Anthony Johnson will destroy GSP [Archive]

codeman99998

11-16-2009, 03:14 PM

I tend to think Kos can take this to the ground and just pound him out. Johnson needs to go up in weight anyhow. Like watching a friggin 6th grader bully kids in a sandbox.

I agree that Kos probably CAN do this. I'm really pulling for Kos in this fight, but I hope he uses his wrestling wisely and doesn't just try to stand with Johnson. Koscheck is a fantastic fighter but he doesn't always come in to the fight with a solid gameplan.

If Kos doesn't respect Johnson's striking I think he's going to get KOd.

achillesthegreat

11-16-2009, 03:48 PM

Johnson's family doesn't believe the title of this thread.

dublynflya

11-16-2009, 04:42 PM

Nope

Thiago Alves is bigger, stronger and he has far more destructive stand-up than GSP and he got no-where with the champ!! Rumble Johnson IS a good prospect and I'm a fan but this fight will tell us if he is even a true contender as there is a huge difference between the opponents he has been beating and Kos.

wentz

11-16-2009, 04:51 PM

IntentionalButt

11-16-2009, 05:07 PM

Johnson's family doesn't believe the title of this thread.

:lol:

skier47

11-16-2009, 05:55 PM

Thiago Alves is bigger, stronger and he has far more destructive stand-up than GSP and he got no-where with the champ!! Rumble Johnson IS a good prospect and I'm a fan but this fight will tell us if he is even a true contender as there is a huge difference between the opponents he has been beating and Kos.

Alves is certainly bigger than GSP but at most just slightly better stand-up. GSP repeatedly knocked Fitch to the ground in their fight with terrific counter-striking and fast precision punches. He also after his eye injury in the first Penn fight just dominated and kept Penn at bay with fantastic kicks. As far as strength I give GSP the edge as he dominated Alves on the ground and took him down at will. GSP is pound for pound one of the greats, up there with Fedor and the Spider.

Beebs

11-16-2009, 06:11 PM

More stupid zuffa crap. When will you guys learn?

Why won't you demand some real fights, and forget this crap about which logo looks the nicest.

Who is he, who is Anthony Johnson?

kill zuffa, that's all

When will you respond? Name 10 better heavies at the time than Mir and Couture? Name a better WW than GSP if this fight is so worthless.

I'll go ahead and answer, you never will because you are a cowardly moron:

Popkins

11-17-2009, 04:00 PM

soon enough.......After Rumble destroys Koscheck just one more big fight and GSP will be outclassed....

:patsch

Rewind six months, delete "Anthony Johnson" and insert "Thiago Alves".

Fast forward another six months, delete "Anthony Johnson" and insert the name of the next badass who is ready to dethrone GSP.

GSP isn't going anywhere. He'll beat the Alves's and the Johnson's until he decides to stop.

jimmie

11-17-2009, 04:03 PM

:patsch

Rewind six months, delete "Anthony Johnson" and insert "Thiago Alves".

Fast forward another six months, delete "Anthony Johnson" and insert the name of the next badass who is ready to dethrone GSP.

GSP isn't going anywhere. He'll beat the Alves's and the Johnson's until he decides to stop.

Only was GSP is beat by beating himself right now. But how will that happen ? There is IMO no harder working and more dedicated fighter out there right now. GSP loses when he gets bored and he isnt bored quite yet.

achillesthegreat

11-17-2009, 04:18 PM

The world isn't perfect so the Hughes and Serra will occassionaly have their day but that is it. They will only have ONE day. GSP on the other hand will win every other day.

solidchin

11-17-2009, 08:43 PM

kos to lose against johnson he too is a wrestler and his stand up is much better so where can you see this fight going only 1 way and thats a ko for johnson

Beebs

11-17-2009, 09:33 PM

kos to lose against johnson he too is a wrestler and his stand up is much better so where can you see this fight going only 1 way and thats a ko for johnson

Just because they are both wrestlers doesn't mean that they are equally good at it; Josh is one of the best in the division, probably the second best, Johnson is very good but clearly at a disadvantage.

