Give me the Aussie angle on the Pac vs Cotto fight this weekend?

[RafaelGonzal]

I dont see many threads on the fight this weekend in the Aussie forum, its all I hear about here in NY! Im curious to know how you blokes see the big fight playing out this weekend?

[ashley]

I dont see many threads on the fight this weekend in the Aussie forum, its all I hear about here in NY! Im curious to know how you blokes see the big fight playing out this weekend?


Its a hard one to pick that's for sure.

I'm a fan of both fighters but like Pac man a bit more.

On the day I wonder how the stoppage loss to Marg will play on Cottos mind......and in the light of Pac's power of late I think Cotto might have a defensive game plan coming into this fight.

The reason why its a hard one to pick is Cotto may think he's got more power and will be the bigger man....stats may agree so he may come out more aggressive.

I think Cotto has more chance boxing than fighting

In the end I just love Pac as a power counter puncher with huge power in both hands.....Hatton didn't know what hand to look for as he got stung with a few power right's from Pac before the KO from the left hook.

Flip a coin mate :yep

All I know is I will be watching this fight and will enjoy the day and no matter who wins I will be happy.

That said.......go Pac Man :good

[pecks]

As long as both sides have Pacman on it, I'd flip a coin too.

[BoppaZoo]

I really feel that of late Cotto gets stung and hit too much especially to the head, and we know he gets hurt. If Cotto lets Pacquiao get comfy it will be too late.

Cotto too win needs to be aggresive from the bell and not stop. But if he goes through a the first few rounds and lets Pacman get confident it will be too late.

Plus for me Pacman speed is a huge factor. Alot of people have been talking about Pac's new found power but i think that Cotto as far as i can remember as only faced Zab Judah with the likes of the same speed.

And we know for sure Judah isnt exactly Pacquiao is he. If Judah rocked Cotto twice imagine what Pac will do being quicker and fighting with better angles with a 1000% better mental fortitude than Zab.

I like Cotto too but we saw flaws especially of late in Cotto that worry me. I feel his killer insticnt is gone but i dont question his heart.

Were as i have not seen Pacman lose a round since fighting JMM which was March 2008.

So i ask myself and you guys the same questions.

Whats Cotto's mental state like
Whats Cotto's defense been like
Has Cotto's chin got any better
Is Cotto the same fighter that we saw against Shane Mosley


Pacquiaos got flaws aswell.

Will Pac be able to handle Cotto's body shots
Will Pacquiao's gameplan be like it was for a bigger Dela Hoya
Is Pacman going to have a off night
Has Pac got the power to worry Cotto

All these different questions keep popping into my mind, but all i can see is Pacman's speed being a nightmare. It was the case for everyone except JMM. But even then Marquez went down for times in 2 fights.

[roscoe]

Looking forward to this fight. Both prime figthers who don't duck anyone. I'm thinking Cotto will box early & work the body over. I expect Pac to come out no different than he always does, punches in volume from all angles. Cotto has to box early to take some sting out of Pac's punches & slow him down similar to what Morales did in their 1st fight. I remember Mosley stating afterwards that Cotto sneakly boxed him at times when he thought he stand & trade. This is the key I believe. If Cotto can stick to a similar gameplan than I can see him winning a close decision over the Pacman & thats the way I'm going. Styles make fights & this should be a *******.

[BoppaZoo]

As long as both sides have Pacman on it, I'd flip a coin too.Nice, hey Pecks i really feel Cotto showed some signs of he wasnt himself.

I mean slow predictable Clottey was a close fight, I mean Cotto won but for me my scores cards were 115-112. Hardly a ass whooping.

I went for Pacquiao and by stoppage. The angles, the speed and his overall mental strength.

Were cotto i feel has heart and great body work but he has to catch up with Pacquiao to get to his body.

[pecks]

Styles make fights & this should be a *******.
No need to be a bad sport about it mate. :-(

[pecks]

Nice, hey Pecks i really feel Cotto showed some signs of he wasnt himself.

I mean slow predictable Clottey was a close fight, I mean Cotto won but for me my scores cards were 115-112. Hardly a ass whooping.

I went for Pacquiao and by stoppage. The angles, the speed and his overall mental strength.

Were cotto i feel has heart and great body work but he has to catch up with Pacquiao to get to his body.It should be a good exciting fight. Cotto's heart will make it exciting to watch.

I still rate Cotto somewhat, but feel that he's up against it with Pac.

18 months ago I would have gone with Cotto on this one.

[BoppaZoo]

It should be a good exciting fight. Cotto's heart will make it exciting to watch.

I still rate Cotto somewhat, but feel that he's up against it with Pac.

18 months ago I would have gone with Cotto on this one.Yeah good call. He was smart and calculated against Mosley. Probably for me his best perfomance but after he lost i feel he hasnt been the same. That was evident against Clottey who i dont rate very well.

Some like Cottey but he is way to slow uses his head more than his feet or fists.

