is stronger.

- Joe's agility and footspeed are nearly twice as fast, which will be his biggest weapon against Kessler.

- Joe's defence due to the agility and footspeed is top notch, where as Bute has a leaky defence.

- Joe's experience is as good as it gets, by this time, he knows every trick in the book and how to pull out wins if worse comes to worse.

Understand my friend?

I do. Difference is that Bute is not just a slowed down, less accurate, leakier version of Calzaghe...it's not as simple as that...for starters, Bute is stronger mentally than Calzaghe (he maintains his concentration and is not thrown of his gameplan as easily as JC), he is hungrier for a win than JC (he is at the beginning of his career and feels he has much to prove), he gets better as the fight goes on (JC fights an even fight), Bute is a percentage fighter (Joe goes for the win after he loses patience and takes unneccessary risks) so he doesn't put himself in a situation where he would be ripped to bits within the first couple of rounds...sure he might lose them, but he won't get KO'd, because Bute fights with his head! From a moral point of view, I think Bute is also superior to Calzaghe. This is important. He is also more powerful than JC is. Also, I don't think Calzaghe would rabbit punch Bute with the latter not hitting one of his vicious body shots...he can affor to as he has a good chin...

In conclusion, Bute has a good chance against JC...he might not beat him, but he has a strong chance...against Kessler as well for that matter. :p

[Decebal]

I'll tell you what Decebal, Bute vs. Kessler is one of the only times that I'd be comfortable in betting everything I own at shitty odds for Kessler, it's a 100% garauntee that Kessler chops Bute down and wins due to styles, intangibles and what not.

It's about as certain as it gets, as certain as Peter over Maskaev.

you are the analyst...I'll have to take your word for it, Amsterdam!:good

[Decebal]

I'm not going to rob you of your money mate....:lol:

Let it also be known that I'm getting back on track, as I went undefeated in picks this weekend.

Kessler KO 8.

I am glad you are back on track! I'm going to listen to you more now!:p

Kessler KO 8 you say...:-(

...no KO at all I say...:yep

I wouldn't make a money bet with friends anyway...we'll have to think of something more appropriate...maybe an interesting book or so...You send me you favourite boxing book with a friendly dedication if you lose and I'll send you my favourite book on the subject of your choice, with a friendly dedication...if I lose...or can you think of something more appropriate?:think

[Amsterdam]

When Calzaghe is on, he's very strong mentally, the Bika fight is not an example of this but there are plenty of others. Calzaghe has heart, anyone who tells you otherwise is foolish, do you really see him quitting ever?

I don't. He's won some painful matches where he was underprepared and broke his hands and had to grind out a win, if that isn't mental toughness, what is?:lol:

That being said as well, I scored Calzaghe-Bika an easy 118-110 for Joe, where as I scored Bika-Bute 116-111 for Bute and could have even gone as far as 115-112 if I wanted to stretch it.

Bute is not more mentally tough than Calzaghe, he's not proven that at all yet. I think bute is mentally tough, but he has plenty to show at only 20 fights.

Secondly, Bute does not hit harder than Calzaghe, the power is nearly the same, with one guy much quicker and we know who that is.

Bute has little chance against Joe, would need Joe to bust both hands just to really have a good chance, and even then Calzaghe can exploit his defencive holes and use experience to grind out a win... and Bute has ZERO chance vs. Kessler.

Stay away from Kessler Lucian, it will end your career.:deal

[Amsterdam]

I am glad you are back on track! I'm going to listen to you more now!:p

Kessler KO 8 you say...:-(

...no KO at all I say...:yep

I wouldn't make a money bet with friends anyway...we'll have to think of something more appropriate...maybe an interesting book or so...You send me you favourite boxing book with a friendly dedication if you lose and I'll send you my favourite book on the subject of your choice, with a friendly dedication...if I lose...or can you think of something more appropriate?:think

Or a set of fights on DVD or something, things that everyone, no matter how knowledgable a fan needs to have and study to learn little the little intracracies of the fight game.

