View Full Version : Would a Floyd-Pac showdown be bigger than the Tyson-Spinks superfight?
Random comparison.
After tonights destruction of Miguel Cotto by Manny Pacquiao, if it were to ever come off, would a Floyd-Pac showdown be bigger than the Mike Tyson-Michael Spinks HW showdown in terms of hype and media attention?
Discuss.
JohnThomas1
11-15-2009, 03:58 AM
No i'd say, Tyson - Spinks was a heavyweight fight for starters.
TBooze
11-15-2009, 04:35 AM
No; Tyson and to a lot lesser point Spinks, were worldwide superstars. Only boxing fans and enthusiastic sports fans (outside of their own countries) have heard of either Lil Floyd or Manny.
My dinner with Conteh
11-15-2009, 04:39 AM
Random comparison.
After tonights destruction of Miguel Cotto by Manny Pacquiao, if it were to ever come off, would a Floyd-Pac showdown be bigger than the Mike Tyson-Michael Spinks HW showdown in terms of hype and media attention?
Discuss.
How many English schoolkids, for example, do you think will be talking about a potential Pac-Floyd fight tomorrow morning?
teeto
11-15-2009, 06:43 AM
Bigger? Nah, doubt it, not arsed either way. Bigger for the pure boxing fan? Why not? These are the two best fighters of the generation on a coilision course, and they're not shit fighters in comparison to yesteryear, i'm not having that.
groove
11-15-2009, 07:15 AM
well this fight cud go either way - they are well matched. most gave spinks no chance v tyson. a pac/mayweather fight will be massive.
redrooster
11-15-2009, 08:49 AM
Manny is overhyped here on ESB classic even. #10 p4p last 40 years :rofl
until Paq gets big enough to go on Barbara Walters and starts doing Kodak commercials, his fights wont get that level of recognition
Unforgiven
11-15-2009, 10:12 AM
The fight wont happen.
ChrisPontius
11-15-2009, 10:39 AM
It won't be bigger, but it certainly would be more significant and competitive. Then again, only in hindsight, Tyson-Spinks was a mismatch..... i guess leading up to the fight, it was somewhat significant. But Floyd is still the master at 147, while Spinks had been inactive for two or three years and dropping his belt not to fight Tucker, not to mention that he should've lost to Holmes in the rematch.
Unforgiven
11-15-2009, 10:49 AM
It won't be bigger, but it certainly would be more significant and competitive. Then again, only in hindsight, Tyson-Spinks was a mismatch..... i guess leading up to the fight, it was somewhat significant. But Floyd is still the master at 147, while Spinks had been inactive for two or three years and dropping his belt not to fight Tucker, not to mention that he should've lost to Holmes in the rematch.
How is Floyd the master at 147 ?
Sorry to say, but Michael Spinks was a bum compared to Mike Tyson's popularity.
MRBILL
11-15-2009, 01:35 PM
Fraud Mayrunner gets NO MOE $$$ from me on PPV............. NO MOE!!!:-(
MR.BILL
ChrisPontius
11-15-2009, 04:33 PM
How is Floyd the master at 147 ?
He is considered p4p #2 (and #1 by many, before yesterday) and fights at welterweight... sometimes at higher weight. No, he hasn't beaten Cotto/Margarito/Mosley, but he certainly looked better. I agree that he hasn't proven to be the clear #1 at WW, but i think he'd beat Mosley rather comfortably and shut out Margarito. Cotto would probably be the hardest fight due to styles - in 2007, i saw it as 50/50, but right now i'm not sure if Cotto is the same fighter he was two years ago...
Oh, and i also think he'd handily beat Pac on points. 8-4 or something. Basically a bigger version of Marquez with an iron chin.
Unforgiven
11-15-2009, 06:36 PM
He is considered p4p #2 (and #1 by many, before yesterday) and fights at welterweight... sometimes at higher weight. No, he hasn't beaten Cotto/Margarito/Mosley, but he certainly looked better. I agree that he hasn't proven to be the clear #1 at WW, but i think he'd beat Mosley rather comfortably and shut out Margarito. Cotto would probably be the hardest fight due to styles - in 2007, i saw it as 50/50, but right now i'm not sure if Cotto is the same fighter he was two years ago...
Oh, and i also think he'd handily beat Pac on points. 8-4 or something. Basically a bigger version of Marquez with an iron chin.
Mayweather hasn't faced a TRUE welterweight for 3 years (Carlos Baldomir), beat only Hatton and Marquez at 147 in the meantime, and was officially in retirement from Nov.2007 until summer 2009.