[PorkChopExpress]

I'm not picking until I see the weigh in. How they both size up before the fight and what it's like when they stand next to each other.

Pac is a better fighter all round - but is he big and strong enough to beat Cotto? Was Hatton too small for him? Was Oscar too over the hill? Or was Pac just THAT bas ass?

I'm probably going to go with Pac though. Cotto tried walking through Marg's slow punches for too many rounds and got hurt doing it - will he be able to dodge Pac's speed?? I don't think so... but will wait to decide.

[BoppaZoo]

I'm not picking until I see the weigh in. How they both size up before the fight and what it's like when they stand next to each other.

Pac is a better fighter all round - but is he big and strong enough to beat Cotto? Was Hatton too small for him? Was Oscar too over the hill? Or was Pac just THAT bas ass?

I'm probably going to go with Pac though. Cotto tried walking through Marg's slow punches for too many rounds and got hurt doing it - will he be able to dodge Pac's speed?? I don't think so... but will wait to decide.Like on the TAC ads PCE, Speed Kills. :lol:

[perfect jet]

- pac too fast

- cotto's best may be behind him. looked slower against clottey

- cotto has a lot of scar tissue. if he gets cut and back moves and circles like he normally does when hurt or cut...pac will murder him.

- cotto is the biggest puncher pac has faced. although not 147, he'l be close enough to a true welter. pac hasn't faced one before. delahoya was a skeleton.

- for that reason, cotto is a chance.

- pac is the safest bet imo.

- PAC TKO 9. Cuts.

[stiflers mum]

Pac wins.too fast.

[roscoe]

The only word I used Pecks was *******. Not sure why it got edited out?

[roscoe]

There it goes again. Whats another term for a biscuit, thats the missing word.

[pecks]

The only word I used Pecks was *******. Not sure why it got edited out?Say that again and I'll pm the mods and have your arse thrown outta here...

[Sox]

There it goes again. Whats another term for a biscuit, thats the missing word.
And rhymes with wacker......... :lol:

[Sox]

Say that again and I'll pm the mods and have your arse thrown outta here...
:huh

[pecks]

:)

[ranser]

I'm not picking until I see the weigh in. How they both size up before the fight and what it's like when they stand next to each other.

Pac is a better fighter all round - but is he big and strong enough to beat Cotto? Was Hatton too small for him? Was Oscar too over the hill? Or was Pac just THAT bas ass?

I'm probably going to go with Pac though. Cotto tried walking through Marg's slow punches for too many rounds and got hurt doing it - will he be able to dodge Pac's speed?? I don't think so... but will wait to decide.

I agree with that.I won't make a prediction until I know how much they weigh come fight night.Not weigh-in's but what they weigh once in the ring.
I think cotto might end up being too big for pac though and could man handle him like floyd did to marquez.
Unless they are similar weights, it could be a different story.

[PIPO23]

I dunno. A year or two ago this fght was viewed as a joke.Pac shouldn't even be fightin at WW.Cotto might be too strong like they said this time its for real.

[ipswich express]

I know I'm sick of superManny-weight. I don't think it'll have too much of an effect on Cotto. If I were betting 10g, it'd be on Pac. Hard to argue against current form. That being said, if Miguel can touch him to the body, it could be a long and painful night for Manny.

[Kegsy]

Cotto is well bigger than Pacquiao in all the recent pics i see & on fight night i feel this being a huge deciding factor.
Cotto also has on many occasions nullified speed (mosley matchup especially) & i believe he will do this well on sunday leading to a mid to late rounds stoppage.
Im a huge fan of pacquiao but i feel he is now fighting a guy close enough to his prime who has too many physical advantages.

[LeonMcS]

Are you getting your fat arse to the Greenwood Kagsy?

[aaron]

Pac UD. Id like for Cotto to win to shut these pactards up, but it wont happen.

As for some above comments regarding Cotto not being the same... He fought one eyed against Clottey for nearly the entire fight, can you really blame him for not looking great?

This fight should show us whether Marg made him damaged goods or not.

[roscoe]

Pecks anyone that supports the bunnies shouldn't be so sensitive. Do as you please my friend, care factor is 0!

[TheDuke]

Pac UD. Id like for Cotto to win to shut these pactards up, but it wont happen.

As for some above comments regarding Cotto not being the same... He fought one eyed against Clottey for nearly the entire fight, can you really blame him for not looking great?

This fight should show us whether Marg made him damaged goods or not.

What is it you dislike about Pac?

[TheDuke]

Pecks anyone that supports the bunnies shouldn't be so sensitive. Do as you please my friend, care factor is 0!

Hisjusjoshing

[TheDuke]

Both likable boxers, I'll be sorry to see one of these guys lose but in the end I want Pacquiao to consolidate his standing as P4P no. 1 but I'm not so confident....

As Pipo said, a year and a half back this would have been a ludicrous matchup. Now people are lining up to favour Pac.

[teke]

Pac to destroy Cotto.

