Erdei vs. Fragomeni - Who ya got? [Archive]

bodhi

11-16-2009, 08:10 AM

Quite a surprising move of Erdei to move to CW. Who do you have winning?

Well, erdei wasn´t even a big lhw, actually he was a small one and if anything I would have thought he would move down to smw but going up? He will have some problems just because of size.
But he is an excellent technician and since his stamina problems are solves I think he can hang in there with many of the top guys.
Fragomeni is a hard cookie. Tough, tough, a fighter who likes to work on the inside and get physical.

The fight can go two ways. One is Erdei making it his fight, boxing Fragomeni, staying away from him and winning a decision. The other would be Fragomeni forcing an infight and stopping Erdei by TKO inside 10.
Both aren´t spring chicken anymore but Fragomeni is a bit older. I would make Erdei a slight favourite but I´m not confident in this pick.

micky

11-16-2009, 09:14 AM

Well, erdei wasn´t even a big lhw, actually he was a small one and if anything I would have thought he would move down to smw but going up? He will have some problems just because of size.
But he is an excellent technician and since his stamina problems are solves I think he can hang in there with many of the top guys.
Fragomeni is a hard cookie. Tough, tough, a fighter who likes to work on the inside and get physical.

The fight can go two ways. One is Erdei making it his fight, boxing Fragomeni, staying away from him and winning a decision. The other would be Fragomeni forcing an infight and stopping Erdei by TKO inside 10.
Both aren´t spring chicken anymore but Fragomeni is a bit older. I would make Erdei a slight favourite but I´m not confident in this pick.

Same for me above is a good insight into the fight, Erdei up 25lbs why? Sounds a crazy move therefore you have to assume they are confident of getting the victory but he was not a big Light-Heavy and Fragomeni is a tough tough man and despite his age has good pace in most of his fights.

Erdei for me but again not confident at all he could just get out-strengthed.

Flurry

11-16-2009, 09:19 AM

Its btw been confirmed Brahmers now officially taken up Erdeis 175 title what with the latters move up in weight

bodhi

11-16-2009, 09:37 AM

Its btw been confirmed Brahmers now officially taken up Erdeis 175 title what with the latters move up in weight

Good for him, I´d like to see Brähmer-Garay II. That was a good fight!

bodhi

11-16-2009, 09:45 AM

Same for me above is a good insight into the fight, Erdei up 25lbs why? Sounds a crazy move therefore you have to assume they are confident of getting the victory but he was not a big Light-Heavy and Fragomeni is a tough tough man and despite his age has good pace in most of his fights.

Erdei for me but again not confident at all he could just get out-strengthed.

Personally I would have preferred Fragomeni-Arslan. Imagine what a brawl this would be.

Flurry

11-16-2009, 09:52 AM

Good for him, I´d like to see Brähmer-Garay II. That was a good fight!

I think he should be the only native german world champ right at the mo, :huhcant think of any other at least. Brahmer Garray was a brawl Bodhi, definitely, Im not sure Brahmers has in the meantime amended his style sufficiently enough to the point he can take him on again.

bodhi

11-16-2009, 09:55 AM

I think he should be the only native german world champ right at the mo, :huhcant think of any other at least. Brahmer Garray was a brawl Bodhi, definitely, Im not sure Brahmers has in the meantime amended his style sufficiently enough to the point he can take him on again.

Sylvester is another and Sturm should count too, he was born and bred here. I think there is too much bs going on with this. You have the German citizenship, so you are German. Everything else is BS to me.

Well, Brähmer wasn´t outclassed by Garay in the first fight, he just didn´t stick to the fight plan, when he did he had some success. I hope he learned.

Flurry

11-16-2009, 10:16 AM

Sylvester is another and Sturm should count too, he was born and bred here. I think there is too much bs going on with this. You have the German citizenship, so you are German. Everything else is BS to me.

Well, Brähmer wasn´t outclassed by Garay in the first fight, he just didn´t stick to the fight plan, when he did he had some success. I hope he learned.

oh yes sylvester, you re right of course, reason I didnt have him on my radar was he was so very decisively dismantled by sturm, and sturm is a bosnian-german to me, german based fighter. But no matter.

