Bennie Briscoe vs Nino Benvenuti.........

[cotto20]

When Nino Benvanuti was training for for one of his title fights with Emile Griffith, Briscoe was hired as a sparring parther by the Italians's camp, after just a few rounds of action, Bennie was fired.

Briscoe said ''I guess I hit Nino too hard and too often'' laughed Briscoe.

''Anyhow, they told me to pack my bags''


This is a sparring encouter that I rarely heard mention. Just thought I'd share it........

[cotto20]

Yeah av heard that before, if they would of met for real i think brisco would of done a number on nino. Brisco was one of the best of his era not to win a title

[bodhi]

Yeah av heard that before, if they would of met for real i think brisco would of done a number on nino. Brisco was one of the best of his era not to win a title

You are selling Nino short, he was a great boxer. It may very well be that Briscoe takes him out but the chances of Nino outboxing Benny is about as high.

[Tin_Ribs]

Nino outboxes him in a competitive fight. He was, at his best, too crafty and tough enough to handle Briscoe's rough stuff. Bennie was an excellent contender, but a contender nevertheless. He usually came up short against the very best.

[cotto20]

Nino outboxes him in a competitive fight. He was, at his best, too crafty and tough enough to handle Briscoe's rough stuff. Bennie was an excellent contender, but a contender nevertheless. He usually came up short against the very best.
he got a draw which should of been a win against monzon, and beat more than 1 future or past world champion, he beat nino up in sparring and i think would of done the same with the title on the line, bennie would just maul nino, he would be far to strong and hit to hard

[GPater11093]

actually Monzon should have beaten Briscoe when it was ruled a draw.

And your claiming he beat Nino up in sparring you have no proof of that, Briscoe could have been wld in sparring treating it like a gym war and Ninos camp didnt want that or somethign else.

Also i think Nino would outpoint him in a exciting close but clear fight

[laxpdx]

Briscoe UD.

[Tin_Ribs]

he got a draw which should of been a win against monzon, and beat more than 1 future or past world champion, he beat nino up in sparring and i think would of done the same with the title on the line, bennie would just maul nino, he would be far to strong and hit to hard

Suit yourself.

[SLAKKA]

actually Monzon should have beaten Briscoe when it was ruled a draw.

And your claiming he beat Nino up in sparring you have no proof of that, Briscoe could have been wld in sparring treating it like a gym war and Ninos camp didnt want that or somethign else.

Also i think Nino would outpoint him in a exciting close but clear fight

Gater,
Again what are your sources??
I sent away to the nat lib of argentine and had the articles translated by delisa. Benny was giving monzon a pretty good going over and had his ass saved with a draw ruling. What are your sources?

[SLAKKA]

Here you are......waves hand


FIGHT IN REECE, BENNY BRISCOE MADE ENOUGH FOR MORE DESERVES THE FAILURE
"Buenos Aires, May 5, 1967
"(10 rounds) Carlos Monzón, Argentine champion of the middle, drew with Benny Briscoe, having failed the jurors well: 198 to 198, 197 to 197 and 198 Monsoon 197 Briscoe

"He won MONZON? Gano BRISCOE? Putting aside sentimentality that do not add up in the commentary that goal should be the main point of view in which we have an obligation to call things by their name, we must say that only one man on The ring looked for the victory and that was Benny Briscoe, apart from boxing unorthodox, but effective, as it tries to a unilateral Monzon, who believed that it would suffice - and sobraría - to put one of her powerful strokes right to stop this' human tornado 'which multiplied its action every time the champion - very rarely - as he played with a right reece that gave him such a good result in comparison with Jorge Fernandez, when he won the title.

"We believe - and we have said many times - you can not win a fight by firing continuously. And unless a champion, who was waiting for an opportunity to demonstrate that not won in vain, unquestionably, a prestigious Jorge Fernandez is full of history .