[Sox]

Pac to destroy Cotto.
Thanks mate, I can put my money down now. :good

[baha74]

Cotto will demolish Pacman (because I like him more).

[Kegsy]

Are you getting your fat arse to the Greenwood Kagsy?
Nope...im watching the fight with some mates.

[Bognashavin]

I like both fighters but will be on Cotto's side this w/end. If Cotto can deal with Mosley's speed he has a good chance coping with Pacman's, and Cotto should have enough size and power to not be blown away the way Pac has done to others recently. Pac will probabaly make my comment look foolish yet again, but if Cotto wins the bets pay better too. . . .

[LeonMcS]

Nope...im watching the fight with some mates.

Pfft, yeah right.

[flamengo]

Pfft, yeah right.

Bump

[Marcus]

Nope...im watching the fight with some mates.


yeah, not you ya cunt Leon :lol:

[wangman]

Its not going to surprise me if pac wins, but at $3.60 im putting my money on cotto

[PorkChopExpress]

Cotto is well bigger than Pacquiao in all the recent pics i see & on fight night i feel this being a huge deciding factor.
Cotto also has on many occasions nullified speed (mosley matchup especially) & i believe he will do this well on sunday leading to a mid to late rounds stoppage.
Im a huge fan of pacquiao but i feel he is now fighting a guy close enough to his prime who has too many physical advantages.

I just watched Mosley vs Cotto highlights and yeah, you're right there maybe. It's made me doubt Pac which I haven't done yet, even if for just a second...

It's a pick 'em - Pac aint been tested like this.

[sambo1987]

I'll be cheering on Cotto, will probably throw some coin down on him as well coz it's very good value. Pacman is one helluva fighter though so it's going to be a tough night for both of them. I'll say Cotto by TKO rd 8 for now.. will wait for the weigh in for an official prediction though.

[Thirdgeary]

Cotto will drag Pacman into deep water and drown him.
Cotto KO 11.

[flamengo]

Pac KO 6.

[Marcus]

Cotto hasnt got the strongest chin and Pac may test it as early as round one.

Pacman KO, cant go against him atm. Looks unbeatable.

[ashley]

Cotto will drag Pacman into deep water and drown him.
Cotto KO 11.

Nut hugger :D

[Marcus]

Cotto will drag Pacman into deep water and drown him.
Cotto KO 11.


MSTR ...is that you? :nut

Hugger :smooch

[ranser]

this fight is so hard to pick, normally when I can't pick a fight, it ends up being close.

[konaman]

Big fan of both guys and will be supporting Cotto (underdog) on the grounds that i want him to give a good account of himself.

I think Pacquiao takes it though, possibly by late stoppage (TKO round 10 or 11). Cotto is too liable up the middle and Pacquiao is too precise offensively. Roach and Manny are great at building a camp around a gameplan and i think Manny will time Cotto well, particularly shooting straights from lower than usual and uppercuts up between Cotto's guard.

Should be a good high paced tactical battle early on though, turning into a barnburner around the middle rounds, can't fucking wait. Hope Cotto proves us all wrong.

[teke]

The thing is Cotto didnt deal with Mosleys speed, Shane fought stupid and just went head on trying to bang him out of there which is why he got counter punched easily.

Pacs speed of foot along along with his very quick accurate punches should give Cotto fits.

Cotto is Pacs first real test at this higher weight imo, but I will go with Pac by early stoppage maybe even the first round.

[ashley]

The thing is Cotto didnt deal with Mosleys speed, Shane fought stupid and just went head on trying to bang him out of there which is why he got counter punched easily.

Pacs speed of foot along along with his very quick accurate punches should give Cotto fits.

Cotto is Pacs first real test at this higher weight imo, but I will go with Pac by early stoppage maybe even the first round.

:admin......thats a big call.....but I guess KTFO of Hatton was a big call at the time as well.

[aaron]

What is it you dislike about Pac?

I dont necessarily dislike Pac. I think personally he looks like a lovely bloke, and in the last few years has improved in all aspects beyond belief. He definately isnt the Pac of old and is definately a top p4p today...

I think its more the Pactards I dislike, who worship him like a demi-god.

People are still in awe about him stopping DLH, so what, DLH was weight-drained, weak & dehydrated. Freddie Roach knew exactly how Oscar was going to be coming into the fight, thats why they took the fight. Just watch the pre-fight interviews.

And Hatton, dont get me started on Hatton. A four limbed potato that anyone could have a chance of a big KO on.

I see a stoppage for Pac or a UD. Pacs speed, footwork & agility will prove too much for Cotto, and if he lands a shot flush on Cotto, its game over. Too much emphasis on Cotto's size is playing on peoples minds. He isnt that much bigger, nowhere near faster and I dont think he will be able to deal with a combination of Mannys attributes.

Cotto has absolutely a punchers chance but thats about it. He wont catch MAnny on the ropes and will be chasing him all night trying to land. This should be a comfortable win for Manny and I doubt this will be the war that everyone is claiming

Mayweather will be the one to prove that Manny does not belong with the WW's.