I shutter at the thought of a nice guy like Lucian recieving such a massive beating though... and I am not being a cunt, I have nothing against Bute, this is just what will happen.:|

[Decebal]

Stay away from Kessler Lucian, it will end your career.:deal

I will take your advice this time...!:good

(what a career, too!:lol: )

still...I would hope that Bute gets into the ring with Kessler and does his best. If he does that, I would be proud!:yep Somehow I have the feeling that he will!:happy

[DoumB]

I'll tell you what Decebal, Bute vs. Kessler is one of the only times that I'd be comfortable in betting everything I own at shitty odds for Kessler, it's a 100% garauntee that Kessler chops Bute down and wins due to styles, intangibles and what not.

It's about as certain as it gets, as certain as Peter over Maskaev.

I strongly disagree on that amstrerdam, altough I feel kessler is too much right now for Bute, he would not tko or KO him, bute fight too inteligent for that, hes strong and proly hitting harder then JC, right now I think he would not win against either but after JC vs MK, ill have to make a choice but Bute is very underrated, hes a local guy here and have all the potential to become the next big thing

[Amsterdam]

I strongly disagree on that amstrerdam, altough I feel kessler is too much right now for Bute, he would not tko or KO him, bute fight too inteligent for that, hes strong and proly hitting harder then JC, right now I think he would not win against either but after JC vs MK, ill have to make a choice but Bute is very underrated, hes a local guy here and have all the potential to become the next big thing

The problem is DoumB is that Kessler will establish that jab right in Bute's face from the very first minute of the fight and will follow up with a right hand that will land equally as easy because Bute's defence is open for jabs and rights.

When you have a leaky defence, are overly hesistant when hit at times and are open for another top class fighter's best weapon, possibly the best 1-2 in all of boxing, how are you going to last?

Especially when the guy is a punishing hitter that breaks you down.

Brutal destruction, BRUTAL.

[Decebal]

Or a set of fights on DVD or something, things that everyone, no matter how knowledgable a fan needs to have and study to learn little the little intracracies of the fight game.

DVDs sounds good!

I shutter at the thought of a nice guy like Lucian recieving such a massive beating though... and I am not being a cunt, I have nothing against Bute, this is just what will happen.:|

This is what I like about Bute - his moral courage! He will put himself through that pain because he wants to be the best he can be! The glory that comes with doing well in a fight like that will make the pain bearable!;)

[Amsterdam]

I will take your advice this time...!:good

(what a career, too!:lol: )

still...I would hope that Bute gets into the ring with Kessler and does his best. If he does that, I would be proud!:yep Somehow I have the feeling that he will!:happy

You wouldn't want him to lose everything round, be damaged and bloody and have to throw in the towel would you?

You feel he'd win because he's your favourite and you're being optimistic, I am realistic as to whom Kessler beats and Bute is tailor made for him to tee off on, Kessler has EXCELLENT timing and masterful combinations....

Bute lacks Calzaghe's agility, defence and awkwardness to give Kessler hell, he's a "poor mans" Calzaghe, but more orthodox, which makes it even easier for Kessler to deal with.

[Decebal]

Brutal destruction, BRUTAL.

The reason why I hesitate to wholeheartedly agree with "Brutal" is that he didn't brutally destroy Andrade, even though...man...Andrade was punished...Why cannot Bute stand what Andrade stood, and also hit back...he wouldn't just stand there like Andrade did...he will go into the ring with a different mentality! He'll go in to win, not to survive!

[Decebal]

You wouldn't want him to lose every round, be damaged and bloody and have to throw in the towel would you?

Bute will not throw in the towel...NEVER...! He might not be good enough to win, but he's no loser! He'll take whatever punishment comes his way like a man...but he won't be a passive victim...he'll hit back! He sure as hell will!:bbb

[Amsterdam]

The reason why I hesitate to wholeheartedly agree with "Brutal" is that he didn't brutally destroy Andrade, even though...man...Andrade was punished...Why cannot Bute stand what Andrade stood, and also hit back...he wouldn't just stand there like Andrade did...he will go into the ring with a different mentality! He'll go in to win, not to survive!