We have seen Koscheck fight better strikers than we have Johnson; arguably we have see Koscheck fight strikers who are better strikers than Johnson is. He doesn't always win, but we have seen him against them; he did drop the admittedly glass-chinned Goulet, and use other of his aspects of his game to beat Spratt, Joslin, and Lytle.

What we have seen of Johnson's striking is impressive, but it hasn't been against particuarly good strikers, or even good fighters without great striking. And while I know he was weight drained and on short notice against Rich Clementi, he got choked out by a lightweight, and he very well might have to come in weight drained again if keeps up his current strategy of having to lose 30+ pounds, 15 of it probably by cutting it.

Dantes

11-18-2009, 01:23 AM

soon enough.......After Rumble destroys Koscheck just one more big fight and GSP will be outclassed....

:lol:

Monoxide

11-18-2009, 02:02 AM

Johnson was submitted by Rich Clementi. I think GSP is way way too well rounded for him. Could be an interesting fight on the feet though

socrates

11-18-2009, 06:33 AM

anthony johnson that got subbed by clementi??

thiago silva would eat this guy let alone gsp!

socrates

11-18-2009, 07:11 AM

i also think he will outstrike koshcheck for the first round but koskchecks superior wrestling will lead him to victory in round 2..

rekcutnevets

11-18-2009, 12:05 PM

Posted by Beebs
GSP is to Johnson what Fedor is to Rogers.
Technique wise, it may be a close comparison. GSP does not have Fedor's chin, and Johnson hits very hard.

I'm not trying to say that Johnson is anywhere near GSP's level. I have not seen enough of him to even gauge if he is a solid contender. I'm not carrying any preconceived notions into the fight with Kos. I won't be surprised by any outcome there. After this fight I may be willing to add more in regards to this subject.

Polymath

11-18-2009, 12:40 PM

:patsch

Rewind six months, delete "Anthony Johnson" and insert "Thiago Alves".

Fast forward another six months, delete "Anthony Johnson" and insert the name of the next badass who is ready to dethrone GSP.

GSP isn't going anywhere. He'll beat the Alves's and the Johnson's until he decides to stop.

Most people thought GSP would beat Alves and most people think he would beat Johnson.

achillesthegreat

11-18-2009, 01:11 PM

Loads of people picked Alves. Alves was and is a bad man. But a man can't beat God :-)

Polymath

11-18-2009, 01:36 PM

Loads of people picked Alves.

Loads of people think theyre Elvis.

achillesthegreat

11-18-2009, 01:59 PM

Loads of people think theyre Elvis.

If enough people think someone is Elvis then maybe they are Elvis.

This could get cryptic but you get my point.

cloud_cyc

11-19-2009, 01:45 AM

Johnson's family doesn't believe the title of this thread.

well i dont think johnson himself believes this..

Flexb

11-19-2009, 10:41 PM

I've been followin Johnson for a couple of years and this dude is violent. He's a good wrestler and crazy striker with crazy speed and explosiveness. All Kos has on him is experience right now. If Rumble can stay relaxed he should KO Kos

Flexb

11-19-2009, 10:46 PM

BTW Anthony was a national wrestling champ in college so he's not stranger to fighting on the ground although he usually KO's his opponents without being forced to go there.

Spunik

11-20-2009, 11:48 AM

Johnson is going to DESTROY Kos....And Kos really good....

Rumble will be calling GSP out after KOs Kos

Beebs

11-20-2009, 01:41 PM

BTW Anthony was a national wrestling champ in college so he's not stranger to fighting on the ground although he usually KO's his opponents without being forced to go there.

Community college; Koscheck was an undefeated Division one champion and had a second, third, and fourth place as well; large difference.

Spunik

11-20-2009, 03:08 PM

Community college; Koscheck was an undefeated Division one champion and had a second, third, and fourth place as well; large difference.

Lesnar was a JUCO champ at one time as well.....

