Clinton Woods

[punchmaster]

Not a single thread on his upcoming title defense. I guess the rematch with Gonzalez is that exciting. :shock:

[NOrth]

Hobson showed his promotional prowess when refusing the career best purse from ****** to face Calzaghe, instead he thought Woods was going to be a big draw with his IBF strap and thus attract Jones Jr, Kessler, tarver etc...

The fact is CLinton has become somewhat of a forgotten man, and to be honest I dont think Hobson can manage to attract any name without help. I just hope Clinton gets a nice big pay day before someone relieves him of his title. Gonzales isnt the man to do it, but I feel he could easily come a cropper against some "lesser known" LHW's.

I did hear a rumour that Woods Calzaghe had been spoken about again. All depends on whether Joe defeat Kessler in Nov, and of course if Bernard Hopkins fancies coming out of retirement to face Joe. In a dream world it'd be a GBP event in Wembly next May Hatton V DLH & Hopkins V Calzaghe.

but back to Woods... no, nobody gives 2 shits about his upcoming match.

[achillesthegreat]

The truth is Hobson got Woods what he needed at 175 - Jones, Johnson x3, Gonzalez etc

Woods needs to just win again and keep fighting. He needs to be fighting every 3 months. He is a champ and adds allure to any bill. He needs to see if Hatton can hook him up with a spot on his undercard. I see no reason why not.

[robpalmer135]

Hes not very exciting, he failed to build on the National Exposure from fighting on ITV. He is fighting someone he beat already.

He had his chance being on Hatton Undercards but Hatton and Hobson have split so Woods best bet is fighting nobodys for as long as possilbe half filling Sheffield Hallam and waiting for one of the big boys to give him a payday and one last hurrah! Moving up to cruiser and fighting Macceranelli would be a good move!

[mmickyward]

seeing this thread actually reminded me that woods holds a major world title.I feel that he might oblige glen johnson if he beats gonzalez.very good scrap that last time

[achillesthegreat]

Glen Johnson is just a risky loss and Johnson isn't really known. Woods needed Calzaghe. Win or lose he becomes known. Then he can come back and fight top contenders again but be known. Plus he would have earnt about one mill.

[NOrth]

The truth is Hobson got Woods what he needed at 175 - Jones, Johnson x3, Gonzalez etc

Woods needs to just win again and keep fighting. He needs to be fighting every 3 months. He is a champ and adds allure to any bill. He needs to see if Hatton can hook him up with a spot on his undercard. I see no reason why not.

hobson got Woods a title at 175 eventually, but he's never got him a good (exceptional) pay day. In reality although he fought a prime Jones he was battered so easily that it took a while for his stock to rise agian. Fighting Johnson and Gonzales (both 3 times!!) is nothing to shout about. I doubt Woods has even made enough money to retire on! he needs his million pound pay day and Frank ****** offered him that. Hobson turned it down saying Woods was now the bigger draw and instead persued fights with Jones Jr and Tarver... he also tried to get Kessler up at LHW. Nothing transpired and now Clinton is fighting Gonzales again, for peanuts.

The Hattons and Hobson have had a huge fallout, so much so that Mathew has signed with Brian Peters. Clinton is on his own now. Regardless of this everyone knows Hobson spent his entire "Hatton budget" on Ricky, hence the non-existent undercards and piss poor opponents (Castillo aside).

[safe_pa]

Just one question, Will Clinton (fighting a guy he's beaten once) get the same abuse as Calzaghe when he fought Viet for the second time?

[achillesthegreat]

hobson got Woods a title at 175 eventually, but he's never got him a good (exceptional) pay day. In reality although he fought a prime Jones he was battered so easily that it took a while for his stock to rise agian. Fighting Johnson and Gonzales (both 3 times!!) is nothing to shout about. I doubt Woods has even made enough money to retire on! he needs his million pound pay day and Frank ****** offered him that. Hobson turned it down saying Woods was now the bigger draw and instead persued fights with Jones Jr and Tarver... he also tried to get Kessler up at LHW. Nothing transpired and now Clinton is fighting Gonzales again, for peanuts.

