Racist quotes

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I am currently writing a school paper about boxing and I'm trying to find racist quotes against white boxers, something like hopkins saying that he'll never lose to a white boy.

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I thought of using hamed's "I ate well all my life and I'm still gonna knock him out" anybody has the full quote?

[Thread Stealer]

Alan Minter said he'd "never lose his title to a black man" before losing to Marvin Hagler. The fans threw bottles at Hagler after he won.

Research Jack Johnson's title run, particularly his fight with James Jeffries.

[Sdt]

I am looking for something the other way around, my research is about the belief of black superiority

[Addie]

Alan Minter said he'd "never lose his title to a black man" before losing to Marvin Hagler. The fans threw bottles at Hagler after he won.

Research Jack Johnson's title run, particularly his fight with James Jeffries.

Minter could brutalized, and for saying that shit, I'm glad he did. My dad was at that fight.

[Vantage_West]

look around the cooney-holmes fight

[Decy]

Alan Minter said he'd "never lose his title to a black man" before losing to Marvin Hagler. The fans threw bottles at Hagler after he won.

Research Jack Johnson's title run, particularly his fight with James Jeffries.

No Minter said I will not lose to that black man.By todays standards it is racist but is it any worse than what Hopkins said?.I am not trying to defend racism in any way it has no place anywhere but in boxing it has more potential for causing trouble.

[Dempsey1238]

Holmes comment on there will be NEVER be other white heavyweight champion.

Than 20 so years later, we got white guys taking over the alpha titles.

[GPater11093]

i could make one up for you

[SLAKKA]

You just might wanna consider the cause of black anger.

Slavery from 1620 till 1865. Quzi slavery-jim crow-share cropping from 1865 till 1960s



Several hundred years of being treated like shit never really endeared anyone as far as i can tell.

[faisal]

I thought of using hamed's "I ate well all my life and I'm still gonna knock him out" anybody has the full quote?
call me stupid but whats so prejudice about the above quote who was it directed to?

[Mendoza]

I am currently writing a school paper about boxing and I'm trying to find racist quotes against white boxers, something like hopkins saying that he'll never lose to a white boy.

Hopkins said this vs Clazaghe, then lost.

Holmes had a sharp tongue. He once called David Bey, who was a multi racial person a half breed.

Ali bad mouthed Jerry Quarry, and called him the last white hope.

Pedro Fernandez is horrible. Without a doubt he's the most racy of the boxing writers out there today.

[faisal]

commacho after the ramirez fight said words to the effect of ''pernell whitaker,tommy hearns,pryor all yo ******s common''
the videos here the rant starts at 5:40 i think when his head clears a few seconds later he realises what he just said:oops:

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[Dempsey1238]

But Hector was not white.

[Bill1234]

But Hector was not white.

Does that mean it wasn't racist?

[Dempsey1238]

Does that mean it wasn't racist?


Only the white man can be racist.

[Bill1234]

Only the white man can be racist.

Why?

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[Dempsey1238]

Why?

Rules are Rules. I dont know why either lol. :lol:

[Dempsey1238]

Why?


Because if other race does it, it is reverseracist.

[northernstar83]

Because if other race does it, it is reverseracist.

That is ridiculous

[kinski]

When all else fails blame whitey!!!

[Dempsey1238]

When all else fails blame whitey!!!


Yep. :D

[Dempsey1238]

That is ridiculous


Thats what the news is calling it any way.

See only the White man can be racist.

[kinski]

Africa still enslaves its own people and they immigrate to predominatly white countries. I'm confused!

[young griffo]

If you're looking for racist quotes from blacks against whites Muhammad Ali is your man.

As a puppet for the Nation of Islam in the 60's Ali made a series of statements against whites,mixed race marriages and homosexuals and strangely enough supportive of segregation.His views mellowed later (following the death of Elijah Muhammad and his son Warith Deen Muhammad taking over the NOI and adopting a more moderate stance) but at one stage Ali was definately racist towards whites.

