most overrated current fighters

[unclepaulie]

joe calzaghe, hands down, with amir khan getting honorable mention

calzaghe-slaps way too much. he is also put on a pedestal by his supporters; c'mon guys, he's not ali, robinson and leonard rolled into one like you seem to make him out to be, he's a quick fighter with above average stamina who has been fighting in what has been a weak division for almost its entire existence, a skipping stone between middle and lt heavy. he has also held onto the least prestigous major belt for 20 defenses; he really only has 2 defenses as champ. before all you calzaghe nuts start mf-ing me up and down, im just saying that he's over rated, not that hes a shit fighter.

amir khan-over rated may be the wrong adjective, just way too over exposed. as far as im concerned hes a skilled young fighter who has much to prove before getting the exposure he's receiving. remember what too much praise too soon did to a certain american heavyweight?

[lefthook31]

Valueav, hes horribly slow, its amazing he got as far as he did.

[unclepaulie]

Valueav, hes horribly slow, its amazing he got as far as he did.

yeah, i totally and completely agree, but who gives valuev props besides don king?

[unclepaulie]

Some on here are under the impression that he coukd beat Marciano and head to head would be hard for any HW in history to beat, and yet Chagaev beats him. Laughable some of the posters on here.

marciano loses to valuev? are these people smoking their gym socks?:rasta

[box03]

Valuev is actually a pretty good fighter, he has amazing stamina for his size and definitely a strong chin. His power is not to impressive for how big is though, I would give him a chance to beat any heavywieght in the top 10.

[China_hand_Joe]

calzaghe-slaps way too much. he is also put on a pedestal by his supporters; c'mon guys, he's not ali, robinson and leonard rolled into one like you seem to make him out to be, he's a quick fighter with above average stamina who has been fighting in what has been a weak division for almost its entire existence, a skipping stone between middle and lt heavy. he has also held onto the least prestigous major belt for 20 defenses; he really only has 2 defenses as champ. before all you calzaghe nuts start mf-ing me up and down, im just saying that he's over rated, not that hes a shit fighter.

Look mate. Floyd Mayweather and Pacman are the only two fighters right now you can make a case for being better than Calzaghe.

Therefore any other fighters being held in higher regard than Joe must also be overrated.

[RDJ]

Taylor
Calzaghe

[bumdujour]

golota: no matter how low you rate this guy, you still massively overrate him.
he is one of a kind.....in a bad bad way!

[unclepaulie]

Look mate. Floyd Mayweather and Pacman are the only two fighters right now you can make a case for being better than Calzaghe.

Therefore any other fighters being held in higher regard than Joe must also be overrated.

First off, i don't understand your logic, but ok.

here's some fighters that i rate above calzaghe p4p:

bernard hopkins--maybe p4p #2. ring smarts and experience are a dangerous combo with bernard.

winky wright--toughest fighter aside from hopkins to look good against. killer jab and fortress like defense.

shane mosley--quicks and good power, fights all comers.

ricky hatton--did something even floyd couldnt do: beat castillo convincingly; terrific leverage and quicker than he gets credit for.

shall i go on????

[juancho214]

All the Heavyweight title holders except for Wlad..

Juan Diaz
Calzaghe
Taylor
Miranda
Kessler
Joan Guzmanhell yes

[unclepaulie]

blocky--

juan manuel marquez--draws with arguable p4p #1 pacquaio and beats living legend and still top 15 p4p mab.

mab--whupped morales, hamed, kevin kelley, rocky juarez, etc. takes on anybody. killer stamina and good boxing skills. can also brawl just a touch.

ok and just to keep it interesting heres some fighters i pick to beat calzaghe:

kessler-consistent power overtakes calzaghes workrate
roy jones-even though he's over the hill, he still has enough pop and hand speed to get joe. his angles are all wrong for calzaghe and jones has confidence edge.
bernard hopkins-slows calzaghe down with infighting and headbutts. lands exactly what he needs to when he needs to do it.
winky wright -jab jab jab. if calzaghe couldn't break through peter manfredo's defense (and make no mistake, he didn't) how will he get through winky's?

