Calzaghe-Kessler: My Analysis

[unclepaulie]

Let me just say before anyone reads this that i have no preference for either Calzaghe or Kessler. That being said I have spent some time in the past few days analyzing both fighters. This is an independent analysis that i have based on facts, not who my favorite is.

This being said I believe Mikkel Kessler is going to win a unanimous decision come November 3rd. While Calzaghe does have more wins, and is The Ring champ, therefore the legimate champ IMO, I believe Kessler has fought tougher overall competition. By now Calzaghe fans are probably fuming and thinking I have no idea what im talking about, but just look at the facts. Calzaghe has fought 11 opponents with a a sub-50% record, Kessler has fought 2. Also Calzaghes opponents in championship fights has been no where near championship level. It was my original purpose to list some of theese fighters, along with the 5 fights they had immediatley preceding Calzaghe. I opted not to do this but invite you to look for yourself at boxrec.com. Look at Calzaghes level of opposition, which is bad enough. Then look at Calzaghes opponents level of opposition. Kessler has not fought vastly better opposition, but I believe better opposition nonetheless. If anybody reading this disagrees I welcome all to make your point and if there is any reason and truth behind it I will be happy to debate the subject.

[unclepaulie]

Originally posted by Blocky
Sorry, but you're just simply wrong. Siaca, Mundine, Beyer and Andrade represent Kessler's four best challenges. Eubank, Lacy, Mitchell and Reid represent Joe's four best challenges.
With the exception of Lacy, who i give full credit to Joe for udderly dominating, I dont hold any of theese fighters in high regard and fail to see why you would.
Then we look at the Mkertchians, Brewer's, Woodhalls, Sheika's, Veit's - most of whom were in the youth/prime of their career when Calzaghe fought them.
Prime or not with the exception of Omar Shieka, all theese fighters are simply good. not champion level, but good.
With no mention of fight styles, fight plans and pathways to victory, this isn't an analysis, this is an abortion.

If you would please take time out of your im sure very busy schedule, maybe you could read where i say i based this analysis on facts, not intangibles. I have more than a month left to compare theese factors and will.

Now what you've done isn't fight analysis, what you've done is resume comparison (and you've done that horridly too)

What i have done is an analysis, in this case based on records, fighters beat, how said fighters were beat and how badly. And if Resume comparison isnt one of if the most important factors leading into a fight where there is honestly no way we can be sure of the outcome, I dont know what is. and please tell me how i did this horridly, as i fail to see. Not to mention you didnt present one fact or argument as to WHY im wrong. Instead you did what anyone can do and just told me im wrong. Next time please present an educated responese as to why you think Calzaghe will win, dont just tell me im wrong.

[Korn_06]

Let me just say before anyone reads this that i have no preference for either Calzaghe or Kessler. That being said I have spent some time in the past few days analyzing both fighters. This is an independent analysis that i have based on facts, not who my favorite is.

This being said I believe Mikkel Kessler is going to win a unanimous decision come November 3rd. While Calzaghe does have more wins, and is The Ring champ, therefore the legimate champ IMO, I believe Kessler has fought tougher overall competition. By now Calzaghe fans are probably fuming and thinking I have no idea what im talking about, but just look at the facts. Calzaghe has fought 11 opponents with a a sub-50% record, Kessler has fought 2. Also Calzaghes opponents in championship fights has been no where near championship level. It was my original purpose to list some of theese fighters, along with the 5 fights they had immediatley preceding Calzaghe. I opted not to do this but invite you to look for yourself at boxrec.com. Look at Calzaghes level of opposition, which is bad enough. Then look at Calzaghes opponents level of opposition. Kessler has not fought vastly better opposition, but I believe better opposition nonetheless. If anybody reading this disagrees I welcome all to make your point and if there is any reason and truth behind it I will be happy to debate the subject.

To be honest I believe that Calzaghe would have beaten all of Kesslers opposition and that Kessler would have beaten all of Calzaghe's opposotion. Therefore this can not really tell us anything about the outcome of this fight. Mikkel has never been in troubble against any opponent so far. Which means that none of the guys he has beaten has been a real challenge for him. The same we can not say for Calzaghe, against Bika he was in more troubble than anyone expected and frankly I think he Calzaghe looked slow and hessitant in the fight against Manfredo.

From reading these boards you should think that it is written in the bible that Joe has the fastest hands in SMW, I think his flurrys are very fast but when it comes to the jabs and straight punches I think Kessler is faster.

Kessler by TKO I have said it before.

