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colinthfc
11-12-2009, 02:41 PM
Lennox Lewis is 1
Frank Bruno 2
I assume Haye is a new entry at 3. Will a victory of Ruiz take him to 2?
I don't think he'd be above Bruno. Bruno beat McCall to win his title and has more depth to his record, he was also in an extremely tough era the majority of those which beat him I'd favour over Haye, not like he was losing to scrubs.
kosaros
11-12-2009, 02:46 PM
Bruno 2nd :rofl
And I love Big Frank BTW.
Edit: Also you think Haye will eclipse all of Bruno's achievements by beating Barrett, Bonin, Valuev and Ruiz? :lol:
You would think a boxing nation like Britain would have produced more world class heavyweights...
Would Fitzsimmon class a better heavy than Frank considering he won the linear title?
Haye is a better boxer than Bruno, he has more overrall talent and a better overrall record. He'll prob have to beat a couple more rated heavies and hell easily eclipse Bruno.
in fact im surprised in a Bruno V Haye thread so many were picking Bruno to beat him...laughable! Haye is twice the talent Bruno ever was!!
Mandanda
11-12-2009, 03:12 PM
Boxrec has this as it's top 6
1)Lennox Lewis
2)Henry Cooper
3)Frank Bruno
4)Henry Akinwande
5)Bruce Woodcock
6)Brian London
Boxrec has this as it's top 6
1)Lennox Lewis
2)Henry Cooper
3)Frank Bruno
4)Henry Akinwande
5)Bruce Woodcock
6)Brian London
No Tommy Farr...? Seems unfair..
also what an unglorious list of fighters..:patsch
Mazallan
11-12-2009, 03:23 PM
Fitzsimmons deserves to be 2nd. Boxrec are retarded.
Bruno vs Haye would have been amazing. The durability question would be amazing.
Mandanda
11-12-2009, 03:24 PM
No Tommy Farr...? Seems unfair..
also what an unglorious list of fighters..:patsch
Farr's at 11 i think. Disgraceful list imo.
kosaros
11-12-2009, 03:27 PM
ESB Brit forum's top 10 Brit Heavys:
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Henry Cooper
4. Joe Bugner
5. Frank Bruno
6. Tommy Farr
7. Tom Sharkey
8. Don Cockell
9. Henry Akinwande
10. Danny Williams
janitor
11-12-2009, 04:52 PM
Lewis is obviously No 1.
Bob Fitzsimmons has to be granted the No2 slot if only because he was the undisputed heavyweight champion.
Tommy Farr is a prety clear cut No3 in my opinion. He was never recognised as the top heavyweight on the planet but he came nearer to the mark than any of the others.
Lewisbell
11-12-2009, 05:41 PM
Danny Williams will be number 1 after beating the monster Edgars Kalnars
You would think a boxing nation like Britain would have produced more world class heavyweights...
Would Fitzsimmon class a better heavy than Frank considering he won the linear title?
Haye is a better boxer than Bruno, he has more overrall talent and a better overrall record. He'll prob have to beat a couple more rated heavies and hell easily eclipse Bruno.
in fact im surprised in a Bruno V Haye thread so many were picking Bruno to beat him...laughable! Haye is twice the talent Bruno ever was!!
It's not that laughable. Bruno had the talent to match Lennox Lewis blow for blow for a long period in their fight until he got caught. Infact Bruno was doing more than holding his own in that fight, Lennox was really struggling.
Haye hasn't fought a heavyweight capable of punching him yet, Barrett and especially Bonin are pretty worthless and Valuev wasn't capable of mounting any attack.
Boxrec has this as it's top 6
1)Lennox Lewis
2)Henry Cooper
3)Frank Bruno
4)Henry Akinwande
5)Bruce Woodcock
6)Brian London
Thats laughable no Farr no Bugner ffs Danny Williams achieved more than London did and for all the popularity Cooper had no way he is top 10 let alone top 3.
janitor
11-12-2009, 06:35 PM
In many ways the top three write themselves.
1. Lennox Lewis
Unified the titles. Recognised as the best heavyweight on the planet for a substantial period. One of only about half a dozen heavyweights since the turn of the century to dominate a defineable era, whether you rate the era or not.
Prety clear cut case for the No1 slot.
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
Beat the best heavyweight on the planet to establish himself as undisputed champion. Had a short reign as champion, but cleared out all the top contenders of the period except Jeffries. Knocked out many of the top names of his era in absolutely brutal fashion.
Whether you rate his era or not, nobody on the list apart from Lewis came close to acomplishing the equivalent in their own era.
3. Tommy Farr
Split a series with Max Baer who whether you rate him or not was a recently dethroned undisputed heavyweight champion. Gave the regning champion (not just any reigning champion) a close fight in a loosing effort. Basicaly beat Jimmy Braddock (another recently dethroned undisputed heavyweight champion) but got robbed. At his hiatus he was ranked No2 by Ring Magazine behind only Joe Louis and Max Schmeling.
Whether you rate his era or not his acomplishments within it were a little more convincing than thoise of Bugner Bruno or other contenders for the No3 slot.
GazOC
11-12-2009, 06:45 PM
Each to his own but I've never had Farr that high and to say he's a shoo in for that spot is really over stating his case.
China_hand_Joe
11-12-2009, 06:47 PM
You can't have Cooper top 5, the likes of Calzaghe could beat him.
Primadonna Kool
11-12-2009, 06:48 PM
A Prime Danny Williams is better than David Haye in my opinion....
GazOC
11-12-2009, 06:51 PM
You can't have Cooper top 5, the likes of Calzaghe could beat him.
Depends what you rank for really.....he was very average at world class but had longievity as European/ British champ. If you wieght the rankings for the former then he comes up short, if you give credit for the latter.....
You have to remember outside the first few places, we're not exactly picking from the most stellar group of fighters to ever walk the planet. Every position outside the top 2 is a compromise/ judgement call
I'd have Tommy Farr 3 or 4 too.
a prime 2000 a-force is top 3.
He is not even top 3 in 2000
bratwurzt
11-13-2009, 04:32 AM
He's not even top 2000
turpinr
11-13-2009, 05:16 AM
I'd have Tommy Farr 3 or 4 too.
probably right.he'd have taken henry cooper apart.
janitor
11-13-2009, 02:19 PM
Each to his own but I've never had Farr that high and to say he's a shoo in for that spot is really over stating his case.
If you rank him on acomplishments relative to his era, then it would be hard to make a case for ranking anybody above him apart from Lewis and Fitz.
You might be able to argue that sombody like Bugner or Bruno could have beaten him head to head.
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