The greatest performance you have ever seen?

[Robbi]

It's rare for me starting a thread, so its about time I started one.

The question I ask everyone.

The most impressive performance you have ever seen from a fighter in boxing history?.

It doesn't need to be a fighter in his prime, and a popular choice that mostly everyone generally considers to be his best performance. You could weigh everything up, including the performance of the fighter you select combined with his age at the time.

Example 1. The fighter you pick well be in his mid 30's at the time and years past his prime, and was also not in his prime weight, but he got the win over a younger opponent. Lets say Foreman's win over Moorer, or Duran's winning his last world title against Barkley.

Example 2. It could well be the other way around, a younger fighter easily knocking out a fighter past his prime in devastating fashion. Hearns knocking out Duran?.

You know what I mean guys. Just take everything into consideration.

I want one fight from each poster. Even do a top 5 or 10. But lets have one that each poster considers "The greatest performance they have ever seen".

[Mike T]

For me it's either Tyson vs Spinks or Hearns vs Duran. I don't think Duran or Spinks had any chance those nights.

[Maxmomer]

Dempsey vs Willard. Followed by Schmeling vs Louis I

[Robbi]

Hopkins v Trinidad

[ironchamp]

Joe Louis vs. Max Baer - for me it has to be one of the best performances that Louis has ever done. If I were to sell Joe Louis that is the performance I'd use as a demo.

Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix 'tito' Trinidad - BHop was in a zone.

Mike Tyson vs. Donovan "Razor" Ruddock - Tyson was up against a fighter with a good chin and a very big punch. Round 6 Razor catches Mike with "The Smash" and follows up with a couple of big shots. Tyson after taking those heavy blows smiles and taps his chin asking for more. He subsequently stops him the very next round.

Joe Frazier vs. Bob Foster - nobody is unbeatable, but if 20 years from now you were trying to make a case that Joe Frazier was unbeatable to a novice boxing fan, this is the video that I'd show him. Quarry II would also be a good choice he was without blemish in this fight.

[box03]

Holyfield vs Bowe 1, that really showed Holyfields heart in all its glory. Sadly enough that was the last time we seen Bowe in his prime, wieght issues and problems with his wife took alot of prime away from Bowe. Its rare now adays to see 2 undefeated fighters who are both great fighters in there prime go at it, I guess that only happens once in a blue moon.

[cannabis]

leonard over hagler
norton over ali
foreman over frazier
foreman over lyle
duran over leonard
corrales over castillo

[C. M. Clay II]

Ali-Williams. Next.:bbb

[My dinner with Conteh]

Ali-Williams. Next.:bbb


Can't you just surprise people for once?

[divac]

A 40-1 longshot winning just about every second of every round and doing it in dominating fashion against what alot of people were already thinking was the best fighter ever on the planet.

I'm of the opinion that Douglas had the perfect height, reach, weight and style to dominate Tyson everytime.

People like to say that Tyson was'nt in shape or motivated, but I've been a fan long enough to know that a fighter does'nt dominate another like that unless he's got his number.

A truly great performance from James "Buster" Douglas.
The knockdown Douglas suffered in the 8th is the only thing that keeps it from probably being the most perfect performance in boxing history!

[Holmes' Jab]

Louis vs Schmeling II
Tyson vs Berbick
Ali vs Foreman
Frazier vs Ali I
Whitaker vs Chavez (robbery!)
Liston vs Williams
Lewis vs Golota
Holyfield vs Tyson I
Leonard vs Benitez

[heerko koois]

Honeyghan- Curry , Douglas- Tyson , Chavez- Rosario........

[TBooze]

A 40-1 longshot winning just about every second of every round and doing it in dominating fashion

Do not get me wrong unlike one judge I had Douglas ahead going into the tenth and he was winning comfortable, but he did not dominate the fight like you suggest, but that also adds to the greatness of the win IMO.

My answer would be Chavez/Rosario, the best one sided fight you could ever see. Second would be Duran/Palomino, boxings greatest living fighter putting together his finest performance.

[NickHudson]

In first place:

Duran Leonard I (quality of opponent i.e P4P great in prime, plus jump in weight class)

Not in any order, and in agreement with some of the earlier posters:

Hearns Cuevas (silky smooth and utterly devastating)
Hearns Duran (see above)
Ali Williams (work of art, quantity of unanswered punches landed)
Douglas Tyson (quality of opponent, seeing a gameplan through beautifully)
Frazier Ali I (dogged determination, perhaps the only man capable of taking away Ali's unbeaten record)
Duran DeJesus II (recovery from early knockdown, quality of opponent, speed, skill and endurance)
SRL Hearns I (quality of opponent, display of genuine substance as well as style)

[pryorgatti]

Tyson vs Spinks
Whitaker vs Ramirez II
Ali vs Williams

[mcvey]

It's rare for me starting a thread, so its about time I started one.

