What's the single most mindblowing performance you've ever witnessed.

[Addie]

Please guys, don't list honorable mentions or multiple answers - I want only one definitive answer out of all of you. That one performance that will always stay with you for the rest of your life? Was it the green Cassius Clay, outboxing, out-punching the thought to be invincible Sonny Liston? Was it Duran moving up from 135lbs to bully arguably the second best Welterweight to ever put on a pair of gloves? Is it more obscure, against lesser opposition? Tell the Classic the most efficient performance you've ever seen, and try and explain it in good detail.

[cotto20]

Chacon against bazooka limon really blew me away

[stevebhoy87]

Fuck sake i'm split between 2 as well!!!

I'll go for Robinson against LaMotta then. I love the way that robinson paces himself in this fight, keeps it tight for the 1st 8 or 9 rounds. The footwork he shows is probably the best i've ever seen, keeps the distance exactly where he wants it, always able to throw punches, with leverage whether on the back front or on the offensive.

Then the way when LaMotta starts to get tired it like sugar flicks a switch, instead of playing the matador he becomes the destroyer. And he shows why i believe he has the best offense ever, power shots, thrown in all sorts of combinations, head and body and at every angle. A joy to watch the way he sits down on the punches and jake a horrendous beating. An all round complete performance in my opinion

Duran v Leonard was my 2nd choice

[sugarsean]

There's many but I'll go with

Sugar Ray Robinson's 13 Rd Stoppage of Jake LaMotta that's one of the fights that blow me away when ever I watch it.

[Addie]

Duran v Leonard was my 2nd choice

Someone who can't read simple instructions. :lol: Just kidding mate, fair enough.

[teeto]

The Jim Driscoll clip on yt.

Just kidding, really though i was impressed to be honest.

[cris3000]

Duran v Leonard

[Manassa]

I think... Duran-Palomino. Palomino was a good welterweight and is actually in the Hall of Fame. Some great fighters have retired after a long championship reign, but Duran came out of his, stepped up in weight, and won every round (maybe 9 to 1) against a very good opponent. With Duran's style, there were a lot of subtle things that the casual observer may not notice. Any others here who've watched the fight as often as I have can vouch for me, that Duran's performance here was near enough flawless. He looked as light on his feet as a bantamweight, his hands were as quick, and he swarmed, grappled, punched the body, retreated and threw combination punches as good as anyone in history.

Honourable fucking mention #1: Louis-Schmeling II.

Honourable fucking mention #2: Whitaker-Ramirez II.

[bigG]

benn vs mclelland...brutal, enthraling, tragic..it was like watching a car crash..you knew you shouldnt but you couldnt take your eyes off the sheer spectacle and violence of the occasion...almost feral savagery

[Addie]

Thanks for the answers so far. Personally, I was most effected by watching the 38 year old Roberto Duran, looking soft up at 160lbs, out-boxing and out-punching the much larger, fresher, WBC Middleweight champion of the world, Iran Barkley. It was the same year I was born, so I was too young at the time, but if I ever want to be reminded as to why Duran gets rated so highly on the forum, I watch that fight. Perfect blend of defense and offensive, slipping punches, sometimes effortlessly, and naturally just throws combination's back on the counter, landing more often than not. Duran had no business doing that to Barkley, all things considered.

[teeto]

I think... Duran-Palomino. Palomino was a good welterweight and is actually in the Hall of Fame. Some great fighters have retired after a long championship reign, but Duran came out of his stepped up in weight, and won every round (maybe 9 to 1) against a very good opponent. With Duran's style, there were a lot of subtle things that the casual observer may not notice. Any others here who've watched the fight as often as I have can vouch for me, that Duran's performance here was near enough flawless. He looked as light on his feet as a bantamweight, his hands were as quick, and he swarmed, grappled, punched the body, retreated and threw combination punches as good as anyone in history.

Honourable fucking mention #1: Louis-Schmeling II.

Honourable fucking mention #2: Whitaker-Ramirez II.
It's one of my faves. what right hands from distance, savage but awe inspiring.

I'm trying to think.

[Mantequilla]

Ayub Kalule vs Ho Joo

[Addie]

Honourable fucking mention #1: Louis-Schmeling II.

Honourable fucking mention #2: Whitaker-Ramirez II.
[/QUOTE]

You're fucking honorable fucking mentions can fuck right off. :good

[Sweet Pea]

Miguel Lora vs Daniel Zaragoza is the one I'm stuck on at the moment. Lora put on a masterclass in this fight, with defensive intuitiveness I've only seen rivaled by Locche.

[Mantequilla]

Miguel Lora vs Daniel Zaragoza is the one I'm stuck on at the moment. Lora put on a masterclass in this fight, with defensive intuitiveness I've only seen rivaled by Locche.