[unclepaulie]

Originally posted by Blocky
Yet you hold Mundine, Siaca, Beyer and Andrade in high regard? But not Eubank, one of the best at 168lb ever, not Reid, a constant contender and also title holder at 168, not Mitchell, a constant contender and title holder at 168 nor Woodhall, a tough contender and title holder at 168?

Never did I say I hold any of Kesslers opponents in high regard. I simply said I think Kesller has fought overall better competition. Not vastly better, maybe only slightly better, but better. To say Eubank is one of the best ever at 168 may be true, but misleading due to the brief existence of said division. Like I said all of theese fighters are good, just not championship level.
Show me where Kessler's competition are any better, every "proven" fighter he's defeated has also proven to be defeatable - multiple times. Siaca, Mundine, Beyer, Lucas - all had multiple defeats

The same EXACT thing can be said for Calzaghe and would be absolutley true. It can also be applied to many more of Calzaghes fighters in Title defenses.

Your analysis is utterly wrong because it's not an analysis, it's a comparison of resumes.
Websters Dictionary definition of the word analysis-the process as a method of studying the nature of something or of determining its essential features and their relationsThis is exactly what I have done, and therefore is an analysis. And once again I have backed up my argument with fact, something you have failed to do.
Comparisons that are so fucking stupid, I just don't care nor want to spend any more of my time rationalising them with you.

When did you rationalize anything you have said?

Andrade had been beating up on bums and was a mismatch for Kessler
Andrade was, and if you will notice still is, a very legimate contender and is still ranked by Ring magazine, Kessler just made it a mismatch.
Like I said, go away, kid.

this pisses me off more than anything else. I have presented a legimate argument and given my reasons. You have done neither and resort to juvenile tactics like talking condescendingly. So whos the kid? Go away Jerkoff

[Mrvooh]

They are both grade A fighters, and neither has lost. It's a shame someone has to

[Korn_06]

Never did I say I hold any of Kesslers opponents in high regard. I simply said I think Kesller has fought overall better competition. Not vastly better, maybe only slightly better, but better. To say Eubank is one of the best ever at 168 may be true, but misleading due to the brief existence of said division. Like I said all of theese fighters are good, just not championship level.


The same EXACT thing can be said for Calzaghe and would be absolutley true. It can also be applied to many more of Calzaghes fighters in Title defenses.


Websters Dictionary definition of the word analysis-the process as a method of studying the nature of something or of determining its essential features and their relationsThis is exactly what I have done, and therefore is an analysis. And once again I have backed up my argument with fact, something you have failed to do.


When did you rationalize anything you have said?


Andrade was, and if you will notice still is, a very legimate contender and is still ranked by Ring magazine, Kessler just made it a mismatch.


this pisses me off more than anything else. I have presented a legimate argument and given my reasons. You have done neither and resort to juvenile tactics like talking condescendingly. So whos the kid? Go away Jerkoff

Blocky will never talk any reason and he has the manners of a 8 year old spoiled kid. The good thing is that once Kessler proves us right then he will be gone for good. However since Blocky is his 4 or 5th alias here he probably already has a new alias to tale care of that situation.

Blocky's reasoning is that he is right just because he says so.

[Axe]

Let me just say before anyone reads this that i have no preference for either Calzaghe or Kessler. That being said I have spent some time in the past few days analyzing both fighters. This is an independent analysis that i have based on facts, not who my favorite is.

This being said I believe Mikkel Kessler is going to win a unanimous decision come November 3rd. While Calzaghe does have more wins, and is The Ring champ, therefore the legimate champ IMO, I believe Kessler has fought tougher overall competition. By now Calzaghe fans are probably fuming and thinking I have no idea what im talking about, but just look at the facts. Calzaghe has fought 11 opponents with a a sub-50% record, Kessler has fought 2. Also Calzaghes opponents in championship fights has been no where near championship level. It was my original purpose to list some of theese fighters, along with the 5 fights they had immediatley preceding Calzaghe. I opted not to do this but invite you to look for yourself at boxrec.com. Look at Calzaghes level of opposition, which is bad enough. Then look at Calzaghes opponents level of opposition. Kessler has not fought vastly better opposition, but I believe better opposition nonetheless. If anybody reading this disagrees I welcome all to make your point and if there is any reason and truth behind it I will be happy to debate the subject.

That's just nonsense I'm afraid.

But level of opposition won't have much to do with what we see on fight night anyway.

[Korn_06]

Ah go fuck ya self you Danish retard. I've posted countless 'rational' responses to idiocy like this in the form of analytical posts about style, why Kessler won't win, why Kessler is a shit style against Calzaghe but you're too fucking stupid to read them.