If he goes into win, he gets stopped even easier, gives Kessler more openings.

The reason Andrade didn't get stopped is because Andrade has one of the best chins that I have personally ever seen, it was absolute insanity what he was able to take and keep going....

Yet some of these guys on this site claim that Taylor has a good chin!:lol:

Taylor would have been put out by round 3 against Kessler, yet Andrade and other guys with inhuman punch resistance can take that type of punishment and be okay.

Andrade gets my "chin of the year" so far, absolutely INSANE. I could not believe what I was watching...

[Decebal]

If he goes into win, he gets stopped even easier, gives Kessler more openings.

The reason Andrade didn't get stopped is because Andrade has one of the best chins that I have personally ever seen, it was absolute insanity what he was able to take and keep going....

Yet some of these guys on this site claim that Taylor has a good chin!:lol:

Taylor would have been put out by round 3 against Kessler, yet Andrade and other guys with inhuman punch resistance can take that type of punishment and be okay.

Andrade gets my "chin of the year" so far, absolutely INSANE. I could not believe what I was watching...

sure, you are right!

Let us not forget though that Bute is still learning. He will not be put into the ring with ANYONE whom he doesn't have a good chance of beating...when he steps into the ring with Calzaghe and Kessler, this will also apply...it won't be the same Bute that we saw against Bika...it will be a much better Bute...just think where he was 18 months ago...(before Thysse, Mock and Toney); think where he will be 18 months from now, after Berrio, first defence (Mundine?) and Calzaghe!:lol:

[Decebal]

Bute needs at least 2 more quality fights before he can go fucking about with either Kessler or JC.

:good three would be better!

[Amsterdam]

I'd pick Mundine over the Bute that fought Bika, let that be known, if Bute improves then I'd pick Bute.

Mundine's laser right would seemingly cut Bute up also at the moment.

[Decebal]

I'd pick Mundine over the Bute that fought Bika, let that be known, if Bute improves then I'd pick Bute.

Mundine's laser right would seemingly cut Bute up also at the moment.

Let's hope will see these two fight soon! Maybe in April/May 2008?

...My point is that with Bute on the scene, SMW will see great fights...there won't be much ducking anymore!

[pioterbezkitu]

I'll tell you what Decebal, Bute vs. Kessler is one of the only times that I'd be comfortable in betting everything I own at shitty odds for Kessler, it's a 100% garauntee that Kessler chops Bute down and wins due to styles, intangibles and what not.

It's about as certain as it gets, as certain as Peter over Maskaev.

You were pretty confident about the outcome of Miranda-Pavlik ;)

[Astola]

I'm not as confident as you (Amsterdam) regarding Bute's chances agaisnt either. Although he has weaknesses in his defence I beleive he is the same kind of fighter as to JC/MK. INTELLIGENT. Naturally gifted in making the right decisions at the right times.

Fighters like Lacy, Mundine, Judah etc simply dont have this ability.

Bute is still green though, hence fighting hesitant at times. I think both Larouche and Bute knows that if he is fighting hesitant in just one round against Kessler he will most likely be KO'ed or at least badly hurt.

Being hesitant against Joe is just suicide - JC will play with him if Bute fights like that. Cat vs mouse.

In a year or two - a more seasoned and defensively better Bute will make it a hard time for Kessler. Bute still looses though.

Bute vs JC will never happen. Bute aint on the "3 fights" list.


Regarding Kessler vs. Joe....

That matcup is just so fucking perfect. Very different styles etc etc etc.

Kessler by tko 11 is btw now my official prediction. :yep

[Amsterdam]

You were pretty confident about the outcome of Miranda-Pavlik ;)

Yes, and Miranda coming in totally weight drained didn't help that either.:lol:

You were extremely confident in Adamek vs. Dawson, where as I paraded around in saying that it was "dead certainty" that Dawson "totally outclasses" Adamek, similiar to how I'm dead certain that Bute gets wiped out by Kessler.

Everyone gets a wrong pick here and there, but if you'd like to directly compare then we can start now in comparing picks for up and coming fights for fun.

