View Full Version : Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao vs Floyd 'Pretty Boy' Mayweather who wins?
safc1990
11-15-2009, 11:49 AM
This is the fight that boxing quite simply has to see. In one corner you have the attacking typhoon that is Manny Pacquiao, in the other you have the defensive genius that is Floyd Mayweather Jr. Both fighters have come off great performances, Pacquiao pummelling Miguel Cotto to defeat in 12 rounds and Mayweather schooling a great fighter in Juan Manuel Marquez. Also their personalities would make for a fantastic build up with the humble Pacquiao vs the arrogant Mayweather.
So who wins possibly the biggest welterweight fight since Thomas Hearns-Sugar Ray Leonard almost 30 years ago?
Vote and discuss. :good
ScouseLad
11-15-2009, 11:52 AM
Mayweather. As good as Pac was last night I think there were a few weaknesses that Mayweather would have been seeing with interest.
Cant write a lot as gotta pop out, but for now yeah Floyd via decision.
kosaros
11-15-2009, 11:55 AM
Mayweather with a close decision. Pacquiao's speed and workrate will make it a close fight, plus last night he proved that Mayweather cannot just blow him away because he took some big shots from Cotto and wasn't really affected. Mayweather just has a bit too much class, but this is his biggest challenge in the division without a doubt.
in all honesty, i cant see how this fight DOESNT happen....if hbo protect floyd, they are damaging their 'investment'...it will seriously harm floyds reputation if he doesnt fight pacquaio....and if he doesnt, it makes pacquaio the p for p king by default....
i dont think this is an easy fight for pacman, no way, no how..i much prefer the style of pacman over the intelligent, skillfull, surgical dismantling practiced by pbf...but pbf has a superb boxing brain and i reckon his 'style' gives 99% of fighters fits...this might be a ww version of hagler/leonard, an incisive, accurate counter punching mayweather being chased by an aggresive more one dimensional but more powerful pacman....(i thought, with the sound off, that hagler beat leonard by the way....)....it might not be a classic 'fight' but might be a clasic bull and matador contest...and i just have an inkling that althought the matador might make manny's baby bull look foolish over 7 or 8, at some point the bull is gonna catch, and hurt, the guy twirling in the cape....
El Cepillo
11-15-2009, 12:11 PM
This is the fight that boxing quite simply has to see. In one corner you have the attacking typhoon that is Manny Pacquiao, in the other you have the defensive genius that is Floyd Mayweather Jr. Both fighters have come off great performances, Pacquiao pummelling Miguel Cotto to defeat in 12 rounds and Mayweather schooling a great fighter in Juan Manuel Marquez. Also their personalities would make for a fantastic build up with the humble Pacquiao vs the arrogant Mayweather.
So who wins possibly the biggest welterweight fight since Thomas Hearns-Sugar Ray Leonard almost 30 years ago?
Vote and discuss. :good
I wouldn't compare Floyd's last win to Manny's. Manny stopping Cotto was a lot more impressive than Mayweather going the distance with a Lightweight.
AndrewFFC
11-15-2009, 12:12 PM
Ill stick my neck out and say Pacquiao on points.
Castillo wasnt far off beating Mayweather, if Pacman has Mayweather on the back foot rnough (and he can box going forward) then I think he can get the deicision eased on Mayweather being too negative.
evil G
11-15-2009, 12:14 PM
I would love to see mayweather lose to pacquiao but I can't help but see pbf get the points decision. Hopefully I'm wrong.
safc1990
11-15-2009, 12:21 PM
I wouldn't compare Floyd's last win to Manny's. Manny stopping Cotto was a lot more impressive than Mayweather going the distance with a Lightweight.
I'm just hyping the fight. ;)
In reality though I think Floyd produced an excellent performance considering he had been out for almost 2 years and didn't show any signs of ring rust, Marquez was clearly cherry-picked though and I rate Pac's win over Cotto far more highly.
BURNLEYBLUE
11-15-2009, 12:40 PM
I've gone against Pac in 4 of his last 5 and been proved wrong. Not goin to change a wining formula so Mayeather on points and this time I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
Pacman is a fuckin machine.
Darni187
11-15-2009, 12:45 PM
I've gone against Pac in 4 of his last 5 and been proved wrong. Not goin to change a wining formula so Mayeather on points and this time I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
Pacman is a fuckin machine.
:lol:
I'm not sure yet, if the fight is made I'll give it a serious analysis. The thing is you can't treat Pacquiao like he's got one easy dimension to diffuse for Mayweather anymore. He's a complete fighter now. He can breathe fire like the old Pacquiao. He has an effective right jab. He can move and box. His defence is pretty good. He can counterpunch. He is the complete package and he actually puts it all together on one night which Mayweather hasn't done at welterweight.
ScouseLad
11-15-2009, 01:01 PM
Whatever the outcome this fight has to be made. I worry it never will be though. On one hand it'll be a record breaking fight, huge huge purses for both and amazing recogntion for the winner, on the other hand you have ego's, petty little grudges, purse splits and stuff getting in the way. Just go 50/50 and get it on.