and if you dont think shane mosley is top 10 p4p...well...mma will welcome you with open arms

[MSTR]

juan manuel marquez--draws with arguable p4p #1 pacquaio and beats living legend and still top 15 p4p mab.

mab--whupped morales, hamed, kevin kelley, rocky juarez, etc. takes on anybody. killer stamina and good boxing skills. can also brawl just a touch.

ok and just to keep it interesting heres some fighters i pick to beat calzaghe:

kessler-consistent power overtakes calzaghes workrate
roy jones-even though he's over the hill, he still has enough pop and hand speed to get joe. his angles are all wrong for calzaghe and jones has confidence edge.
bernard hopkins-slows calzaghe down with infighting and headbutts. lands exactly what he needs to when he needs to do it.
winky wright -jab jab jab. if calzaghe couldn't break through peter manfredo's defense (and make no mistake, he didn't) how will he get through winky's?
This post is so biased its not funny. Do you seriously think this version of Jones beats Calzaghe?

[MSTR]

This guy is a fucking genius, you should all listen to him. He's talking about results that happened 6-8 years ago as reason to have fighters as P4P now.
Agreed.

[unclepaulie]

i stsnd by what i said. i think jones is too quick (yes still), too smart and has too much experience for calzaghe. the angles he throws are all wrong for calzaghe and he can still move enough to get out of the way of the first punch calzaghe throws, which prevents him from setting up combos. i think jones would frustrate calzaghe. i may be wrong, but its too bad wel'll never find out cause calzaghe wont fight jones.

[unclepaulie]

This guy is a fucking genius, you should all listen to him. He's talking about results that happened 6-8 years ago as reason to have fighters as P4P now.

which fights 6-8 yrs ago, barrera morales II and III, barrera juarez I and II?

or was it marquez-barrera or marquez pacquiao?

[MSTR]

i stsnd by what i said. i think jones is too quick (yes still), too smart and has too much experience for calzaghe. the angles he throws are all wrong for calzaghe and he can still move enough to get out of the way of the first punch calzaghe throws, which prevents him from setting up combos. i think jones would frustrate calzaghe. i may be wrong, but its too bad wel'll never find out cause calzaghe wont fight jones.
Your guilty of heavily under rating Calzaghe then. I don't agree with you about hop and Wright, but those fights are debatable. But jones IMO is not even questionable. He got outworked and KTFO by Johnson. Roy would lay on the ropes and get pounded at this stage of his career.

[sonny73]

i stsnd by what i said. i think jones is too quick (yes still), too smart and has too much experience for calzaghe. the angles he throws are all wrong for calzaghe and he can still move enough to get out of the way of the first punch calzaghe throws, which prevents him from setting up combos. i think jones would frustrate calzaghe. i may be wrong, but its too bad wel'll never find out cause calzaghe wont fight jones.
You got a bad case of the HypeAmericanitis.

[unclepaulie]

Your guilty of heavily under rating Calzaghe then. I don't agree with you about hop and Wright, but those fights are debatable. But jones IMO is not even questionable. He got outworked and KTFO by Johnson. Roy would lay on the ropes and get pounded at this stage of his career.

how am i underrating calzaghe?? he might make my p4p top 10, certainly top 15, and again, im not saying he is a shit fighter, but i think he gets more credit than he deserves. since he beat lacy--and he whupped lacy--he has been made out by some to be the greatest force in boxing since sugar ray leonard, and im just saying that considering his opposition and what ive seen of him, i disagree with that.

[unclepaulie]

jones is the most debatable, i will admit that, and i will go so far as to say that it could go either way with blowout potential on both sides, but to say calzaghe annihilates winky is absurd; nobody annihilates winky wright--hypus britannicus anyone?