I have no time for ignorant idiotic little naive bitches like you.

So right there you prove my point:patsch :patsch

[emrose]

Ah go fuck ya self you Danish retard. I've posted countless 'rational' responses to idiocy like this in the form of analytical posts about style, why Kessler won't win, why Kessler is a shit style against Calzaghe but you're too fucking stupid to read them.

I have no time for ignorant idiotic little naive bitches like you.

i disagree taht kess has a shit style for calz , he has a good solid straight right is nible on his feet (some might disagree but watch the andrade fight) and has a solid defence and a good jab to me this is the style if any to beat calza, i cant see calaz getting away with coming in and throwing round house flurries over 12 rounds the way he did with lacy. although ithink it will b a tough competive fight i m leaning towards kessler. this is my unbiased opinion im not really a big fan of either ...

[DanePugilist]

Thank you for your analysis, Jaygatsby, and for taking your time to do it.

For once I will agree with Blocky(without the juvenile slander). The analysis itself, seem somewhat hollow, and does not really give us alot of clues, as to why you think Kessler will win.

Like Korn said, the level of competition that Kessler has faced has been dispatched very easily - with the exception of maybe Mundine.

I personally think that Calzaghes opposition is slightly better, but he has been in trouble at times, but its universally known that JC does his best, when getting top notch fights.

I hope I see deeper analysis on these two fighters, from you in the future, because I would enjoy it.

[DanePugilist]

They are both grade A fighters, and neither has lost. It's a shame someone has toWell, unless we will see a draw. Then again, that would call for an instant rematch.

[unclepaulie]

Thank you for your analysis, Jaygatsby, and for taking your time to do it.

For once I will agree with Blocky(without the juvenile slander). The analysis itself, seem somewhat hollow, and does not really give us alot of clues, as to why you think Kessler will win.

Like Korn said, the level of competition that Kessler has faced has been dispatched very easily - with the exception of maybe Mundine.


I personally think that Calzaghes opposition is slightly better, but he has been in trouble at times, but its universally known that JC does his best, when getting top notch fights.

I hope I see deeper analysis on these two fighters, from you in the future, because I would enjoy it

I know i was going to do this much more in depth with 5 fighters Calzaghe fought and the 5 fighters each of them fought in thier immediate fights before Calzaghe, and then do the same for Kessler. I started doing this and realized how much time it would take. But the overall point is that while Calzaghe has more title defenses, Kessler i believe has overall better competition in world title fights, and has also beat them more soundly. Next time ill take my time and be thorough so as not to attract difficult dickheads. Thanks for giving a sensible argument, you and Korn were the only ones.

[Amsterdam]

You have to at least find Blockhead's endless relentlessness on the subject to be amusing.:yep

[DanePugilist]

I know i was going to do this much more in depth with 5 fighters Calzaghe fought and the 5 fighters each of them fought in thier immediate fights before Calzaghe, and then do the same for Kessler. I started doing this and realized how much time it would take. But the overall point is that while Calzaghe has more title defenses, Kessler i believe has overall better competition in world title fights, and has also beat them more soundly. Next time ill take my time and be thorough so as not to attract difficult dickheads. Thanks for giving a sensible argument, you and Korn were the only ones.Yes, I think I must agree - Kesslers 5 World championship fights, are very impressive. Whereas Calzaghe's top fights are too far and in between, so overall I do agree with your initial analysis to some extent.

Kessler has shown that he is willing to take on all the top guys in the division, and already in his 6th he will fight the top dog. 50% of his WC fights revolves in removing belts from someone, and 66% of the remainder have been legitimate mandatories.

[Amsterdam]

Pssh, coming from you Sigfried and your current histrionics about Jermain Taylor, I find that amusing.

Want another Taylor thread? I can brew one up anytime mate.:D

[psychopath]

Want another Taylor thread? I can brew one up anytime mate.:D

Go ahead and make one. :lol:

The more you're gonna sink into your own shit :yep . . . just wanted to remind you how you talked shit anout Pavlik and how he's supposed to be knocked out by your other boy Miranda.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

:yep :good

[unclepaulie]

Originally posted by Blocky
Protip 1: Styles make fights
Wow how deep and insightful. No wonder they call you boxings last great analyzer
Protip 2: 22 championship fights vs 3-4 championship fights. Who do you think has more experience and stiffer competiton

The number of championship fights means nothing if the fighters are sub-par.
Case and point-Pongsaklek Wongjongkam had right around that many. It dosent take more than a set of eyes to know Calzaghe has more title defenses, my problem is with the quality of said defenders. In his 4 defenses Kessler has beat the CURRENT number 2 contender, and current number 5 and 6 contender and is now taking on the champ in his fifth, where was Calzaghe in his 5th defense? So who really has better track records in title fights?
Protip 3: Analysis doesn't mean analysing who they've beaten unless you're analysing the way they beat the person - i.e, their style.