Im starting to save the money now just incase it does happen, I have to be there!
ScouseLad
11-15-2009, 01:02 PM
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As of Saturday night, can anyone think of a single reason why Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao shouldn’t fight?
It kind of seems silly at first. Of course, there has to be some minor, highly insignificant, but ultimately negative thing about the two fighting one another.
But then really think about it. Is there?
Floyd Mayweather Sr. says there is. But he’s not telling anybody.
“Lil Floyd would whoop (him), but to tell you the truth, I don’t think he should fight him,” Mayweather Sr. said. “That would be my advice to him.”
If he’d have no problem beating him though, then why not take the fight?
“I have my own reasons,” he said. “I’ll let you think about it for a second.”
Whatever Mayweather Sr.’s reasons are, chances are they’d have a hard time stacking up against the reasons for why the two should meet in the ring in early 2010.
As Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, described it, it’s a fight the world wants to see. Moments after Pacquiao’s historic win over Miguel Cotto for his world title in a seventh weight class, fans from inside the MGM Grand Garden Arena started chanting, "We want Floyd."
Roach says that he’ll take whatever fight is the best deal for Pacquiao, but his pick if Mayweather.
“We’ll fight whoever we negotiate with the best. If Floyd wants a 65/35 split, he’s not going to get that,” Roach said. “We’ll take the best deal that Bob negotiates for, but personally, I want Mayweather.”
Back in September, following Mayweather’s unanimous decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez, his manager and close friend Leonard Ellerbe said that Pacquiao was the next obvious choice from a marketing standpoint.
That much is especially obvious, as the Mayweather and Pacquiao fights — although Saturday’s numbers aren't official, it’s certainly a reasonable assumption — marked the first time since 1999 that a single calendar year sold two pay-per-view fights that reached more than 1 million viewers each.
As Vice President of HBO Sports Operations Mark Taffet will enthusiastically attest, they are obviously the two most marketable fighters in the world.
“The two fighters’ persona and performance in the ring separates them from the pack,” Taffet said. “From a media aspect, they compliment each other. Pacquiao receives a tremendous following from the West and Southwest markets, whereas in Mayweather we see a lot of Midwest and East Coast activity.
“They are two megastars but to very different target audiences, which is what makes it almost a perfect storm from a marketing perspective.”
Even their styles are tailor-made for one another.
Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KO) is the aggressor, who has shown a willingness to take a punch to give one, as well as a constant desire to finish fights even when he’s well ahead on a scorecard.
Mayweather (40-0, 25 KO) is the tactical defender, whose elusive ability is often referred to as poetry in motion; always the type of fighter that looks to score points and attend a post-fight press conference free of damage.
The trainer in Roach says he has the blueprint to defeat Mayweather — something the undefeated boxer is constantly asserting doesn’t exist.
“We’d break him down and beat him up,” Roach said. “Floyd can’t break an egg; he’s fragile. He hurts his hands all the time. He has speed, but if he lays on the ropes and rolls his shoulders, we’ll take everything he gives us.
“I have a great game plan for Mayweather, and I know how to beat the guy.”
Mayweather Sr., on the other hand, remains unimpressed by the Filipino and the wins he has over opponents that aren’t on the same level as his son.
“We ain’t worried about that fight. Tell me where you see a 5-foot-5 (expletive) hitting someone who’s just standing right in front of him,” said Mayweather Sr., referring to the Cotto fight. “That’s what we saw tonight.
“He hasn’t fought the greatest fighter yet. That might be his next task, but I don’t know.”
One person who doesn’t care about Mayweather Sr.’s withheld reasons for the two not to fight is HBO President of Sports Ross Greenburg, who was already in the media center arguing with Mayweather Sr. on the subject immediately following Saturday’s fight.
Before any of the fighters had arrived for questioning, Greenburg was heard saying to Mayweather Sr. that he knew the fight should happen and that it was time to make it happen.
“I don’t want to say it’s just a question of money,” Grennburg said. “When you have a situation where you’ve created two big events in the last three months, basically to set up a semifinals in the 147-pound weight class, and the American public demands to see the fight it has to happen.
“And the way it happens is to induce all sides by getting everyone to check their egos at the door, sit down at a table and hash out the terms. Each side has to look at the big picture, which is there is a boat-load of money and a fight too important for this sport not to happen.”
Top Rank CEO Bob Arum, who promoted Mayweather until the fighter bought out his contract in 2006 because of a falling out, confessed that even he was more than willing to put their differences aside to make the fight.
“I’m not going to put up with any kind of nonsense — no trash talk, I’m not going to negotiate a fight in newspapers,” Arum said. “If Floyd Mayweather wants to fight Manny Pacquiao, he knows who to call. Period.
“There will be none of this, ‘I hate him, he hates me,’ — that doesn’t matter. If he wants to fight, let him call me.”
According to Greenburg, that was news Mayweather didn’t need to hear.
Right before Pacquiao emerged from his final medical checks in his locker room, Greenburg walked to the microphone to deliver news.