Marquez (a 135 pounder AT MOST really) is his only win in the last 2 years.
That puts him well in the Michael Spinks - 1987-'88 - territory for me. Precisely where you were arguing he is NOT, anyway. Just my take on it.
Fraud Mayrunner gets NO MOE $$$ from me on PPV............. NO MOE!!!:-(
MR.BILL
Cool down Satchmoe and blow your trumpet.
PBF's a HOFer already.
lefthook31
11-15-2009, 07:11 PM
Yes it will be. Like Spinks Tyson at the time its the biggest fight in boxing. Manny and Floyd are crossover stars. Not necessarily only in America, but big enough to make a fight bigger than Tyson Spinks with the global attention it will get. I hope Floyd is up for it, theres certainly enough money to be made.
No.
Neither fighter is anywhere close to as popular as Tyson was. At the time, Tyson was the most recognizable athlete the world over.
ChrisPontius
11-16-2009, 05:37 AM
Mayweather hasn't faced a TRUE welterweight for 3 years (Carlos Baldomir), beat only Hatton and Marquez at 147 in the meantime, and was officially in retirement from Nov.2007 until summer 2009.
Marquez (a 135 pounder AT MOST really) is his only win in the last 2 years.
That puts him well in the Michael Spinks - 1987-'88 - territory for me. Precisely where you were arguing he is NOT, anyway. Just my take on it.
There are key differences between PBF and Spinks:
1. Spinks lost to Holmes in the rematch, but got a bogus decision. Doesn't really add much credibility.
2. Floyd, although having been retired for 2 years, has beaten top level opponents at that weight ever since.
Like i said: he's not proven to be the #1 welter at this moment, but which 147'er would you pick over him?
Unforgiven
11-16-2009, 05:46 AM
There are key differences between PBF and Spinks:
1. Spinks lost to Holmes in the rematch, but got a bogus decision. Doesn't really add much credibility.
Three fights ago, Mayweather didn't exactly impress in that fake and contrived "mega-fight" with Oscar DeLaHoya.
2. Floyd, although having been retired for 2 years, has beaten top level opponents at that weight ever since.
:huh He's beaten Marquez. That's all. A guy who fights at 130-135 pounds.
Like i said: he's not proven to be the #1 welter at this moment, but which 147'er would you pick over him?
I wouldn't outright pick anyone over him. But I'd have picked no one except Tyson to outright beat Spinks in 1988 either, and even Tyson I wasn't anywhere near certain.
WhataRock
11-16-2009, 06:10 AM
You see either fighter getting a $40 million purse for this fight? Just the purse I mean.
Because thats what Tyson made in todays money for that fight...I reckon it could push it close.
Both guys would be looking at $20 million+ purses.
ChrisPontius
11-16-2009, 10:23 AM
Three fights ago, Mayweather didn't exactly impress in that fake and contrived "mega-fight" with Oscar DeLaHoya.
At least he won it. Spinks didn't win his rematch with Holmes. I can't believe you don't want to concede this.
:huh He's beaten Marquez. That's all. A guy who fights at 130-135 pounds.
At what weight did they fight? In what weight class was (is) Mayweather rated?
I wouldn't outright pick anyone over him. But I'd have picked no one except Tyson to outright beat Spinks in 1988 either, and even Tyson I wasn't anywhere near certain.
Who would you have picked over Tyson in '88? Who would you pick NOW over Mayweather ? See the point?
Unforgiven
11-16-2009, 10:46 AM
At least he won it. Spinks didn't win his rematch with Holmes. I can't believe you don't want to concede this.
Concede what ? I know Spinks went in to the Tyson fight with somewhat shaky credentials as measured by his recent form (the previous 2 1/2 years). Exactly what you pointed out first off, and I never disagreed. I'm pointing out that Mayweather's form of the last 2 1/2 years features nothing particularly substantial either.
At what weight did they fight? In what weight class was (is) Mayweather rated?
Welterweight ..... and what's your point ?
Spinks was fighting at heavyweight against full-blown career-long heavyweights. I mean, Cooney was a dubious opponent, but I do not think a middleweight or light-heavy would have been a better one.
Who would you have picked over Tyson in '88? Who would you pick NOW over Mayweather ? See the point?
No.
The only point I'm making is that Spinks was a highly rated fighter, pound-for-pound, at the time. Just as Mayweather and Pacquaio are. Spinks had holes in his recent credentials though, as has Mayweather.
For example, in the May 1988 issue of KO magazine, in their pound-for-pound ratings, Mike Tyson is rated at #1, and Michael Spinks is rated at #2
That's a pretty strong parallel, if you ask me.
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