Regardless Kos isn't going to be taken Johnson down anyhow....Johnson is as tough to take down as Liddell but with far more explosive striking option.....this Saturday starts the Rumble ERA!!!!

chimba

11-20-2009, 05:14 PM

GSP will MAUL Johnson, he eats strong muscle guys for a living

Beebs

11-20-2009, 07:52 PM

Lesnar was a JUCO champ at one time as well.....

Regardless Kos isn't going to be taken Johnson down anyhow....Johnson is as tough to take down as Liddell but with far more explosive striking option.....this Saturday starts the Rumble ERA!!!!

So are a lot of others, it doesn't mean you aren't good, it just isn't the indicator that an undefeated d1 championship with 3 other solid years are, or Lesnars moving on and winning a d1 championship.

Johnson only had one year, Lesnar and Kos were proven over and over.

In MMA Johnson is similarly unproven; what we know is he has trouble making weight, has huge power, but a suspect ground game. We know a lot more about Koscheck, and a hell of a lot more about GSP.

Flexb

11-20-2009, 09:08 PM

So are a lot of others, it doesn't mean you aren't good, it just isn't the indicator that an undefeated d1 championship with 3 other solid years are, or Lesnars moving on and winning a d1 championship.

Johnson only had one year, Lesnar and Kos were proven over and over.

In MMA Johnson is similarly unproven; what we know is he has trouble making weight, has huge power, but a suspect ground game. We know a lot more about Koscheck, and a hell of a lot more about GSP.

Trouble making wait coming off an injury

Beebs

11-20-2009, 11:57 PM

Certainly weighing in excess of 30 pounds over had nothing to do with it, either time.

Drunkenboxer

11-22-2009, 01:02 AM

:lol:

The eye gouging was a bit much though

Beebs

11-22-2009, 01:04 AM

GSP is to Johnson what Fedor is to Rogers.

Sorry to have insulted Rogers like that.

When you can't even win a 10 second period against Josh Koscheck even after illegally KO'ing him, you will not beat GSP. You do not deserve do mentioned in the same sentance as GSP. You should probably ask permission to be in the same building as GSP.

Nuke

11-22-2009, 01:06 AM

Good hopefully the hype of Anthony "The Finger" Johnson finally ends. The guy can't barely make weight and there is always a eye poke or 3 in every fight he is in.

Tko4

11-22-2009, 01:08 AM

Johnson vs. Hardy would be a fun striking match. But after seeing how easily Koscheck outwrestled Rumble, I have no doubt in my mind that GSP would rape Rumble and Hardy at the same time.

Nuke

11-22-2009, 01:12 AM

Beebs

11-22-2009, 01:14 AM

Lesnar was a JUCO champ at one time as well.....

Regardless Kos isn't going to be taken Johnson down anyhow....Johnson is as tough to take down as Liddell but with far more explosive striking option.....this Saturday starts the Rumble ERA!!!!

Not to be too insulting, but I have to do it :lol:

Ah, how sweet it is.

Let's break it down.

He did; at will.

Noteable people Liddell has stopped from taking him down and knocked out:
Randleman, Mezger, Babalu (twice), Overeem, Tito (twice), Randy (twice)

Notable people Johnson has stopped from taking him down and knocked out:
Tommy Speer, Kevin Burns, Lugi Fiorivanti, Yoshida.

You're right about everything except Koscheck took him down at will, outstruck him despite being illegally KO'd first, and Johnson doesn't have a fourth of the takedown defense or striking power as Liddell. Other than those things though; dead on.

Beebs

11-22-2009, 01:19 AM

Johnson vs. Hardy would be a fun striking match. But after seeing how easily Koscheck outwrestled Rumble, I have no doubt in my mind that GSP would rape Rumble and Hardy at the same time.

What about Kos' point about him being better than Dan Hardy?

I think Hardy should get the fight, just because it was promised, it is good for an English fighter to get a shot, Kos already fought GSP (not a champ fight though), and Kos is too close to his loses to both the Thiago's.