[jonesjrp4p1]

pavlik......hes good but he beat miranda if he beats taylor which i dont think is gonna happen ill change my opinion on that

[MSTR]

pavlik......hes good but he beat miranda if he beats taylor which i dont think is gonna happen ill change my opinion on that
Agreed. Pavlik is over rated IMO.

[Korn_06]

This guy is a fucking genius, you should all listen to him. He's talking about results that happened 6-8 years ago as reason to have fighters as P4P now.

Blocky arent you still clinging to Calzaghe's win over Eubank some 10 years ago?

[Korn_06]

pavlik......hes good but he beat miranda if he beats taylor which i dont think is gonna happen ill change my opinion on that

I guess Pavlik is a big questionmark. I still think Taylor is the favorite but he needs to find his old game again.

Miranda was the most overrated boxer in a long time. Maybe he has power but thats all.

[Brickhaus]

Sam Peter
Joan Guzman
Lucian Bute
Joshua Clottey
Bernard Hopkins (at the moment)
Marco Antonio Barerra (at the moment)

[brooklyn1550]

Andre Berto

[codeman99998]

Sam Peter

[unclepaulie]

hopkins?

[nervousxtian]

Wright - gets annihilated by Calzaghe, too much workrate, too much accuracy and too much size for Wright to deal with


Nobody has annihilated Winky ever, why the hell do you think Joe could do what nobody else could.

Could he lose the fight? Sure. But nobody is going to annihilate Winky Wright.

I think Calzaghe is too big for him though, and that poses problems, but Winky would not get embarrassed at all.

[Cruiser1]

Mikkel Kessler is 39-0, a unified champion, and has lost maybe a handful of rounds in his career and people are saying he's overrated?

Joe Calzaghe hasn't lost a fight since 1990 and he's overrated to some people? I'm speechless.

What else do these 2 future opponents have to do?

[China_hand_Joe]

Nobody has annihilated Winky ever, why the hell do you think Joe could do what nobody else could.

Could he lose the fight? Sure. But nobody is going to annihilate Winky Wright.


The Vasquez fight mate.

Calzaghe would be worse, Winky has absolutely no way of winning or defending himself against Calzaghe. You can't simply cover up and block Calzaghe's slaps, you need power to defend yourself against him.

[David UK]

Hopkins---He clearly doesn't rate himself very highly or he wouldn't have ducked out of the Calzaghe fight

Taylor---He WAS horrendously overrated but at last most fans have seen this fraud for what he is=Crap

[David UK]

i stsnd by what i said. i think jones is too quick (yes still), too smart and has too much experience for calzaghe. the angles he throws are all wrong for calzaghe and he can still move enough to get out of the way of the first punch calzaghe throws, which prevents him from setting up combos. i think jones would frustrate calzaghe. i may be wrong, but its too bad wel'll never find out cause calzaghe wont fight jones.

Don't make yourself sound so silly!! Jones nowadays is shot to bits.He even lost to Tarver who is complete garbage. Maybe in his heyday he'd have beaten Calzaghe...........but not now

[ThePlugInBabies]

there's no maybe about it, prime jones beats calzaghe quite handsomely. now? jones is 100% shot, calzaghe brutally takes him out inside the distance, and any active smw-lhw with a pulse does exactly the same.

it would be an absolute waste of time, and calzaghe would just get grief for taking such a fight.

[Orang-Utan Jim]

Sam Peter
Joe Calzaghe
Edison Miranda

[DanePugilist]

Overrated by whom?

[jaycuban]

Oscar de La Hoya, Calzague

[China_hand_Joe]

It seems Calzaghe is extremely overrated, especially when you consider how few Americans have listed him here.

[jonesjrp4p1]

It seems Calzaghe is extremely overrated, especially when you consider how few Americans have listed him here.

never though u would use calzaghe and overrated in the same sentence.