In my humble opinion Brahmer doesnt have the style to beat garray or at least the Garray we ve come to acknowledge judging by both Erdei fights and the Brahmer fight, except if he has massively worked on his lead right compared to last time out

bodhi

11-16-2009, 10:47 AM

oh yes sylvester, you re right of course, reason I didnt have him on my radar was he was so very decisively dismantled by sturm, and sturm is a bosnian-german to me, german based fighter. But no matter.

Well, yeah, his ancestors are from Bosnia but does that make him a Bosniak? Do we live in dark age? Germany is an immigration country and like all immigration countries we should learn to see everybody with a German citizenship as German. That´s just my oppinion of course.

The Sturm-Sylvester fight was great. Very good showing from Sturm. I was rooting for Sylvester because his fight´s are more fun than Sturm´s but Sturm showed that he can be really good if he is "on".
I´d like to see Sylvester-Ghevor or as a unification Sturm-Sylvester II with the winner facing Pavlik and I wonder what happens to Zbik.
Even though mw division is pretty poor there are 4 Germans in the Top10 and I think they should face each other. Would make some good fights.

In my humble opinion Brahmer doesnt have the style to beat garray or at least the Garray we ve come to acknowledge judging by both Erdei fights and the Brahmer fight, except if he has massively worked on his lead right compared to last time out

That may very well be the case bu even when Brähmer loses I´d like to see a rematch.

Flurry

11-16-2009, 10:55 AM

That may very well be the case bu even when Brähmer loses I´d like to see a rematch.

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Mazallan

11-16-2009, 12:00 PM

I think Erdei will win. Two decent fighters.

Livershot09

11-16-2009, 01:40 PM

I like Erdei on points but I'm not too confident in that. Could go either way especially if Fragomeni can put Zsolt under pressure the same way Garay did.

Vantage_West

11-16-2009, 01:59 PM

frag will smother edrei's work persoanlly

GDG

11-16-2009, 03:27 PM

I just posted in the general.....Fragomeni is 2/1 for this fight. Is it me or does that seem really long???

IntentionalButt

11-16-2009, 03:41 PM

I just posted in the general.....Fragomeni is 2/1 for this fight. Is it me or does that seem really long???

He's a two to one underdog? :shock:

This isn't like Mormeck vs. Maddalone where the guy moving up is leagues above the heavier guy in class.

avk47

11-16-2009, 09:15 PM

I think Fragomeni will win this.

Chud

11-16-2009, 09:58 PM

I think Fragomeni will win this.

same here, Fragomeni isnt just a plodder hes deceptively good at closing the distance. Erdei hasn't fought anyone deserving of a world title challenge since 04 and with him slowing recently i don't see the extra weight helping. main concern is the judges.

andyZOR

11-17-2009, 12:51 AM

This is a pick em

I think if its a close fight, the points will add up for Erdei.

I favor 65/35 Erdei

Fragomeni could win tho, its a winnable fight for him.

IntentionalButt

11-17-2009, 01:11 AM

This is a solid card altogether. Gennady Golovkin vs. Ishe Smith, and Dimitri Sartison vs. Stjepan Bozic 23-3 (14) isn't too bad.

cubex

11-17-2009, 12:56 PM

Erdei looked TERRIBLE at the press conference yesterday.

Fat,old and already marked up(from sparring probably).

He's prolly gonna walk into the sunset after this.

GPater11093

11-17-2009, 01:31 PM

is this getting shown on ARD

Livershot09

11-17-2009, 01:47 PM

is this getting shown on ARD

It's on ZDF

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Hozumi's Hook

11-17-2009, 02:45 PM

Erdei takes this if he hasn't grown old 'overnight'.

IntentionalButt

11-17-2009, 02:49 PM

Erdei looked TERRIBLE at the press conference yesterday.

Fat,old and already marked up(from sparring probably).

He's prolly gonna walk into the sunset after this.