My analysis is a reflection of the subject im analyzing is what analysis means. and if youll read back i actually already defined analysis, so Im gonna go with the dictionary on that one. But we can make this easy. Kessler has pretty much dominated whoever he faced, but you being such the expert you are i figured you didnt need a kid to tell you that.

[Amsterdam]

Go ahead and make one. :lol:

The more you're gonna sink into your own shit :yep . . . just wanted to remind you how you talked shit anout Pavlik and how he's supposed to be knocked out by your other boy Miranda.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

:yep :good

Don't get me wrong, I picked that one wrong, not having seen but the Zertuche fight with Pavlik.

But make no mistakes, Edison Miranda KTFO Jermain Taylor also.

[psychopath]

Don't get me wrong, I picked that one wrong, not having seen but the Zertuche fight with Pavlik.

But make no mistakes, Edison Miranda KTFO Jermain Taylor also.

Don't dragged me with your bullshit hatred apologism buddy. Let's talk about Miranda knocking out Taylor once the fight is made. :yep :D

[Amsterdam]

Don't dragged me with your bullshit hatred apologism buddy. Let's talk about Miranda knocking out Taylor once the fight is made. :yep :D

I doubt that they will put Taylor in with another hitter after Pavlik sparks him, he'll probably move up to 168 and then they'll find some feather fist former 154 pounder for him to win a UD over and then recieve a top 10 SMW ranking, then only to be KTFO by whatever decent SMW puncher and erasing his final avenue.

Realistically, I'm not that serious of a hater, just a realist who is tired of constant bullshit apologism. It should be noted that every pro-Taylor thread is full of 'excuses' for his run instead of merit marks, well, instead of the old 'he was competitive with Hopkins and Wright', but for the most part, it's used in an excusing manner, not a 'fuck yes' manner.

[psychopath]

I doubt that they will put Taylor in with another hitter after Pavlik sparks him, he'll probably move up to 168 and then they'll find some feather fist former 154 pounder for him to win a UD over and then recieve a top 10 SMW ranking, then only to be KTFO by whatever decent SMW puncher and erasing his final avenue.

Realistically, I'm not that serious of a hater, just a realist who is tired of constant bullshit apologism. It should be noted that every pro-Taylor thread is full of 'excuses' for his run instead of merit marks, well, instead of the old 'he was competitive with Hopkins and Wright', but for the most part, it's used in an excusing manner, not a 'fuck yes' manner.


Yeah you doubt . . . leave your doubt as doubt for the moment dude. :lol: There's no way to tell to which way Taylor's career is going at this point.

Stop posting your hallucinations. :yep

[Amsterdam]

Yeah you doubt . . . leave your doubt as doubt for the moment dude. :lol: There's no way to tell to which way Taylor's career is going at this point.

Stop posting your hallucinations. :yep

Ah, but I've posted my well studied opinions on the matter, just in eccentric format at times, which you cannot see through.

My prediction with Taylor-Pavlik is spot on. In fact, I believe I stated before Pavlik-Miranda that both would beat Jermain Taylor regardless of who wins and I still stand by that, as would Abraham KO Jermain Taylor.

But I am afraid I am dealing with someone who rated Margarito highly. You must have missed my hate train against that hype job also, it was extensive and lengthy, just without the fucking apologism.

[psychopath]

Ah, but I've posted my well studied opinions on the matter, just in eccentric format at times, which you cannot see through.

My prediction with Taylor-Pavlik is spot on. In fact, I believe I stated before Pavlik-Miranda that both would beat Jermain Taylor regardless of who wins and I still stand by that, as would Abraham KO Jermain Taylor.

But I am afraid I am dealing with someone who rated Margarito highly. You must have missed my hate train against that hype job also, it was extensive and lengthy, just without the fucking apologism.

Oh yes I'm still rating Margarito highly :D what's wrong with that? And did you ever heard or see me hype the guy then post any apology? :think

I'm simply picking a winner on every fight based on my analogy of how the fight will come out . . . no big deal. I won't lose sleep if these fighters loses. I'm not obssesed in HYPING or HATING any fighter unlike you buddy. :yep

[henrik]

Protip 1: Styles make fights
Protip 2: 22 championship fights vs 3-4 championship fights. Who do you think has more experience and stiffer competiton

Protip 3: Analysis doesn't mean analysing who they've beaten unless you're analysing the way they beat the person - i.e, their style.