The question I ask everyone.

The most impressive performance you have ever seen from a fighter in boxing history?.

It doesn't need to be a fighter in his prime, and a popular choice that mostly everyone generally considers to be his best performance. You could weigh everything up, including the performance of the fighter you select combined with his age at the time.

Example 1. The fighter you pick well be in his mid 30's at the time and years past his prime, and was also not in his prime weight, but he got the win over a younger opponent. Lets say Foreman's win over Moorer, or Duran's winning his last world title against Barkley.

Example 2. It could well be the other way around, a younger fighter easily knocking out a fighter past his prime in devastating fashion. Hearns knocking out Duran?.

You know what I mean guys. Just take everything into consideration.

I want one fight from each poster. Even do a top 5 or 10. But lets have one that each poster considers "The greatest performance they have ever seen".
Louis v Max Baer
Louis v Schmeling2
Robinson v Lamotta,[valentines day]
Ali v Williams
Dempsey v Willard
Hagler v Hearns
Pepv Saddler2
Frazier v Ali 1
Foreman v Frazier1
Hearns v Duran
Hearns v Cuevas
Gomez v Zarate
Olivares v Rose
Buchanan v Paduano
Pryor v Arguello1
Barrera v Hamed
Marciano v Walcott1
B Foster v Quarry
Ive left out a couple because of their unfortuanate finishes,eg Griffith Paret,Benn McCllellan.
.

[Nemesis]

Why is everyone naming fights they never watched live? :huh as they already knew the result like Dempsey-Willard I.

The greatest performance i have seen live at the time was coming home from a night out at 2am and watching the unfancied Joe Calzaghe dismantle Jeff Lacy, in every possible way.

In fairness i was a bit pissed.

[mcvey]

Why is everyone naming fights they never watched live? :huh as they already knew the result like Dempsey-Willard I.

The greatest performance i have seen live at the time was coming home from a night out at 2am and watching the unfancied Joe Calzaghe dismantle Jeff Lacy, in every possible way.

In fairness i was a bit pissed.
The thread says the most impressive performance by a fighter in boxing history,not fights you have watched live,or even when a bit pissed,so presumably thats why we have chosen accordingly!

[ChrisPontius]

Joe Frazier vs Bob Foster. He looked like an unstoppable knockout machine.

[Holmes' Jab]

Joe Frazier vs Bob Foster. He looked like an unstoppable knockout machine.

Nice choice. :yep

[ron u.k.]

barrera v hamed
hagler v sibson

[Holmes' Jab]

barrera v hamed

Yep. It was a schooling par excellance- one which I enjoyed a great deal. :good

[achillesthegreat]

Douglas beating Tyson and Ali beating Foreman are the two that sprung to mind. Mostly because EVERYONE picked against them.

[redrooster]

Hagler-Lee
Hagler-Hamsho
Hagler-Obel 2
Hagler-Sibson
Hagler-Scypion
Hagler-Hamsho 2
Hagler-Hearns
and
Norris-Leonard

for starters

[McGrain]

Ali-Williams.

I don't think anyone would dispute that Ali looked amazing that night. However, and I say this with all due love and respect to peak Williams, a pretty dangerous fighter, Ali probably wouldn't have looked that different against a rank amatuer. Williams was very much a victim.


Next.:bbb

So why rate that performance above Ali's performance in Manilla? In that fight he reaches all the way down. I guess we have different criteria, but I would rate this performance way above the Williams one. In fact, I'd rate Frazier's losing performance in that fight above Williams, and certainly his winning one in one.

Probably my own single favourite performance would be Sugar Ray Robinson v LaMotta.

[Drew101]

Hagler-Lee
Hagler-Hamsho
Hagler-Obel 2
Hagler-Sibson
Hagler-Scypion
Hagler-Hamsho 2
Hagler-Hearns
and
Norris-Leonard

for starters

Leonard-Benitez
Leonard-Ranzany
Leonard-Green
Leonard-Price
Leonard-Gonzalez

etc...


:D


Ok, seriously...

Good call on both the Hagler-Hamsho fights. Marvin looked absolutely awesome, against an iron-chinned, high-quality contender. I'd throw in the first Obel fight as well..since it was a truly dominant performance.

Some more...

Pedroza-Ford
Sanchez-Gomez
Duran-Dejesus III
Hopkins-Trinidad
Lopez-Potelo
Mayweather-Corrales
Whitaker-Ramirez II




And, the aforementioned Leonard fights.:good

[AREA 53]

I think Frankie Randell Against Chavez Deserves a Mention
(Beautiful Tatics by Frankie to cause the big upset)

Also Young Benitez against Cervantes was a wonderful performance

Duran upsetting Leonard was a great performance

Buchanan Beating Laguna (2nd) in Madison Square Garden
(was Classy and Gritty)

Pryor Vs Arguello 1st was an epic unfolding

I am sure others will come to mind.