As for out and out dumbarse redneck comments Wimpy Halsted when accused of being racist said "I don't have anything against blacks or Mexicans,everyone should own one"

Disgusting but sort of funny too.

[IntentionalButt]

But Hector was not white.

Really?

[Dempsey1238]

Really?

Latin.

[IntentionalButt]

Latin.

Latin is not defined as a race as are 'White', 'Black or African American', 'American Indian and Alaska Native', 'Asian' and 'Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander'. Latin/Hispanic people are classified as a mix of one or more of the above.

Camacho probably has some Taino blood if you go back far enough, but his ancestry is likely predominantly European.

[Hank]

Minter could brutalized, and for saying that shit, I'm glad he did. My dad was at that fight.

If your dad was at fight, why didn't he tell you reason they threw bottles?
A little before fight, Johnny Owens of Great Britan had been killed in fight in America, andas he was being taken out on stretcher, dying, fans threw bottles and cups----some filled with urine--on him. It was televised there, and led to bottle throwing after Hagler victory.

Messed up part is that fans who tossed bottles at Owens were mexicans, but since fight was held in America, United Statees fans took blame.

[MrMarvel]

I am currently writing a school paper about boxing and I'm trying to find racist quotes against white boxers, something like hopkins saying that he'll never lose to a white boy.

You mean bigoted quotes. Saying you will never lose to a white boy is a bigoted quote. But Hopkins is smart and political, and he may mean things like this as a criticism of the white establishment.

[MrMarvel]

I am looking for something the other way around, my research is about the belief of black superiority

Then you aren't writing about racism, STD. Racism is about structured disadvantage based on race. If you want to write about a country where blacks have oppressed whites for centuries and whites trail blacks in housing, income, employment, education, health care, etc., then you will need to find one first. Then you may have a paper on racism. But in the United States, it's blacks who trail whites in all these things.

It seems to me that your paper is itself may be based on a racist premise trying to claim that blacks are racist against whites and supporting that false premise with "evidence" in the form of quotes by white fighters about black fighters. What is your agenda, STD?

[MrMarvel]

Holmes comment on there will be NEVER be other white heavyweight champion.

Than 20 so years later, we got white guys taking over the alpha titles.

So Holmes was wrong.

[PetethePrince]

Then you aren't writing about racism, STD. Racism is about structured disadvantage based on race. If you want to write about a country where blacks have oppressed whites for centuries and whites trail blacks in housing, income, employment, education, health care, etc., then you will need to find one first. Then you may have a paper on racism. But in the United States, it's blacks who trail whites in all these things.

Writing about black or white superiority is indeed writing about racism. Structured disadvantage based on race is institutionalized racism based on the notion that one group of race is superior to another. Hell, you can look up racism and for 80% of the sources that will be the first thing linked. You don't have to write about institutionalized racism to write about racism. If you were writing about Jim Jeffries and how he believed that whites where superior and that he would never fight a black man. That is racist. The term racist/racism has tended to become distorted in time.

Not having a full fledged debate on the boxing board so I'll just leave at that.

[anarci]

Boricuas say that all the time ,part of the their slang,besides most boricuas are about 1/4 black. Its different if a Chicano says that because theres no mixed blood lines there,and theres no love lost between Mexicanos/Black. Im sure many have heard the quote from oscar(African americans dont have heart) That quote seemed to go away?

[Sister Sledge]

Does that mean it wasn't racist?

Camacho didn't mean to say that in a racist way. It's just the way he talks. He's a Puerto Rican from New York City. They use the N-word for each other just as much as we do.

[Sister Sledge]

Because if other race does it, it is reverseracist.

There is no such thing as reverse racism. Reverse racism is some bullshit fabricated by white people when they feel like they are being discriminated against, like it's not supposed to be that way. It's just racism.