Get that sorted before attempting something.

After showing ESB your well trained sixpack,i just can´t get you seriosly...
everybody talks about who JC have won over...and how he done it...
then let me tell you something:
he havent faced kessler,and one thing you can count on is:its no lazy,manfredo,reid,eubank or anybody else!!
He is facing mikkel kessler,with he´s skills,power and style....
if been watching joe c,in several fights,and i know mikkels hole career...
AND i think joe calzaghe will get a big surprise when he steps up in the ring against kessler.
I konw your fan of Joe C,and he has a great career,and i respekt that very much...but IMO this one J.C gonna loose very clear!!!:viking

[ThePlugInBabies]

with all due respect, eubank crushes everyone kessler has faced.

[Max Molyneux]

Calzaghe will counter and pressure Kessler onto the back foot with the faster hands, which will make Kessler mostly cover up and be backed onto the ropes and then Calzaghe overwhelms him like some Calzaghe victims.

As for this right hand malarkey, Kessler doesn't lead with the right hand to land It.

[jammerdk]

Calzaghe will counter and pressure Kessler onto the back foot with the faster hands, which will make Kessler mostly cover up and be backed onto the ropes and then Calzaghe overwhelms him like some Calzaghe victims.

As for this right hand malarkey, Kessler doesn't lead with the right hand to land It.

:patsch oohhh yeah Kessler will be presured by all the power coming from all those happy slaps :lol: Kessler isn't that easy to get on the backfoot, and on Nov. 4 Joe will realize this like everybody else.

[boxfan99]

:patsch oohhh yeah Kessler will be presured by all the power coming from all those happy slaps :lol: Kessler isn't that easy to get on the backfoot, and on Nov. 4 Joe will realize this like everybody else.

Some of us have realised it long ago.;)
I still can't believe people who think Calzaghe will stop Kessler. The only way that will happen is if the fat prick O'Connor is the ref.

[jammerdk]

Some of us have realised it long ago.;)
I still can't believe people who think Calzaghe will stop Kessler. The only way that will happen is if the fat prick O'Connor is the ref.

:good

[AllyT]

This is an independent analysis that i have based on facts, not who my favorite is.

For Fact(S) sake -

1. You have based your argument on only one 'fact' that Kessler has fought better opposition. This is merely your subjective opinion and does not become fact because you deem it so.

2. In any case, since both fighters are undefeated it means nothing. There is no measure of respective performance here and therefore no fact.

3. Even if we were to accept your 'fact' as Blocky points out above this takes no account of style.

4. Self proclaimed independence is meaningless at best, and warning sign at worst. It is I think similar to that age old liars war cry, the unsolicited promise. My granny always said never to believe anyone who begins a speech with anything that remotely sounds like "Trust me".

You are of course every bit entitled to this view but it is based on opinion and not fact.

[Strike]

Eubank was "not championship level"...:lol::lol::lol::patsch:patsch:patsch

[achillesthegreat]

Unfortunately the post is garbage and is based on stats. It does not reflect the ability of both fighters nor does it accurately assess their opposition.

[HolgerD]

Calzaghe will counter and pressure Kessler onto the back foot with the faster hands, which will make Kessler mostly cover up and be backed onto the ropes and then Calzaghe overwhelms him like some Calzaghe victims.

As for this right hand malarkey, Kessler doesn't lead with the right hand to land It.


I think your analysis could be valid Max. Not based on JCs power in the punches though but on the load. If JC can keep up a massive number of punches to render MK confused or "clueless" your picture might be it. However not getting an early knock-out I believe JC will tire too early from such tactics and eventually be knocked out himself. I think it is an absolute necessicity for JC to win that he keeps up an insane number of punches simply to keep MK busy on the defense. Oppositely, for a fight with relatively few punches (hard to believe this'll happen) I see MK as winner based on his IMHO advantage in power and accuracy. No matter how "drunk" or one-sided a judge might be (except for perhaps judges in Germany) they can't mistake a JC slap from a straight MK jab or right hand.

[Max Molyneux]

:patsch oohhh yeah Kessler will be presured by all the power coming from all those happy slaps :lol: Kessler isn't that easy to get on the backfoot, and on Nov. 4 Joe will realize this like everybody else.

I didn't mention power.

He overwhelms them with punches and thats how he gets the stoppages.

I believe JC will tire too early from such tactics and eventually be knocked out himself.

Nah, Joe's conditioning and stamina Is good enough to keep It up.