“I just got off the phone with (Golden Boys Promotions CEO) Richard Schaeffer,” Greenburg said. “He told me point-blank that Bob Arum would be getting that call on Monday and plans to come in and meet with Bob next to week to make the Mayweather fight.
“I think we can all hope and pray that a fight of that magnitude and importance to the sport of boxing can truly be made, because it is time to capitalize on all the hard work that was done over the last three months. We can look forward to one of the biggest events in boxing history. Let’s see what happens, stay tuned.”
Monday can’t come soon enough.
Good job Mayweather Sr has no relevance. Senile old man.
Dan684
11-15-2009, 01:21 PM
Mayweather wins JUST and I will be having no sleep in the 2 weeks running up to it
nulty
11-15-2009, 01:25 PM
Pacquiao close points decision or me. If Roach says he has the blueprint to beat Mayweather I have no reason to doubt him. Even without a blue print to blow Floyd away Mannys speed and workrate are enough to keep the fight close, then if he can hurt floyd at some point he can a couple of big clear rounds and take it closely but clearly on the scorecards.
Pug1list
11-15-2009, 01:32 PM
Pac will do enough to win on points in my opinion.
Beeston Brawler
11-15-2009, 02:24 PM
Mayweather 116-112.
When Cotto stuck to his boxing and remained disciplined, he was capable of neutralising Pacquiao to a degree. It was when he started trading that it slipped away, and fast.
Mayweather is a better boxer than Cotto, better footwork, jab, stamina - the lot. It won't be a great fight, I don't think.
Better than Mayweather vs DLH though :zzz
mike464
11-15-2009, 02:31 PM
Pac will do enough to win on points in my opinion.I can see Mayweather spending the whole fight on the back foot losing most of the rounds but thinking he's ahead. Maybe 8-4 Pac.
trotter
11-15-2009, 02:58 PM
I'm not sure yet, if the fight is made I'll give it a serious analysis. The thing is you can't treat Pacquiao like he's got one easy dimension to diffuse for Mayweather anymore. He's a complete fighter now. He can breathe fire like the old Pacquiao. He has an effective right jab. He can move and box. His defence is pretty good. He can counterpunch. He is the complete package and he actually puts it all together on one night which Mayweather hasn't done at welterweight.
One thing that stood out for me last night (I don't know if I've noticed it before but it hasn't registered) is that Pac throws his jab OR a lead left hand, but it seems impossible to tell which punch he's going to throw until it's almost upon you.
He seems to get to about 80% through the shot with his body before it's obvious which one it is.
Cotto said afterwards he just couldn't work out where the punches were coming from.
Anyway... I think he'll beat Floyd. Castillo gave him an argument with pressure. Oscar took him to a split with the crudest pressure tactics.
I honestly think Pac will overwhelm him. I'd fucking love it if he did.
trotter
11-15-2009, 03:00 PM
When Cotto stuck to his boxing and remained disciplined, he was capable of neutralising Pacquiao to a degree. It was when he started trading that it slipped away, and fast.
Very true. Cotto made the same mistake Hatton and Oscar did - thought he'd be stronger than Pac.
But I suspect Pac would've worn him down anyway. Just not as quickly or brutally.
It was amazing how effective Manny's left hand lead was. He almost used it the same way a normal fighter uses a jab, only with more power. Cotto didn't deal with that at all.
GazOC
11-15-2009, 03:16 PM
I'll go for Pac, I'm sick of that fucker making a mug of my picks....;O)
dan-b
11-15-2009, 03:17 PM
I'm convinced Pacquiao takes this on points. We know for a fact Mayweather won't stand and trade, so I can see Mayweather being so negative that he will lose a decision.
I'll go for Pac, I'm sick of that fucker making a mug of my picks....;O)
:lol:
GazOC
11-15-2009, 03:21 PM
I've finally accepted that the bloke is an ATG and up there with the real kings of the sport.
His chin is unbelievable too...I think that has finally been proven. There was always some doubts about it for some reason.
Cotto never bothered him last night and Cotto definitely punches hard.
How the fuck can I pick against Pac again?
dan-b
11-15-2009, 03:27 PM
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GazOC
11-15-2009, 03:27 PM
Cotto isn't a great puncher but he's heavy handed and Pac handled them OK which isn't bad for a guy who started at flyweight fighting at welterweight.
Beeston Brawler
11-15-2009, 03:30 PM
His chin is unbelievable too...I think that has finally been proven. There was always some doubts about it for some reason.
Cotto never bothered him last night and Cotto definitely punches hard.
Hmmmm.......
I've never quite got that either. KO losses from body shots whilst badly weight drained isn't anything to do with his chin - he has been in with......
Barrera x2
Morales x3
Marquez x2
DLH
Hatton
Cotto
Diaz
+ plenty of others, all with above 50% KO ratio. Not bad if you ask me!
Put it this way Cotto must be the 2nd hardest puncher at welterweight if we assume Mosley is the hardest since he had more effect on Margarito. Maybe Cintron has an argument...but to all intents as purposes its Cotto for deliverable power.
