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atg
09-23-2007, 07:39 PM
I don't want to have really big muscles or anything like that because I am worried it would make me slow and awkward as a fighter. But I was wondering is it possible to get to big from doing body weight exersises?
I do a circuit for conditioning with lots of squat thrusts and pull ups and other arm exersises....My arms are always really sore after. I know this is good but I am just worried I'm gonna end up like those guys with the huge arms with no coordination or speed.

So could body wieght exersises slow you down?

Relentless
09-23-2007, 07:50 PM
you can get big with bodyweight training, if you train for max strength,

when i train i dont care about the equipment, i train for a goal.

to become bigger and stronger with bodyweights focus on;

handstand push ups
one handed push ups
one legged squats
glute ham raises
weighted pull ups

box03
09-23-2007, 07:57 PM
Getting bigger arms depends on what you eat and how you lift, if you could give me a rough estimate of what you eat and how much protein you take a day I think I could help you. Also everybodys body is different, also usually people with longer arms have a harder time putting size on there arms.

viru§™
09-23-2007, 08:41 PM
I don't want to have really big muscles or anything like that because I am worried it would make me slow and awkward as a fighter.
You say it like it's easy to build muscle, one day you'll just wake up and be huge. It takes a long time to build a decent amount of muscle (as in the average person can gain around 25lbs of dry muscle tissue a year if they have a good diet, workout every week and have good genetics).

But yes, you can get big without weights. Look at gymnasts.

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gregsid
09-23-2007, 09:57 PM
I've been the same weight for the past 5 years and I'm far more stronger and faster than I was back then.
All I use is bodyweight training, only time I incorporate weights is through weighted vests, ankle weights, wrist weights and medicine balls.

younghypnotiq
09-23-2007, 10:04 PM
um buddy., being sore isnt good.

gregsid
09-23-2007, 11:36 PM
Yeah, if your sore after workouts, that usually means your overloading on your workouts and using the same muscles rather than mixing it up. Muscles need rest, thats why your supposed to alternate the muscles you use everyday by switching up your workout.
Stay away from machines and stick to bodyweight exercises if you want to stay the same weight and speed while getting ripped.

viru§™
09-24-2007, 08:33 AM
Being sore shows that you're using the muscles in a different way to what you usually do e.g. doing squats instead of sitting infront of the TV all day. I remember the first time I ever done sit-ups, the next day I felt like I'd been stabbed :scaredas:

Being sore is not a definate good or bad thing, pain is obviously different.

gregsid
09-24-2007, 03:11 PM
Being sore shows that you're using the muscles in a different way to what you usually do e.g. doing squats instead of sitting infront of the TV all day. I remember the first time I ever done sit-ups, the next day I felt like I'd been stabbed :scaredas:

Being sore is not a definate good or bad thing, pain is obviously different.

Well said. Better than me at least.

RDJ
09-24-2007, 05:05 PM
If your body is not capable of performing the task it will try to adapt. If you're fairly muscled already you will not gain mass from most bodyweight exercises. If you're a scrawny little 90 pound midget that may be different.

Nwil
09-24-2007, 08:11 PM
to become bigger and stronger with bodyweights focus on;

handstand push ups
one handed push ups
one legged squats
glute ham raises
weighted pull ups

weighted pull ups aren't bodyweight. For a beginner, pull ups will build max strength probably.

In response to the initial post, you don't necessarily have to do all max strength movements to gain muscle. It helps, but even normal push ups and squats build muscle. Plus, maximal strength is the least important strength quality in boxing.

oh, and some other max strength exercises are one arm pull ups and one arm handstand push ups....you're strong as shit if you can do 5 or 10 of those.

Relentless
09-24-2007, 08:58 PM
weighted pull ups aren't bodyweight. For a beginner, pull ups will build max strength probably.

In response to the initial post, you don't necessarily have to do all max strength movements to gain muscle. It helps, but even normal push ups and squats build muscle. Plus, maximal strength is the least important strength quality in boxing.

oh, and some other max strength exercises are one arm pull ups and one arm handstand push ups....you're strong as shit if you can do 5 or 10 of those.

maximal strength isn't the 'least' important, to gain explosiveness you must also have good strength....

ralphc
09-24-2007, 09:25 PM
I don't want to have really big muscles or anything like that because I am worried it would make me slow and awkward as a fighter. But I was wondering is it possible to get to big from doing body weight exersises?
I do a circuit for conditioning with lots of squat thrusts and pull ups and other arm exersises....My arms are always really sore after. I know this is good but I am just worried I'm gonna end up like those guys with the huge arms with no coordination or speed.

So could body wieght exersises slow you down?



Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey never worried about these problems, so why should you? All you have to do is train the way they did, and, depending on your talent, you will get similiar results. Boxers have known for over a hundred years how to get in shape, this is nothing new.

Relentless
09-24-2007, 09:28 PM
Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey never worried about these problems, so why should you? All you have to do is train the way they did, and, depending on your talent, you will get similiar results. Boxers have known for over a hundred years how to get in shape, this is nothing new.

because joe louis and jack dempsey didn't have to worry about making weight.

Nwil
09-24-2007, 11:07 PM
maximal strength isn't the 'least' important, to gain explosiveness you must also have good strength....

you didn't even argue what I said. there are four strength qualities, right? endurance, explosive, speed and maximal. In boxing, the order of importance is endurance, explosive and speed can be argued for 2nd or 3rd, and max strength last.

And no, you do not need to develop max strength for explosiveness - plyos are done in reps of 10. max strength is 5 or less.

Relentless
09-25-2007, 06:51 AM
you didn't even argue what I said. there are four strength qualities, right? endurance, explosive, speed and maximal. In boxing, the order of importance is endurance, explosive and speed can be argued for 2nd or 3rd, and max strength last.

And no, you do not need to develop max strength for explosiveness - plyos are done in reps of 10. max strength is 5 or less.

yes you do, you need a good base of strength for plyometrics, put it this way, plyometrics convert strength into explosiveness.