[essexboy]

Then you aren't writing about racism, STD. Racism is about structured disadvantage based on race. If you want to write about a country where blacks have oppressed whites for centuries and whites trail blacks in housing, income, employment, education, health care, etc., then you will need to find one first. Then you may have a paper on racism. But in the United States, it's blacks who trail whites in all these things.

It seems to me that your paper is itself may be based on a racist premise trying to claim that blacks are racist against whites and supporting that false premise with "evidence" in the form of quotes by white fighters about black fighters. What is your agenda, STD?

Did nobody else find the error in name amusing here? Just me? I asked my doctor what my STD's agenda was as well, not a story you want to hear I can assure you.

[red cobra]

Does that mean it wasn't racist?
Of course it wasn't...didn't you know that only white people are racists?

[red cobra]

Muhammad Ali, in a magazine interview, said he would "never let his children shake the hand of a white man".

[Unforgiven]

This thread's just crying out for a Louis Farrakhan Interlude :rofl :

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[Meast]

This thread's just crying out for a Louis Farrakhan Interlude :rofl :

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[mrbassie]

You just might wanna consider the cause of black anger.

Slavery from 1620 till 1865.

Nobody currently alive is responsible for that so who is your anger directed at?

[Unforgiven]

I can not think of any answer to the thread topic, but here's the great Muhammad Ali making fun of a black man by calling him a "Gorilla" :

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[lefthook89]

Did nobody else find the error in name amusing here? Just me? I asked my doctor what my STD's agenda was as well, not a story you want to hear I can assure you.

i think he wrote it like that on purpose as to why its in caps everytime he uses it. i think its because he can see that the OP does have a secret agenda, i dont buy that "school project" bullshit for a second.

[lefthook89]

I am looking for something the other way around, my research is about the belief of black superiority


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[Sdt]

Writing about black or white superiority is indeed writing about racism. Structured disadvantage based on race is institutionalized racism based on the notion that one group of race is superior to another. Hell, you can look up racism and for 80% of the sources that will be the first thing linked. You don't have to write about institutionalized racism to write about racism. If you were writing about Jim Jeffries and how he believed that whites where superior and that he would never fight a black man. That is racist. The term racist/racism has tended to become distorted in time.

Not having a full fledged debate on the boxing board so I'll just leave at that.

To be more precise, my paper is about the reasons why there seems to be a bias against white europeans in boxing, it is not limited to a kind of racism, but it has more to do with ethnocentrism. It seems however that there is a stereotype of the black supremacy in boxing, that white fighters are inferiors.

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Just in the way that people believe that black makes better boxers, nothing to do with the segregation.

[IntentionalButt]

Guys, some of us surf at work, what the fuck.

Expect better from the Classic Forum than graphic images posted to sensationalize a point. Use your words. :twisted:

[janitor]

You just might wanna consider the cause of black anger.

Slavery from 1620 till 1865. Quzi slavery-jim crow-share cropping from 1865 till 1960s

Several hundred years of being treated like shit never really endeared anyone as far as i can tell.

I the 1600s and 1700s thousands of white British people were taken into slavery by barbary coast slave traders.

Some of the southern coastal towns got completely depopulated.

I don't use it as an excuse for holding racist atitues.

[Sdt]

BTW racism is not limited to white versus black, a hispanic could be racist against black and a black could be racist against arabs or white. And I don't take any stance in my paper, i am just writing about it because it is a nice subject, I am not saying black make better boxers or not, I am just trying to look into what seems to have become a belief. I also talk about how black were discriminated against during the history of boxing, I don't have trouble finding quotes for that part though.

[Sdt]

i think he wrote it like that on purpose as to why its in caps everytime he uses it. i think its because he can see that the OP does have a secret agenda, i dont buy that "school project" bullshit for a second.

Well I can post it here after I am done with it, what the hell do you mean by secret agenda? I just asked here because a lot of people on this board knows more about boxing than I do.