Joe's skills are decent too so he could outjab Kessler and his southpaw jab can make Kessler uncomfortable too.

[ThePlugInBabies]

kessler will not ko calzaghe, his power is being way overstated on this forum. it's decent but not that impressive.

[duran83]

With the exception of Lacy, who i give full credit to Joe for udderly dominating, I dont hold any of theese fighters in high regard and fail to see why you would.

Prime or not with the exception of Omar Shieka, all theese fighters are simply good. not champion level, but good.


If you would please take time out of your im sure very busy schedule, maybe you could read where i say i based this analysis on facts, not intangibles. I have more than a month left to compare theese factors and will.



What i have done is an analysis, in this case based on records, fighters beat, how said fighters were beat and how badly. And if Resume comparison isnt one of if the most important factors leading into a fight where there is honestly no way we can be sure of the outcome, I dont know what is. and please tell me how i did this horridly, as i fail to see. Not to mention you didnt present one fact or argument as to WHY im wrong. Instead you did what anyone can do and just told me im wrong. Next time please present an educated responese as to why you think Calzaghe will win, dont just tell me im wrong.

Seriously you need to go back to 168 fighters school, you havent learnt much while you were there really have you?

[PH|LLA]

how many fights of Calzaghe or Kessler have you seen to base this analysis?

[cableguy]

When its all said and done i think Calzaghe's workrate will earn him a wide UD (maybe even stop him late).
Will be a close fight for first 5-6 rounds then Kessler starts to tire and Calzaghe will find another gear in that freakish conditioning of his.

[youthmann]

Wow how deep and insightful. No wonder they call you boxings last great analyzer


The number of championship fights means nothing if the fighters are sub-par.
Case and point-Pongsaklek Wongjongkam had right around that many. It dosent take more than a set of eyes to know Calzaghe has more title defenses, my problem is with the quality of said defenders. In his 4 defenses Kessler has beat the CURRENT number 2 contender, and current number 5 and 6 contender and is now taking on the champ in his fifth, where was Calzaghe in his 5th defense? So who really has better track records in title fights?


My analysis is a reflection of the subject im analyzing is what analysis means. and if youll read back i actually already defined analysis, so Im gonna go with the dictionary on that one. But we can make this easy. Kessler has pretty much dominated whoever he faced, but you being such the expert you are i figured you didnt need a kid to tell you that.

Hey Jay, don´t spend your day discussing with block'head - sometimes he can't help it, you know what happens when people forget to eat their anti depression pills.... Just look a block'head.

By the way - keep up the good work..:thumbsup

[unclepaulie]

[quote=Blocky]I still maintain Calzaghe has the stronger punch - Kessler just maintains an average power level higher than Calzaghe's


yeah, calzaghe has the strongest slap this side of iceberg slim...

[unclepaulie]

the same slap that couldnt ko lacy, salem or eubank?

yeah, that one. can calzaghe finish anyone? or does the ref or corner have to do it for him?

[jammerdk]

I didn't mention power.

He overwhelms them with punches and thats how he gets the stoppages.



Nah, Joe's conditioning and stamina Is good enough to keep It up.

Joe's skills are decent too so he could outjab Kessler and his southpaw jab can make Kessler uncomfortable too.

Might be, but I actually do not think Kessler will back down by all joe's slaps....believe me he's not Manfredo :-( (he will fight back and will not just stand there being hit)

And that in my oppion will be the key to the downfall for Joe :bbb and the fact that Joe's should have a bag of ice in his glowes with his tendency for broken hands.

But I am hoping/think that he will bring out the best in my man Kessler :thumbsup

[HolgerD]

When its all said and done i think Calzaghe's workrate will earn him a wide UD (maybe even stop him late).
Will be a close fight for first 5-6 rounds then Kessler starts to tire and Calzaghe will find another gear in that freakish conditioning of his.



Yes...could be. I just think that for this to work for JC he'll have
to avoid any big punches from MK. I mean there is nothing that
takes the sting out of a high workrate as heavy blows. MK is IMO good at handing out heavy blows with both his left and right hand. F. ex., imagine MK succeeding with his hard left jabs. That'll make JC more reluctant to go forward in a rage against the machine (read MK).
As for MK tiring before JC, I think it depends on who gets the best quality hit rate, however, JC is still 7 years older than MK "freakish conditioning or not". Age could be a factor, although I really don't think MK has ever been tested to the max. in that respect. MK could of course be in for a surprise if he doesn't succeed in landing any heavy ones as the fight progresses. On the other hand JC seems quite open.;)

[HolgerD]

[quote=Blocky]I still maintain Calzaghe has the stronger punch - Kessler just maintains an average power level higher than Calzaghe's



Based on what? In all respect I'd like you to give us a few specific examples demonstrating this.