[PhillyPhan69]

There are so many...ask me in a week and it may be different!

1 Pryor Arguello I
2 Frazier Ali I
3 Ali Foreman
4 Duran leonard I
5 B-Hop trinidad

Honorable mention
Willie "The Worm" Monroe vs Hagler

[Minotauro]

1. Moore vs Durelle 1 & Ray Robinson vs Bobo Olsen 3
2. Chavez vs Rosario, Patterson vs Moore & Ezzard Charles vs Rex Layne 1

[My dinner with Conteh]

Honorable mention
Willie "The Worm" Monroe vs Hagler


You saw this fight? I'm very impressed. Eternal kudos heading your way.:cool:

[Robbi]

Mayweather's 10th round TKO over Corrales is without question one of the best performances I have ever witnessed, considering it was a geniune pick'em fight before the first bell rang.

Mayweather made Corrales look like he was stuck in mud for the entire fight. And its still his signature win in my opinion. He dropped Corrales five times, and basically gave him a serious clinic in boxing.

Not too sure Pep or Whitaker could have done much better than Mayweather that night.

[MIK1000]

Joe louis vs Max Baer - sharp shooting combinations, amazing to watch.

Floyd Mayweather vs Corralles - boxing masterclass.

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Wilfred Benetez

Bernard Hopkins vs Tito Trinidad

[Stonehands89]

Foreman-Moorer.

Perhaps I am melodramatic but that fight was the greatest performance in sports that I ever saw.

The details get me every time:

-20 years after losing the title in Zaire
-He wore the same blue/red shorts
-Angelo Dundee in the corner
-Foreman lost damn near every round
-one shot did it
-Moorer was close to prime, undefeated, and a dangerous southpaw.

-After the count out, the way Foreman got down on his knees amid the chaos and looked up at the skylights -with his one good eye.

[C. M. Clay II]

Can't you just surprise people for once?

No. Next.:bbb

[Nemesis]

Foreman-Moorer.

Perhaps I am melodramatic but that fight was the greatest performance in sports that I ever saw.

The details get me every time:

-20 years after losing the title in Zaire
-He wore the same blue/red shorts
-Angelo Dundee in the corner
-Foreman lost damn near every round
-one shot did it
-Moorer was close to prime, undefeated, and a dangerous southpaw.

-After the count out, the way Foreman got down on his knees amid the chaos and looked up at the skylights -with his one good eye.

just one sidenote, it was two shots, the first one completely stunned Moorer (which he admits), leaving nothing in his legs, and the second finished the job

[Robbi]

Foreman-Moorer.

Perhaps I am melodramatic but that fight was the greatest performance in sports that I ever saw.

The details get me every time:

-20 years after losing the title in Zaire
-He wore the same blue/red shorts
-Angelo Dundee in the corner
-Foreman lost damn near every round
-one shot did it
-Moorer was close to prime, undefeated, and a dangerous southpaw.

-After the count out, the way Foreman got down on his knees amid the chaos and looked up at the skylights -with his one good eye.


I can agree with you having it as the greatest win in sports, but to have it as your greatest "performance" is beyond a joke.

[Blacc Jesus]

Frazier-Foster
Frazier-Ali I
Frazier-Ali III
Ali-Foreman
Foreman-Frazier I
Pryor-Arguello I
Douglas-Tyson
Tyson-Spinks
Hearns-Hagler
SRL-Hagler
SRL-Hearns

[hitman_hatton1]

calzaghe-lacy.

just brilliant from joe.

totally thrashed the guy.

floyd-corrales up there as well.

[Mike T]

Recently, Mayweather vs Gatti.

[Nemesis]

Recently, Mayweather vs Gatti.
go home

[Stonehands89]

just one sidenote, it was two shots, the first one completely stunned Moorer (which he admits), leaving nothing in his legs, and the second finished the job

What Foreman did was throw two 1-2 combinations with a couple of breaths in between. The 2 in the first combination stunned him. Moorer took a moment to try to clear the cobwebs and jumped a bit in place, put his hands back up and then George pierced through the guard with a 1 and then that 2 which landed square on the chin.

I consider it a one shot KO but see that it may debatable.

[Stonehands89]

I can agree with you having it as the greatest win in sports, but to have it as your greatest "performance" is beyond a joke.

Well, the joke's on you. And you should take care with whom you provoke.

