Fights that could of and should but never happend

[cotto20]

Jake la motta vs Charlry Burley
La motta never avoided no one and beat and lost to holman williams and lloyd marshall who were both just as good as burley, was this fight ever close to happening? both at there best i think jake beats burley

When Both Were welterweight world champion's
Pipino Cuevas vs Ray Learnard it was spoke about but nothing more, what a great clash of stlyles. I think ray stops cuevas in 8

Marvin Hagler vs Herol Graham graham was calling out hagler for years, but by that time hagler only wanted super fights. I think graham upsets the 1985 hagler, his hi and move style was all wrong for hagler by then

Tony Ayala vs Roberto Duran was close to happening but duran lost to kirklind lang and then tony went to jail. I think duran breaks ayala down and stops him late

Carlos Monzon vs Hugo Pastor Corro a year or so after monzon retired corro went on to beat valdez and become champion, was monzon ever tempted to come back and fight him in what would of been argie's biggest fight of all time? also while monzon was champion corro was a contender why didnt it happen then? I think monzon wins this on points or late stoppage

What are your thoughts on these fights there out comes and why they never happend?

[cotto20]

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[Sweet Pea]

Any version of Hagler should've been enough to knock Graham out, IMO. Graham was more of an ugly, extremely unorthodox spoiler than a pure boxer. Too flawed defensively to handle Hagler's barrage.

[cotto20]

Any version of Hagler should've been enough to knock Graham out, IMO. Graham was more of an ugly, extremely unorthodox spoiler than a pure boxer. Too flawed defensively to handle Hagler's barrage.
how about the other fights in the thread?

[thejokerswild]

Not real educated on the older stuff so I'll be a newb and say -

Lennox Lewis v Riddick Bowe

Riddick Bowe v Mike Tyson

James Toney v Bernard Hopkins

Prime Trinidad v Prime RJJ

Trinidad - Mosley

Prime Hopkins v Prime RJJ (Bhop was too green for their first fight)

Liston - Marciano

Foreman - Tyson

Foreman - Holmes

Tyson - Early Holyfield

Tyson - Foreman

Hearns - Hagler 2

KLITSCHKO v KLITSCHKO

Naseem Hamed v many people

Mosley - Hatton would be pretty good but unlikely

Mosley - Judah or Judah - Hatton
um thats enough, good to think about those.

[cotto20]

Add Rocky Marciano vs Sonny Liston to that list. Marciano/Liston in 1956 could've been an upset.
one of the best fights never to happen, listons jab against the rock's right hand

[thejokerswild]

Add Rocky Marciano vs Sonny Liston to that list. Marciano/Liston in 1956 could've been an upset.
I believe this also.

[Bill1234]

Add Rocky Marciano vs Sonny Liston to that list. Marciano/Liston in 1956 could've been an upset.

Was Liston even rated in the top 10 in 1956?

[bladerunner]

Shane Mosley-Stevie Johnston
Naseem Hamed-Juan Manuel Marquez
Johny Tapia-Mark Johnson
Ricardo Lopez-Carbajal/Gonzalez

[cotto20]

Lots more, but a good few fights I would of loved to seen and at one point or another could of been made. I will add some more later.

-Peter Jackson vs John L Sulivan
-Sam Langford vs Jack Johnson II
-Jack Dempsey vs Harry Willis
-Jack Dempsey vs Harry Greb
-Maxie Rosenbloom vs Max Schmeling
-Benny Leonard vs Micky Walker
-Henry Amstrong vs Charley Burley
-Tony Canzoneri vs Henry Armstrong
-Marcel Cerdan vs Ray Robinson
-Archie Moore vs Jake Lamotta
-Holman Williams vs Tony Zale
-Jake Lamotta vs Rocky Graziano
-Ray Robinson vs Dick Tiger
-Sonny Liston vs Joe Frazier
-Jose Napoles vs Nicolino Locche
-Jeff Chandler vs Wilfredo Gomez
-Carlos Monzon vs Bob Foster
-Tony Ayala Jr vs Roberto Duran
-Ray Leonard vs Aaron Pyror
-Eusebio Pedroza vs Salvador Sanchez
-Larry Holmes vs George Foreman
-George Foreman vs Mike Tyson
-Michael Moorer vs Ray Mearcer
-Gerald McClellan vs Roy Jones Jr
-Ike Quartey vs Felix Trinidad
-Kostya Tszyu vs Pernell Whitaker
-Terry Norris vs Julio Cesar Vasquez
-Riddick Bowe vs Lennox Lewis
-Mark Johnson vs Yuri Arbachakov
-Naseem Hamed vs Floyd Mayweather

