Randy Couture vs Mark Coleman? [Archive]

jimmie

11-17-2009, 09:55 AM

Couture can still fight so if he wants to fight and still can that STFU and let him. G.A.V it was apart of him gameplan agianst Vera and that was mostly it although im sure he expected more then just a brief takedown in the 1st round, when Couture let go with combos,dirty boxing,those great elbows in the 3rd he looked solid and its what won him the round IMO regardless of Vera's brief control. Achilles he is 46 and has been old for years and years we all know that but its not about how old you are its about how young you feel I doubt Couture feels anywhere near 50. Coleman isnt Vera and you would see that in Randy's approach because he would light him up in the standup cause Coleman is awful there.

rekcutnevets

11-17-2009, 10:15 AM

I would like to see this fight now, but I really wanted a few years back. Coleman could take Couture down a few years ago, and Couture would have been forced to work off his back. That was a big Mark Coleman, who was probably juicing.

It's still a decent fight now, but I would have to favor Couture. Couture will most likely control the clinch, and stand-up for that matter, but it will be very interesting if Coleman can take this fight to the ground.

scurlaruntings

11-17-2009, 02:26 PM

(PimpThaSystem)

11-17-2009, 04:44 PM

Mark is finished. He only fights on fumes now. Its sad to see what he's become now in comparison to his prime but the fat lady is screaming very loudly. Id prefer not to see Mark humilated anymore espcially not down at 205 as he has no business there.

WTF are you are talking about? Mark just beat Stephan Bonnar and went life and death with Shogun who knocked out Lidell and who many feel should have got the dec over Machida. Coleman is still very strong and his wrestling would give anyone fits at 205.

achillesthegreat

11-17-2009, 05:22 PM

Couture is old, just like Hopkins. Both have slowed down. They just became smarter, look after their body better, improve their skills etc

The fight versus Vera was a true smart old man fight.

Randy doesn't have a legendary chin but every time Nog landed I felt uneasy.

scurlaruntings

11-17-2009, 05:36 PM

WTF are you are talking about? Mark just beat Stephan Bonnar and went life and death with Shogun who knocked out Lidell and who many feel should have got the dec over Machida. Coleman is still very strong and his wrestling would give anyone fits at 205.I take it you started watching MMA yesterday.

québecwarrior

11-17-2009, 06:37 PM

(PimpThaSystem)

11-17-2009, 09:34 PM

I take it you started watching MMA yesterday.

his wrestling would give anyone fits, for 12 seconds. After that, he is gassed.

Considering Coleman didn't come close to gassing in his last fight, I take it yall haven't even seen Coleman/Bonnar, in which case you should STFU and search for it on google vid. Otherwise your posts should have more to them than misguided bullshit.

I might not have 18,000 posts but I know what I'm talking about.

Beebs

11-17-2009, 09:38 PM

He did gas, and he is clearly not nearly what he once was, but the guy makes a point, even a gassed, old, and weaker Coleman can take down most 205er's.

LB3000

11-17-2009, 10:19 PM

Looks like this fight may actually happen. :lol:

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latineg

11-18-2009, 12:04 AM

I take it you started watching MMA yesterday.

it waz a solid point dont deny it with bullshit thatz unsportzmanlike

jimmie

11-18-2009, 12:39 AM

Looks like this fight may actually happen. :lol:

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I kinda got a kick out of it when I read it on sherdog. As a Couture fan I love it because its a fight he will most likely win. Since its only after month after id like to see Randy get in there with the Rashad-Thiago so if Randy does get another title noboddy can say the same old shit like hes overatted and didnt deserve it. Im not saying hes beating everyone im just dreaming alittle.

liger05

11-18-2009, 08:58 AM

A joke of a fight.

rekcutnevets

11-18-2009, 11:56 AM

Coleman is past his peak, and may be older at 44 than Randy is at 46. Coleman still isn't shot. Coleman was more than just competitive with Shogun, and defeated Bonnar.

Randy should win if he keeps the fight standing. It's not a done deal for Coleman if he takes Couture down, but Coleman did exhibit technical superiority to Dan Severn many years ago.

snakey112

11-18-2009, 12:05 PM

their wrestling is probably about equal but I think randy's cardio and dirty boxing will win him this fight

Polymath

11-18-2009, 12:07 PM

Coleman still has a good double leg left in him, but thats about it. Even if he could take Randy down, he couldn't grapple with Randy for long without getting worn out and overwhelmed. Standing, Randy KO'd him. hAving said that, Coleman looked a lot better against Bonnar and it seemed he was right about a new camp really helping, but Randy is and has been competing at a way higher level for years now.

scurlaruntings

11-18-2009, 02:47 PM

Considering Coleman didn't come close to gassing in his last fight, I take it yall haven't even seen Coleman/Bonnar, in which case you should STFU and search for it on google vid. Otherwise your posts should have more to them than misguided bullshit.