It is beyond ludicrous to expect a 45 year old Reverend to give us a boxing clinic supplemented with speed and a dancer's grace. You seem to have a rigid understanding of "performance". This is Foreman we're talking about here. Considering his well-known and well-documented limitations as a boxer, as well as his age, that performance was grand. It was a performance not based on speed and skill like a 30 year old Leonard or a 42 year old Hopkins, but based in the end, on a relentless will. Foreman had three things going for him -strength, power, and will. Technically, he was never much. He sent telegrams before every shot he was so slow. He had to conserve a relatively small tank to last the distance. His aging skin bled and swelled easily. His defense was porous. Given these myriad detriments and his few and fading strengths, how can you not recognize how great that performance was?

[Danny Williams vs. Mark Potter was another great performance not only because of the desperation of the moment but because of the limitation of Williams -his right arm fell out of his shoulder and was totally useless! It was a great performance precisely because of his limitation.]

In fact, I will add that Foreman's performance only reached its climax that night when he reclaimed his old title. It began in 1987.

How? Foreman conned everyone into thinking that he was a happy-go lucky fat ex-champ who just wanted his cake and a good paycheck too. Underneath that facade was a man hellbent on avenging his life's greatest regret and humiliation... that being Zaire. Why do you think he wore those dingy twenty-year old trunks that he wore against Ali when he stepped into the ring against Moorer? Why do you think he kept them??

Foreman was a nasty buzzard. That menace you saw in the early 70s never really went away -it went underground... and it came out in the ring. I'd wager that you too thought he really did eat cheeseburgers during training.

Foreman was a master manipulator. It was subtle and psychological but it was pure domination of Moorer at the press conferences (Atlas saw this and reported it in his book. And he admits that Foreman won that chess game against him, meaning Atlas). It didn't stop there... Foreman bluffed and buffetted Moorer all night into moving precisely in line with his right cross.

It was a great performance at many levels.

[Luigi1985]

I have to agree with Stonehands89, I mean, even the prime Foreman struggled against the likes of Peralta, Lyle, Young, etc. because of his technical flaws, so how could he make it in his comeback better? Sure, we can say that it was only a lucky punch, but that´s boxing, one punch can turn the whole fight, it doesn´t interest how the fight was before that shot, especially at HW. IMO because of his chin, power and iron will to be the champ again, deserves a "nomination" here...

[Luigi1985]

Seriously, just because he made a long post about it doesn't mean it should be agreed with. Come on, Foreman/Moorer the greatest performance in sport's history? Seriously, you can't justify it.

A gutsy performance and win, but based on one big shot when he was getting outboxed prior, and not neccessarily against a great fighter. Cool story, but come on.


I didn´t say it was actually the greatest performance ever. I said that a nomination is OK. Ali- Williams for example isn´t surely the greatest performance ever, because Ali at his absolute best against an overrated, shaky and former contender who was almost shot to death doesn´t count for me personally. Don´t forget Moorer was a very strong, unbeaten southpaw with good power, good skills, stamina, top trainer, always in shape, etc., nobody gave Foreman a chance...

[Robbi]

Well, the joke's on you. And you should take care with whom you provoke.

It is beyond ludicrous to expect a 45 year old Reverend to give us a boxing clinic supplemented with speed and a dancer's grace. You seem to have a rigid understanding of "performance". This is Foreman we're talking about here. Considering his well-known and well-documented limitations as a boxer, as well as his age, that performance was grand. It was a performance not based on speed and skill like a 30 year old Leonard or a 42 year old Hopkins, but based in the end, on a relentless will. Foreman had three things going for him -strength, power, and will. Technically, he was never much. He sent telegrams before every shot he was so slow. He had to conserve a relatively small tank to last the distance. His aging skin bled and swelled easily. His defense was porous. Given these myriad detriments and his few and fading strengths, how can you not recognize how great that performance was?

[Danny Williams vs. Mark Potter was another great performance not only because of the desperation of the moment but because of the limitation of Williams -his right arm fell out of his shoulder and was totally useless! It was a great performance precisely because of his limitation.]

In fact, I will add that Foreman's performance only reached its climax that night when he reclaimed his old title. It began in 1987.

How? Foreman conned everyone into thinking that he was a happy-go lucky fat ex-champ who just wanted his cake and a good paycheck too. Underneath that facade was a man hellbent on avenging his life's greatest regret and humiliation... that being Zaire. Why do you think he wore those dingy twenty-year old trunks that he wore against Ali when he stepped into the ring against Moorer? Why do you think he kept them??

Foreman was a nasty buzzard. That menace you saw in the early 70s never really went away -it went underground... and it came out in the ring. I'd wager that you too thought he really did eat cheeseburgers during training.

Foreman was a master manipulator. It was subtle and psychological but it was pure domination of Moorer at the press conferences (Atlas saw this and reported it in his book. And he admits that Foreman won that chess game against him, meaning Atlas). It didn't stop there... Foreman bluffed and buffetted Moorer all night into moving precisely in line with his right cross.

It was a great performance at many levels.

Stonehands. I was very eager to see what you would come back with. I suppose it just depends on what someone likes under the "performance" criteria.

