is 140 hatton a different person than the 147 version??

[Relentless]

i have been reading at 140 hatton beats mayweather cotto and oscar if he can come down.

but he loses to them at 147.

:huh:huh

[gold_gloves]

This is mainly based on the fact that Ricky's one fight at 147 is arguably the most controversial of his entire career.

Collazos performance i think is very underestimated and he is given little credit with all the blame bring on hatton for fighting shit, although he did look considerably worse at 147.

I think at 147 ricky is not the little powerhouse he is at 140 as the bodies get bigger and the power steps up a notch ricky loses his advantage.
He was also much much slower....but than again Collazo was very good that night...

with all that said, Ricky is brilliant at 140 and has little experience at 147 for an accurate reading of his ability at that weight to be made.
but i think he would have a better advantage against any fighter at 140 than 147 because it is his natural fighting weight.

[Relentless]

i think the fight with collazo had to do with how good collazo was and not hatton, hatton said he didn't have the power at 147 because he could not hurt collazo but the hard hitting mosley could not hurt him bad either, it shows how good collazo really is

[MancMexican]

I think its a combination of Collazo being far better than people give him credit for, his style being the worst possible for Hatton, and Hatton not fully training for 147. Given the proper training he would be more effective, but he's too short and stocky for 147 as a general rule.

[Relentless]

collazo was very underrated, he wasn't a top 10 welter, everyone thought hatton would blow him out, but collazo proved wrong, give collazo his credit, hatton didn't perform shit, collazo was just a good fighter.

[Taffyy]

Due to his frame & stature I dont think Hatton can take the power & style up to 147 & use it as effectively as he does at 140.....That being said a more gradual build up to the weight may produce a better finished product than the short build up time he had for collazo........As has already been said though...I think collazo is underated & was very good on the night with a style that was very awkward for Hatton...........As I said at the time Ricky was very lucky to win that fight........That knockdown saved him imo.........

[stake501]

Wasn't Collazo being a southpaw quite significant as well

[Taffyy]

Wasn't Collazo being a southpaw quite significant as well
Yes it was mate.............That coupled with his style made him a nightmare opponent for Ricky....

[China_hand_Joe]

If he stayed in shape now and built up from there be might cope better than if he competely blew up, might build more effecient muscle or something.

[Relentless]

hatton needs to fire kerry kayes!!! he done a bad job.

[China_hand_Joe]

I doubt Kayes approves of Hatton blowing up between fights, he just has to be a yes man in those times.

[deram]

Very different!

Hatton relies mostly on pressure, bullying, rubbing and smearing techniques. Therefore he has to be physically at least on par to beat anyone good.

He does not have a great skillset that will allow him to move up the divisions.

[achillesthegreat]

Hatton simply isn't that big. To make the weight he has to put on manafactured muscle. He is only 5'6 with 20 inch arms. Hatton just hasn't been one to kill himself to make 135 then go into 140 then go into 147 later. Yeah he could call himself a 3 weight fighter but he wouldn't perform how he'd want.

Feeling right is very important for Hatton. It's why he trains like he does, for as long as he does and it always culminating in one weight.

Hatton against Castillo still only put on 9 pounds! Same for Urango.

[Relentless]

give collazo credit, hatton didn't have a hard time because he wasn't properly prepared, collazo was just a handful.

[1-Ton]

Hatton has 1 fight at 147. Not enough evidence to make a determination.

[achillesthegreat]

give collazo credit, hatton didn't have a hard time because he wasn't properly prepared, collazo was just a handful.
99.9% didn't say this pre fight. About two did - carlos because he is horribly biased and me. :D

[Relentless]

i said it aswell, i remember watching a few of collazo's old fights.

[achillesthegreat]

i said it aswell, i remember watching a few of collazo's old fights.
A few did. It wasn't just me and Carlos :D

I saw Collazo v MAG and thought this guys gonna be a bitch. He clearly has skill, it's just about whether he has the intangiables to implement it.

Then I saw Collazo lose and I didn't think it was indicitive of him being shit. Just looked like a good boxer who got caught with a big shot, got hurt and ref jumped in. He got caught with something I couldn't see Hatton producing.

Collazo won the belt on two weeks notice. Rivera winning the 154 title before the fight still didn't wake people up.

Fact is, Collazo is a good fighter. The natural size was the major issue I think. Collazo had height, reach and natural size on him. Their weights were roughly the same but Hatton manafactured muscle in about 6 weeks and admits he cut corners knowing he was going up in weight.