The Hattons and Hobson have had a huge fallout, so much so that Mathew has signed with Brian Peters. Clinton is on his own now. Regardless of this everyone knows Hobson spent his entire "Hatton budget" on Ricky, hence the non-existent undercards and piss poor opponents (Castillo aside).
If my memory serves I've seen Woods in one partially high profile entertaining battle - Johnson 3. Lets not forget he slightly bottled it in the first two.

Woods has never had an exceptional pay day but I understand he got paid nicely v Jones. Hobson won the bid and then Jones bought it back off of him so it could be in America.

Turning down Calzaghe was moronic. Hobson fucked up. Woods stuck by him because look what Hobson has got him. He got him Jones when he didn't really earn it, he got him an IBF shot again when eh didn't really earn it.

What do you know about the Hatton Hobson fallout?

[rooq]

is gonzales a mandatory?

i'm sure any of the other lhw belt holders would love to get in with woods who is one of the weaker champs.

as for woods - gonzales, it'll be another woods UD in a hard working but uninspiring performance

[achillesthegreat]

People make out that since Ricky went with Hobson over ****** that he's taken him from strength to strength - when that clearly isn't the case.

****** may have matched him with some crappy fighters, but he knew the perfect time to get Kostya in with Ricky.
No he didn't. That fight just happened to come about.

****** tried to match him easy v Pinto for the WBO. Pinto fell ill, Arum is more powerful and then Cotto got the shot.

Then he tried the next step up in Harris for the WBA, Harris is a SHIT businessman and pulled out.

He wasn't going to go after WBC Floyd and Gatti wasn't going to go near Hatton. HBO have said that Gatti repeatedly turned down Hatton and that is since the Ward rematch.

Ricky begun to get PISSED and eventually ****** was forced to step up OR lose Hatton. As it was, he lost Hatton anyway.

[UndisputedUK]

Hes not very exciting, he failed to build on the National Exposure from fighting on ITV. He is fighting someone he beat already.

He had his chance being on Hatton Undercards but Hatton and Hobson have split so Woods best bet is fighting nobodys for as long as possilbe half filling Sheffield Hallam and waiting for one of the big boys to give him a payday and one last hurrah! Moving up to cruiser and fighting Macceranelli would be a good move!

LOL :patsch :lol: Giving up the IBF title to get KTFO by EM a good move!!

[dwilson]

It looks a decnt comeback fight for Woods after his long break. He should win but it will prob go the distance and then maybe onto more big fights with poss Tarver/Green.

[Boro chris]

Just one question, Will Clinton (fighting a guy he's beaten once) get the same abuse as Calzaghe when he fought Viet for the second time?

No. Or he shouldn't. Gonzalez is twice the fighter Viet is.

[Decy]

I feel sorry for Woods he is overshdowed by Hatton and Calzaghe which is fair enough they are better fighters but it is wrong that he is less well known than Khan or the mess that is the current British Heavy scene.He is also underated on the world scene i think he could do well against any LH exept maybe Dawson.

[Boro chris]

Is this fight on radio 5live?

[nrgetic]

The fight is over and there is no discussion, very perplexing!

[DamonD]

Sounded much like the first fight, which in terms of entertainment is a good thing...rough, tough, hard-fought battle with Woods ultimately outboxing Gonzalez.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Oh man, that fight was painful to watch. once again Clinton fights old foe hes already beat.

That fight bored the tits off me if Im being honest. I just cannot believe Woods pulled in such a big crowd to watch him beat an opponent he faced not so long ago. Clinton Woods fights are like watching groundhog day. They are all the same! Woods starts well, fades in the middle rounds, gets his second wind in the latter stages of the fight & grinds out a decision.

Sorry, but I cannot forgive Woods for bottling it from Joe Calzaghe & facing off against opponents hes already beaten in the recent past. Its about time he stepped up again, instead of conning his fans with these fights.

What did this win prove? the square root of fuck all. thats what.

"hey did you see Clinton beat that Gonzales guy who he beat recently, & no-one clamoured for a rematch but Clinton inflicted it upon us anyway?" Thats the only conversation amongst boxing fans in the street that I could envisage for this so called 'tussle'

[Words]

I wouldn't call Clinton Woods a boring figthter at all. The Johnson fights were all good value for money, The two Gonzales fights were entertaining also. He's got a lot of heart has Woods.