That said, I think Kos would beat Hardy quite handliy, and put up a much better fight than Hardy will against GSP (he already put up one good fight against GSP, a 3 rounder though)

jimmie

11-22-2009, 02:00 AM

What about Kos' point about him being better than Dan Hardy?

I think Hardy should get the fight, just because it was promised, it is good for an English fighter to get a shot, Kos already fought GSP (not a champ fight though), and Kos is too close to his loses to both the Thiago's.

That said, I think Kos would beat Hardy quite handliy, and put up a much better fight than Hardy will against GSP (he already put up one good fight against GSP, a 3 rounder though)

Would you agree with me in my saying that Koscheck is probablly the toughest fight in the UFCs Welterweight divison right now ? I just think if Koscheck would start wrestling more agian then he would give GSP a even tougher time then he did in the 1st fight and his striking is still improving. Not picking Koscheck at all but IMO style wise he is actually the biggest threat. If GSP still has an injury I would like to see Hardy really try and earn his shot vs Koscheck in February with the title shot up for grabs.

Beebs

11-22-2009, 02:05 AM

jimmie

11-22-2009, 02:12 AM

It is a tough call between him and Fitch, because they are both equally "tough", but Fitch is so single minded to taking you down and grinding it out. Kos could potentially get caught or worn down when he tries to strike, Fitch tends to just be "the terminator" like GSP said, constantly coming forward smothering you.

Kos probably has the higher ceiling in terms of absolute potential though.

Tough call.

Well thats why I choose Koscheck because Fitch's whole offensive game is geared towards takedowns and GNP which are nearly impossible vs GSP. Koscheck has the explosive power and id say a bit better wrestling then Fitch giving him more chances. Sucks though that we are discussing these rematches but they could possibly happen.

Flexb

11-22-2009, 02:59 AM

Good hopefully the hype of Anthony "The Finger" Johnson finally ends. The guy can't barely make weight and there is always a eye poke or 3 in every fight he is in.

Meanwhile it happens to him all the time. This was the first time I saw him poke an opponent. He was beating KOS and almost had him out but that few minutes Kos got to rest changed the momentum entirely and Rumble wasn't fighting the same -- he seemed more tentative.

Beebs

11-22-2009, 03:39 AM

Maybe he shouldn't have given him the time to rest by breaking the rules?

Monoxide

11-22-2009, 03:56 AM

Accidental fouls like that suck. Had Koscheck lost people could have said it was because of the foul. With Johnson losing people can say it was in part cause of the foul. The fight was plagued with fouls. I'd rather see Hardy vs GSP. Kos said that Hardy beat nobodies. I guess his partner Swick is a nobody? Neither will beat GSP but I'd rather see Hardy get the fight.

Kos was only recently stopped by Paulo Thiago. That fight is gonna hurt him for awhile I imagine

dublynflya

11-22-2009, 06:44 AM

Alves is certainly bigger than GSP but at most just slightly better stand-up. GSP repeatedly knocked Fitch to the ground in their fight with terrific counter-striking and fast precision punches. He also after his eye injury in the first Penn fight just dominated and kept Penn at bay with fantastic kicks. As far as strength I give GSP the edge as he dominated Alves on the ground and took him down at will. GSP is pound for pound one of the greats, up there with Fedor and the Spider.

I do believe that Alves, who is only a slightly better striker (If at all. Lest we forget that GSP began his UFC career as a "Striker") is a more DESTRUCTIVE ( I.e "One and they're gone") striker than the champ!! Of course, I only used Alves as an example to try and penetrate the thick skull of the guy who claimed that "Rumble Johnson would destroy GSP"!! Like you I believe that GSP (Who's talent/potential was obvious even in his fight against Jay Hieron!) is right up there with the great champions you mentioned (And BJ of couse).
P.S How about Alves-Johnson, for a fun fight to watch?

dublynflya

11-22-2009, 09:08 AM

:patsch

Rewind six months, delete "Anthony Johnson" and insert "Thiago Alves".

Fast forward another six months, delete "Anthony Johnson" and insert the name of the next badass who is ready to dethrone GSP.