[Amsterdam]

Also, recall what Teddy Atlas said of Bute= H keeps that right hand down too much= Joe Calzaghes left hook ( Or Lacys too )

Kessler's right hand and Calzaghe left hook would both land, Kessler's is just more damaging overall and nobody will challenge that fact.

[Amsterdam]

I'm not as confident as you (Amsterdam) regarding Bute's chances agaisnt either. Although he has weaknesses in his defence I beleive he is the same kind of fighter as to JC/MK. INTELLIGENT. Naturally gifted in making the right decisions at the right times.

Fighters like Lacy, Mundine, Judah etc simply dont have this ability.

Bute is still green though, hence fighting hesitant at times. I think both Larouche and Bute knows that if he is fighting hesitant in just one round against Kessler he will most likely be KO'ed or at least badly hurt.

Being hesitant against Joe is just suicide - JC will play with him if Bute fights like that. Cat vs mouse.

In a year or two - a more seasoned and defensively better Bute will make it a hard time for Kessler. Bute still looses though.

Bute vs JC will never happen. Bute aint on the "3 fights" list.


Regarding Kessler vs. Joe....

That matcup is just so fucking perfect. Very different styles etc etc etc.

Kessler by tko 11 is btw now my official prediction. :yep

Astola - If you get hesitant vs. Calzaghe, you get trashed, if you get hesitant against Kessler, he controls and picks his spots with beautifully timed punches and combinations.

Either way, Bute is open for that jab and right hand all night long, Kessler KO 8.

Pure brutality.

[Astola]

Astola - If you get hesitant vs. Calzaghe, you get trashed, if you get hesitant against Kessler, he controls and picks his spots with beautifully timed punches and combinations.

Either way, Bute is open for that jab and right hand all night long, Kessler KO 8.

Pure brutality.

As for now I agree. But when they fight it will be a close one. Bute has some of the qualities comparable to Joe. Combinations, body punches, fast feet, excellent balance, agillity etc.

Bute needs too pass the Jab and the lead right all night. Thats why he will loose now and in two years time.

[Amsterdam]

But his agility and speed is not comparable to Joe in reality, he's much slower and isn't as awkward/frantic.

I really like Kessler, I think he's a future P4P force, Bute's tailor made for him at any point and time. I garauntee this just like I garaunteed that Andrade wouldn't win a single round.:lol:

[Decebal]

But his agility and speed is not comparable to Joe in reality, he's much slower and isn't as awkward/frantic.

I really like Kessler, I think he's a future P4P force, Bute's tailor made for him at any point and time. I garauntee this just like I garaunteed that Andrade wouldn't win a single round.:lol:

so the bet is Kessler KO8 Bute. Kessler TKO11 Bute - do YOU still win?:think

[pioterbezkitu]

Yes, and Miranda coming in totally weight drained didn't help that either.:lol:

You were extremely confident in Adamek vs. Dawson, where as I paraded around in saying that it was "dead certainty" that Dawson "totally outclasses" Adamek, similiar to how I'm dead certain that Bute gets wiped out by Kessler.

Everyone gets a wrong pick here and there, but if you'd like to directly compare then we can start now in comparing picks for up and coming fights for fun.


WTF?? I was confident about Adamek vs Dawson? No way! That's bullshit, buddy :-(

[Amsterdam]

so the bet is Kessler KO8 Bute. Kessler TKO11 Bute - do YOU still win?:think

If it's a stoppage, I win. Of course, I have a running bet with Astola, as soon as the fight between Cal/Kess is cemented.

[Decebal]

If it's a stoppage, I win. Of course, I have a running bet with Astola, as soon as the fight between Cal/Kess is cemented.

Amsterdam, mate, you are on!:deal

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam, mate, you are on!:deal

If you wanted to do a Mundine vs. Bute bet, I'd also take Mundine.:lol:

[Executioner]

I'd say Kessler due to his stand-up european style.

[Astola]

But his agility and speed is not comparable to Joe in reality, he's much slower and isn't as awkward/frantic.