He's looked old and shitty since Blades. Of course, Frag is no spring chicken...

This is a weird fight.

GDG

11-18-2009, 08:41 AM

He's a two to one underdog? :shock:

This isn't like Mormeck vs. Maddalone where the guy moving up is leagues above the heavier guy in class.

Yep, 2/1 dog. Even if you think Erdei is gonna win that's really long odds for this fight!!!

cubex

11-18-2009, 09:05 AM

He's looked old and shitty since Blades. Of course, Frag is no spring chicken...

This is a weird fight.

By old I mean he doesn't look youthfull anymore.His face is full of marks,riddles and loose skin.
Fragomeni is older biologically but not in boxing years.
Erdei's been looking shit at all the card he was a spectator this year.

MCMLXXXII

11-18-2009, 09:19 AM

Fragomeni for me.

He'll have too much for Erdei.

LHL

11-18-2009, 09:27 AM

Erdei looked TERRIBLE at the press conference yesterday.

Fat,old and already marked up(from sparring probably).

He's prolly gonna walk into the sunset after this.

If its as bad as you say cubex i can see Erdei retiring in the corner Frag won't give him a second from start to finish.

cubex

11-18-2009, 09:54 AM

If its as bad as you say cubex i can see Erdei retiring in the corner Frag won't give him a second from start to finish.

Go on the site with news on fights and see the photos from the presser.If you've seen him at diverse Universum cards this year you've seen the bad shpe he is in.
Zsolt has been eating a lot of gulash.

In the fight he will probably start good and have an early lead but wil lfade late and loss a somewhat close decision or late stoppage even though Fragomeni doesn't punch that hard.

LHL

11-18-2009, 12:50 PM

just seen it Erdei face looks bad already a few shots and his eye will be like an apple. I might wait to see the weigh in pics before betting on it more to do with is Frag going to stop him or out point him. Erdei doesn't look like the guy moving up in weight he looks like he is struggling to make weight.

SZENTZOL

11-19-2009, 05:03 AM

They ain't in the same class though Fragomeni is a tough cookie to crack. Clear UD for Zsolt after a bit of sweating.

Beeston Brawler

11-20-2009, 07:47 AM

Fragomeni is 5/1 to stop Erdei - worth £10?

RonnieHornschuh

11-20-2009, 09:37 AM

Fragomeni is 5/1 to stop Erdei - worth £10?
Fragomeni isn't really a puncher and Erdei is quite durable. I would safe my money for Huck Afolabi: Afolabi is a 5/1 underdog.

IntentionalButt

11-20-2009, 12:52 PM

Fragomeni isn't really a puncher and Erdei is quite durable. I would safe my money for Huck Afolabi: Afolabi is a 5/1 underdog.

:shock:

Beeston Brawler

11-20-2009, 12:52 PM

I was thinking Huck on points for that one.......

pathmanc1986

11-20-2009, 01:07 PM

erdei only weighs in at 178.8?

i would have thought 5/10 pounds heavier than that would be best

Bodysnatcher

11-20-2009, 01:08 PM

I think Erdei will fold under Fragomeni's pressure.

IntentionalButt

11-20-2009, 01:14 PM

I think Erdei will fold under Fragomeni's pressure.

Can Fragomeni be relied on to apply that pressure all night? That's the question. :think

Ivo

11-20-2009, 02:16 PM

Erdei so light! This cruiserweight move does not make any sense in this particular weight.

bodhi

11-20-2009, 02:25 PM

Erdei so light! This cruiserweight move does not make any sense in this particular weight.

I'm pretty sure he was forced to do so by his promoter so that he can have a Germam world champ. :-(

LHL

11-20-2009, 02:27 PM

I was thinking Huck on points for that one.......

Huck has had serious stamina issues in the past and Ola style plays right into that Imo. I was thinking Ola late KO.

Dark Sider

11-20-2009, 02:57 PM

WTF? Erdei weighs in at 178 lbs?

Mazallan

11-20-2009, 03:04 PM

Any weight in pics?