GSP isn't going anywhere. He'll beat the Alves's and the Johnson's until he decides to stop.

:good I could not have put it any better!!! The only opponent who can defeat GSP (At this time and for the foreseeable future) is complacency and he has the best trainer in the world to ensure that is never a factor!!

dublynflya

11-22-2009, 09:22 AM

Meanwhile it happens to him all the time. This was the first time I saw him poke an opponent. He was beating KOS and almost had him out but that few minutes Kos got to rest changed the momentum entirely and Rumble wasn't fighting the same -- he seemed more tentative.

Both fighters had the same amount of "Rest"!! I agree, Rumble was not fighting the same as in the beginning of the fight (Not many fighters do!) and he was more tentative, but let's credit Kos with that!! The better man (On the night, which is all that counts really) won, but I would add that IF any of Kos's fingers deliberately found their way into Rumble's eyes that would be (Considering the major surgery Anthony has had) unforgiveable!!

fatcity

11-22-2009, 10:29 AM

Nice prediction!:patsch

Beebs

11-22-2009, 12:17 PM

Both fighters had the same amount of "Rest"!! I agree, Rumble was not fighting the same as in the beginning of the fight (Not many fighters do!) and he was more tentative, but let's credit Kos with that!! The better man (On the night, which is all that counts really) won, but I would add that IF any of Kos's fingers deliberately found their way into Rumble's eyes that would be (Considering the major surgery Anthony has had) unforgiveable!!

I would call it justice. When you knock a guy out with an illegal knee, and poke his eye (possibly twice), him poking your eye is the least you can suspect.

Flexb

11-22-2009, 12:22 PM

I would call it justice. When you knock a guy out with an illegal knee, and poke his eye (possibly twice), him poking your eye is the least you can suspect.

He didn't KO him with that knee. lol That knee mostly hit Kos' arm.

dublynflya

11-22-2009, 12:29 PM

Johnson vs. Hardy would be a fun striking match. But after seeing how easily Koscheck outwrestled Rumble, I have no doubt in my mind that GSP would rape Rumble and Hardy at the same time.

:lol: I think Rumble Johnson Vs Paul Daley would be an even better fight!! Not too sure about GSP raping Hardy AND Johnson at the same time. Even the champ doesn't have two dicks (Surely):nut.

Beebs

11-22-2009, 12:32 PM

He didn't KO him with that knee. lol That knee mostly hit Kos' arm.
It deflected of the arm onto the head. Beside that foul, there was the finger in the right eye, and possibly a finger in the left eye, before the replay of the illegal knee starts.

Kos outclassed Johnson despite a significant handicap. Kos is just the better fighter period.

dublynflya

11-22-2009, 12:53 PM

I would call it justice. When you knock a guy out with an illegal knee, and poke his eye (possibly twice), him poking your eye is the least you can suspect.

Kos appeared to take most of that knee on the arm (Mind you, it would still have hurt like hell!!). As for poking him in the eye, if any of those eye-pokes were deliberate then the guy(s) responsible should hang their head(s). I appreciate what you are saying (An eye for an eye, literally!!) and Rumble should know better (When you consider what he had to go through following the first Burns fight) but, in that situation how would you know if someone has deliberately poked you in the eye? If a fighter pokes his opponent in the eye simply because they got poked in the eye (When it may very well have been accidental) then that is not justice, it's stupidity! I would rather eye-poking was "Kept for the streets". MMA is still in it's infancy and the last thing we need is fighters applying the old "You foul, I foul" rule. The fighters and sport are (In my humble opinion) relatively foul free. I'd like it to stay like that.

dublynflya

11-22-2009, 01:03 PM

Would you agree with me in my saying that Koscheck is probablly the toughest fight in the UFCs Welterweight divison right now ? I just think if Koscheck would start wrestling more agian then he would give GSP a even tougher time then he did in the 1st fight and his striking is still improving. Not picking Koscheck at all but IMO style wise he is actually the biggest threat. If GSP still has an injury I would like to see Hardy really try and earn his shot vs Koscheck in February with the title shot up for grabs.