[Unforgiven]

BTW racism is not limited to white versus black, a hispanic could be racist against black and a black could be racist against arabs or white. And I don't take any stance in my paper, i am just writing about it because it is a nice subject, I am not saying black make better boxers or not, I am just trying to look into what seems to have become a belief. I also talk about how black were discriminated against during the history of boxing, I don't have trouble finding quotes for that part though.

Maybe there aren't many examples of black boxers dissing white boxers racially. I cant think of any off-hand, outside of Hopkins.
But then again, I'm quick to forget all the pathetic trash-talking nonsense some boxers spout.

One thing you might want to include if this is about a peception of black superiority in boxing, is something Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder, Las Vegas bookie and sports pundit, was critcized for saying on American TV in the late 1980s.

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On January 16, 1988, he was fired by the CBS network (where he was a contributor to the NFL Today program since 1976) after commenting to WRC-TV reporter Ed Hotaling in a Washington, D.C. restaurant that African Americans were naturally superior athletes at least in part because they had been bred to produce stronger offspring during slavery:
“The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.”

According to the New York Times obituary, Snyder expressed regret for his comments, remarking: "What a foolish thing to say."


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I actually think the guy had a valid theory which would be worth debating in an open society that had come to terms with it's racist past - obviously, America had NOT (is not) a secure and harmonious enough place to bring up such matters.
Jimmy Snyder was wrongfully criticized, IMO. What he said wasn't racist, it was just too raw and real for a mainstream audience, too close to the bone, historically speaking.

And, anyway, who would expect a 70 year-old Las Vegas bookie who goes by the name "Jimmy The Greek" to be politically correct ? :lol:

[Dempsey1238]

Maybe there aren't many examples of black boxers dissing white boxers racially. I cant think of any off-hand, outside of Hopkins.
But then again, I'm quick to forget all the pathetic trash-talking nonsense some boxers spout.

One thing you might want to include if this is about a peception of black superiority in boxing, is something Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder, Las Vegas bookie and sports pundit, was critcized for saying on American TV in the late 1980s.

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On January 16, 1988, he was fired by the CBS network (where he was a contributor to the NFL Today program since 1976) after commenting to WRC-TV reporter Ed Hotaling in a Washington, D.C. restaurant that African Americans were naturally superior athletes at least in part because they had been bred to produce stronger offspring during slavery:
“The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.”
According to the New York Times obituary, Snyder expressed regret for his comments, remarking: "What a foolish thing to say."


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I actually think the guy had a valid theory which would be worth debating in an open society that had come to terms with it's racist past - obviously, America had NOT (is not) a secure and harmonious enough place to bring up such matters.
Jimmy Snyder was wrongfully criticized, IMO. What he said wasn't racist, it was just too raw and real for a mainstream audience, too close to the bone, historically speaking.

And, anyway, who would expect a 70 year-old Las Vegas bookie who goes by the name "Jimmy The Greek" to be politically correct ? :lol:


Breeding does not always come out with the best off spring.

Not evey thing is perfect.

Were was this breeded adg when Marciano beat Charles and Moore??
Or Byrd vs the Kilt younger?? Or Rahman for that matter??

Blacks can beat whites, and vice vesa, its more than just genes.

[Unforgiven]

Breeding does not always come out with the best off spring.

Not evey thing is perfect.

Were was this breeded adg when Marciano beat Charles and Moore??
Or Byrd vs the Kilt younger?? Or Rahman for that matter??

Blacks can beat whites, and vice vesa, its more than just genes.

Of course.
But genes are relevant.

The Klitschkos are actually the best example of it. The two best heavyweights in the world and very close genetically.

If you bred Vitali Klitschko with Laila Ali, I reckon you'd have a strong chance of producing a boy with physical gifts that would put him at a great advantage for becoming a champion.

A far far greater chance than the average couple.

[Dempsey1238]

Of course.
But genes are relevant.

The Klitschkos are actually the best example of it. The two best heavyweights in the world and very close genetically.