When I opened the thread and set a two examples, I did give an instance of an older fighter being well past his prime and beating a much younger opponent. Infact, Foreman v Moorer was one of the examples I mentioned.

However, I never thought anyone would see at as "the greatest performance they had ever seen". It was a mere thrown in fight I happened to mention. A fighter could well get thrashed over the majority of a fight, dropped five times, yet come back with one punch and pull it out. Many people might well see that as a great performance, I would consider it a great win. Fighters are not at the top of their game and performing well when they are being dominated and dropped on numerous occassions.

I would not tag Foreman's victory over Moorer under "great performance" myself, I'd say great win. Lets be honest Foreman hardly performed well against Moorer, and he wasn't expected to either. I suppose its a matter of opinion.

All I did was disagree with you, and it's hardly provoking. However, because I disagreed with you, you took it as being provoked. No hard feelings at all.

[buzzsaw]

Ali-Frazier I (1971)
Frazier-Foreman I (1973)
Ali-Foreman (1974)
Foreman-Lyle (1976)
Leonard-Benitez (1979)
Lopez-Ayala
Leonard-Duran I (1980)
Sanchez-Lopez
Leonard-Hearns I (1981)
Antuofermo-Hagler
Sanchez-Gomez
Arguello-Mancini
Pryor-Arguello I (1982)
Gomez-Pintor
Benitez-Duran
Chacon-Boza Edwards II (1983)
Hagler-Hearns (1985)
Douglas-Tyson (1990)
Chavez-Taylor
Leonard-Hagler (1987)
Foreman-Moorer (1994)

[buzzsaw]

Opps...but "Robbi" for all of us over 40 it WAS a Great Performance!! LOL!

[Robbi]

Opps...but "Robbi" for all of us over 40 it WAS a Great Performance!! LOL!

A great win, a bad performance. Foreman hardly won a round, and I'm afraid fighters are not "performing" well when they are getting outboxed and dominated for the vast majority of a fight. Foreman was never going to smash Moorer like he could have done 20 years earlier, certainly not in a similar fashion anyway. If Foreman came out and man-handled Moorer easily, backed him up, and clubbed him into submission between 3-5 rounds then I could agree with Stonehands, but I can't.

I ask you this Stonehands, we know Foreman finished Moorer with a short right hand to the jaw. But lets say I edit out the knockout, and you view the edited version of the fight. Which would be the entire fight, minus a few seconds. Would you still come to the conclusion Foreman "performed" well over the 10 rounds?

[JimboDs]

I think I interpret the question differently than a lot of the people who responded. I don't see greatest performance as being interchangeable with most dominant performance.

I've seen a fair amount of fights (not as many as some of you it seems), but Frazier in his first fight with Ali would be mine. Fighting that ferocious pace for 15 rounds and scoring a one punch knockdown in the 15th was pretty incredible.

[RoccoMarciano]

I think I interpret the question differently than a lot of the people who responded. I don't see greatest performance as being interchangeable with most dominant performance.

I've seen a fair amount of fights (not as many as some of you it seems), but Frazier in his first fight with Ali would be mine. Fighting that ferocious pace for 15 rounds and scoring a one punch knockdown in the 15th was pretty incredible.

"Smokin' Joe" is one of my favourites in any fight! He had the style I like.

Mike Tyson would rate as high in my book if he would have done things a little differently (probably more me than him). Their style of fighting is always the best!

[Hank]

Marciano beating Walcott. He was blinded thru middle rounds, Walcott was on his game, and Marciano still won. I think any other challenger loses under those circumstancess on that night to Walcott.

Lampkin vs Duran--Ray Lampkin came in to fight Duran in Panama, with Panamanian judges and ref, with Dictator of country ringside. He got there 10 days before fight, and had no time to adjust to 100+ degree weather with high humidity. He almost got killed--literally--trying best to win. Great fight. It was a loss, but he was imppressive with everything stacked against him.

[Maxmomer]

you should take care with whom you provoke.

Wow. Scary. You're a scary guy, you are.

[Robot16]

Carlos Zarate vs Afonso Gomez
Floyd Mayweather vs Chico Coralles
Jeff lacy Vs Joe Calzaghe
Duran Vs Davey moore

[brooklyn1550]

Buster Douglas vs. Mike Tyson
Roy Jones Jr vs. James Toney
Roberto Duran vs. Davey Moore
Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling II
Pernell Whitaker vs. Jose Luis Ramirez II
Floyd Mayweather vs. Diego Corrales

[OLD FOGEY]

Given the level of the opposition, I would say Randy Turpin beating Sugar Ray Robinson in 1951. It was a decisive victory.

[NickHudson]

Nice call Old Fogey,

However it is noteworthy that SRR on was at the end of a light-hearted European tour, which involved a lot of boozing and partying.