[lefthook31]

Why is Sam Peter overated? He fought a pretty good fight against Klistchko and almost stopped him. I dont think hes as overated as a guy like Valueav, who held the title and had a lot of controversary wins against bad fighters.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Why is Sam Peter overated? He fought a pretty good fight against Klistchko and almost stopped him. I dont think hes as overated as a guy like Valueav, who held the title and had a lot of controversary wins against bad fighters.

because in order to be overrated, you must firstly be rated. valuev isn't held in very high esteem by the fans and the press. where as some fans proclaim sam peter as the saviour of the heavyweight division.

[teke]

Bute

[klion22]

korn 06

You're avatar is freaken hilarious.

[peter5]

Look mate. Floyd Mayweather and Pacman are the only two fighters right now you can make a case for being better than Calzaghe.

Therefore any other fighters being held in higher regard than Joe must also be overrated.

Couldnt have said it better myself!

[Korn_06]

korn 06

You're avatar is freaken hilarious.

:good Thanks, not too sure whats going on though.:D

[ThePlugInBabies]

Peter, Haye, Pavlik. All good fighters but they haven´t proven that they are truely elite right now.

but no one is claiming haye is. the guys got all the potential in the world, but that's all it is right now, potential, i don't see anyone stating anything different.

[Korn_06]

Fact: If Calzaghe wins, per definition Kessler was overrated. If Kessler wins Calzaghe was overrated.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Fact: If Calzaghe wins, per definition Kessler was overrated. If Kessler wins Calzaghe was overrated.

this is esb rule for all fights as far as some morons are concerned.

[Max Molyneux]

he's not ali, robinson and leonard rolled into one like you seem to make him out to be,

:lol:If any of us made out he was like any of the above we would of mentioned their names.

Anyway Peter, Pacqiauo, Miranda, Pavlik, Hatton and both Klitschko's are overrated.

[Max Molyneux]

First off, i don't understand your logic, but ok.

here's some fighters that i rate above calzaghe p4p:

bernard hopkins--maybe p4p #2. ring smarts and experience are a dangerous combo with bernard.

winky wright--toughest fighter aside from hopkins to look good against. killer jab and fortress like defense.

shane mosley--quicks and good power, fights all comers.

ricky hatton--did something even floyd couldnt do: beat castillo convincingly; terrific leverage and quicker than he gets credit for.

shall i go on????

They have names on their records but Calzaghe would destroy all of the above In that list, names are overused to judge a fighters talent.

Wright struggled with Sam Soliman's punch volume, Calzaghe's Is superior and more accurate and Wrights undersized above Middle.

Hopkins has cherry picked weak fighters to look good at the moment. Plus he let himself be outworked by Taylor whos shit.

[Caper]

I think most fighters are rated just fine........

Some posters seem to give their favorite fighters way to much credit but its only natural. Hey everyone shits all over Taylor and I'm sure most people rank Hatton and Calz's over him but in reality Jermaine has fought, defeated or drawed with fighters more skilled than anyone one on Hatton's and Calz's resumes combined. As old, annoying and/or boring you find Hopkins, Winky or Spinks you can't deny theri caliber of skill.

[Caper]

They have names on their records but Calzaghe would destroy all of the above In that list, names are overused to judge a fighters talent.

Wright struggled with Sam Soliman's punch volume, Calzaghe's Is superior and more accurate and Wrights undersized above Middle.

Hopkins has cherry picked weak fighters to look good at the moment. Plus he let himself be outworked by Taylor whos shit.

You have a point with the name example......but you must admit it is an excellent way to further solidify your legacy. I think Calzaghe is a supreme talent but he has surely underacheived in the "resume" department. Kessler in my opinion is his greatest name and who has Kessler really beat? I think its an unfortunate situation due to the lack of true greatness in the division.

[unclepaulie]

Hopkins has cherry picked weak fighters to look good at the moment. Plus he let himself be outworked by Taylor whos shit.[/quote]

the legit light heavy champion, who hopkins whupped from corner to corner and then the number 1 middleweight contender, who hopkins bullied for 7 rounds are weak opposition?

i'll admit that hopkins is fighting more for paydays/legacy than for true challenges (he's not fighting erdei or dawson anytime soon), but if THIS is cherry-picking weak opposition then ask yourself, really, truly, what is calzaghe/his management doing???