If you bred Vitali Klitschko with Laila Ali, I reckon you'd have a strong chance of producing a boy with physical gifts that would put him at a great advantage for becoming a champion.

A far far greater chance than the average couple.

Too many odds and ends,

Dempsey's family were a average couple.

So was Joe Louis, and Rocky Marciano's.

So are the Kilts. Non of there familys were perfect genes and buildy types. Hell Marciano's father was as skinny as a stick. Were Louis's mom was fat and over weight(And so was his dad a little).

[joeboxer]

hasn't james toney made racist quotes?

[The Mongoose]

While you have fighters like Hopkins saying stupid things, I can assure you a great deal of the "superior American black athlete" myth stems from white Americans. Obviously Basketball but the point stands, didn't Larry Bird once say, "Don't put no white player on me, don't disrespect my game. African Americans are the greatest athletes in the world, don't disrespect me by guarding me with a white player. " Something to that effect.

[(PimpThaSystem)]

I recall an interview where Floyd Mayweather dissed MMA saying that it was a sport invented by white people because they suck at boxing.

[Xplosive]

commacho after the ramirez fight said words to the effect of ''pernell whitaker,tommy hearns,pryor all yo ******s common''
the videos here the rant starts at 5:40 i think when his head clears a few seconds later he realises what he just said:oops:

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Hector didnt mean it in a racist way you simp. Camacho is a Rican from Spanish Harlem. He used the term in the slang way "*****", and coming from a Rican in that environment, its acceptable to say "*****". And he put fuckin Ray Mancini's name in the mix, so obviously he wasnt tryin to single out blacks. In NYC Ricans & blacks traditionally have lived in the same neighborhoods, and more or less grouped together. I'm black, and I'm not offended by Hector sayin "*****".

[bigG]

i seem to remember tommy morrison and randall cob alluding to the fact that when they fought black fighters, even cans they were lined up to beat, the fighters fought a lot harder than they usually did against other black fighters, cos the stigma of loseing to white boy was just toooo much!!!

[SLAKKA]

Nobody currently alive is responsible for that so who is your anger directed at?

u edited my comment, u give good weasel!
Full comment below

Im white btw

You just might wanna consider the cause of black anger.

Slavery from 1620 till 1865. Quzi slavery-jim crow-share cropping from 1865 till 1960s



Several hundred years of being treated like shit never really endeared anyone as far as i can tell.

[SLAKKA]

I the 1600s and 1700s thousands of white British people were taken into slavery by barbary coast slave traders.

Some of the southern coastal towns got completely depopulated.

I don't use it as an excuse for holding racist atitues.
Getting treated like shit and having it end in the 1700s just might not compare with the reality of my post...hello??

Slavery from 1620 till 1865. Quzi slavery-jim crow-share cropping from 1865 till 1960s

Several hundred years of being treated like shit never really endeared anyone as far as i can tell.

[Dempsey1238]

Getting treated like shit and having it end in the 1700s just might not compare with the reality of my post...hello??

Slavery from 1620 till 1865. Quzi slavery-jim crow-share cropping from 1865 till 1960s

Several hundred years of being treated like shit never really endeared anyone as far as i can tell.


Hell yeah, I am still piss of the white man taking my land.

And cutting up our Women' virgins for purses.

[apollack]

From John L. Sullivan: The Career of the First Gloved Heavyweight Champion, by Adam Pollack.

(Re Peter Jackson’s Dec. 1888 victory over Joe McAuliffe):

San Francisco’s black population rejoiced at Jackson’s victory:

"The colored population of San Francisco have not had such a jubilee since Mr. Lincoln signed the Emancipation proclamation…Every one of them had money on Jackson, but deeper even than the pleasure of winning was their joy at the victory of race…. Every one that had bet jingled coin in his pocket, and for once was disposed to dispute the superiority of any other race than his own."

Such statements were a sign that boxing had symbolic social implications which extended beyond a mere single sporting event, and may in part explain why the color line was so important to many whites.