I might not have 18,000 posts but I know what I'm talking about.Wow not THE Stephen Bonnar!!

jimmie

11-18-2009, 02:58 PM

Wow not THE Stephen Bonnar!!

You got a good point :lol: Its funny to watch the orignal TUF fighters improve quite a bit and this guy in the last 5 years has not improved one bit.

(PimpThaSystem)

11-18-2009, 06:38 PM

Wow not THE Stephen Bonnar!!

Dont be ridiculous. You said Coleman doesn't belong at 205 and you don't want to see him humiliated anymore when in fact, Coleman is doing just fine at 205 beating a respected guy with good wins in Bonnar and giving Shogun his toughest fight in the UFC next to Forrest.

I know your trying to save face, but your coming off as a chump.

scurlaruntings

11-19-2009, 04:26 AM

Dont be ridiculous. You said Coleman doesn't belong at 205 and you don't want to see him humiliated anymore when in fact, Coleman is doing just fine at 205 beating a respected guy with good wins in Bonnar and giving Shogun his toughest fight in the UFC next to Forrest.

I know your trying to save face, but your coming off as a chump.O shut up you facking idiot. If you want to troll Sherdog is the other way.

(PimpThaSystem)

11-19-2009, 10:46 AM

O shut up you facking idiot. If you want to troll Sherdog is the other way.

So I make logical arguments with evidence to back it up and you talk shit and make condescending jokes, and yet I'm the troll? :patsch

Yeah right, chump, I think we all know who won. Discussion over.:hi:

scurlaruntings

11-19-2009, 11:58 AM

So I make logical arguments with evidence to back it up and you talk shit and make condescending jokes, and yet I'm the troll? :patsch

Yeah right, chump, I think we all know who won. Discussion over.:hi:Whoa your an intellectual titan!!!! Yup Bonnar is a stud! Mark made a career as one of the best at heavy but 205 at 45 years of age makes perfect sense. You keep punching skippy. :good

(PimpThaSystem)

11-19-2009, 12:18 PM

Whoa your an intellectual titan!!!! Yup Bonnar is a stud! Mark made a career as one of the best at heavy but 205 at 45 years of age makes perfect sense. You keep punching skippy. :good

And you keep digging yourself into that hole :good

Maybe you can show some signs of intelligence in one of your next 18,000 posts.

scurlaruntings

11-19-2009, 04:20 PM

And you keep digging yourself into that hole :good

Maybe you can show some signs of intelligence in one of your next 18,000 posts.Why dont you dig into that massive trawl of cognitive skills and intelligience that you possess and explain to the board what a great fighter Bonnar is. Whilst your at it explain to the board how Coleman despite being a career heavy who admitted that he never evolved much as a fighter during his HammerHouse days is going to be this force of nature that you describe at 205 when he's nearing the half century mark. I eagerly await your answer.

(PimpThaSystem)

11-19-2009, 06:34 PM

Why dont you dig into that massive trawl of cognitive skills and intelligience that you possess and explain to the board what a great fighter Bonnar is. Whilst your at it explain to the board how Coleman despite being a career heavy who admitted that he never evolved much as a fighter during his HammerHouse days is going to be this force of nature that you describe at 205 when he's nearing the half century mark. I eagerly await your answer.

LOL Get you reading comprehension checked. When did I say Bonnar was a great fighter? I said he was a respected fighter with good wins over guys like Sam Hoger, James Irvin, and Keith Jardine. By no means is he a world beater, but still a good second tier fighter in a stacked division.

You seriously have to stop putting words in my mouth.

I never described Coleman as well-rounded or a "force of nature." I did say he still has strong wrestling and it true. You always have to watch out for a big, strong wrestler like Coleman who can take you down and hold you there.

You might question his conditioning based on the Shogun fight, but he didn't have enough money for anything close to a proper training camp before UFC 93 and he was in much better shape against Bonnar.

I don't know why you think its so amazing for Coleman to be fighting at 205 at an advanced age seeing as he was never a huge HW in the first place and Couture is doing the same exact thing, but his performance against Shogun and his win over Bonnar prove he still has what it takes to hang in the division, especially in fights where he has a style advantage.

So there. Happy? If I used too many big words for you let me know.

scurlaruntings

11-19-2009, 06:46 PM

LOL Get you reading comprehension checked. When did I say Bonnar was a great fighter? I said he was a respected fighter with good wins over guys like Sam Hoger, James Irvin, and Keith Jardine. By no means is he a world beater, but still a good second tier fighter in a stacked division.

You seriously have to stop putting words in my mouth.

I never described Coleman as well-rounded or a "force of nature." I did say he still has strong wrestling and it true. You always have to watch out for a big, strong wrestler like Coleman who can take you down and hold you there.

You might question his conditioning based on the Shogun fight, but he didn't have enough money for anything close to a proper training camp before UFC 93 and he was in much better shape against Bonnar.