[ThePlugInBabies]

the legit light heavy champion, who hopkins whupped from corner to corner and then the number 1 middleweight contender, who hopkins bullied for 7 rounds are weak opposition?

i'll admit that hopkins is fighting more for paydays than for true challenges (he's not fighting erdei or dawson anytime soon), but if THIS is cherry-picking weak opposition then ask yourself, really, truly, what is calzaghe/his management doing???[/quote]

oh common, challenging a natural light middle to a fight a light heavy is major cherry picking. winky is a massive name on nards resume, but the name alone does not tell the whole story. winky was in bad shape, the weight did not suit him at all.

[unclepaulie]

oh common, challenging a natural light middle to a fight a light heavy is major cherry picking. winky is a massive name on nards resume, but the name alone does not tell the whole story. winky was in bad shape, the weight did not suit him at all.[/QUOTE]

winky comports himself pretty good at middle, no? and yes winky didn't carry the weight well, but i think that you have to give credit to hopkins for taking the challenge. he didn't know that winky would look like a zombie at 170, it was the best combination of name and skills that could be made.

[kaygb]

Oscar. There are actually some on this board that have Oscar in the top 50 or so ATG's. :patsch Hell Oscar has had only 5 fights where he faced the very best .. in their primes ... and he lost them all. 0 and 5 against the elite.
You can not put a class B fighter in with ATG lists. No way! PFP king sure.
ATG nope!

[nervousxtian]

The Vasquez fight mate.

Calzaghe would be worse, Winky has absolutely no way of winning or defending himself against Calzaghe. You can't simply cover up and block Calzaghe's slaps, you need power to defend yourself against him.

You're funny. That fight was in 1994, was the first time Wright ever fought more than 8rds, was fighting in a foreign country, and despite being credited as being KD'd I believe 5 times still kept the fight close. According to Wright only one of the KD's was legit.

[Shotgun]

Sam Peter in general but especially his power or at least his ability to deliver it effectively

[EL BULLY]

Cotto

[crashzzz]

Calzaghe is the most underrated boxer here...

Seems like nobody here believes he's a dangerous fighter just because he tends to slap.

Yet people forget quite a few a important elements about Joe.

He's throws combo quicker than anybody else, period.
He has perhaps the best stamina than any other fighter (all weight class combined)
He's boxing senses/skills are up to par with any other top p4p.
He defense skills/reflexes/footwork makes him extremely hard to hit.
He can brawl and he can box.
If that not enough, he's got a solid chin.

When you take all this into account, you can easily realize why he's almost impossible to beat. Sure, his opponents selection have been questionable, but after he will have won all the super middleweight belts, Americans will still underrate him just 'cause his a brit.

[lefthook31]

because in order to be overrated, you must firstly be rated. valuev isn't held in very high esteem by the fans and the press. where as some fans proclaim sam peter as the saviour of the heavyweight division.

I dont know about that, I think Peter is what he is. We all know hes pretty one dimensional, but I would definitely say he is the most exciting young fighter to watch, because he knocks people out. Thats why people WANT him to be the savior of the division.

[kk17]

Beside Jeremy Williams Peter hasn't K.O a top 50 heavyweight and beside the old
fat Toney he hasn't beat a top 50 heavyweight there are lot young and more exciting fighters with k.o. power like Dimitrenko ,Povetkin, David Haye or Arreola.

[Alo2006]

Pavlik
Calzaghe

[Max Molyneux]

the legit light heavy champion, who hopkins whupped from corner to corner and then the number 1 middleweight contender, who hopkins bullied for 7 rounds are weak opposition?

i'll admit that hopkins is fighting more for paydays/legacy than for true challenges (he's not fighting erdei or dawson anytime soon), but if THIS is cherry-picking weak opposition then ask yourself, really, truly, what is calzaghe/his management doing???[/quote]

Tarver was never anything more than a WBC belt holder.