Manny had no problem at any point taking Cotto's punches. He was smiling and ushering him forward, even nodding in appreciation of a good shot !
mcguirpa
11-15-2009, 03:32 PM
It was amazing how effective Manny's left hand lead was. He almost used it the same way a normal fighter uses a jab, only with more power. Cotto didn't deal with that at all.
it's something to behold isn't it?
I watched the replay of the fight solely focussing on Pac and there were times where he'd slip away from Cotto then unleash 4 or 5 punches, starting with a left hand lead before I even registered what he was doing.
For me the key is the sort of half-step feint he's got. He stays just out of range, takes half a step in and judges in that split second the best course of action. If you back off he'll follow you, if you step in he backs away and walks you onto one of his many punches (how he got the Hatton KO and Cotto 2nd KD), if you throw he slips and counters. The speed and quality of decision making is outrageous.
Before last night I had mayweather as favourite, now I just don't know. One thing I do know though is the fight has to happen, it will be a $50M purse at least. The weight will be the sticking point, but i think it will happen at 147.
GazOC
11-15-2009, 03:33 PM
Its the fact thats he's been stopped at lower weights than the one he'scurrently fighting in. Its usually a pretty good indicator to be fair.......
What was he 15 years old when he got stopped to the body?!
That was held against him all the while, his resistance was always treated as questionable. You'd never hear people talking about Pacquiao as having one of the better chins but its clear he does.
Kid Lucky
11-15-2009, 03:36 PM
At 147 PBF wins - just. I think that he can outbox him at range and avoid exchanges in a boring fight enough to win rounds. More than happy to see Floyd's face be put through the threshing machine of Pacmans fist though.
izmat
11-15-2009, 03:42 PM
Pacman was knocked down by a jab from Nedal Hussein in 2000
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So it's pretty impressive to see him taking heavy punches from a big welterweight along with his ability to carry over his speed and power!
calumbo
11-15-2009, 03:44 PM
i know both are totally different fights but after watching what zab judah did to pbf for what 5 round i think pac could definetly win this!
Hes obviously a far more compelte fighter and has similar if not better speed,punching power and defence...
or maybe im reading it wrong but judah was dominating pbf easily!..early on!
BoroBoxing1
11-15-2009, 04:41 PM
Mayweather beats Pacquiao, I know pacman was impressive last night but hes easy to hit, I think every jab that Cotto threw at him it landed flush, Mayweather would have beaten both of them last night, As for Cotto i think he is finished just hasnt look the same since Margarito.
Healy
11-15-2009, 04:43 PM
If people think PBF will be standing there looking at PAC while PAC throws his fast flurris your having a laugh. People talk about Pacmans speed, what about Mayweathers jab???? Shit if Cotto just stuck to the jab he would have had a great chance.
PBF doesnt get hit either, anyone fail to notice that? How many times did Cotto land last night.
Ah i love kneejerk reactions....
PBF UD 117-111 roughly
Mayweather beats everyone without stepping in the ring. Pacquiao did what Mayweather should of done long ago last night.
dan-b
11-15-2009, 04:47 PM
If people think PBF will be standing there looking at PAC while PAC throws his fast flurris your having a laugh. People talk about Pacmans speed, what about Mayweathers jab???? Shit if Cotto just stuck to the jab he would have had a great chance.
PBF doesnt get hit either, anyone fail to notice that? How many times did Cotto land last night.
Ah i love kneejerk reactions....
PBF UD 117-111 roughly
Ah, I love glib responses. Cotto was setting his feet to land his jab, do you see Mayweather doing that?
GazOC
11-15-2009, 04:54 PM
I just think its nice to see Healy in an on-topic forum for a change......
JonOli
11-15-2009, 05:03 PM
Floyd is currently fave at 4/7 Manny 6/4
Healy
11-15-2009, 05:04 PM
Ah, I love glib responses. Cotto was setting his feet to land his jab, do you see Mayweather doing that?
No you right, Mayweathers technique and footwork is shit when throwing a punch.
:lol:
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Ah i love kneejerk reactions....
PBF UD 117-111 roughly
Didn't you pick Malignaggi to KO Hatton cos Lazcano 'hurt' him? :think
Healy
11-15-2009, 05:05 PM
I just think its nice to see Healy in an on-topic forum for a change......
Meaning?:blood
Healy
11-15-2009, 05:06 PM
Didn't you pick Malignaggi to KO Hatton cos Lazcano 'hurt' him? :think
To KO Hatton????:lol: No i picked him to outbox Hatton.
I picked Pacquaio to KO Hatton in the late rounds
My picks are usually shit, go to the Lounge and you will see how shit they are in Rummys thread:D
GazOC
11-15-2009, 05:07 PM
Meaning?:blood
Exactly what it says. You seem to be almost exclusively a Lounge lizard these days......
:good There were 1 or 2 people on here who picked Paulie by KO (:patsch). Thought you were one of em for some reason.