[Dunky McCafferty]

I wouldn't call Clinton Woods a boring figthter at all. The Johnson fights were all good value for money, The two Gonzales fights were entertaining also. He's got a lot of heart has Woods.

I never said Woods was a boring fighter, I said his recent fights have been boring due to the safety first matchmaking.

The Gonzales fights were a carbon copy of each other, & it was a known fact Gonzales didnt have the dig to cause Woods serious problems, so this fight IMO was a predictable bore.

[nulty]

I never said Woods was a boring fighter, I said his recent fights have been boring due to the safety first matchmaking.

The Gonzales fights were a carbon copy of each other, & it was a known fact Gonzales didnt have the dig to cause Woods serious problems, so this fight IMO was a predictable bore.

It was also his mandatory. In Clintons position would you have given up the title? It's not like he's in the LHW driving seat. So he won the title against the heavily fancied Hoye, fought the heavily fancied gonzanles, took a stay busy fight, then beat Johnson, then suffered injuries not uncommon to a fighter his age and then had to fight his mandatory.

Do you think Woods likes the situation? Of course he doesn't but he's lost a year threw injury. Give the guy a break.

[Dunky McCafferty]

It was also his mandatory. In Clintons position would you have given up the title? It's not like he's in the LHW driving seat. So he won the title against the heavily fancied Hoye, fought the heavily fancied gonzanles, took a stay busy fight, then beat Johnson, then suffered injuries not uncommon to a fighter his age and then had to fight his mandatory.

Do you think Woods likes the situation? Of course he doesn't but he's lost a year threw injury. Give the guy a break.

hey, you answered your own question there when you asked if Woods likes the situation;) I would argue that he does!

Your post is fair enough though Nulty otherwise, & you make your points well. Im just moaning cos I think at this stage of his career, Woods should be chasing the big fights instead of fannying around beating guys he has already beaten & holding onto his belt. If I was a woods fan, I would hate to see him going round in circles like this. fair enough hes holding onto his belt, but in not facing off against the marquis names his legacy will suffer.

& remember, I am not just picking on Woods for the sake of it, but the way hes going he will only be remembered as a decent champ like Woodhall, when he could easily have got a defining fight with Calzaghe.

So you tell me to give him a break, but I hope you understand my stance when I say Woods shouldnt be taking the break opponent wise that he is taking in the twilight of his career. Calzaghe has stepped up to fight Kessler, so why should everyone go easy on Woods for going over old ground?

Cos if Calzaghe fought old opponents as manatories, he would get slaughtered for it. & rightly so IMO.

[rooq]

Oh man, that fight was painful to watch. once again Clinton fights old foe hes already beat.

That fight bored the tits off me if Im being honest. I just cannot believe Woods pulled in such a big crowd to watch him beat an opponent he faced not so long ago. Clinton Woods fights are like watching groundhog day. They are all the same! Woods starts well, fades in the middle rounds, gets his second wind in the latter stages of the fight & grinds out a decision.

Sorry, but I cannot forgive Woods for bottling it from Joe Calzaghe & facing off against opponents hes already beaten in the recent past. Its about time he stepped up again, instead of conning his fans with these fights.

What did this win prove? the square root of fuck all. thats what.

"hey did you see Clinton beat that Gonzales guy who he beat recently, & no-one clamoured for a rematch but Clinton inflicted it upon us anyway?" Thats the only conversation amongst boxing fans in the street that I could envisage for this so called 'tussle'

what? tbh i had been expecting a really boring fight, but was pleasantly suprised. i think this fight was much better than his last performance and the result wasn't in doubt from around round 7 onwards. i scored the fight 117-113.

i still don't think he's an exceptional champ...but he does hold the ibf - a body which is notorious for enforcing mandatories

[Dunky McCafferty]

what? tbh i had been expecting a really boring fight, but was pleasantly suprised. i think this fight was much better than his last performance and the result wasn't in doubt from around round 7 onwards. i scored the fight 117-113.

i still don't think he's an exceptional champ...but he does hold the ibf - a body which is notorious for enforcing mandatories

So what you are saying is you are happy to see champions fight the same opponents over & over again rooq?