:good. A Hardy Vs Koscheck final eliminator really is the way to go isn't it? The UFC will make this fight surely? Especially if the champ is injured (I wasn't aware of that, thanks for putting me in the picture). It's interesting because "Semtex" Daley, who knocked out Kampmann (Who was due to fight Swick in a final eliminator) has kind of been put "On the back burner" and I see him as a more dangerous opponent (Than Hardy) for the champ (Who would beat Daley comfortably, of course!).

Flexb

11-22-2009, 01:43 PM

It deflected of the arm onto the head. Beside that foul, there was the finger in the right eye, and possibly a finger in the left eye, before the replay of the illegal knee starts.

Kos outclassed Johnson despite a significant handicap. Kos is just the better fighter period.

Anthony was outclassing Kos before the interruption. I honestly believe he got scared the fight was going to be stopped and probably felt like an idiot for kneeing him when he was down, much less the accidental eye poke. After the time-out it seemed like Kos came to life while Anthony got out of the rythme he was getting into nicely. He seemed so tense and unsure of himself after that. Good victory for Kos. Anthony needs to relax and be himself.

Ubersteve

11-22-2009, 02:03 PM

Anthony was outclassing Kos before the interruption.

lol

Flexb

11-22-2009, 02:05 PM

lol

I just watched it again. Outclass was an overstatement, I'll admit, but Anthony was winning and the momentum was going his way.

Ubersteve

11-22-2009, 02:07 PM

He was surviving, as soon as Kos attempted a few takedowns it became obvious he wasn't going to be able to stuff them all, Kos is just a far better wrestler.

rekcutnevets

11-22-2009, 02:10 PM

I was pissed at Koscheck for what I thought was acting. I was watching the fight through a small window, but I didn't see the knee or eye poke land. Looked like the ref should have issued a warning for attempting the knee, and let the fight commence.

I have no ill feelings on how things went down. Koscheck fought well enough to deserve my respect after the interruption. Although I thought Kos was faking, I don't think Johnson had him on the way out.

Beebs

11-22-2009, 03:23 PM

I just watched it again. Outclass was an overstatement, I'll admit, but Anthony was winning and the momentum was going his way.

It's a large overstatment; maybe, maybe, you have scored the round up until that point for Johnson because of the kicks, Kos was getting the better punches in though. It was more or less even.

The issue with scoring that early part of the fight is that Kos didn't start really wrestling yet; once Kos decided it was time to go to his bread and butter, and it actually worked unlike some thought, he was always going to win that fight.

No matter how much it might have hurt Johnson mentally, it hurt Koshcheck physically worse; there's no way you can make a point for getting a knee to the face and a finger in the eye helped Kos.

Now that discussion of Johnson being an elite contender is over, I will be the first to say if he just keeps doing what he is doing striking wise, and gets a little better on the ground, he has an immense future. His wrestlig will be good enough for all but the Kos', GSP's, and a select few others.

dublynflya

11-22-2009, 05:16 PM

i also think he will outstrike koshcheck for the first round but koskchecks superior wrestling will lead him to victory in round 2..

:good:good Good call!! Bang on the ££££!!

Flexb

11-22-2009, 05:37 PM

It's a large overstatment; maybe, maybe, you have scored the round up until that point for Johnson because of the kicks, Kos was getting the better punches in though. It was more or less even.

The issue with scoring that early part of the fight is that Kos didn't start really wrestling yet; once Kos decided it was time to go to his bread and butter, and it actually worked unlike some thought, he was always going to win that fight.

No matter how much it might have hurt Johnson mentally, it hurt Koshcheck physically worse; there's no way you can make a point for getting a knee to the face and a finger in the eye helped Kos.

Now that discussion of Johnson being an elite contender is over, I will be the first to say if he just keeps doing what he is doing striking wise, and gets a little better on the ground, he has an immense future. His wrestlig will be good enough for all but the Kos', GSP's, and a select few others.