Healy
11-15-2009, 05:11 PM
Exactly what it says. You seem to be almost exclusively a Lounge lizard these days......
I am and even at that i dont post in the majority of the Lounges threads and rarely make topics, like Cotto, il probably be past my prime:good
GazOC
11-15-2009, 05:12 PM
You're shot!!!
;O)
Healy
11-15-2009, 05:13 PM
:good There were 1 or 2 people on here who picked Paulie by KO (:patsch). Thought you were one of em for some reason.
I like Paulie, but he never had the ability to KO anyone really. I still have faith that without Buddy that he can get better, Buddy doesnt help any fighter..egoistic fucker
GazOC
11-15-2009, 05:18 PM
:good There were 1 or 2 people on here who picked Paulie by KO (:patsch). Thought you were one of em for some reason.
RobP, FatJoe and (surprise, surprise) Betty had Paulie by KO.
Beeston Brawler
11-15-2009, 05:19 PM
Where the fuck is Betty anyway.......
A Hatton fought on Friday, didn't win - was expecting 30 threads on Saturday morning :-(
GazOC
11-15-2009, 05:21 PM
Where the fuck is Betty anyway.......
A Hatton fought on Friday, didn't win - was expecting 30 threads on Saturday morning :-(
Esp. after Ricky saying he though he was pissing the 2nd round of the Pac fight. That sort of thing used to be Bettys staple diet.
ScouseLad
11-16-2009, 05:48 AM
Floyd Mayweather says he is ready for a mega-money fight with Manny Pacquiao and believes the new WBO welterweight champion is "one-dimensional".
Pacquiao cemented his claim to be the best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet when he stopped Miguel Cotto in Las Vegas on Sunday.
Immediately after the Pac Man's triumph at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, trainer Freddie Roach put Mayweather in the Filipino's sights.
But Mayweather has already upped the stakes ahead of any match-up, saying the Filipino lacks the variety to trouble him.
In an exclusive interview with Sky Sports' Adam Smith, the American said: "The thing is with Pacquiao I don't see any versatility as a fighter; he's a good puncher but just one-dimensional."
Mayweather also believes he is on a hiding to nothing in taking on the fight and would be expected to win easily.
"I'm in a no-win situation. If I beat Manny Pacquiaodo you know what they are going to say? 'You are supposed to beat him, you are Floyd Mayweather, you are the bigger man'. If I knock him out they'll say 'you're supposed to knock him out he's been knocked out before'.
"I'm in a no-win situation and when I beat him no one is going to be surprised because he's been beaten before; whatever I do to Pacquiao has been done before - he's been beaten on three occasions. And if I knock him out I don't want the world shouting because he's been knocked out twice before.
Step up
"The world's going to go 'wow' if Floyd Mayweather gets beaten. That's what everyone is looking to see."
Pacquiao was reticent to talk about his plans for future fights in the immediate aftermath of his victory over Cotto, saying: "My job is to fight in the ring and I think that depends on (Top Rank's Bob) Arum my promoter to negotiate that fight. I'm just going to take a vacation first and spend time with my family and have fun."
Mayweather thinks the Filipino is running scared.
"When they asked Manny Pacquiao 'would you like to fight Floyd Mayweather' he said talk to my promoter; they didn't ask your promoter they asked you, what do you want to do?
"Manny Pacquiaowas asked the same question 'do you want to fight Floyd Mayweather' three times. This is something the world is trying to force on him. If he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather all he has to do is step up to the plate."
What is certain is should the fight go ahead, both men will enjoy a bumper pay-day although publicly Mayweather has said he would only fight Pacquiao if he got the lion's share of any purse.
And should the two men meet, the man who now calls himself 'Money' knows he will be in for another cash windfall.
"If I go out and make $60-75million in one night; come on - I'm not losing."
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threethirteen
11-16-2009, 06:12 AM
It’s hard to pick against the combination of Manny and Roach – they complement each other perfectly. The close fight with Marquez seems to have turned Manny’s mind around where he’s less impulsive and more disciplined in the ring.
But Mayweather is an incredibly rare talent himself. His unwillingness to show it doesn’t mean it’s not still there. The guy can do everything beautifully, and can mix it into a super mellifluous offensive/defensive package.
He’s definitely got more sides to his game than Manny, and he’s shown he can adapt to pretty much any style of fighter. Out of the ring, he’s an immature, emotionally retarded man-child, but in the ring he’s cool, composed and always planning. He’s like a chess grandmaster.
I’d be very wary of picking against Mayweather either.
icemax
11-16-2009, 06:32 AM
Where the fuck is Betty anyway.......
I was just thinking that...he's probably the new occupant of Gary Glitters old cell :deal
curly
11-16-2009, 06:43 AM
Mayweather late stoppage. Paquiao is often caught with his hands low and a lightning quick technician that Floyd is will capitalise on this, and deliver the bane of southpaws; a straight right.
Just speculation though, both great fighters
DDA365
11-16-2009, 06:56 AM
Mayweather close decision. I think Mayweather will generally get the better of it with quick counters and moving out of harm but Pacqauio will force the fight and win points with his aggression.