I don't deny Calzaghe doesn't have the best of resumes but you can;t always judge on resume.

[China_hand_Joe]

You're funny. That fight was in 1994, was the first time Wright ever fought more than 8rds, was fighting in a foreign country, and despite being credited as being KD'd I believe 5 times still kept the fight close. According to Wright only one of the KD's was legit.

I don't remember 4 slips.

Vasquez vs Wright + Soliman vs Wright = Calzaghe vs Wright

[silvy_chris]

Valueav and taylor by far.
taylor is good is way to cautious (may sound good but its not) and Valueav is just plain old shit, hes just a freak of nature

[ThePlugInBabies]

i see some people are still struggling to grasp the whole idea of being overrated.

WHO THE FUCK RATES VALUEV IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?!?!?

no one!! so how can he be OVERrated?

in order to be overrated, you must be rated positively in the first place.

[PATSYS]

Sam Peter

[nickthegreek]

Andre Berto

Yep :good

Kessler
Guzman

[knockout]

Edwin Valero is overrated i mean this guy is wild,crude and trades with his head up high and most his fights are with tomato cans.

[Brickhaus]

Edwin Valero is overrated i mean this guy is wild,crude and trades with his head up high and most his fights are with tomato cans.

Agreed.

[knockout]

Agreed.i wish he can fight here in the states to see what he is really made out of.

[UndisputedUK]

Calzaghe would be P4P 1 if he was American.

How many losers are in the top 10, because they fight in the USA?

[unclepaulie]

Calzaghe would be P4P 1 if he was American.
dude, HOP UP OFF OF CALZAGHE'S NUTS! HE WILL NEED THEM AGAINST KESSLER!


this is what i mean when i talk about calzaghe's fans making calzaghe out to be a god. there are only 2 fighters who have a legit p4p #1 clam, pac and pbf (with bernard hopkins a dark horse candidate). to say that if he was american he would be #1, well, that is an asinine statement. calzaghe would NOT be p4p #1 if he was american, and if he had the same exact record, he would probably be given more shit for avoiding strong american fighters who have been at/near 168 during his 'reign': james toney, roy jones, bernard hopkins, montell griffin etc.

[Lacyace]

Calzaghe would be P4P 1 if he was American.

How many losers are in the top 10, because they fight in the USA?

Prove it. Why should Calzaghe be rated higher than Floyd Mayweather Jr? I know I'm probably not going to get an answer but screw it.

[Luigi1985]

James Toney
Bernhard Hopkins
Joe Calzaghe

[unclepaulie]

Calzaghe would be P4P 1 if he was American.

How many losers are in the top 10, because they fight in the USA?

1. there are more top 10 p4p american fighters because there is better competition in America.
2. That is seriously the dumbest statement ive ever read in the forums. I really hope you are being extremely sarcastic.
3.Calzaghe is lucky to be rated as high as he is on the p4p list anyway.

[Orang-Utan Jim]

Calzaghe would be P4P 1 if he was American.

How many losers are in the top 10, because they fight in the USA?

No, if calzaghe would be American he wouldn´t have fought not so many bums like Calzaghe did in the UK. He would ´ve fought some real top fighters (Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Johnson...) which I doubt he would´ve beaten. So Calzaghe as an american wouldn´t ranked higher right now, because his record would be 37-3 or so.

[Caper]

Calzaghe would be P4P 1 if he was American.

How many losers are in the top 10, because they fight in the USA?

:verysad

[unclepaulie]

I really didnt believe, until i read this post, that Calzaghe was too terribly overrated, but rather had a loyal fanbase. But honestly I have read some flat out wrong and unjustifiable statements in this thread.
BOTTOM LINE
Calzaghe never took a belt from anybody until he fought Lacy.
Calzaghe slaps. I dont care who you are there is no way you can get as much leverage or power behind a slap then you can a hook. Slapping is a very technically unsound technique and puts holes in the Calzaghe is a great boxer argument.
He has fought nobody. Eubank and Lacy maybe, but Eubank took the fight on less than 2 weeks notice and had to cut weight. Lacy was still very green in after just 21 pro fights, Calzaghe just exposed it. On top of that, he defended the title 20 times against garbage fighters. If he REALLY wanted big name fights he could have gotten them. Also it was the WBO belt. That just speaks for itself.
Im not sure if Calzaghe is the most overrated fighter on the site, but he certainly is in this thread.