Quote was from San Francisco Examiner, 12-30-88.

This is from In the Ring With James J. Corbett, by Adam Pollack.

Sullivan’s opinions were a reflection of something deeper than a mere assessment of abilities, but rather a belief that the races should not compete. This was not an uncommon feeling about race relations. The day before Corbett defeated Sullivan, at the Olympic, a Canadian black fighter named George Dixon, who was the world’s featherweight champion and the first and only black world champion at the time, defeated a white fighter named Jack Skelly in the 8th round. It was reported that blacks were so triumphant that,

"[T]hey are loudly proclaiming the superiority of their race, to the great scandal of the whites, who declare that they should not be encouraged to entertain even feelings of equality, much less of superiority. The Olympic Club management have about decided not to hold any more colored contests."

The New York Herald said that the making of a mixed race bout had caused “sharp criticism and much indignation” and it was felt that “if a white man puts himself on a level with a negro in a pugilistic contest he deserves to be thoroughly and completely thumped.” It was believed that while such contests could occur in the North, “where there are very few negroes,” such contests in the South could only “arouse a bitter feeling between the races which will lead to bloody affrays.”
The Times-Democrat wrote that it had been a serious mistake to match a white and black, one that it hoped would not be repeated. It noted that although there had been fair play, “it was a disagreeable duty to all Southern men present.”

"It was a mistake to match a negro and a white man, a mistake to bring the races together on any terms of equality, even in the prize ring…for, among the ignorant negroes the idea has naturally been created that it was a test of the strength and fighting powers of Caucasian and African. … [T]he colored population of this city…because of [Dixon’s] victory…are far more confident than they ever were before of the equality of the races, and disposed to claim more for themselves than we intend to concede. … We of the South who know the fallacy and danger of this doctrine of race equality, who are opposed to placing the negro on any terms of equality, who have insisted on a separation of the races in church, hotel, car, saloon and theatre; who believe that the law ought to step in and forever forbid the idea of equality by making marriages between them illegal, are heartily opposed to any arrangement encouraging this equality, which give negroes false ideas and dangerous beliefs. … Some may argue that there is no race question in the prize ring. We think differently. …
Mr. John L. Sullivan has set a good example in this matter. … [H]e has persistently refused to meet a negro in the ring. No one can believe that he has done this for any other reasons than his confidence that such contests place the races more or less on terms of equality."

…

Later in the book:

There was an open cognizance of race in the sport, even in newspaper analysis. One writer in July 1894 opined,

"Up to date very few of the colored stars of the fistic world have gone wrong or finished second best in meetings with white men. Nearly all their matches have been with whites. The colored champions, Peter Jackson, Frank Craig, Joe Walcott, Bobby Dobbs, Jerry Marshall, and George Dixon, have seldom, if ever, given battle to men of their own race…. It is humiliating, perhaps, but the bald pate fact seems to be that in the roped arena Africa has walked away with the top knot in nearly every encounter with the boasted “superior race.” Joe Choynski and Peter Maher, in the defeats they administered to George Godfrey, are pretty much the only exceptions to the rule of recent pugilism…. Is the cause that the white man in pugilism obstinately refuses to deny himself and to train scrupulously and be manageable like the colored one? Or is there really something in the difference of structure of the two races which makes a white man weaker in the parts above the belt that are, by the rules, made a fair target for fist smashes?
Maher has toppled over Craig, Corbett should do Jackson, and Plimmer is very likely to lower Dixon’s colors. A new supply of colored stock will then be needed."

[janitor]

Getting treated like shit and having it end in the 1700s just might not compare with the reality of my post...hello??

Slavery from 1620 till 1865. Quzi slavery-jim crow-share cropping from 1865 till 1960s

Several hundred years of being treated like shit never really endeared anyone as far as i can tell.

In world war II most European countries had sombody else in Europe droping bombs on their cities.

This was within either dad or grandads memory for prety much everybody today.