NJ1979
11-16-2009, 07:30 AM
Mayweather. There were areas the other night that Cotto could have exploited had he showed a bit more discipline. Mayweather will have that discipline. Still be close, though.
dan-b
11-16-2009, 07:52 AM
No you right, Mayweathers technique and footwork is shit when throwing a punch.
:lol:
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No, but then he'd be backing away wouldn't he? As I said earlier in the thread, I think Mayweather could end up losing the fight by being too negative. I don't think he can henpeck his way to victory over Pac.
Mayweather late ko. too quick, too big, too hard to hit.
Healy
11-16-2009, 01:06 PM
No, but then he'd be backing away wouldn't he? As I said earlier in the thread, I think Mayweather could end up losing the fight by being too negative. I don't think he can henpeck his way to victory over Pac.
Did you see how many times hPacmane got hit and how average he looked when trying to trap Cotto from 7-12, Cotto was only in survival more not even planning his attacks like Floyd does. Mayweathers jab is lightening and his straight right would really be useful against Pacquaio. Im more confident that Mayweather will box rings around him now. Pac gets hit, Mayweather doesnt, big win for Mayweather..points id predict 9-3 ish
Utter1
11-16-2009, 01:21 PM
I've finally accepted that the bloke is an ATG and up there with the real kings of the sport.
Without a doubt....
Darni187
11-16-2009, 01:32 PM
Floyd wins via Points
Floyd is a very smart fighter and would use his reach and movement in the right way and not get drawn in to a fight but box his way to a points win. Cotto showed us signs that with a good jab you can score points with Pacman, Mayweather would be happy to score like that and keep on the move for the on coming Pacman, it would be a very good fight to watch as Pacman would push Floyd all the way with his high workrate.
kieron
11-16-2009, 03:34 PM
Thing is Pac is such a one off, his reflexes and rhythmic movement are unlike anything Floyd has faced. Pac also showed by taking Cottos jabs and hooks that Floyd aint stopping him. I can see Pac relentlessly pushing forward with all sorts of angles and scoring sufficient to take a points win. very tough to call though and I'm surprised how many have Floyd walking this!
izmat
11-16-2009, 04:11 PM
It's going to be a controversial draw
ScouseLad
11-16-2009, 04:29 PM
Fat Dan Rafael :
It's been only two days since Manny Pacquiao's historic 12th-round knockout of Miguel Cotto on Saturday night in Las Vegas to win a welterweight title -- Pacquiao's record seventh in a seventh division -- but already the focus is firmly on a potential Pacquiao showdown with Floyd Mayweather Jr.
And Freddie Roach, the trainer Pacquiao now refers to as "my master," is licking his chops for the fight after seeing Pacquiao cut through a big, strong welterweight like Cotto.
"I've thought about Mayweather for a long time now," Roach told ESPN.com from his Wild Card gym in Hollywood, Calif., on Monday. "He's the ultimate opponent. His style does pose some problems because he's very good at what he does. But after seeing Manny with Cotto, Manny showed he takes a punch well. We'll definitely knock Mayweather out. He'll break down. He can't stand up to Manny's pressure. He won't last as long as Cotto.
"I got a feeling Mayweather doesn't really want to fight Manny. When he says he wants 65 percent [of the revenue], that's like saying he doesn't want to fight," he said.
Roach had heard about Mayweather's first public comments about the possible mega-fight, which if made would almost certainly challenge the pay-per-view buy record of 2.4 million set by Mayweather's fight with Oscar De La Hoya in May 2007.
"The thing is with Pacquiao I don't see any versatility as a fighter," Mayweather, the former pound-for-pound king who ended a retirement by easily outpointing Juan Manuel Marquez on Sept. 19, said to England's Sky Sports. "He's a good puncher but just one-dimensional.
"I'm in a no-win situation. If I beat Manny Pacquiao you know what they are going to say? 'You are supposed to beat him, you are Floyd Mayweather, you are the bigger man.' If I knock him out they'll say, 'You're supposed to knock him out [because] he's been knocked out before.' I'm in a no-win situation and when I beat him no one is going to be surprised because he's been beaten before. Whatever I do to Pacquiao has been done before. He's been beaten on three occasions. And if I knock him out I don't want the world shouting because he's been knocked out twice before [as a flyweight in the 1990s]," he said.
Roach isn't buying Mayweather's talk, especially considering Pacquiao is obviously a far superior fighter now than he was during his days as a flyweight, when he was weight drained and was stopped twice, once in 1996 as a teen and again when he lost the title in 1999 at age 20.
"Floyd can say what he wants, but I saw Floyd get almost beat by Oscar and when he fought [Jose Luis] Castillo for the first time," Roach said.
Castillo lost the lightweight title to Mayweather via decision in 2002 in what was the toughest fight of Mayweather's career. Mayweather won more convincingly in the rematch later that year. Castillo was one of Pacquiao's main sparring partners to prepare him for the fight with Cotto, so Roach talked to Castillo about Mayweather.