[BoppaZoo]

I dont necessarily dislike Pac. I think personally he looks like a lovely bloke, and in the last few years has improved in all aspects beyond belief. He definately isnt the Pac of old and is definately a top p4p today...

I think its more the Pactards I dislike, who worship him like a demi-god.

People are still in awe about him stopping DLH, so what, DLH was weight-drained, weak & dehydrated. Freddie Roach knew exactly how Oscar was going to be coming into the fight, thats why they took the fight. Just watch the pre-fight interviews.

And Hatton, dont get me started on Hatton. A four limbed potato that anyone could have a chance of a big KO on.

I see a stoppage for Pac or a UD. Pacs speed, footwork & agility will prove too much for Cotto, and if he lands a shot flush on Cotto, its game over. Too much emphasis on Cotto's size is playing on peoples minds. He isnt that much bigger, nowhere near faster and I dont think he will be able to deal with a combination of Mannys attributes.

Cotto has absolutely a punchers chance but thats about it. He wont catch MAnny on the ropes and will be chasing him all night trying to land. This should be a comfortable win for Manny and I doubt this will be the war that everyone is claiming

Mayweather will be the one to prove that Manny does not belong with the WW's.Look Az Mate, I concur on some of the Pac fans. But its the ones that know there boxing you should listen too.

I became a Pac fan because he has never once let me down. By this i mean he always has stepped up to take massive fights against some of the best out there. At a huge weight for him. (IMO i think he could still make 135 easy). He reminds me personally of a small Marvin Hagler.

But i feel its some fans that cant find solice in letting the Pactards not get to them and it makes them hate Pacquiao in a way i feel he does not deserve.

I mean Pacman has been giving the fans the best fights out there to see and gets not much credit for it.

I like my boxers that are good for the sport dont give it a bad name and when you Pay to watch them (especially 50 bucks) you get your money's worth.

Like look at some of my fav fighters all great for the sport and PPV wise are f-ing awesome to watch

Hagler
Tszyu
Tyson
Pacquiao
Tua

[CarltonBlues]

I can't go past Pacquaio who has looked awesome at the higher weight. No one did what he did to Hatton and De La Hoya but we can throw in the shot excuse because it's easy to do and it will be easy to throw in if he KOs Cotto too.

[Bentchassis]

I can't go past Pacquaio who has looked awesome at the higher weight. No one did what he did to Hatton and De La Hoya but we can throw in the shot excuse because it's easy to do and it will be easy to throw in if he KOs Cotto too.
Oscar was more than shot mate.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Would love to see PacMan win.

This fight offers so many variables, from the size difference between the two fighters at fight-time (likley to be 10 lbs plus!) to the styles they go in with. PacMan will have to be extra careful for a handful of rounds, but hope he can then ramp it up and win.

If PacMan wins he's a bloody marvel. If he happens to win by KO he's a god!

[CarltonBlues]

Oscar was more than shot mate.

De La Hoya is my all time favourite fighter so I know he was probably about 7 years past his best but he was only 'shot' after the act.
If Cotto gets KOed will he be 'shot'?
I think we just need to accept Manny is not a little featherweight anymore, he just stomped the jr welterweight champion and is a legit welterweight threat.

[Rise Above]

I'd love to see Cotto win but I cant see it happening. Pac by late rounds KO.

[PIPO23]

Dunnno,

May the best man win.It's month for great fights not just boxing.You got the UFC after this week.The half Filo dude Vera against Cotoure.Couture is a big man.And Vera has the upper hand in the striking department.But if it goes to ground I don't see how Brendan's going to hold him off.

[LeonMcS]

Pip, love your work but take that shit to the UFC forum please.

[JOSEY WALES]

Cotto ..That is all .

[ranser]

De La Hoya is my all time favourite fighter so I know he was probably about 7 years past his best but he was only 'shot' after the act.
If Cotto gets KOed will he be 'shot'?
I think we just need to accept Manny is not a little featherweight anymore, he just stomped the jr welterweight champion and is a legit welterweight threat.

yea, thats a very good point you made.He destroyed the jnr welterweight king, which does show he belongs in the jnr welter division at least..

[Bentchassis]

De La Hoya is my all time favourite fighter so I know he was probably about 7 years past his best but he was only 'shot' after the act.
If Cotto gets KOed will he be 'shot'?
I think we just need to accept Manny is not a little featherweight anymore, he just stomped the jr welterweight champion and is a legit welterweight threat.
He was obviously weight drained CB, as a huge fan you should see this clearly. Pac was outstanding even moreso against Hatton but don't tell me Oscar was anywhere near his physical best.

[Sai]

Pac doesn't look great at the weigh in tbh. Hes definitely had a bad camp as well.

Cotto at 3.70 on Betfair, got to be worth a flutter that.

[ranser]

has the weigh in happend yet?

[ashley]

has the weigh in happend yet?

Yeah mate....go to the main forum for pix :good

[Dantes]

Respect to Cotto. I think Pacman takes it though...