[cuchulain]

...since he beat lacy--and he whupped lacy--he has been made out by some to be the greatest force in boxing since sugar ray leonard...

No,

no he hasn't.

In fact the reverse. All the Calzaghe haters (and their number is legion) talked about how he was going to finally be exposed by Lacy. When he won that fight with consumate ease (and that was not his best win), the detractors back-pedaled and allowed that Lacy had been overrated.

if he beats Kessler, there will be more excuses to denigrate him.

Prime Roy would have beaten anyone who ever fought at 168. The present version would have little chance with Calzaghe. Prime Hopkins would have made a good fight with Calzaghe (IMO, he would have lost). Present BHop, very little chance.

Calzaghe is currently one of the top five active boxers. As such, he is NOT over-rated.

(If you don't believe me, ask China_Hand_Joe. He knows these things, and he will assure you, with unadulterated certitude, that it is simply not possible to overrate Calzaghe ! )

[nervousxtian]

I don't remember 4 slips.

Vasquez vs Wright + Soliman vs Wright = Calzaghe vs Wright
Yet Winky still kept that fight close, he was young, in a foreign country, NEVER fought more than an 8rd fight... and it was 1994.

You gonna hold what happened in 1994... 13 fucking years ago against him???

..and Soliman is nothing like Calzaghe, and I think Wink took Soliman lightly, which was a mistake, but he still beat him.

He wouldn't take Calzaghe lightly, and again nobody has ever dominated Winky Wright. Vasquez came close to it, but nobody else has.

Only on the ESB do you see people still trying to take credit away from guys like Winky Wright and Bernard Hopkins.

[Butch Coolidge]

Evander Holyfield.

Beating Jeremy Bates ( who actually landed a hard punch on Commander Vander---no way Bates does this to a prime Holy ), beating Vinny Maddalone and beating Lou Savarese ( who actually landed a heavy punch on Holy too ) do not make me think Holy is the hotshot he used to be. I think if tortoises like Bates and Savarese landed on him a mongoose like Ibragimov is going to tear Holy up.

[China_hand_Joe]

Yet Winky still kept that fight close, he was young, in a foreign country, NEVER fought more than an 8rd fight... and it was 1994.

You gonna hold what happened in 1994... 13 fucking years ago against him???

..and Soliman is nothing like Calzaghe, and I think Wink took Soliman lightly, which was a mistake, but he still beat him.

He wouldn't take Calzaghe lightly, and again nobody has ever dominated Winky Wright. Vasquez came close to it, but nobody else has.

Only on the ESB do you see people still trying to take credit away from guys like Winky Wright and Bernard Hopkins.

Soliman's punches are messy like Calzaghes. Winky's defence won't work well at all.

Jabbing will fail against Calzaghe too.

Winky has no size or power and as such will be over-whelmed.

Lets not forget how slow he is getting too.




But feel free to think Winky would have hope against Calzaghe and embrace the ignorant bliss familiar to so many American and Americanised boxing fans.

[David UK]

Calzaghe would be P4P 1 if he was American.



I don't think there's much doubt about that. He's undefeated since he was 17 and has beaten some good fighters;fighters that have never been the same since. It's not Calzaghe's fault that Hopkins blatently ducked him by asking for his purse to be doubled after a verbal agreement was made. Nor is it Calzaghe's fault that Jermain Taylor turned down an offer of £6m. And Jones just wanted to continue on his bum of the month tour. JC can't FORCE these blokes to fight him.Credit to Lacy for at least having the bottle to fight Joe unlike the chickenshit Hopkins and Taylor