"Briscoe ignored the punch of Monsoon and establish its fierce and unrelenting offensive severely punishing the body of the ward of Brusa. It was clear that Monzon felt the punishment, as his arrival at the corner after the sixth round, showed that they no longer find the path of categorical definition, as the U.S. suffered the blow of the Santa Fe and he is not able to find another way, taking desperately in the melee and 'curving' Briscoe every time they put their fists in the line low, and many also , In the face.

"The decision therefore could not be another triumph of the Briscoe. Although, as we say, to Monzon placed his right hand several times without making a dent on the inside of Yankee humanity. Contrasted the corner of one and another adversary: Monsoon arrived while exhausted and responded to his request in the second and falling leaves' to arrive at their destination, "Briscoe stood on her own, without taking water only once and are not pulled out the mouthguard in no time, nor sat on his bench in the 10 rounds of combat ...

"A layer was perfect, round to round ... Only you attach to the Monsoon 2nd and 10th, even with 4 and 4 for Briscoe, that if anyone does not like it, could be 3 ... which are the points of advantage we saw the Yankee, on the sidelines, as we say, ridiculous sentimentality of which do not fit into our journalistic work ... "


If I'm reading this right, it says that Briscoe gave it to Monzon and Monzon was lucky to get the draw. If anyone here knows Spanish, could you confirm if that's what it really says?

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My2Sense12-22-2008, 01:07 AM
I used Altavista Babel Fish to get another "translation". Seems that the guy who wrote this scored it 4 rounds for Briscoe, 2 for Monzon, and 4 even.



“IN STRONG FIGHT, BENNY BRISCOE MADE RATHER MORE TO DESERVE THE FAILURE
“Buenos Aires, 5 of May of 1967
“(10 rounds) Carlos Monsoon, Argentine champion of the medium ones, tied with Benny Briscoe, having failed the juries thus: 198 to 198, 197 to 197 and 198 197 Monsoon to Briscoe

“IT GAINED MONSOON? IT GAINED BRISCOE? Leaving of side sentimentalities that do not square in the objective commentary that must be the main point of view in which we have the obligation to call to the things by its name, we must say that only a man on Ring looked for the victory and that was Benny Briscoe, besides its boxing orthodox, but little effective, because it coiled to an unilateral Monsoon, that thought that it would be enough to him --and he would exceed-- with placing one of its powerful blows of right to stop to that “human whirlwind” that multiplied its action whenever the champion --very not very often-- he touched it with a strong right that so good result gave him in I collate with Jorge Fernandez, when it gained the title.

“We create --we have often said and it-- that a combat cannot be won continuously shooting. And except champion, that was hoping an opportunity to demonstrate that not in vain it won, unquestionablily, to a Jorge full Fernandez of prestigious antecedents.

“Briscoe ignored punch of Monsoon and made specific its ferocious and implacable offensive punishing severely the body of pupilo of Brusa. It was evident that Monsoon felt the punishment, because its arrival to the corner, after sixth round, demonstrated that no longer it would find the way of a categorical definition, because the North American supported the blow of the santafesino and this one did not hit upon to look for another way hopelessly, taking itself in the hand-to-hand and “bending” whenever Briscoe placed its fists in the low line and, many also, in the face.

“The decision then, could not be other than the triumph of Briscoe. It weighs, like tenth, to that Monsoon placed several times its right without making an impression on the privileged humanity of the Yankee. It resisted the corner of both adversary: while Monsoon arrived solícitamente debilitated at his and taken care of by the seconds and dropping itself “when arriving at destiny”, Briscoe remained standing up in his, without taking water a single time; the buccal protector at any moment did not remove and rounds of the combat did not sit down either in its bench in the 10…

“I trace perfect was, round to round… To only we assigned to Monsoon 2º and 10º him, with 4 even ones and 4 for Briscoe, that if to some it does not like, could be 3… that is the points of advantage which we saw for the Yankee, to the margin, like tenth, of ridiculous sentimentalities that do not enter our journalistic work…”

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The first line says
In a tough fight Bennie Briscoe did more than enough to deserve the decision.
Carlos Monzon, middleweight champion of Argentina drew with Bennie Briscoe, the judges scored 198-198, 197-197 and 198-197 Monzon.
I'll have a look at the rest later, going Christmas shopping now.
The problem with babel fish is that it is too literal and doesn't translate in context.