"I talked to him about Mayweather when we had him in camp with us and he told me Pacquiao is faster and hits way harder than Mayweather," Roach said. "I thought Castillo won their first fight. He put pressure on Mayweather and broke him down. Whatever Floyd gives us, we'll take. Manny will him on the arms, the shoulders, wherever he can, and Mayweather will feel it. There's no way Mayweather can win the fight running, and that's what he does best."
If the fight happens, the date of March 13 has been floated. However, Roach thinks that is too soon.
Although Pacquiao beat Cotto, it was a physically demanding fight. Pacquiao suffered a broken right ear drum in addition to the cuts and bruises on his face, Roach said.
"May or June, in that ballpark," Roach said about when he thought the fight should happen. "March may be too close to get a big fight like that going. I'd like to see Manny take a rest and then get into it. We'll have a change in sparring partners and style because Mayweather is so different than our last four opponents [Cotto, Ricky Hatton, De La Hoya and David Diaz]. We have to study him really hard. But I know Mayweather really well. I just need Manny to see what I see.
"I would love to see Manny knock this guy out and then retire," he said. "There's no place to go after that. We will break Mayweather down. He's a fragile guy. I know he is hard to get to but we will get to him. Manny can match Mayweather's speed and he has better footwork and more balls."
gallardo
11-16-2009, 05:13 PM
Manny knocks PBF out.
Floyd Sr knows this which is why he doesn't want his son to fight.
I think the Mayweathers' truly believe Pac takes steroids. Boy are they going to shit their pants when he's drug tested and it's proven he's not.
I personally think Floyd will find someway of ducking the fight. On the interview with RA Rugged man he made it quite clear that while money is important - protecting his "0" is also crucial. He won't risk a loss.
riot187
11-16-2009, 05:27 PM
Woah. He's not superman. Erik Morales chose not to engage Pac first time around. He won. Marquez chose not to engage Pac after the first round of their first fight. He won most of the rounds after that first one (yeah he did). Cotto even had good success against Pac while ever he stuck to his stick and move. Mayweather...
riot187
11-16-2009, 05:30 PM
Manny knocks PBF out.
Floyd Sr knows this which is why he doesn't want his son to fight.
I think the Mayweathers' truly believe Pac takes steroids. Boy are they going to shit their pants when he's drug tested and it's proven he's not.
I personally think Floyd will find someway of ducking the fight. On the interview with RA Rugged man he made it quite clear that while money is important - protecting his "0" is also crucial. He won't risk a loss.
He doesn't see it as a loss though. Fight will happen, Floyd will win. A good boxer beats a good fighter. You picked Tyson over Lewis didn't you?
safc1990
11-18-2009, 10:14 AM
Fucks sake Roach wants the fight at 145 :patsch
safc1990
12-05-2009, 06:40 AM
Bump
Beeston Brawler
12-05-2009, 07:10 AM
Hopefully Mayweather, by stoppage.
dan-b
12-05-2009, 07:21 AM
Hopefully Mayweather, by stoppage.
Why hopefully?
ScouseLad
12-05-2009, 07:22 AM
The genius beats the brilliant fighter. By decision.
safc1990
12-05-2009, 07:23 AM
Why hopefully?
Because he hates Roach.
I'm personally hoping that Pacquiao gives Mayweather a Barrera-style beatdown before stopping him late. Gut instinct says Mayweather around 116-112/117-111 though.
Pug1list
12-05-2009, 07:24 AM
Pac by decision, work rate will be the key.
dan-b
12-05-2009, 07:26 AM
Because he hates Roach.
Pathetic reason.
I'm personally hoping that Pacquiao gives Mayweather a Barrera-style beatdown before stopping him late. Gut instinct says Mayweather around 116-112/117-111 though.
I think Pac will win a UD. Mayweather never engages his opponent, so I can see him going into a shell, being too negative, and losing the decision.
Beeston Brawler
12-05-2009, 07:31 AM
The post was badly worded......
I want Mayweather to win (hence 'hopefully') and think it will be by stoppage.
Seeing Roach eating humble pie is just a bonus.
safc1990
12-05-2009, 07:34 AM
The post was badly worded......
I want Mayweather to win (hence 'hopefully') and think it will be by stoppage.
Seeing Roach eating humble pie is just a bonus.
What makes you think it will be a Mayweather stoppage? I reckon Floyd probably will win on points but I can't see it being a stoppage in a million years.
I can see this being similar to De La Hoya-Trinidad.
Losfer_Words
12-05-2009, 07:38 AM
PBF wins this, IMO. He's came back to make some quick money and would never sign for a fight he thinks he will lose and obviously thinks he has the stones to usurp Pacquiao. People are also forgetting the trouble Pacquiao had with a world-class counter puncher, JMM, on two occasions as well. PBF will sit back for the first few rounds and then go on to comfortably win the mid and late rounds on his way to a UD. He'll get next to no kudos for the win as well, IMO. In terms of what it means for the sport, and also from a selfish personal point-of-view, I'd like Pacquiao to win as it will be huge. I'm still very confident PBF wins this fight, though.