[cotto20]

read the first thread i wanted your thoughts on the fights i listed, reasons they never happend, how they would of went, i did not want a list of everyt one with there best fights not to happen

[McGrain]

Jake la motta vs Charlry Burley
La motta never avoided no one and beat and lost to holman williams and lloyd marshall who were both just as good as burley, was this fight ever close to happening? both at there best i think jake beats burley

The version of Williams that LaMotta beat was past-prime by distance and LaMotta beat him by a whisker in an MD that was booed by sections of the crowd. That's the popular white swarmer being booed in favour of the old, black slickster...very close fight. Prime for prime Burley wins that one IMO.

Burley was keen and offers were made but LaMotta was not. The reported quote was:"What do I need Burley for when I have Zivic?"

[cotto20]

The version of Williams that LaMotta beat was past-prime by distance and LaMotta beat him by a whisker in an MD that was booed by sections of the crowd. That's the popular white swarmer being booed in favour of the old, black slickster...very close fight. Prime for prime Burley wins that one IMO.

Burley was keen and offers were made but LaMotta was not. The reported quote was:"What do I need Burley for when I have Zivic?"
la motta said that?

[McGrain]

la motta said that?


Accoridng to Harry Otty, yes he did.

[TheGreatA]

The version of Williams that LaMotta beat was past-prime by distance and LaMotta beat him by a whisker in an MD that was booed by sections of the crowd. That's the popular white swarmer being booed in favour of the old, black slickster...very close fight. Prime for prime Burley wins that one IMO.

Burley was keen and offers were made but LaMotta was not. The reported quote was:"What do I need Burley for when I have Zivic?"

I've always seen the fight listed as a unanimous decision.

[McGrain]

I've always seen the fight listed as a unanimous decision.

Aye, me too.

[Titan1]

Eusebio Pedroza-Salvador Sanchez
Michael Spinks-Matthew Saad Muhammad
Greg Page-Michael Dokes
Donald Curry-Bobby Joe Young.
Milton McCrory-Marlon Starling.

[janitor]

For me the big one is Barbados Joe Walcott vs Tommy Ryan.

A winner there would have had a good claim to the the #1 all time welter.

[cotto20]

For me the big one is Barbados Joe Walcott vs Tommy Ryan.

A winner there would have had a good claim to the the #1 all time welter.
very intresting match up how would you see it going? would ryan be strong enough to hold walcot off?

[Addie]

Ricardo Lopez vs Michael Carbajal at Light Flyweight
Ricardo Lopez vs Humberto Gonzalez at Light Flyweight
Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez at Featherweight
Michael Nunn vs Thomas Hearns at Middleweight

[janitor]

very intresting match up how would you see it going? would ryan be strong enough to hold walcot off?

Not an easy one to call with no film of either fighter.

Ryan was the more consistent of the two and had better results vs common oponents. He also fought them under more favourable circumstances and to a less hectic schedule.

Walcott could be outboxed but it wasn't easy. If you went toe to toe with him you were prety much toast provided you weighed less than 175 lbs. He was a bit like Paquio in that bigger oponents just represented an easier target.

Ryan was probably the best pure boxer of the period and he was a pound for pound puncher to boot. This combination might be enough for him to overcome Walcott. Having said that Walcott brought a lot of pressure to his oponents and he seems to have wanted the fight more than Ryan.

If you put a gun to my head I would probably bet on Walcott based on his best performences, despite the fact that he was less consistant. It would not be a confident pick though.

[ThinBlack]

Tim Witherspoon vs Mike Weaver
Marvin Johnson vs Dwight Qawi
James Shuler vs Roberto Duran
Mike McCallum vs Wilfred Benitez
Ray Mancini vs Edwin Rosario.