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Mendoza
09-23-2007, 04:41 PM
Why did fighters stop throwing punches to the heart and neck?

Duodenum
09-23-2007, 04:58 PM
Why did fighters stop throwing punches to the heart and neck?You mean boxing has degenerated that much since I stopped following it? (The best single punch of Holmes's career was a right to Evangelista's neck. Norton gave Bobick laryngitis.) Wow, the sport really has changed!

ChrisPontius
09-23-2007, 05:19 PM
Sultan Ibragimov punched at Briggs' chest/heart a few times, don't really know why but they landed.

Kolya
09-23-2007, 05:29 PM
They haven't; they just tend to aim at the solar plexus more; but plenty of guys still throw to the chest; body.

Drew101
09-23-2007, 05:33 PM
Holyfield dropped Tyson with shot to the chest, and, conversely, was finished off by Toney with a punch that landed in the same reigon. As Kolya said, it's still a targeted area, but it isn't as commonly targeted as it once was.

cross_trainer
09-23-2007, 05:38 PM
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Bo Bo Olson
09-24-2007, 05:03 PM
Hitting to the shoulder.....for years I'd bought that Ottka had a wildly inaccurate right hand until his last fight, where he did not get the KO he was looking for.
Ottka threw the right, if the man moved to his left he got hit in the head, if not he got hit in the shoulder and , that weakened the man's left shoulder so that Ottka could win the later rounds.

Bigcat
09-24-2007, 06:00 PM
Mike Tyson was an expert at throwong sneak shots to the liver..

He was an artist at perfect anatomical punching..

Golota was great at the art of Testicular damage..

C. M. Clay II
09-24-2007, 06:35 PM
Mike Tyson was an expert at throwong sneak shots to the liver..

He was an artist at perfect anatomical punching..

Golota was great at the art of Testicular damage..

Marciano threw neck punches if I recall.

Nemesis
09-24-2007, 06:55 PM
Hitting to the shoulder.....for years I'd bought that Ottka had a wildly inaccurate right hand until his last fight, where he did not get the KO he was looking for.
Ottka threw the right, if the man moved to his left he got hit in the head, if not he got hit in the shoulder and , that weakened the man's left shoulder so that Ottka could win the later rounds.

In all seriousness, you might be on to something, Ottke's opponents always had very little punch outputs as the fight wore on.

Thread Stealer
09-24-2007, 07:24 PM
The most brutal punch to the neck I've seen was Leonard against Lalonde.

Ouch.

Mendoza
09-25-2007, 06:38 AM
Mike Tyson was an expert at throwong sneak shots to the liver..

He was an artist at perfect anatomical punching..

Golota was great at the art of Testicular damage..

Hopkins has prefected the art of kidney punching while the ref is other side of the action.

Bummy Davis
09-25-2007, 06:51 AM
Dempsey stopped a few guys with punches to the heart, Marciano loved to punch the heart neck and forearms, its a lost art today,Greb and Ketchel also like to stop an opponent in his track with a heart shot

Mendoza
09-25-2007, 07:49 AM
Dempsey stopped a few guys with punches to the heart, Marciano loved to punch the heart neck and forearms, its a lost art today,Greb and Ketchel also like to stop an opponent in his track with a heart shot

I agree. Body punching in general is lacking today.

Clearly Cool
09-25-2007, 07:58 AM
I once read that in the days of bareknuckle fighting and even with the earlier style boxing gloves, you could KO someone with a shot to the heart, you had to land in a specific place (from memory digging in under the ribs) but as the gloves got more padded it was impossible to get enough concentrated impact.

Can anyone verify this?

PowerPuncher
09-25-2007, 10:16 AM
If you can punch the neck GREAT but if your opponent tooks their chin and has his shoulders high the neck is inpentruble

Plenty of fighters punch to the heart/solar plexus -Mayweather jabs to it for 1.

1 you don't see too often is a right hook to the LIVER - yes RIGHT hook to the LIVER. Mayweather punnished Gatti for bending over throwing a right hook over his back to the liver. Not sure of the illegality of that 1

While were on dirty fighting, not too much behind the back of the head Rabit Punching, Brits seem to do this best with Nigel Benn ruining McCellan, Lennox Lewis and Bruno made it a stable of their rough house tactics

The uppercut as a whole isn't thrown too much but missing an uppercut leaves you very open. It is a bit of a lost art

amhlilhaus
09-25-2007, 11:22 AM
I once read that in the days of bareknuckle fighting and even with the earlier style boxing gloves, you could KO someone with a shot to the heart, you had to land in a specific place (from memory digging in under the ribs) but as the gloves got more padded it was impossible to get enough concentrated impact.

Can anyone verify this?

in adam pollacks excellent book on john l. sullivan, the two major targets for sullivan (who usually wore 6oz gloves or less) was the neck and temple area. it took pinpoint accuracy but imagine being hit in the neck by someone trained to punch with tiny ufc style gloves, hell the ufc guys routinely drop and seriously hurt guys with punches and they're nowhere near world class in boxing, a trained boxer doing work with small gloves makes me shudder, really makes you understand how tough the early gloved fighters were to fight with those tools.

achillesthegreat
09-25-2007, 03:42 PM
Why did fighters stop throwing punches to the heart and neck?
They haven't.

Floyd rocked Corley back with a southpaw right hook to the chest/heart.

Guys punch the neck all the time.

Grabonator
09-25-2007, 03:56 PM
Good that we still have guys like Cotto.

red cobra
09-25-2007, 06:03 PM
Back in '70 or '71 Jose Napoles ko'd Ernie Lopez with a really freaky hybrid right hand punch that was a mix of uppercut and a cross. It landed on Lopez's left eye and nearly dislodged the eye from the socket. Napoles was at the very top of his game then, with a very impressive tko scored over top contender and much feared badass Adolph Pruitt during that same year.

red cobra
09-25-2007, 06:32 PM
Back in '70 or '71 Jose Napoles ko'd Ernie Lopez with a really freaky hybrid right hand punch that was a mix of uppercut and a cross. It landed on Lopez's left eye and nearly dislodged the eye from the socket. Napoles was at the very top of his game then, with a very impressive tko scored over top contender and much feared badass Adolph Pruitt during that same year.
I failed to mention that the same punch put Lopez on the deck for the count. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles was, in my opinion, one of the very best welters, as well as one of the very best fighters of all time. He had a rather short tenure of greatness, but during that tenure, he had it all at once. He was prone to cuts around his eye, which led to that title losing tko to Billy Backus in 1970. That loss, a fluke if there ver was one, was avenged in '71 in a brutally efficient manner.

Bigcat
09-25-2007, 07:14 PM
A lot of less celebrated fringe contenders from the 80's had tools that are rarely seen in todays game.. I remember Scott Ledoux , he moved slowly never punched that hard but rarely got caught flush, he knew how to move laterally better than anyone around today and if you missed him he always countered with something even if it wasn't murderous, Ole school really knew shit, some of todays cats could learn loads from them.. One of the sneakiest shots that Larry Holmes used was a shot to the side of the hip just on the line of the cup.. It would strike a nerve , and he would slyly repeat the move over and over until your legs went very weak..Courage Tshabalala sparred a lot of rounds with him and he told me that it was something he was shown by Larry years ago.. real insider shit.. Crafty old bastard..

but we have to love the petulant sod..

He Hate Me
09-25-2007, 08:28 PM
Why did fighters stop throwing punches to the heart and neck?

Trainers not emphasizing it during training.