LHL

11-20-2009, 03:28 PM

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Couldn't get the pic but there is the best one i could find

Livershot09

11-20-2009, 03:33 PM

Any weight in pics?

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cubex

11-20-2009, 03:42 PM

Damn,Erdei looks in good shape.A lot beter than I thought.

Mazallan

11-20-2009, 03:45 PM

Thanks for the pics. Both look really in shape.

nervousxtian

11-20-2009, 11:40 PM

I heard Frag got's 20lbs on Erdei. That's a lot, it's damn there a HW against a LHW in this one.

Strange match-up indeed.

UndisputedUK

11-21-2009, 08:48 AM

Does the winner have to face Herbie Hide in a mandatory next year?

TommyV

11-21-2009, 09:57 AM

Fragomeni. Not getting any younger, but still a tough fighter who can pace himself and smother a guy's work. I don't see Erdei + 25lbs being able to box comfortably enough, I think he'll have a tough time of it.

UndisputedUK

11-21-2009, 12:47 PM

Beeston Brawler

11-21-2009, 01:50 PM

What time does this start..... British hours?

billyk

11-21-2009, 02:11 PM

What time does this start..... British hours?
Soon after 9pm I think.

I'm picking Fragomeni, if they were the same weight I'd maybe fancy Erdei but the 20lb difference is bound to tell.

ishy

11-21-2009, 02:19 PM

I'm going with Frag here. On points, possibly late stoppage.

Who's Golovkin facing on the undercard? Heard Ishe Smith pulled out.

GDG

11-21-2009, 02:21 PM

Is there anywhere to watch this (legally of course) on the net??

Got some bid $$$ on this one!!!

Боксёр

11-21-2009, 02:42 PM

Anybody know if it's possible to watch Sartison fight online or follow this card online maybe with play by play updates ? Thanks !

Mendoza

11-21-2009, 03:22 PM

Quite a surprising move of Erdei to move to CW. Who do you have winning?

Hard to pick this one, I never saw Fragomeni. Erdei to me a was a good, but not great light heavyweight.

huki

11-21-2009, 03:56 PM

Fragomeni.

Боксёр

11-21-2009, 04:02 PM

Any updates from this card ??

11-21-2009, 05:08 PM

Rootin for frag...

nervousxtian

11-21-2009, 06:12 PM

Any idea when the card starts? (if you post a time, post a timezone)

Brickhaus

11-21-2009, 06:39 PM

Any idea when the card starts? (if you post a time, post a timezone)

Fight is starting right now.

Anyone know whether they did Gutierrez vs. Tajbert? It looked like they skipped that fight.

bodhi

11-21-2009, 07:02 PM

The Tajbert fight is shown after the Erdei fight.

Erdei looked terrific in the first three rounds, dominating Fragomeni. The fourth was closer but still for Erdei. Fifth is on at the moment, about even. The tide seems to turn a bit but Erdei looks still in it usind his speed advantage, throwing nice combinations and showing good defence.

Serenata

11-21-2009, 07:37 PM

Close, but good fight. No robbery at all.

Santos

11-21-2009, 09:04 PM

Erdei won by 114-114, 115-113 and 115-113. Close but still a win for him. He stated to the Hungarian TV that he wanted to give up in the 6th round but his trainer kept him alive and his heart was moving him forward. Was a good match.

TFFP

11-21-2009, 10:32 PM

I thought Erdei deserved it, if anything I think the two 115-113 and even cards look good for Fragomeni.

This fight was a mini-classic, one of those types that will fly under the radar. After the first few rounds Erdei abandoned movement and stood toe to toe with Frag.

Mazallan

11-22-2009, 08:16 AM

Sounds like a great fight. Hopefully Erdei gets a few more good fights now. Who is lined up for the next fight?