Between May 21st up to July 10th (up to and including the night of the 1st Turpin fight) he fought 7 times in 7 different cities and 6 different European countries.

In someways you cuold argue that Turpins performance in the second fight 2 months later in New York (in which he suffered a stoppage loss in the 10th but pushed SRR every inch of the way) was an even better performance...

It certainly was a prime motivated SRR the second time around.

Given the level of the opposition, I would say Randy Turpin beating Sugar Ray Robinson in 1951. It was a decisive victory.

[sjc]

<<

has to be.

RJJ v Tony / Tarver I (Roy dug deep)

Hearns v Duran springs to mind

Tyson v Spinks (great as in swift brutality)

Benn v McClellan

Watson v Benn

Eubank v Benn I

Ali v Frazier Trilogy (both men obviously)

[enquirer]

Roberto duran v iran barkley....I mean what gives a 5ft 7, old,chubby former lightweight champ the right to beat a 6ft ,huge,powerful,hungry and agressive middleweight champion? Anyone imagine whitaker,chavez,armstrong or any lightweight in history doing that?
To say nothing of duran leonard 1 and duran hagler...
Of recent times calzaghe v lacy was mightily impressive...

[Bo Bo Olson]

Williams was old...back then his age was Old...and washed up...As a Clay hater I'd my hopes, remembering the young Williams, but Williams had no reflex left vs a extreamly fast young man....
Weaver vs Tate...in that I thought the thread had to do with upsets...most of the fights listed were not upsets for the victor.
Eubank vs sorry the guy he crippled..I't ealy inthe morning.

Leonard vs Benitez...in that I had Bentiz up and I was then a Leonard fan...I changed my view on him over the years....too bad that Beitez doubled his training too @10 days....that is why he ran out of steam and got caught.

[divac]

what a fucking stupid commen:patsch t tyson fought shit and looked nothing like the 88 tyson physicaly and mentaly

Tyson got dominated and got his arse handed to him every which way!!!

A dominant performance like that does'nt happen by accident.

The fight is history, its been done, and never avenged.

Douglas completely dominated Mike Tyson in every facet of the game.
There is'nt a single facet of the boxing game that Tyson won over Buster Douglas.
That is what is called complete and utter domination!

The excuse is that Tyson was'nt in physical or mental shape, but there have been other great fighters that we can say the same for that never came close to being dominated and disposed of in the manner Tyson was, particularly when it meant it was a great fighters first defeat.

James "Buster" Douglas' win was no accident. He was an exellent fighter with a variety of skills and he deserves mad credit for the motivation he mustered inside him in the face of his mothers death, and using that motivation to muster up getting in incredible physical and mental shape and boxing a masterpiece vs Mike Tyson.

Dont blame Mike Tyson for losing that fight, blame James Douglas for being in the best and most motivated form he ever was in the ring!

I tell you, alot of great Heavyweight champions in history would have had their hands full with Buster Douglas that night!
Dont blame Tyson, blame Douglas!:yep

Buster Douglas, an absolute great performance!:deal

[McGrain]

Buster Douglas, and absolute great performance!:deal

Agreed.

People make out that Tyson, by virtue of not being at his absolute best, was there to be taken, by whomever.

But anyone who thinks that Tyson was anything less than a dangerous fighter is deluding themselves. That one had to be won, and Douglas did what was neccesary to get there.

[divac]

Agreed.

People make out that Tyson, by virtue of not being at his absolute best, was there to be taken, by whomever.

But anyone who thinks that Tyson was anything less than a dangerous fighter is deluding themselves. That one had to be won, and Douglas did what was neccesary to get there.:good

Absolutely!

Alot of great fighters are not 100% physically or mentally everytime out....virtually all find ways to squirm out of the predicamant they have gotten themselves into and at least make it a competitive battle.....
......in the face of their predicament, they bring out the greatness in them and will themselves back into the fight!

Except for a lucky shot in the 8th round, Tyson was so thoroughly dominated he was never in the fight.

That type of sheer domination does'nt come by a fighter having an off night or not having trained to his capabilities.

Tyson's weight was'nt off the norm, if he had'nt trained to full capacity, nobody even under those circumstances could have envisioned Tyson getting dominated the way he did!

[JohnThomas1]

Tyson got dominated and got his arse handed to him every which way!!!

A dominant performance like that does'nt happen by accident.

The fight is history, its been done, and never avenged.

Douglas completely dominated Mike Tyson in every facet of the game.
There is'nt a single facet of the boxing game that Tyson won over Buster Douglas.
That is what is called complete and utter domination!

The excuse is that Tyson was'nt in physical or mental shape, but there have been other great fighters that we can say the same for that never came close to being dominated and disposed of in the manner Tyson was, particularly when it meant it was a great fighters first defeat.