I don't know why you think its so amazing for Coleman to be fighting at 205 at an advanced age seeing as he was never a huge HW in the first place and Couture is doing the same exact thing, but his performance against Shogun and his win over Bonnar prove he still has what it takes to hang in the division, especially in fights where he has a style advantage.

So there. Happy? If I used too many big words for you let me know.The jury rests. :thumbsup

dublynflya

11-22-2009, 10:06 AM

He did gas, and he is clearly not nearly what he once was, but the guy makes a point, even a gassed, old, and weaker Coleman can take down most 205er's.

It's not for me to "Retire" a pair of legends, but If these two did meet i'd love it to be the last fight for both of them. I have nothing but admiration for them both and whilst they will always be great champions, their time as contenders has passed! In all honesty, what would be the next fight for the winner or loser of this fight? Would anyone be happy to see true greats like these two gentlemen in prelim fights? As for the fight itself, I guess my money would be on Randy. He is the better all-round fighter. Mark, for all his superb wrestling and tremendous strength is rather one-dimensional.

TerryESB

12-09-2009, 03:39 AM

Bump this old thread, great minds think alike. This dream match up is headlining UFC 109. :happy:happy :happy

The fight will actually happen. :hammertime

Big T

12-09-2009, 04:32 AM

A fight I will pass on. Move along..nothing to see..

ufoalf

12-09-2009, 06:42 AM

I'm very interested in that fight. I don't know what ya'll talking about. My mind is telling me Couture, but I have a gut feeling that Coleman might upset Couture on this one. However I do believe it to be very unlikely.

phonk

12-09-2009, 07:14 AM

Man this is the sort of shit fight that'll slowly kill UFC.

Coture, Coleman, Ortiz, Liddell etc have all had their day in the sun yet White and the UFC insist on shoving them down our throats.

My theory is that White and the UFC are terrified that there franchise is being dominated by South Americans. They're shoving all these old timers onto cards in order to shore up PPV buys with names that the public are familiar with, though there best days are well behind them. This will lead to stagnation.

HomicideHenry

12-09-2009, 07:32 AM

Coleman is one of the few men, who even at an advanced age, was able to give Fedor a contest in the ring...however, is it just me, or has the UFC become a stable for either gimmick fighters or grumpy old men? Couture/Coleman is a good match up I suppose, however, but damn, do you want to shell out 30 bucks or more for this as the main event?

liger05

12-09-2009, 08:10 AM

UFC is the new WCW.

ufoalf

12-09-2009, 08:11 AM

You guys are smoking something. They have a great stable of fighters and very young and promising talents.

Koa

12-09-2009, 09:28 AM

Mark is finished. He only fights on fumes now. Its sad to see what he's become now in comparison to his prime but the fat lady is screaming very loudly. Id prefer not to see Mark humilated anymore espcially not down at 205 as he has no business there.

Got to agree.. A lot of people are worried about Randy Couture, and wonder if he can keep fighting.. The more important thing to consider is if Mark Coleman really even brings anything that is dangerous to a fight anymore.

He's an old wrestler that cant really shoot anymore, and tends to take damage that is painful to watch in his standup.. Last few times I've seen him fight, I cringe when I see him take shots.. He really has little to base his offense on without a good takedown, since 99% of the damage he has dealt in his career against opponents has been good ol GnP.. He's like the grandfather of GnP..

:S Sort of a sad fight really.

Boyd

12-09-2009, 10:46 AM

this fight is pointless. no way should it be a headliner. both guys were great but now this matchup is just a sideshow not a main event

Big T

12-09-2009, 02:59 PM

You guys are smoking something. They have a great stable of fighters and very young and promising talents.
Yes they do..so why not push more of their great stable into main events??? That is what we are talking about :good
The other problem is his love for TUF fighters. ((Well Roy not in this mix)) How many of them have been beat, but yet on a main card a few shows later. To were a guy comes in gets beat and out the door. I think they shoudl do like Strikeforce dose, and put a free show on Spike once a month to showcase their young fights.

liger05

12-10-2009, 01:31 PM

A laugable main event from a guy who whenever he has the chance will criticise boxing.

scurlaruntings

12-10-2009, 02:05 PM

Got to agree.. A lot of people are worried about Randy Couture, and wonder if he can keep fighting.. The more important thing to consider is if Mark Coleman really even brings anything that is dangerous to a fight anymore.

He's an old wrestler that cant really shoot anymore, and tends to take damage that is painful to watch in his standup.. Last few times I've seen him fight, I cringe when I see him take shots.. He really has little to base his offense on without a good takedown, since 99% of the damage he has dealt in his career against opponents has been good ol GnP.. He's like the grandfather of GnP..

:S Sort of a sad fight really.Mark's knee's are shot to shit. His knee's were ruined nearly a decade ago. And yet he's still here fighting. Even in his prime his standup was laughable. But much like Kerr he made up for his deficiencies with his wrestling and all the hormones he took. Randleman is the same. Their bodys are ruined by the years of abuse as well as all the injuries that have taken there toll. The best place for Coleman now is on the sidelines watching.