[jammerdk]

Based on what? In all respect I'd like you to give us a few specific examples demonstrating this.

:patsch guess you are new here ........Blocky is the Oracle of boxing and everything he states is the truth. :nut I'll give you one good advice ignore the poor thing, you'll find his answers a waste of time!!

[Clearly Cool]

I'll tell you what strengthened my belief that Kessler will win. His recent interview in wales, he stated exactly what he needed to do and what other Calzaghe opponents did wrong.

Basically, he said he has to keep moving and not let calzaghe flurry. And to lay the combos back on Calzaghe. Sort of obvious, but nearly all the fights ive seen calzaghes opponents do the wrong thing.

Usually the opponent either covers up and stands his ground, or tries to punch with calzaghe. If they cover, they get bombed and eventually weared down or stopped. If they punch with him, they get beaten with better accuracy and speed.

Kessler moves well, I think he has underrated footwork and defense. This will be the key. Hes so calculated and controled I just can't see him leaving big openings and getting sloppy for Calzaghes style to work.

Then again I havent seen Calzaghe "box". So if he is a good "boxer" my prediction is out the window. By the way, has calzaghe ever faced a good stick and move type boxer.

[jammerdk]

I'll tell you what strengthened my belief that Kessler will win. His recent interview in wales, he stated exactly what he needed to do and what other Calzaghe opponents did wrong.

Basically, he said he has to keep moving and not let calzaghe flurry. And to lay the combos back on Calzaghe. Sort of obvious, but nearly all the fights ive seen calzaghes opponents do the wrong thing.

Usually the opponent either covers up and stands his ground, or tries to punch with calzaghe. If they cover, they get bombed and eventually weared down or stopped. If they punch with him, they get beaten with better accuracy and speed.

Kessler moves well, I think he has underrated footwork and defense. This will be the key. Hes so calculated and controled I just can't see him leaving big openings and getting sloppy for Calzaghes style to work.

Then again I havent seen Calzaghe "box". So if he is a good "boxer" my prediction is out the window. By the way, has calzaghe ever faced a good stick and move type boxer.

Pretty close to my prediction how the this fight will progress.

But I actually think that Mikkel's fast/hard hitting enough to keep Joe from throwing those Happy slaps as often as he's used to. Only thing that could be a major factor is if Mikkel is having a bad "south paw" day but I still don't see that coming.

[Orang-Utan Jim]

On November 3rd Kessler will show a boxing masterpiece and win a clinical UD (about 8-4,9-3) or maybe stop Calzaghe late. Calzaghe has never ever faced that quality opposition Kessler is. Calzaghe is taylormade for Kessler. The Dane is one of the most sounded, clinical boxers in the Middleweights, with a worldclass Ring Generalship and clinical accuracy and real KO power in both hands. Calzaghe wins fights, but this will be a boxing match and no fight.

[DanePugilist]

On November 3rd Kessler will show a boxing masterpiece and win a clinical UD (about 8-4,9-3) or maybe stop Calzaghe late. Calzaghe has never ever faced that quality opposition Kessler is. Calzaghe is taylormade for Kessler. The Dane is one of the most sounded, clinical boxers in the Middleweights, with a worldclass Ring Generalship and clinical accuracy and real KO power in both hands. Calzaghe wins fights, but this will be a boxing match and no fight.Good post...

[ThePlugInBabies]

On November 3rd Kessler will show a boxing masterpiece and win a clinical UD (about 8-4,9-3) or maybe stop Calzaghe late. Calzaghe has never ever faced that quality opposition Kessler is. Calzaghe is taylormade for Kessler. The Dane is one of the most sounded, clinical boxers in the Middleweights, with a worldclass Ring Generalship and clinical accuracy and real KO power in both hands. Calzaghe wins fights, but this will be a boxing match and no fight.

:-( utter bullshit. he does have good accuracy but he's no monster puncher.

oh and the 'calzaghe has never met anyone as good as kessler' line is cancelled out by the 'kessler has never met anyone as good as calzaghe' line. although eubank v kessler.........:think

[PowerPuncher]

Jaygatsby your clearly new to boxing, which is fine. Firstly Calazages best wins far far exceed Kesslers. Calazage has beaten many belt holders and an ATG in Eubank. Kesslers beaten good top 10 opponents but there not quite as good as Calazages

You haven't made a fight analysis, you've done a resume analysis, that doesn't actually analyse anything other than stats and you haven't that very well if you think Kessler has beaten better opponents. Fights are not based on stats, they're based on ability and applying that ability.