[rodadus]

When does the fight start?
Im in sydney.

[Marcus]

When does the fight start?
Im in sydney.


Undercard starts 1pm.

[roscoe]

This should be a fight to remember. Its fights like this that gets the blood pumping. 2 outstanding world class fighters putting it all on the line. Cotto to win this war.

[ashley]

This should be a fight to remember. Its fights like this that gets the blood pumping. 2 outstanding world class fighters putting it all on the line. Cotto to win this war.

Pac to ko a cautious Cotto in the 7th :yep

[rodadus]

Undercard starts 1pm.

Thanks Marcus.:thumbsup
Wow cant wait for thisIm picking Pac to win this but it can go either way.
See ya guys at the club.

[kflex101]

I've just put a bet on Cotto after the situation finally became too tempting.

Don't get me wrong any man could win this fight, however just like Bernard Hopkins vs Trinidad, I think the betting odds here are far more about hype and momentum rather than which man has the tools to win.
Looking at the facts its hard to understand how Cotto could be such a massive underdog after beating the blazing fast Judah, the extremely skilled and fast Mosely the well skilled and fast paced Malignagi as well as the very strong Clottey all in recent years.
In his sole loss to Margarito, things were very close up to the stoppage and the loaded gloves have to be considered a factor.
Apart from that, Margarito and Pac are as far apart as fighters can be, relying on completely opposite attributes to get the win.

While Pac has been on an enormous roll of late his win against Hatton is the only one that has any bearing whatsoever on this fight.

In many ways I'd love to see Pac win as he seems like such a champ and carries his status of Phillipino hero with such pride, however it's likely Cotto will be simply too much, too strong and wear him down.
I think risking $200 to walk away with $750 has never been a better bet.

[ranser]

I've just put a bet on Cotto after the situation finally became too tempting.

Don't get me wrong any man could win this fight, however just like Bernard Hopkins vs Trinidad, I think the betting odds here are far more about hype and momentum rather than which man has the tools to win.
Looking at the facts its hard to understand how Cotto could be such a massive underdog after beating the blazing fast Judah, the extremely skilled and fast Mosely the well skilled and fast paced Malignagi as well as the very strong Clottey all in recent years.
In his sole loss to Margarito, things were very close up to the stoppage and the loaded gloves have to be considered a factor.
Apart from that, Margarito and Pac are as far apart as fighters can be, relying on completely opposite attributes to get the win.

While Pac has been on an enormous roll of late his win against Hatton is the only one that has any bearing whatsoever on this fight.

In many ways I'd love to see Pac win as he seems like such a champ and carries his status of Phillipino hero with such pride, however it's likely Cotto will be simply too much, too strong and wear him down.
I think risking $200 to walk away with $750 has never been a better bet.

yea pretty good analogy , this fight has got me baffled as to who will win.
It was like calzaghe and hopkins, I just couldn't pick a winner, and that ended up being a split decision.
Actually I'll say split decision today.

[kflex101]

yea pretty good analogy , this fight has got me baffled as to who will win.
It was like calzaghe and hopkins, I just couldn't pick a winner, and that ended up being a split decision.
Actually I'll say split decision today.


Definitely any man could take it.
Given that, I am amazed there are enough people out there willing to risk $1000 on Pac just to make $300. If they didn't exist, I couldn't have placed my bet.

You'd have to be a bit deluded to think he was that sure a favourite to win at such short odds. I wonder if anyone here will fess up to placing a bet on him.

[WhataRock]

I think Pac takes it...He stops Miguel in the 10th once the pace takes its toll.

But Ive decided Ill be rooting for Cotto...He is one of my favs, my 2nd fav outside of Manny, and he is the underdog.

Love to see you get up aswell kflex....Im sweating on a multi thats going to pay near $500 off a $20 outlay.

[kflex101]

Wow, what a fighter Pac is!

The irony is that although most people in the know expected the fight to be very close (as opposed to the casual fan) the fight ended up reasonably one sided.
Unfortunately for me, the odds were about spot on, that's about as one sided as a 3 - 1 betting fight should be.

Where now to Pac then, the little guy just keeps on winning, looking stronger and stronger each time out.

The test of a true P4P champ IMO is to defeat guys who are naturally bigger, adapting your skill set and continuing to seek out challenges. No one does this better than Pac, the Mayweather fight (or any other) I'll never call a joke again.

[teke]

Poor Cotto,

He just got whooped

[flamengo]

Poor Cotto,

He just got whooped


I wish Manny would stop fighting these Hispanic taxi drivers!! :D

[flamengo]

Can you believe the PIG HEADED, inbred, uneducated, conceited, globally destroying, shit brained Fucking AMERICANS played their own NATIONAL ANTHEM before the fight!!!! Whats all that about?? A Philo and a Puerto Rican fighting for the WBO WW title... Fucking Yanks are incredible.

[ipswich express]

Sensational performance by Pacquiao. He's an all time great, that's for sure. Sit back and enjoy the show folks. Would love to see him battle Mosley next, if Floyd doesn't eventuate.