James "Buster" Douglas' win was no accident. He was an exellent fighter with a variety of skills and he deserves mad credit for the motivation he mustered inside him in the face of his mothers death, and using that motivation to muster up getting in incredible physical and mental shape and boxing a masterpiece vs Mike Tyson.

Dont blame Mike Tyson for losing that fight, blame James Douglas for being in the best and most motivated form he ever was in the ring!

I tell you, alot of great Heavyweight champions in history would have had their hands full with Buster Douglas that night!
Dont blame Tyson, blame Douglas!:yep

Buster Douglas, an absolute great performance!:deal

A couple of questions


How do you see the Douglas that fought Holyfield going against Tyson?

How would you see the Douglas that fought Tyson going against Holyfield?

[divac]

A couple of questions


How do you see the Douglas that fought Holyfield going against Tyson?

How would you see the Douglas that fought Tyson going against Holyfield?

Good question JT, I'm off to get some sleep time, but I'll surely have a response for you tommorow!:thumbsup

[Stonehands89]

Wow. Scary. You're a scary guy, you are.

Don't you know that I "breathe lasers and piss rainbows"? Don't you know that I can whip my weight in midget champions before breakfast and without taking off my coat? Don't you know? You should take care with whom you provoke.

[Stonehands89]

Seriously, just because he made a long post about it doesn't mean it should be agreed with. Come on, Foreman/Moorer the greatest performance in sport's history? Seriously, you can't justify it.

A gutsy performance and win, but based on one big shot when he was getting outboxed prior, and not neccessarily against a great fighter. Cool story, but come on.

I did justify it. You may not agree with it, but so what.

You call Foreman's reclamation of the heavyweight title 20 years after losing it at the age of 45 against an undefeated priming champion is "a 'gutsy performance"?! And I suppose "The Godfather" was an okay movie in your book.

Prediction for Sweet Pea --Foreman's feat will never be repeated in your lifetime.

[Stonehands89]

Stonehands. I was very eager to see what you would come back with. I suppose it just depends on what someone likes under the "performance" criteria.

When I opened the thread and set a two examples, I did give an instance of an older fighter being well past his prime and beating a much younger opponent. Infact, Foreman v Moorer was one of the examples I mentioned.

However, I never thought anyone would see at as "the greatest performance they had ever seen". It was a mere thrown in fight I happened to mention. A fighter could well get thrashed over the majority of a fight, dropped five times, yet come back with one punch and pull it out. Many people might well see that as a great performance, I would consider it a great win. Fighters are not at the top of their game and performing well when they are being dominated and dropped on numerous occassions.

I would not tag Foreman's victory over Moorer under "great performance" myself, I'd say great win. Lets be honest Foreman hardly performed well against Moorer, and he wasn't expected to either. I suppose its a matter of opinion.

All I did was disagree with you, and it's hardly provoking. However, because I disagreed with you, you took it as being provoked. No hard feelings at all.

Fair enough, Robbi. There are alot of sarcastic puddle-heads out here who compensate for poor to average posts by provoking others. You are not one of them.

A word on Foreman... I strongly beleive that he knew he was going to have to take a beating before he could find the shot. He factored it in -similarly to how Marciano knew that he was just going to have to "take" Walcott's jab all night ...and did.

A great performance should consider how well a man does with what he has... and Foreman captured that well.

[JohnThomas1]

Good question JT, I'm off to get some sleep time, but I'll surely have a response for you tommorow!:thumbsup

No worries champ, at your leisure.

[Thread Stealer]

I didn´t say it was actually the greatest performance ever. I said that a nomination is OK. Ali- Williams for example isn´t surely the greatest performance ever, because Ali at his absolute best against an overrated, shaky and former contender who was almost shot to death doesn´t count for me personally. Don´t forget Moorer was a very strong, unbeaten southpaw with good power, good skills, stamina, top trainer, always in shape, etc., nobody gave Foreman a chance...

No.

Atlas was never a top trainer. Quite possibly the most overrated trainer of all-time.

I can't pick a single greatest performance of all time. In recent years I'd go with Pacquiao over Barrera. Pac moved up in weight and completely dominated a great fighter in Barrera, who was on the p4p scales, and in/close to his prime.

[KhanB]

Hopkins v Trinidad
Duran v Barkley
Barrera v Morales 3
Ali v Foreman
Calzaghe v Lacy
Trinidad v Joppy ( gets credit if he had legal wraps )

Im sure there's more

[Luigi1985]

No.

Atlas was never a top trainer. Quite possibly the most overrated trainer of all-time.

I can't pick a single greatest performance of all time. In recent years I'd go with Pacquiao over Barrera. Pac moved up in weight and completely dominated a great fighter in Barrera, who was on the p4p scales, and in/close to his prime.