Firstly, Anthony hurt Kos and just about dropped him with one of his strikes so I'd say Anthony was winning the striking battle.

Secondly, Kos wasn't hurt at all and way playing that whole eye and knee to the head thing up. Why was he holding his left eye when it was his right that was poked and Anthony's knee was no where near his left eye also.

Top Dog

11-22-2009, 08:18 PM

:lol::lol:Dream on bud

Flexb

11-22-2009, 08:28 PM

:lol::lol:Dream on bud

If I was dreaming i would be saying Kos' eye was really hurt and he wasn't actually just trying to buy time to recover from Rumble's strikes and overwhelming strength.:good

Nosbor

11-22-2009, 08:38 PM

Outerdrake must have an alternate account.

Flexb

11-22-2009, 09:17 PM

It's a large overstatment; maybe, maybe, you have scored the round up until that point for Johnson because of the kicks, Kos was getting the better punches in though. It was more or less even.

By Thomas Gerbasi:

"The fighters traded leg kicks to open the bout, with both waiting for the right moment to let their power shots go. By the second minute, the time was right for both to start winging their finishers, with Johnson holding an early edge thanks to his right hand. At the midway point of the round, Koscheck – having taken a couple hard shots – looked for the takedown, but Johnson held off the attempt. In an ensuing scramble, Johnson kneed his opponent to the head while he was still down, bringing a halt to the action as Johnson was docked a point by referee Mario Yamasaki and Koscheck received a visit from the Octagonside physician."

Like I said, Johnson was winning
:D

Beebs

11-22-2009, 10:45 PM

Beebs

11-22-2009, 10:48 PM

If I was dreaming i would be saying Kos' eye was really hurt and he wasn't actually just trying to buy time to recover from Rumble's strikes and overwhelming strength.:good

Well yes he was recoving from Johnsons striking, his illegal knee.

Flexb

11-22-2009, 10:52 PM

so by one account he was winning 1/6th of the fight; if he was, it was by a small margin. Anderson Silva usally doesn't look good for the first 2 minutes. It was a close fight up until the illegal knee /eye pokes, neither guy was remotely close to finishing it.

Fact is Kos beat him easily once he started taking him down, Koscheck is the better fighter.

I don't know what exactly you are trying to do with all this; suggest that had it not been for Jobnson's own 3 fouls he would have won because he landed a few more leg kicks in a two minute fight? That You still think Johnson is the better fghter? What is it?

Koscheck won, and won in fairly dominating fashion once he really got into his rhytem because he is the better fighter

Kos was better on the ground, yes. It wasn't 1/6 of the fight, more like 1/3 - 1/4 lol

Johnson didn't foul kos 3 times. He fouled him twice, maybe, but I still think that knee did nothing to affect Kos. Let's not forget kos poked both of Anthony's eyes right before his take down and finishing Anthony off.

Anthony's momentum was fuked once he got the point deducted. I think it affected him mentally but that's his own fault and inexperience. He didn't want to look like the bad guy.

On this night Kos was the better fighter. Anthony needs a little more experience and needs to relax more. He was tight as fuk and as soon as he got into his rhythm he let it get taken away from him.

Beebs

11-22-2009, 11:34 PM

By 1/6 I mean that the fight was scheduled for 3 rounds, at most Johnson won half a round.

What a joke; you think getting blasted by a knee "did nothing"? You're an idiot then, end of discussion. It wasn't just the knee and the finger the right eye, there was a thumb to the left eye before both of those.

Oh, his poor momentum; illegally kneeing his opponent really must have hurt him. Boy, lucky for josh he got that knee to the face, I bet he wishes he would get kneed to the face two or three times, then he could have finished it in the first round.

Kos wasn't just better "on the night," he is the better fighter period.

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socrates

11-23-2009, 08:15 AM

Where is the ts now?

Spunik

11-23-2009, 04:17 PM

Slightly off in my bold prediction...but someone has to go a bit against the grain in the MMA threads...gets kind of boring w/o drawing lines in the sand...

I did predict Ward would win everyround against Kessler....while not all the way true.... he whooped Kessler good....