I really like Kessler, I think he's a future P4P force, Bute's tailor made for him at any point and time. I garauntee this just like I garaunteed that Andrade wouldn't win a single round.:lol:

Yeah and that was a very good prediction.:good I thought Andrade would hurt Kessler at some point because of his unnatural chin and infight ability.

But no - Kessler just played along in the 11th and 12th. Impressive.

I have a thing for Bute - I think he could be the future king of smw. And I dont agree that his agility and footwork isnt comparable to Joe's.

But for sure - its Joe's awkwardness, speed and unpredictability thats going to be his biggest assets vs. Kessler.

[Decebal]

If you wanted to do a Mundine vs. Bute bet, I'd also take Mundine.:lol:

Amsterdam, mate, you are on!:deal If Mundine beats Bute, I lose. If he does not, I win!

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam, mate, you are on!:deal If Mundine beats Bute, I lose. If he does not, I win!

Deal. You have a chance to win something here, I take Mundine at about 60%, but the Kessler fight you have no shot, so maybe we'll split it here.

[Decebal]

Deal. You have a chance to win something here, I take Mundine at about 60%, but the Kessler fight you have no shot, so maybe we'll split it here.

:lol: Generous as ever! Thanks, buddy!;)

[Arthur]

to answer the question, Bute has no chance against either of them. He might beat that faggot Mundine though.

[Decebal]

to answer the question, Bute has no chance against either of them. He might beat that faggot Mundine though.

thanks for bringing us back to the question and answering it! I agree with you where Mundine is concerned! Let's hope that happens in less than a year's time!

[deram]

I think both would be hard fights and the winner would not be a given. I think chances currently would be about 20-30% against both.

[Decebal]

I think both would be hard fights and the winner would not be a given. I think chances currently would be about 20-30% against both.

how do you see Lucian faring against Mundine, deram?

[Amsterdam]

I think both would be hard fights and the winner would not be a given. I think chances currently would be about 20-30% against both.

Against Calzaghe? 20% sure.

Against Kessler? 0%.

[Decebal]

Against Kessler? 0%.

...then Bute is no better a boxer than I am...I don't think I could score less than 0% myself!:lol:

[Amsterdam]

...then Bute is no better a boxer than I am...I don't think I could score less than 0% myself!:lol:

You'd score -100% mate!:lol:

I'll be fair, you already know how I role with things, Bute has the chance that any fighter getting in the ring has, the chance that Kessler doesn't show up or gets injured....

So, 5%.

I said that Andrade had a 0% chance also, he didn't win a round and got thrashed.... similiar to how Bute would get thrashed but would get stopped.

[Decebal]

I'll be fair; Bute has the chance that Kessler doesn't show up or gets injured....

So, 5%

:rofl Bute would start howling like a wolf on 'shrooms if he heard you say that!

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[Amsterdam]

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:rofl Bute would start howling like a wolf on 'shrooms if he heard you say that!

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:lol:

I'd have told told Andrade face to face that I am being humane in the sense that I am trying to prevent him from taking a massive beating that may damage him forever, luckily he was an iron man.:lol:

Bute/Andrade is actually a good fight, I'd go Bute 116-112.

[Decebal]

Bute/Andrade is actually a good fight, I'd go Bute 116-112.

Yeah! But both of us would probably rather see him take on Lacy, ...particularly because he is said to find holes in Bute's defence so easily!...right? Would that not be a good first defence?

Or would you have someone else in mind for a first defence? Let us assume it would be Mundine after the first defence...

[Amsterdam]

Yeah! But both of us would probably rather see him take on Lacy, ...particularly because he is said to find holes in Bute's defence so easily!...right? Would that not be a good first defence?

Or would you have someone else in mind for a first defence? Let us assume it would be Mundine after the first defence...

Sure, first defence, let's say Mario Veit, then Mundine.

Berrio and Veit would give him some experience and he'd KO both, which builds a train for him to ride on, which helps in match making.

[Decebal]

Sure, first defence, let's say Mario Veit, then Mundine.