Moorer had a good managment, they totally looked after him, I didn´t say he had the best trainer ever or so, I just meant, that Foreman´s win was really great, not the way he looked until that shot, I meant just the final result...

[Stonehands89]

:lol:

Wow. That Maxnomer -he's a pretty funny guy. He is.

[Brighton bomber]

Nigel Benn/McClellan. Benn fought with a passion and intensity in that fight that was unreal.

[Robbi]

Moorer had a good managment, they totally looked after him, I didn´t say he had the best trainer ever or so, I just meant, that Foreman´s win was really great, not the way he looked until that shot, I meant just the final result...

Agreed. One of the greatest wins in the history of the sport, but not a great performance. The final result is what counts, Foreman KO 10..........and the neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewww!.

[Luigi1985]

Agreed. One of the greatest wins in the history of the sport, but not a great performance. The final result is what counts, Foreman KO 10..........and the neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewww!.


Exactly. It also counts under what circumstances the question was, because there are many differences, like "The best performance over 35 years", or "2 or 3 weight classes over your best", "The most unexpectet", or really "The best performace" only from a technical/ athletic- position... :good

[McGrain]

Qawi-Holyfield, Evander was amazing in that fight, bringing Qawi onto the front foot whilst fighting him inside, that was genius.

That is arguably Holyfields best performance (haven't seen a LOT of him at Cruiser though).

[brooklyn1550]

As far as digging deep within and displaying unreal heart, Castillo-Corrales 1 is one of the greatest performances I have ever seen.

[Robbi]

As far as digging deep within and displaying unreal heart, Castillo-Corrales 1 is one of the greatest performances I have ever seen.

That fight sure was "real life" Rocky. Not just because they stood toe-to-toe while it lasted, but the sheer dramatic circumstances surrouding the mayhem, I'm talking about round 10.

Anyone watching the fight live and putting a bet on Corrales coming back to win after the second knockdown would have a needed straight jacket.

[Robot16]

That fight sure was "real life" Rocky. Not just because they stood toe-to-toe while it lasted, but the sheer dramatic circumstances surrouding the mayhem, I'm talking about round 10.

Anyone watching the fight live and putting a bet on Corrales coming back to win after the second knockdown would have a needed straight jacket.

Yeah if there was another referee it probably would have been stopped when chico went down the 2nd time.
Good fight and lots of courage by both.

[divac]

A couple of questions


How do you see the Douglas that fought Holyfield going against Tyson?

How would you see the Douglas that fought Tyson going against Holyfield?Obviously 15 pounds of fat took some of the sharpness and fluidity out of Douglas against Holyfield.

The Douglas who beat Tyson imo would have given Holyfield a better fight. How much of a better fight is a big question mark!
Holyfield was just so much faster than Douglas that its hard for me to envision Douglas being able to beat a multifaceted fighter like Holyfield.

Douglas most likely would have been sharper with his jab and alot better with avoiding power shots had he been in the condition he was with Tyson.
But remember, that was a prime Holyfield that Douglas faced.
......even a greatly conditioned Douglas imo would have had trouble trying to guage Holyfield, in that Holyfield fought hopping on his toes, in and out and moving laterally. This along with the speed had Douglas offbalance and guessing what Holyfield would do next.

I dont think it would be a whole lot different had Douglas been in better shape.
He most likely would have been more agile and a bit quicker not to get caught with that stupid lead uppercut he threw out of desperation that resulted in him getting KTFO.

Holyfield just did everything better than Douglas, he was quicker, faster, and had better stamina, heart, and ring smarts.

Had Douglas come in better shape, he could very well have made it close through the first 6 or so rounds if he could have established his reach advantage and been sharper with the jab.
But ultimately, Holyfield had too much skill and too much will that imo he would have stopped Douglas sometime in rounds 8-10!



How would Tyson fair with the version of Douglas that fought Holyfield!
I believe Douglas would have used his jab to outbox Tyson early, just like he did when they met......but a fighter who came in as bad a shape that Douglas did for Holyfield is more apt to get lazy and make mistakes, and those mistakes are costly if you're dealing with Mike Tyson.
In a fight Mike Tyson is losing, Douglas imo loses steam because of the fat he is carrying around and gets KO'd somewhere in rounds 4 to 7!
This insinuating that Douglas fight non-intimidated of Mike Tyson.
Through his reach and skill, he could still outbox Tyson in the early going imo even if he was'nt in the best of shape.
.......but if you really think about it, Douglas more than likely would have stepped in the ring scared stiff of Iron Mike, had he been in less than superb shape.
.....and as we know, that more than likely results in a very early KO!

In any regards, scared stiff or not, there is absolutely no way that Douglas could have sustained any success he may have had during the long haul of a fight if he came in anything but superb shape vs Iron Mike Tyson!

[apollack]

Roy Jones, Jr.'s utter domination of James Toney.