Kessler may win this 1 and both have the style to give the other problems.

[Max Molyneux]

Might be, but I actually do not think Kessler will back down by all joe's slaps....believe me he's not Manfredo :-( (he will fight back and will not just stand there being hit)

And that in my oppion will be the key to the downfall for Joe :bbb and the fact that Joe's should have a bag of ice in his glowes with his tendency for broken hands.

But I am hoping/think that he will bring out the best in my man Kessler :thumbsup

He'll put on the backfoot by Calzaghe and Kessler Is weak on the backfoot and he'll mostly just try to cover up.

[DanePugilist]

:-( utter bullshit. he does have good accuracy but he's no monster puncher.

oh and the 'calzaghe has never met anyone as good as kessler' line is cancelled out by the 'kessler has never met anyone as good as calzaghe' line. although eubank v kessler.........:thinkHe didn't say monster puncher, but KO power, and that is correct, when fuged with his accuracy - and that would be the correct way to access it, not by isolating one aspect.

[DanePugilist]

He'll put on the backfoot by Calzaghe and Kessler Is weak on the backfoot and he'll mostly just try to cover up.Where have you seen this? He was on the backfoot most of the time vs Andrade...

[Max Molyneux]

They have to keep It up when he's on the backfoot though, Andrade and Beyer were not capable of that. Plus they don't have Joe's conditioning and hand speed.

[jammerdk]

He'll put on the backfoot by Calzaghe and Kessler Is weak on the backfoot and he'll mostly just try to cover up.

Hhhmmm sounds like you better go watch some more Kessler fights :huh

Kessler will not lure himself into a sitaution where he have to cover up.......but hey if that's what Joe's counting on then I'm certain of Mikkel winning this one :bbb

[DanePugilist]

They have to keep It up when he's on the backfoot though, Andrade and Beyer were not capable of that. Plus they don't have Joe's conditioning and hand speed.You have spotted a weakness that hasn't been tested - or even verified it even exists.

[Orang-Utan Jim]

I´ve seen almost all Calzaghe and Kessler fights and I am quite sure, that Kessler will be Calzaghe´s nemesis. JC style will not work vs. Kessler.

[Clearly Cool]

I´ve seen almost all Calzaghe and Kessler fights and I am quite sure, that Kessler will be Calzaghe´s nemesis. JC style will not work vs. Kessler.

What are Kesslers earlier fights like?

[China_hand_Joe]

What are Kesslers earlier fights like?

He used to be more fleet-footed and less robotic.

[HolgerD]

I came to think of the fact that in a sport like
tennis its a great advantage, when playing against
left-handers (southpaws), to have been brought up against them.
I think Kessler in his early carreer sparred quite
a lot against the southpaw Mads Larsen(?), a world class
fighter at the time. So I guess I'm throwing the question
out for people to answer whether this translates into a
substantial advantage for Kessler?

[ThePlugInBabies]

if you're asking whether simply sparring with a southpaw will improve your chances then probably not. jeff lacy sparred an awful lot with winky wright prior to his fight with calzaghe, didn't seem to help him much.

[HolgerD]

if you're asking whether simply sparring with a southpaw will improve your chances then probably not. jeff lacy sparred an awful lot with winky wright prior to his fight with calzaghe, didn't seem to help him much.



More having trained against them early on. I remember from playing
tennis some years ago that the guys who had trained against left-handers in their teenage and younger years almost had a knack for playing the balls in difficult places for the left-handers. To me it seemed as if they almost had it hard-wired into their game. So I was wondering if something similar could translate into boxing in some ways and potentially give Kessler an advantage. Could it be that Kessler is a natural "southpaw killer"?

Also:
Are there any previous examples in boxing of southpaw killers?

[van the man]

It's funny, the only people supporting this kids view all come from Denmark.

its funny, the only one supporting your disrespectfull behavior is yourself blocky!

[cableguy]

When its all said and done i think Calzaghe's workrate will earn him a wide UD (maybe even stop him late).
Will be a close fight for first 5-6 rounds then Kessler starts to tire and Calzaghe will find another gear in that freakish conditioning of his.

Not bad....if i do say so myself!

[oztriker]

Not bad....if i do say so myself!

I have to agree....:good

The silence is deafening :D

[Southy]

I have to agree....:good

The silence is deafening :D
INIT JUST ?:yep

[Smazz20]

I have to agree....:good

The silence is deafening :D


I do believe it has:D