Beeston Brawler
12-05-2009, 07:39 AM
Gut instinct.
I just see Floyd taking rounds away early, Pacquiao getting restless desperate before unravelling late.
Points is the smart bet obviously.
howarya
12-05-2009, 08:08 AM
mayweather UD.His defence is too strong and pacquiao can be got at
dan-b
12-05-2009, 08:16 AM
Where the "PBF is a bigger, better version of JMM" theory falls down is the fact JMM was occasionally prepared to trade with Pac and Manny has, clearly, improved since the last JMM fight.
Beeston Brawler
12-05-2009, 08:24 AM
Where the "PBF is a bigger, better version of JMM" theory falls down is the fact JMM was occasionally prepared to trade with Pac and Manny has, clearly, improved since the last JMM fight.
Barring possibly Cotto, none of his opponents since then have been as good.
I'm not taking anything away from him at all, whether you are a believer or a sceptic.... you have to acknowledge how impressively he has dealt with those placed in front of him.
Will Mayweather trade, I'm not 100% sure either way..... he was prepared to trade with Hatton (bad example I know) but that is where the gap in class became evident, rather than on the outside so much.
Floyd is harder to hit than Marquez, who was a little static at times in the rematch - which I believe he won.... closer than the first fight admittedly. I just hope to see less of the catchweight BS and a fight between two top guys take place on even terms.
Losfer_Words
12-05-2009, 08:29 AM
Barring possibly Cotto, none of his opponents since then have been as good.
I'm not taking anything away from him at all, whether you are a believer or a sceptic.... you have to acknowledge how impressively he has dealt with those placed in front of him.
Will Mayweather trade, I'm not 100% sure either way..... he was prepared to trade with Hatton (bad example I know) but that is where the gap in class became evident, rather than on the outside so much.
Floyd is harder to hit than Marquez, who was a little static at times in the rematch - which I believe he won.... closer than the first fight admittedly. I just hope to see less of the catchweight BS and a fight between two top guys take place on even terms.
That's the key point and another reason why I'm picking PBF. If someone wants to fight Pacman, he'll always win as it plays to his strengths. PBF, however, is now far too intelligent inside the ropes to allow someone like Pacquiao to outbrawl/ fight anything other than his fight.
This fight is epic and I can't wait for the build-up and the event itself. Whoever wins, it's massive for boxing.
dan-b
12-05-2009, 08:34 AM
Will Mayweather so enough work to win though? Some say he let Hatton get inside, he won't want to let Pac get inside because he will be hurt.
Beeston Brawler
12-05-2009, 08:39 AM
Will Mayweather so enough work to win though? Some say he let Hatton get inside, he won't want to let Pac get inside because he will be hurt.
Looking back, it might have been part of a ploy to frustrate Hatton..... in the lead up to the fight Hatton was full of himself about how he was going to be all over Mayweather like a rash and would make him fold.
Ricky's over-eagerness at times ruined the better work that he was doing from mid-range.... Mayweather was smart enough to realise that, and more than capable of beating Hatton up close.
It could be the opposite - that he was made uncomfortable, roughed up and eventually pulled clear to win by stoppage.
Should I pick against Pac again?
THE KNUCKLE
12-05-2009, 02:17 PM
Mayweather is the best boxer of all time..2 smart for freddie roach never mind pac
slip&counter
12-06-2009, 04:17 AM
Floyd is a boxing computer with a Hardrive full of boxing knowledge. And as awkard as Manny is he aint seen NOTHING like Floyds counter of the roll game. As tricky as Manny is most of that stuff hits shoulders. And say Manny surprises him .is it enough to FINISH Floyd and whats worst...what happens when Floyd dissects, analyzes and makes the necessary adjustments to Manny's fight style.
I see this one getting UGLY.
dan-b
12-06-2009, 04:20 AM
Floyd hasn't really stood in the pocket with fighters since he left 135. It's part of the reason his fights are perceived as being a little boring now. If he goes on the back foot, I don't see how he wins a decision here and he certainly won't knock him out going backwards.
brown_bomber
12-06-2009, 10:08 AM
Floyd is a boxing computer with a Hardrive full of boxing knowledge. And as awkard as Manny is he aint seen NOTHING like Floyds counter of the roll game. As tricky as Manny is most of that stuff hits shoulders. And say Manny surprises him .is it enough to FINISH Floyd and whats worst...what happens when Floyd dissects, analyzes and makes the necessary adjustments to Manny's fight style.
I see this one getting UGLY.
gatti all over again :good
safc1990
12-06-2009, 10:56 AM
Mayweather is the best boxer of all time
:oops::lol::nut:rofl
Mayweather has brilliant ability but he's not even close to being the best of all-time.
NO MAS
12-06-2009, 11:25 AM
I think that the styles of both these fighters mean that this contest could be a long drawn out affair with PBF fightingon the back foot and Pac Man trying to counter...
I think that in the finest traditions of Las Vegas boxing it might be a draw in the first contest which could lead to a trilogy...:think
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