Well if thats what turns you on then fair enough. I as a boxing fan though want to see more from champions. I get no joy in watching belt holders go over old ground. This was a rematch no-one clamoured for beforehand. & rightly so. So what if there were some fun moments, cos everyone knew Gonzales didnt have the dig to cause Woods problems. Thats why IMO this fight was just a waste of time. The only beneficiary was Clinton Woods bank balance. Maximum gain, minimum risk.

[rooq]

So what you are saying is you are happy to see champions fight the same opponents over & over again rooq?


no...i just thought it was a good fight.

as for the opposition, the only previous opponent i won't mind him fighting again is RJJ. i hope he doesn't fight glen johnson again.

but something tells me he won't fight again for another 8 or 9 months, and then it'll be time to fight another mandatory

[BigEars]

but something tells me he won't fight again for another 8 or 9 months, and then it'll be time to fight another mandatory

Which is Glen Johnson btw , should Johnson want a 4th fight that is .
But Dunky I have to ask what do you expect Woods to do , give up the belt ?
He hasn't got the backing to get any decent fights without it , he wouldn't even get fights the standard of Gonzalez and Johnson .

Sure he could of fought Calzaghe , but we don't know what the terms and conditions for that fight were and if they were anything like what was presented to Haye to fight Maccarinelli then he would of been right not to take the fight .

The problem for the other Light-Heavyweights is that Woods brings a significant risk with little reward , not even the IBF belt is enough to entice the big names .

[Words]

Wouldn't Chad Dawson be interested in a fight with Clinton? I mean, they're the two guys at Light-Heavy that mean something. Dawson's profile isnt big enough for him to take on someone like Tarver, Calzaghe or Hopkins, a fight with Woods would set that up nicely for him.

[mmickyward]

id like to see woods attempt to unify part of the world title failing that i wouldnt mind seeing woods-johnson 4. Roy jones is a fight that could happen depending on the result against trinidad

[My dinner with Conteh]

Oh man, that fight was painful to watch. once again Clinton fights old foe hes already beat.

That fight bored the tits off me if Im being honest.


What the fuck were you watching? It was a great fight. Loads of action, changes of tempo. I agree with you about the 'same opponents' thing by the way, but if that's the case, don't watch in the first place. :good

[Jack Dempsey]

Great fight in what was a class night/early morning of boxing, also was my first experience of boxing on Setanta, I was pleasantly surprised, kept the advert breaks to a minimum unlike ITV

[brown bomber]

Bless Clinton he's such a trier- and a pretty decent fighter. I really like him and although I don't consider him anywhere near the best LH in the world the guy has worked hard to get where he is now and deserves any success he gets..... Anyone who watched him soundly beaten by David Starie wouldn't dream of him been a 'genuine' world champ in his mid thirties.

[Smazz20]

Woods v Erdei? Gives both men a shot at unification, maybe a little more money and the winner could be set for a fight with someone like Dawson.

[Dunky McCafferty]

What the fuck were you watching? It was a great fight. Loads of action, changes of tempo. I agree with you about the 'same opponents' thing by the way, but if that's the case, don't watch in the first place. :good

A great fight if you hadnt seen the first one I would argue. But all the same stuff happened in the first fight, it was almost like watching a re-run. Gonzales didnt have the power to trouble Woods, he landed clean blow after clean blow on Woods head & body & it didnt faze the champ, just like the last time. Thats what I found unexiting, Woods knew he just had to go through the motions to get the job done.

As for not watching, Im a sucker for punishment Im sad to say!

See, the trouble with me is I cant get that image of Woods shitting a brick when Calzaghe was on the phone offering Clinton a fight live on the BBC, Clinton wouldnt even speak to him!!! What was that all about? Thats why Im not cutting Woods any slack for facing of against the Gonzales of this world time & time again when the chance was there for a massive fight with Calzaghe & he bottled it in spectacular fashion.

[China_hand_Joe]

The Setanta broadcast team were amusing discussing possible opponents. How the belt holders were not attractive for Woods.

They know Dawson would do him in, but would dare say it.

Old rubbish like Tarver only please.

[mmickyward]

i wouldnt be so quick in writing woods off against dawson.i remember rico hoye coming to england as the future of the light heavy division and look what happened to him