British people still go on holliday in Germany and don't make an issue of it and vice versa.

[Blood Green]

Getting treated like shit and having it end in the 1700s just might not compare with the reality of my post...hello??

Slavery from 1620 till 1865. Quzi slavery-jim crow-share cropping from 1865 till 1960s

Several hundred years of being treated like shit never really endeared anyone as far as i can tell.
:lol:

[nastynas]

Does that mean it wasn't racist?

Are we going to pretend like nuyoricans do not use the same language as african americans there?

[Bill1234]

i seem to remember tommy morrison and randall cob alluding to the fact that when they fought black fighters, even cans they were lined up to beat, the fighters fought a lot harder than they usually did against other black fighters, cos the stigma of loseing to white boy was just toooo much!!!

I can actually relate to this. In the gym the blacks and hispanics try to kill me constantly in sparring. A month or two ago one said to my trainer (which I heard) "I don't want to lose to the white boy."

[bigG]

tex cobb is alleged to have looked at ref. mills lane during the holmes beatdown and said, hey man, your white...cant you DO something about this.....

gotta love randall....gotta be a good book in that guy...

[dabox]

I can actually relate to this. In the gym the blacks and hispanics try to kill me constantly in sparring. A month or two ago one said to my trainer (which I heard) "I don't want to lose to the white boy."



hmmm i never had much issue about hispanics, they seem preety cool with white fighters and whites from from ussr as myself....

they always say man you guys are good at boxing etc


the same sadly cannot always be said about blacks lol

at a gym i used to train at, we had a former canadian heavyweight champ who was black as one of the coaches.....


he would say ohh there are no good heavyweights now, just a bunch of russians,
i would reply if the russians could always turn pro, i guess there would never be any great heavyweights hahahaha

all of this was done in a joking matter ofcourse

[Unforgiven]

Too many odds and ends,

Dempsey's family were a average couple.

So was Joe Louis, and Rocky Marciano's.

So are the Kilts. Non of there familys were perfect genes and buildy types. Hell Marciano's father was as skinny as a stick. Were Louis's mom was fat and over weight(And so was his dad a little).

Genetics are only a part of athletic success, and relevant when you look at the general picture rather than individual cases.

And, of course, the physical build or form of untrained, underfed and overfed family members is no real indication of genes anyway.

Hard work, determination and fighting spirit is what builds champions. But some people ARE advantaged by their genetic ability, and others are relatively disadvantaged.
As harsh as it sounds, I do believe there are fighters who have worked their guts out trying to be champions, and really believed in themselves, but at some point they just came up against a few guys who were just as determined and hard working but were also blessed with greater physical capabilities (speed, power, chin, capacity to build strength and stamina), fighters who were just naturally better.

Where all this relates to the issue of "race" and Jimmy The Greek's "slavery days" theory is in a very general sense.
Personally, I think it's clear that the sucess of African American athletes is almost entirely due to historical socio-economic factors.
But I dont think it's unreasonable to suggest that some sort of slavery-eugenics, historical hardships and the west African genes have made a sizeable number of African-Americans within the group fairly strong, or fast, or resilient, very generally speaking.
Just as it's not unreasonable to suggest that Ukrainians and other whites from the Slavic and Eurasian regions are, generally as a group, fairly big and blessed with upper body strength. Through genes.
Just as it's not unreasonable to suggest that East Africans as a group are generally genetically more suited to distance running that either of the aforementioned "racial groups".

Boxing success is based on so many varied attributes and can be earned through so many different methods that it's unlikely that any general racial group is more suited than another for boxing per se.
There is some sort of ethnicity-spectrum in the weight classes though, (although it changes due to other trends, the flyweights and the heavyweights are unlikely to be generally from the same nations/races) and it's not just body mass that belongs in the "genetic" gifts that might contribute to boxing success.

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Ali's grandfather was white. Africa has exploited its own people long b4 the white man even set foot there. Every country in the world @ 1 point has had slavery and some still do.