[teke]

Sensational performance by Pacquiao. He's an all time great, that's for sure. Sit back and enjoy the show folks. Would love to see him battle Mosley next, if Floyd doesn't eventuate.What a fight mosley v pac would be

[flamengo]

Sensational performance by Pacquiao. He's an all time great, that's for sure. Sit back and enjoy the show folks. Would love to see him battle Mosley next, if Floyd doesn't eventuate.



Funny you say that Ippy... was thinking exactly the same thing after the fight. Bring on Mosely....

Do you think Manny was exposed a little over the few rounds when Cotto changed his tune and boxed on the back march, moving around and just trying to pick up points without risks??

Might be a smater game plan for Mosely or Mayweather...

[teke]

Funny you say that Ippy... was thinking exactly the same thing after the fight. Bring on Mosely....

Do you think Manny was exposed a little over the few rounds when Cotto changed his tune and boxed on the back march, moving around and just trying to pick up points without risks??

Might be a smater game plan for Mosely or Mayweather...PBF would fight that way and could get into some kind of comfortable groove making it very hard for Manny.

Mosley tends to think more attack less defence. Shane could be busted up real bad if he gets lazy like he often does, however if he pushes the fight he could very well bust Pac the fuck up. The size and strength difference would be great.

[Marcus]

I've just put a bet on Cotto after the situation finally became too tempting.

Don't get me wrong any man could win this fight, however just like Bernard Hopkins vs Trinidad, I think the betting odds here are far more about hype and momentum rather than which man has the tools to win.
Looking at the facts its hard to understand how Cotto could be such a massive underdog after beating the blazing fast Judah, the extremely skilled and fast Mosely the well skilled and fast paced Malignagi as well as the very strong Clottey all in recent years.
In his sole loss to Margarito, things were very close up to the stoppage and the loaded gloves have to be considered a factor.
Apart from that, Margarito and Pac are as far apart as fighters can be, relying on completely opposite attributes to get the win.

While Pac has been on an enormous roll of late his win against Hatton is the only one that has any bearing whatsoever on this fight.

In many ways I'd love to see Pac win as he seems like such a champ and carries his status of Phillipino hero with such pride, however it's likely Cotto will be simply too much, too strong and wear him down.
I think risking $200 to walk away with $750 has never been a better bet.


You should have bet on Yuri :p

[ipswich express]

I'm not sure if exposed is the right word, but it's certainly interesting. Pacquiao was sensational...

[ashley]

You should have bet on Yuri :p

:hail

That being said.....PAC may as well go to 154 and bash $#@% through Yuri and be 8 division champ :yep

[Marcus]

:hail

That being said.....PAC may as well go to 154 and bash $#@% through Yuri and be 8 division champ :yep


Well he had some good practice chasing that little bitch Cotto for half the fight. As soon as Cotto starts to lose he starts to run. :-( Lacks a decent ticker.

[Rise Above]

Well he had some good practice chasing that little bitch Cotto for half the fight. As soon as Cotto starts to lose he starts to run. :-( Lacks a decent ticker.


I have to disagree with you there mate. He took a beating and I'd say alot of guys would have thrown the towel in after that.

[BoppaZoo]

Dont know but my guess is and ive been pretty spot on with Pacman lately, I feel that Pac beats both PBF and Mosley.

Was anyone paying attention to the angles footwork his chin etc.

His Power speed. That is the best ive seen him tonight. Were talking Cotto here. He got busted up worse than the Margo fight and most think Margo had bricks for help.

Yes Cotto looked good when he used the jab but you honestly think PBF will win if he does that run pop a jab every 20 seconds type style.

Pacman will just keep hunting and when he goes for a combination Pacman will be too good.

Pacman wants to be great ore than the others do.

[PorkChopExpress]

Damn he is just a phenomenon!

Can't wait for his next fight. I thought though, when Cotto got on his bike and started running, Pac was struggling to catch him. Getting frustrated and not being able to fight like he wanted really - still he was whooping him but it was because Cotto was so out of it. If he fights PBF, PBF will employ a similar 'running' game plan only with much more style and speed. Pac-PBF could still be a very one sided, boring fight where Floyd just dances away all night.

Hope not though!

[Marcus]

Dont know but my guess is and ive been pretty spot on with Pacman lately, I feel that Pac beats both PBF and Mosley.

Was anyone paying attention to the angles footwork his chin etc.

His Power speed. That is the best ive seen him tonight. Were talking Cotto here. He got busted up worse than the Margo fight and most think Margo had bricks for help.

Yes Cotto looked good when he used the jab but you honestly think PBF will win if he does that run pop a jab every 20 seconds type style.

Pacman will just keep hunting and when he goes for a combination Pacman will be too good.

Pacman wants to be great ore than the others do.


I think it proves Tony didnt have loaded gloves.

[LeonMcS]

I'm spewing at Bayless, had money at good odds on Manny by decision, thought I was finally going to collect for the first time in years.