Great, that's the most important thing to know. Thanks. :good

[bodhi]

Back in the time every close fight was ruled a draw in Argentine. Something that should be done today also, imo.

[GPater11093]

Gater,
Again what are your sources??
I sent away to the nat lib of argentine and had the articles translated by delisa. Benny was giving monzon a pretty good going over and had his ass saved with a draw ruling. What are your sources?

The source on Monzon v Briscoe 1 is from some Sports Illustrated articles i have in my house it's called Wild Bull of the Pampas and it is about Carlos Monzon and his life before the rematch over Briscoe and it mentions he had a draw with Briscoe but under new Argentinian rules he (monzon) would have got the decision.

About the Briscoe sparring i was saying that is what could have happened instead of everyone jumping to the conclusion that Briscoe was beating Benvenuti up.

[SLAKKA]

Theres no way any S.I. writer saw this fight from ringside. The above articles make it pretty clear Bad Benny was robbed by a hometown draw.

[PowerPuncher]

Another sparring story, maybe Briscoe was going hard when Benvenuti just wanted light sparring

[GPater11093]

Theres no way any S.I. writer saw this fight from ringside. The above articles make it pretty clear Bad Benny was robbed by a hometown draw.

yes the article does, fair enough your source is better tahn mine but i was only stating that under the then new argentine rules Monzon wouldhave won a decision and i have seen this quoted amny times (although it appears it would have been a robbery)

thanks for correcting me

[Mantequilla]

It might not have been a robbery.There were quite a few sources that thought Griffith deserved the rematch and said it was a robbery as well for instance.

Could just have been a close debatable fight.

[GPater11093]

good point there

to make a fair accurate conclusion we would need alot of sources

althought i thought Monzon beat Griffith it was a close fight

[SLAKKA]

Everything indicates a hometown draw. In the words of Ralph Nader-
"You keep asking me for more proof..what i've already presented is overwhelming!"

[Bummy Davis]

Briscoe was my man but Nino underated. He was a playboy and did not always come into the ring in top shape but Nino had talent. I see a tough UD or SD for Nino with some scary moments but Nino could box and punch

[cotto20]

Briscoe was my man but Nino underated. He was a playboy and did not always come into the ring in top shape but Nino had talent. I see a tough UD or SD for Nino with some scary moments but Nino could box and punch

I tend to agree. There is no douting Nino's talent. Lets remember it was Nino Benvanuti not Cassius Clay who won the Van Barker cup as the best boxer at the 1960 Olympics.

Nino had a great jab, good movement, some slick defensive ability, had a capable boxing brain, and some pop in his punchers as he proved when he knocked out Luis Manuel Rodriguez cold in 1969, with a single left hook.

Six of his seven losses also came after the age of 30.......

[My2Sense]

Also i think Nino would outpoint him in a exciting close but clear fight

Same here.


he got a draw which should of been a win against monzon, and beat more than 1 future or past world champion, he beat nino up in sparring and i think would of done the same with the title on the line, bennie would just maul nino, he would be far to strong and hit to hard

He also was outboxed twice by a fading Luis Rodriguez and also by an absolutely ancient Emile Griffith; and he was outboxed three times by Rodrgo Valdes (twice with the title on the line), a less skilled/classy boxer than Benvenuti.

[cotto20]

Same here.




He also was outboxed twice by a fading Luis Rodriguez and also by an absolutely ancient Emile Griffith; and he was outboxed three times by Rodrgo Valdes (twice with the title on the line), a less skilled/classy boxer than Benvenuti.
nino always struggled with guys who were strong and had a good chin, bennie brisco is all wrong for him i think he stops nino late

[My2Sense]

nino always struggled with guys who were strong and had a good chin, bennie brisco is all wrong for him i think he stops nino late

He struggled, but seldom lost; whereas Briscoe was beaten often and decisively by classy boxers.