Berrio and Veit would give him some experience and he'd KO both, which builds a train for him to ride on, which helps in match making.

you'd prefer Veit to Lacy as a first defence? Is that because Lacy is too dangerous?

[Amsterdam]

you'd prefer Veit to Lacy as a first defence? Is that because Lacy is too dangerous?

It's because it would be best to give Lucian a nice "highlight" fight for his first defence. Inkin KOed Veit in the 7th, if Bute got Veit in say the 3rd, then that builds more for him since Veit is a name in Europe and has a record of 45-3.

Lacy is virtually considered to be done because of injuries and that bad thrashing vs. Calzaghe, Lacy has to prove otherwise that he is not finished with a few tune ups, he's not going to jump in with Bute all rusty.

Bute needs to build steadily, jumping in with Lacy that early will work against him either way because Lacy would be rusty, coming off injury/lay off and has not proven recovery, and if Lacy KOed Bute, then that puts Bute back.

I'd go with Veit, then I'd take Inkin if I couldn't get Mundine.

So Berrio, Veit, Inkin/Mundine would be what I would attempt for Bute's next 3 if I were the manager and believe me, that's great comp.

[Decebal]

Berrio, Veit, Inkin/Mundine would be what I would attempt for Bute's next 3 if I were the manager and believe me, that's great comp.

Thanks Amsterdam; wise as usual!:good

[deram]

Thanks Amsterdam; wise as usual!:good

It would be good. Berrio, Lacy, Inkin/Mundine would of course be even better.

[MSTR]

I'd say Calzaghe, just by styles. Kessler's style will have Bute chopped in half by round 5 guys, then would dispose of him in another 3.

Calzaghe would beat him throughly to a decision most likely, giving Bute more options than Kessler's jab and right hand in his face all night.

This being said, Calzaghe beats Kessler and I could never see Bute beating Calzaghe either, the question is however "which would Bute have a higher chance of beating" and he has ZERO chance of beating Kessler on styles and intangibles, that would be a massacre.

Joe could both of his hands even, which gives Bute more of a shot.
Good post. Bute is being over rated. He wouldn't truely challenge either of these guys. Mundine would beat Bute also. Too much speed.

[Decebal]

This division is so nice to watch :D we maybe not all agree on who is the better or who is the second, but we can agree that this is one of the better(if not THE better) category in boxe right now

...and that Bute appearing on the scene AND that he is willing to take a chance against the best soon opens up exciting possibilities: Lacy, Mundine, Inkin, Froch...they will all have someone to gun for now...and Bute...he will have the incentive to prove that he is as good as the best 2...:D

[Amsterdam]

Good post. Bute is being over rated. He wouldn't truely challenge either of these guys. Mundine would beat Bute also. Too much speed.

I take Mundine also, but Mundine's always vulnerable with that dodgy chin.

If Bute improved his defence, Mundine would be in trouble.

[MSTR]

I take Mundine also, but Mundine's always vulnerable with that dodgy chin.

If Bute improved his defence, Mundine would be in trouble.
The chin is a bit of a worry, but the fact that he has looked solid in recent outings is some form of relief. The biggest factor IMO is how Mundine would adapt to fighting a top southpaw, which I think he could do very well considering he likes to box, and has a great lead right hand.

[MSTR]

SMW is the second best div in boxing right now, just behind welterweight. A host of great fights to be made, provided certain wanka promoters can put their egos aside and let the guys sort it out in the ring.

[Amsterdam]

SMW is the second best div in boxing right now, just behind welterweight. A host of great fights to be made, provided certain wanka promoters can put their egos aside and let the guys sort it out in the ring.

I agree, way better than MW and LMW and better than LHW also. CW is a pretty good division also and you can never count out SFW.

The MW is a very shallow division, Mundine would clean that one out if he could make weight healthy.

But I'd take Mundine UD Bute, 117-111.

[boxfan99]

:lol: Generous as ever! Thanks, buddy!;)

Who do you think would win a Kessler-Bute fight, Decebal? I can see you are pretty sure there will be no stoppage, but I haven't seen you state who you think would be the winner.