[Scar]

Hatton has 1 fight at 147. Not enough evidence to make a determination.

It is enough in my opinion, he struggled but this doesn't mean he sucks, it's just that Collazo's style was too difficult for him.

[DoumB]

i said it aswell, i remember watching a few of collazo's old fights.

I had collazo winning the fight.

[PH|LLA]

Hatton's style requires him to be physically strong.

Add to that the fact that he's 5'6"

Its no wonder people think he'd have trouble at 147

[Stinky gloves]

Hatton is almost the same at 147lb, maybe more Fatton style,
but other guys are much bigger and stronger than the likes from 140lb..

[maciek4]

Hatton came in at 149 thats only a 9lbs weight gain from his weight in, Castillo came in at 153. Hatton is short with short reach so he uses his strenght a lot, pushing his opponents around and throwing hooks and uppercuts on the inside, this style suits better with smaller opponents. 147 is not as good for him.

[MagnificentMatt]

i think the fight with collazo had to do with how good collazo was and not hatton, hatton said he didn't have the power at 147 because he could not hurt collazo but the hard hitting mosley could not hurt him bad either, it shows how good collazo really is

I agree but remember, when Mosley was at 154 he was lifting way to much, so i think the one was saw fight Collazo was more geared for speed and combinations...But still, Mosleys fast combinations always did the job back in the day so i dont know...

But i agree, Collazo has a good chin.

[gilad]

Collazo is a not only a skilled southpaw, but also Huge for 147, he can fight easily at 154. Hatton fought him in his first fight at the weight so it was very difficult. Floyd, not to discredit him, fought small 147 pounders in his first two fights at the weight (Mitchell and Zab, who came from 140), so he was more comfortable at the weight before facing Baldomir, a big welter.

[Relentless]

Collazo is a not only a skilled southpaw, but also Huge for 147, he can fight easily at 154. Hatton fought him in his first fight at the weight so it was very difficult. Floyd, not to discredit him, fought small 147 pounders in his first two fights at the weight (Mitchell and Zab, who came from 140), so he was more comfortable at the weight before facing Baldomir, a big welter.

hattons team picked the fight to win another title at another weight class, they underestimated collazo, they thought hatton would tear through him to an impressive victory since collazo wasn't in the ring top 10.

[gilad]

We still don't know how good Collazo is. He lasted the distance against Sugar Shane with one hand. I wanna see him in another big fight, I think he beats Margarito and Cintron, but he needs to prove it.

[C Money]

Hatton's likelyhood of success is based on the opponent at 47. A naturally smaller guy going up like Floyd will make the weight less of an issue. A guy like Margarito?? Would make it much more difficult.

As for Collazo?? being a SOUTHPAW and a decent boxer had much to do with Hattons difficulty. Hattons best body shot is his left hook downstairs which took out JLC. The southpaw stance and Collazo's ability negated the effectiveness of that shot. It clearly affected Hatton's performance.:good

[psychopath]

i have been reading at 140 hatton beats mayweather cotto and oscar if he can come down.

but he loses to them at 147.

:huh:huh


Understandbly people will always say that based on Hatton's dismall showing against Collazo. :yep

His 5'6" frame is not made for the 147 lbs division. Let's just say that 140 is his best fighting weight.

[gilad]

As much is it sounds strange, I think physically speaking (skills aside), Hatton will have an easier time with Floyd and with Cotto than he had with Collazo, because Collazo is a southpaw and also naturally bigger than Floyd and Cotto, and also has a better Chin than them. Hatton wasn't capable of hurting Luis with his power shots but there's no doubt Hatton can hurt both Floyd and Cotto (No doubt Cotto can hurt Hatton too, and Floyd can at least bust him up).

[Relentless]

cotto is pretty big and a natural southpaw who often switches stance, did you see the size of him against judah??

he took some of judah's monster uppercuts and never showed he was hurt (he was obviously hurt but the way he hid it impressed me)

[gilad]

Cotto was hurt badly at least once. He has great recovery power and is great mentally, but his chin isn't great, we saw that in the past (It's good at best). Collazo was never down is his career (in the Hatton fight he as off balance) and I only saw him hurt once, in a fight that was wrongly stopped against a huge puncher (he got hit with a few power punches and didn't go down). But I agree Cotto is stronger than Hatton, at least at 147, even Urango was and he fights at 140.