Darien

11-22-2009, 09:53 AM

Sounds like a great fight. Hopefully Erdei gets a few more good fights now. Who is lined up for the next fight?
If he stays at CW he will have to defend his title against Wlodarczyk. But I highly doubt he'll want to stay with the big boys. He's a natural SMW and a small LHW. He should move back to his real weightclass and fight one of the titleholders there IMO.

atya

11-22-2009, 11:17 AM

Yes, this was a really good fight. Erdei won clearly. But Fragomeni showed, that he deserved his title, too. He was able to intensively dodge Erdei's punches even in the 12th round. And Erdei's heart is unbeleivable. When he was tired, he used his punches as defense, not holding. But fighters were great sportsman, the referee didn't have to say a single stop during the match.
It was good to see this match.

bodhi

11-22-2009, 12:11 PM

If he stays at CW he will have to defend his title against Wlodarczyk. But I highly doubt he'll want to stay with the big boys. He's a natural SMW and a small LHW. He should move back to his real weightclass and fight one of the titleholders there IMO.

Erdei said even before the fight this was a one time showing at cw. From what I know he ook this fight on 3 weeks notice because the unification fight with Cloud didn't work out ... let's see wha he does next.

Serenata

11-22-2009, 05:31 PM

Erdei had about 7kg less than Fragomeni :eek:

He was just forced to vacate his belt to make Braemer a wordchampion without the fight because of TV contracts in germany. A german champion sells better....

A disgrace for the promoter...

Flurry

11-23-2009, 04:00 AM

Erdei imo deserved a close verdict in an action filled match that saw neither of them yield an inch and slug it out until the last bell. There was hardly any holding or clinching and the fight was easy to rule for the ref.

On the flip side: cruiserweight is not the perfect weighclass for Erdei who gave away like 8 kilogramms, came in weighing less than 82, thats ridiculous. Twas enough for beating this solid but limited competitor but the first time he steps in with a hard punching proper cruiser he ll likely get knocked out. Erdei who used to rely on reflexes so much down at lightheavy and his handspeed was forced to work very hard in this one and for my taste was caught flush too many times which bodes badly in case he meets a better man.

Props for becoming a multi division champ

but he imo should go back down to lightheavy, he might not survive for long at cruiser.

wally

11-23-2009, 04:49 AM

bodhi

11-23-2009, 05:25 AM

Erdei deserved it too imo. He connected more with his punches.

He should move back to the light heavyweight division though unless Universum pair him up against bums or at best European class cruiserweights.

Pair him up against Huck, Cunningham, Afolabi or any of those Russians and he'll be in trouble.

That said if he goes back to LHW, he'll probably be paired up against bums too :(

so what next? retire?

When he moeves back to lhw he has no title anymore but would be a top fighter, perhaps the "unification" with Cloud a top fight with Dawson or something like that comes off. After this win he certainly should get 1-2 big money fights.

LHL

11-23-2009, 11:15 AM

Just downloading it now :D

Where is Hide in all these WBC rankings? I thought he was number 1 before Frag & Wlodarczyk

FROST

11-24-2009, 12:29 PM

I was able to watch this on youtubeTV now, what a fight! That's what I call a war, it would have been even better with a KD or two, but it's definately a fight of the year candidate. Both fighters showed heart, Erdei dominated the first rounds with skills and speed but then he tired, I never thought he was that tough to hang in there against the much heavier Fragomeni. Erdei fought at the LHW weight, and he was never a big LHW to begin with (to be fair, Fragomeni is a small CW). Both men have very good chins and took lots of punishment, Fragomeni is 40 years old but kept coming the whole evening, he's very hittable but can put his punches together - he has a classic swarmer style, trying to break his opponents down. I guess the decision for Erdei was ok. Respect to both these guys, Erdei proved he's better than he made us believe. But I feel that CW is the wrong weight for him, he should move back down to LHW.

FROST

11-24-2009, 12:34 PM

(double post)

FROST

11-24-2009, 12:37 PM

(triple post!)

emanuel_augustus

12-04-2009, 01:08 AM

Great fight. I just watched it and scored it closely looking at each round and had it 115-113 for Erdei. He piled up the early rounds, winning the first five. Frag came on in the middle rounds a bit and clearly won round 12, but Erdei's better skills were ultimately the difference.

Very good fight, though!