Grievesy

11-23-2009, 06:06 PM

I have to admit that I thought that Johnson would beat Kos. I thought he'd be able to beat Kos standing and was doing slightly better standing before the knee to the head on the ground (which was fucking stupid). After that Koscheck seemed to wake up and once he took Johson down, exposed the weaknesses in Johnson's game. Koscheck is definately the better, more well rounded fighter.

Flexb

11-23-2009, 06:09 PM

By 1/6 I mean that the fight was scheduled for 3 rounds, at most Johnson won half a round.

What a joke; you think getting blasted by a knee "did nothing"? You're an idiot then, end of discussion. It wasn't just the knee and the finger the right eye, there was a thumb to the left eye before both of those.

Oh, his poor momentum; illegally kneeing his opponent really must have hurt him. Boy, lucky for josh he got that knee to the face, I bet he wishes he would get kneed to the face two or three times, then he could have finished it in the first round.

Kos wasn't just better "on the night," he is the better fighter period.

Dude, that knee was mostly taken on the arm. PLEASE. And show me where the other poke was. I looked and there was no contact there, Rogan didn't even say anything about that after replaying it 50 times.

Beebs

11-23-2009, 09:51 PM

Dude, that knee was mostly taken on the arm. PLEASE. And show me where the other poke was. I looked and there was no contact there, Rogan didn't even say anything about that after replaying it 50 times.

It is hard to tell if it actually was a thumb in the eye, but this was before the knee.
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As for the knee, if you think it hitting his forearm first made it "did nothing" (your words, not mine), you are insane; you can see it clearly connect, you can see his head snap back.

Since it "did nothing" would you volunteer to have Johnson knee you like that? Honestly, you think that knee to the dome "did nothing"? You honestly believe that?

It's bullshit, that knee was a legit shot; even it was fully blocked by the arm, which it was not, it still had power on it. You can't stop the force of a knee with your forearm.

Just get over it, Koscheck won the fight because he is the better fighter, and he did it despite a knee that could have ended the fight.

This is so stupid, what exactly are you trying to say? That Johnson should have won? That he is the better fighter? What, what is it? None of those things are true, and that was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

rekcutnevets

11-23-2009, 11:59 PM

Posted by Beebs
It is hard to tell if it actually was a thumb in the eye, but this was before the knee.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]'m glad you posted that photo. I watched the fight in a tiny window on my computer. I didn't see the knee land, and definitely called bullshit on the supposed eye gouge on the replay. I could be wrong about the knee, but it was insignificant from my tinier than usual view point. I thought the ref should have issued a warning and let the fight go. I really thought Koscheck was working hard for a DQ. That photo shows that he may have been poked in the eye all along.

I stated earlier in this thread that I have no problem with the outcome. I did not think that Koscheck was hurt enough to require a outcome changing break. Koscheck proved he was the better fighter without any doubt in my mind.

Flexb

11-24-2009, 11:28 AM

It is hard to tell if it actually was a thumb in the eye, but this was before the knee.
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As for the knee, if you think it hitting his forearm first made it "did nothing" (your words, not mine), you are insane; you can see it clearly connect, you can see his head snap back.

Since it "did nothing" would you volunteer to have Johnson knee you like that? Honestly, you think that knee to the dome "did nothing"? You honestly believe that?

It's bullshit, that knee was a legit shot; even it was fully blocked by the arm, which it was not, it still had power on it. You can't stop the force of a knee with your forearm.

Just get over it, Koscheck won the fight because he is the better fighter, and he did it despite a knee that could have ended the fight.

This is so stupid, what exactly are you trying to say? That Johnson should have won? That he is the better fighter? What, what is it? None of those things are true, and that was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You can cushion a knee to the dome if your arm is in the way so the shot isn't nearly as effective. lol I can't believe we're actually debating that.

I'm not saying anything but voicing opinions on some of the controversy surrounding the fight. But the bottome line is Yes, Kos won. Yes, Anthony lost. But it's fun to talk about regardless.