[Decebal]

Who do you think would win a Kessler-Bute fight, Decebal? I can see you are pretty sure there will be no stoppage, but I haven't seen you state who you think would be the winner.

I'll go with what Bute would say: Kessler!

...Not sure what Bute would say in 18 months or so when the fight is likely to happen...but I think it would be close...:good How about you?

[Decebal]

:bbb

[boxfan99]

I'll go with what Bute would say: Kessler!

...Not sure what Bute would say in 18 months or so when the fight is likely to happen...but I think it would be close...:good How about you?

Right now Kessler, I was actually very dissapointed in Butes performance against Bika, with such a performance he would not only lose against Calzaghe and Kessler but also Mundine. I've seen him better, but the opposition was of course easier in those fights, so I can't really say for sure whether he had a "bad" day against Bika.

In 18 months I really have a hard time picking a winner (the winner will be the guy to rule SMW), but if I have too, I'll pick Bute. Kessler has not really developed significantly the last couple of years, and I don't think he will become much better than he is now. Bute is on the other hand clearly still developing his skills and can fight at a distance and in close. He is also taller than Kessler, which will make it harder for Kessler to use his main weapon, the jab. Bute has to improve his defense though.

Btw. you are using what Bute says as your argument, and I have to say just because Bute says something it does not necessarily have to be that way. Would you believe him if he for instance said that in a year he could beat Klitschko?

[teke]

Bute would be easily beaten by both and Mundine.

[deram]

I'll go with what Bute would say: Kessler!

...Not sure what Bute would say in 18 months or so when the fight is likely to happen...but I think it would be close...:good How about you?

Yeah, could be close. Not right now. Now Kessler would not drop too many rounds to anyone but Calzaghe imo. But as Bute gets more experienced and can carry his highest level for longer it could be close.

[Jambon]

Well since Kessler and JC are to much pussys to face each other now where talking about a fight with Bute. Mundine give me a break, he would not get passed Bika.

[MSTR]

Well since Kessler and JC are to much pussys to face each other now where talking about a fight with Bute. Mundine give me a break, he would not get passed Bika.
He KTFO Soliman who beat Bika hands down. And he shutout danny green who is a better fighter then Bika. So what is your logic there?

[fightking12]

I dont think Bute is even ready for both of them yet maybe someday:tired

[Jambon]

Danny Green is no better then Bika. Soliman is thats true. Still putting Mundine as a sure win and definig him as a fighter a class above Bute is pure unfounded BS that calls for some more.

[Carlos Primera]

i think both would ko/decision bute

[MSTR]

Danny Green is no better then Bika. Soliman is thats true. Still putting Mundine as a sure win and definig him as a fighter a class above Bute is pure unfounded BS that calls for some more.
I never said class above. I just think that Mundine could beat him based on recent form. Just my opinion.

[Decebal]

you are using what Bute says as your argument, and I have to say just because Bute says something it does not necessarily have to be that way. Would you believe him if he for instance said that in a year he could beat Klitschko?

Sure, you are right, but remember, Bute suggested he could NOT beat Kessler yet and it's not just because HE says so that I believe him; I just think he is just being honest...and Lucian is, as we all know, not one to brag...HE doesn't talk himself up...but neither is he a shrinking violet...he doesn't put himself down either...I think he just calls it as he sees it and I agree with his honest assessment. But I don't think Bute thinks the gap between him and JC and Kessler is THAT big, even now.

I have no doubt in my mind that Bute hopes one day to walk into the ring against the man he feels is the strongest in the division at the moment - and certainly will be the strongest in year or so: Kessler, with a good chance of beating him. He will be ready in 3-4 fights after Berrio if he keeps winning and learning.

:good

[Decebal]

I never said class above. I just think that Mundine could beat him based on recent form. Just my opinion.

Perhaps you are right. But I think that when this fight happens, and I am sure it will happen - it just has to, Bute will come up on top. The difference in moral capacity will make the biggest difference here I think. :good

[PrideOfWales]

This bet is likely to never be resolved

I think I'm starting to become a Bute hater.