[BoppaZoo]

I think it proves Tony didnt have loaded gloves.Fair enough i too believe a man is innocent unless proven guilty.

But i just remembered Cotto was great for 6 rounds. Against Pac he was only good for 1.

[PorkChopExpress]

Did anyone who caught the sky boradcast hear the post fight interview? or know a video link for the post fight press conference?

Missed it - wanna know what pac/cotto both had to say...

[ashley]

Did anyone who caught the sky boradcast hear the post fight interview? or know a video link for the post fight press conference?

Missed it - wanna know what pac/cotto both had to say...

Pac said he's going on vacation with the family

Cotto went to the hospital

[ranser]

fuck i feel sad after this fight.Like I don't wana be talking boxing.It feels sad to see Cotto, being a good humble person lose like that.I wish it was a draw!

[ipswich express]

I'm spewing at Bayless, had money at good odds on Manny by decision, thought I was finally going to collect for the first time in years.

More importantly it was a good stoppage. Should have been stopped mid rounds and I don't think anyone would've complained if it were stopped a few rounds prior. Miguel took a hell of a beating.

[VIP]

Manny is a freak. I agree it should have been stopped earlier by his cornermen.

Mayweather/Pacquiao is hard to pick. Possibly a toss up. If anyone can get to Mayweather though, Pacquiao looks like the man to do it.

[roscoe]

Manny is a pure fighting machine. Luved the fight, Cotto was 100% ready but was simply beat down by this amazing fighter. I honestly can't see how floyd beats him. Outstanding performance from the Pacman. Its hard to not like a fighter that continually fights the way he does.

[stiflers mum]

Manny is a freak. I agree it should have been stopped earlier by his cornermen.

Mayweather/Pacquiao is hard to pick. Possibly a toss up. If anyone can get to Mayweather though, Pacquiao looks like the man to do it.
i made a prediction for 2009 thread at the start of the year saying Floyd would come out of retirement and beat Manny maybe he will next year but every fight Manny has he looks better and better.floyd will spank Moseley and avoid Manny i reckon.

[Contendo]

Pac is a machine :yep

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Pac is a machine :yep

...and a bloody good one too!

...a modern day Sugar Ray Robinson this fella.

[stiflers mum]

What a fight mosley v pac would be
Moseley fights whoever Oscar wants him to fight.Mayweather

[PorkChopExpress]

Yeah I want Mosley/Pac more than PBF/Pac - hmm maybe not want it more but it's definitely the better fight imo.

Mosley can take him though I think. So long as he doesn't head hunt from the start and boxes.

Shame, Mosley is taking on Berto in Jan - there are serious problems with the sport if Pac and Floyd don't fight. I hope to god Mosley does beat Berto and then take on the winner of Floyd/Pac

Cotto may also gun for a Mosley rematch now as well - Mosley may take it to avenge the loss

[andriy]

Give me the Aussie angle on the Pac vs Cotto fight

smash him. fucken hit him. wow that little mexican guys real good. fuck that other dudes getting messed up.

[Rise Above]

i think pac is an all time great but i cant see him beating mayweather.

[teke]

Moseley fights whoever Oscar wants him to fight.MayweatherMosley doesnt dance to anyones tune other than his own.

PBF wont fight him cause he is too scared

[TheDuke]

Mosley doesnt dance to anyones tune other than his own.

PBF wont fight him cause he is too scared

At this time I tend to agree.

[JOSEY WALES]

Well he had some good practice chasing that little bitch Cotto for half the fight. As soon as Cotto starts to lose he starts to run. :-( Lacks a decent ticker.

Marcus , sorry to disagree but that Cotto kid got the heart of a lion , trust me getting a shallacking like that takes it out of you mate it takes months to recover from shit like that .

[Rise Above]

Pacman is an all time great but I dont see him beating Mayweather.

[ashley]

Pacman is an all time great but I dont see him beating Mayweather.

Everybody will now want this fight....it would be hard to tip against Pac....but Mayweather is fast enough to make it close.

[Rise Above]

I'd love to see it happen.

[ashley]

I'd love to see it happen.

Mayweather said he will beat pac no problems......"hes a one
dimensional fighter".....big call

[TheDuke]

Mayweather said he will beat pac no problems......"hes a one
dimensional fighter".....big call

PBF is a disgrace. A gifted disgrace, but still a disgrace. He was scared of Cotto. Now Pac has mauled Cotto. I hope Shane Mosley beats the fuck out of him.

[CarltonBlues]

I expected him to win but the manner he's won his last 4 fights since leaving 130 just leaves me gobsmacked. He'll take Mayweather to the cleaners.

[teke]

PBF is a whole diff beast to what Oscar, Ricky and Cotto are. These fighters had elements to their game that Manny just punished.

I love Manny, love him way more than PBF but i dont think he will beat Floyd. If there is one fighter on this planet who could formulate a fight plan to piss Manny off it's PBF. There were sections in the Cotto fight which would have made Floyd smile and say "I got the stuff for you Manny".

[Rise Above]

Totally agree teke.

[PorkChopExpress]

Thirded Teke...

I hope Manny surprises us all though and brings something to upset Mayweathers game.

[CarltonBlues]

PBF is a whole diff beast to what Oscar, Ricky and Cotto are. These fighters had elements to their game that Manny just punished.

I love Manny, love him way more than PBF but i dont think he will beat Floyd. If there is one fighter on this planet who could formulate a fight plan to piss Manny off it's PBF. There were sections in the Cotto fight which would have made Floyd smile and say "I got the stuff for you Manny".

It's the same story with Pac every fight. Cotto was the guy who was gonna make him pay for his mistakes but Manny sat on the ropes and said give me your best and a minute later Cotto was on his arse. Mayweather can't pot shot this guy, he barely did enough to get past De La Hoya. Manny will beat him and it will be easy.

[Contendo]

It's the same story with Pac every fight. Cotto was the guy who was gonna make him pay for his mistakes but Manny sat on the ropes and said give me your best and a minute later Cotto was on his arse. Mayweather can't pot shot this guy, he barely did enough to get past De La Hoya. Manny will beat him and it will be easy.

Well fucking said!! :good

[stiflers mum]

It's the same story with Pac every fight. Cotto was the guy who was gonna make him pay for his mistakes but Manny sat on the ropes and said give me your best and a minute later Cotto was on his arse. Mayweather can't pot shot this guy, he barely did enough to get past De La Hoya. Manny will beat him and it will be easy.
easy? Mayweather is boring but very good he will make MP look boring and nullify pacs style.but i hope you're right and im wrong.

[stiflers mum]

Mosley doesnt dance to anyones tune other than his own.

PBF wont fight him cause he is too scared
:lol:did you see him at PBF's post fight interview after JMM challenging floyd?totally planned by Oscar.he even had to have Nard with him holding his hand:lol:.Oscar says suck my dick Shane and sugar says can i lick your balls daddy.this fight will happen PBF if scared of anyone is scared of Manny.

[ipswich express]

It's the same story with Pac every fight. Cotto was the guy who was gonna make him pay for his mistakes but Manny sat on the ropes and said give me your best and a minute later Cotto was on his arse. Mayweather can't pot shot this guy, he barely did enough to get past De La Hoya. Manny will beat him and it will be easy.

While I get what you´re saying, don´t forget that Floyd fought Oscar at 154lbs. It makes a big difference.

[TheDuke]

Guys if you haven't seen this yet - someone has resurrected a thread from 2007 in the general forum:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Amongst other things Pac's ability to win a title at 135 is doubted. Paulie Malignaggi is tipped to beat him and so on. Some even say he hasn't established himself at 130.

Classic humour to be found.

[teke]

Guys if you haven't seen this yet - someone has resurrected a thread from 2007 in the general forum:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Amongst other things Pac's ability to win a title at 135 is doubted. Paulie Malignaggi is tipped to beat him and so on. Some even say he hasn't established himself at 130.

Classic humour to be found.While I havnt looked at your link Pacdbest astounded me back in the day. Out of nowhere he stated that Pacman would beat Oscar and Ricky...man he copped some shit from that :lol:

Look who is smiling now :yep

[teke]

It's the same story with Pac every fight. Cotto was the guy who was gonna make him pay for his mistakes but Manny sat on the ropes and said give me your best and a minute later Cotto was on his arse. Mayweather can't pot shot this guy, he barely did enough to get past De La Hoya. Manny will beat him and it will be easy.Its not the same story from me every Pac fight, I have picked him to win every single fight he's been in.

Im gonna go further and say PBF will hurt even KO Pacman. Im sure of it

[pecks]

Its not the same story from me every Pac fight, I have picked him to win every single fight he's been in.

Im gonna go further and say PBF will hurt even KO Pacman. Im sure of itYou're sure of nothing cunt, and don't try and pretend otherwise. :yep

Floyd will beat him though. His defence is just too good, and the fight will be shit just like most of his other fights.

I've also never gone against Pac in any of the fights he's been in. But we all needed to see the last 2 years unfold before we would have picked him against Cotto.

[stiflers mum]

You're sure of nothing cunt, and don't try and pretend otherwise. :yep

Floyd will beat him though. His defence is just too good, and the fight will be shit just like most of his other fights.

I've also never gone against Pac in any of the fights he's been in. But we all needed to see the last 2 years unfold before we would have picked him against Cotto.
you're probably right.but the DLH,Hatton and Cotto beatings have Floyd scared he will defeat the shrunken testicle,steroid taking,DeLahoya shoeshine boy Shane Moseley next.10 rounds to 2.in a shit fight.

[Rise Above]

I picked Oscar to beat Pac but not Hatton or Cotto. I'd love to see Pac beat Floyd but its not going to happen. If the fight does go ahead I'd be willing to have a year long avatar bet that Floyd wins it.