I've mentioned it before i think, but if you want a good laugh and ain't a rabid morales fan it's always worth watching that fight and then his fight with Morales, where he's an old faded fighter that can barely even throw a straight punch anymore.

Can't knock Erik too much given all the entertainment he's given us over the years, but his defence has to be the worst of any near elite boxer-puncher.

[Popkins]

Duran's performance in Duran-Leonard I. By so many millions and billions of light years that it may have happened many many galaxies away and not Montreal. It was a performance of extra-terrestrial brilliance.


Since I gave such a clear answer, I am allowing myself a couple of honourable mentions:

Pacquiao-Cotto
(I apologize for being an impressionable little fanboy, but when Pacquiao was standing straight up and square on, inviting Cotto to tee off on him, I was jumping up and down screaming at the TV in a rage because I couldn't understand why Pac was taking the chance of getting crippled by a livershot or badly hurt by a meaty welterweight hook. When it finally dawned on me that he was not being hurt at all, that he was welcoming the attacks to prove he was big enough and strong enough to cope, and that it was yet another Pac-Roach plan, I just laughed for a couple of minutes and enjoyed the massacre! Amazing, amazing stuff)

Olivares-Rose (pugilistic poetry, just all-round gorgeousness)

[Addie]

I've mentioned it before i think, but if you want a good laugh and ain't a rabid morales fan it's always worth watching that fight and then his fight with Morales, where he's an old faded fighter that can barely even throw a straight punch anymore.

Can't knock Erik too much given all the entertainment he's given us over the years, but his defence has to be the worst of any near elite boxer-puncher.

His defense looked pretty damn good against Paulie Ayala, who was in far better nick than Zaragoza was in 97.

[Addie]

Duran's performance in Duran-Leonard I. By so many millions and billions of light years that it may have happened many many galaxies away and not Montreal. It was a performance of extra-terrestrial brilliance.


Since I gave such a clear answer, I am allowing myself a couple of honourable mentions:

Pacquiao-Cotto
(I apologize for being an impressionable little fanboy, but when Pacquiao was standing straight up and square on, inviting Cotto to tee off on him, I was jumping up and down screaming at the TV in a rage because I couldn't understand why Pac was taking the chance of getting crippled by a livershot or badly hurt by a meaty welterweight hook. When it finally dawned on me that he was not being hurt at all, that he was welcoming the attacks to prove he was big enough and strong enough to cope, and that it was yet another Pac-Roach plan, I just laughed for a couple of minutes and enjoyed the massacre! Amazing, amazing stuff)

Olivares-Rose (pugilistic poetry, just all-round gorgeousness)

GTFO, Fanboy! :lol: Nah, just kidding, I expected as much...even if I did clearly state no honorable mentions. I knew you lot would do what the hell you wanted anyway, and Pacquiao did indeed make an impression Saturday night.

[Popkins]

I've mentioned it before i think, but if you want a good laugh and ain't a rabid morales fan it's always worth watching that fight and then his fight with Morales, where he's an old faded fighter that can barely even throw a straight punch anymore.

Can't knock Erik too much given all the entertainment he's given us over the years, but his defence has to be the worst of any near elite boxer-puncher.

I have often said this. Morales took punches in the McCullogh fight that an elite fighter just should not have taken.

[stevebhoy87]

Duran's performance in Duran-Leonard I. By so many millions and billions of light years that it may have happened many many galaxies away and not Montreal. It was a performance of extra-terrestrial brilliance.


Since I gave such a clear answer, I am allowing myself a couple of honourable mentions:

Pacquiao-Cotto
(I apologize for being an impressionable little fanboy, but when Pacquiao was standing straight up and square on, inviting Cotto to tee off on him, I was jumping up and down screaming at the TV in a rage because I couldn't understand why Pac was taking the chance of getting crippled by a livershot or badly hurt by a meaty welterweight hook. When it finally dawned on me that he was not being hurt at all, that he was welcoming the attacks to prove he was big enough and strong enough to cope, and that it was yet another Pac-Roach plan, I just laughed for a couple of minutes and enjoyed the massacre! Amazing, amazing stuff)

Olivares-Rose (pugilistic poetry, just all-round gorgeousness)

Good call, Olivares was immense that night

[Popkins]

GTFO, Fanboy! :lol: Nah, just kidding, I expected as much...even if I did clearly state no honorable mentions. I knew you lot would do what the hell you wanted anyway, and Pacquiao did indeed make an impression Saturday night.

For all-round quality, Pac-Cotto is not on the same level as Duran-Leonard or Olivares-Rose, but a mere three days after the fight my mind is still sufficiently blown to merit inclusion.

[teeto]

Miguel Lora vs Daniel Zaragoza is the one I'm stuck on at the moment. Lora put on a masterclass in this fight, with defensive intuitiveness I've only seen rivaled by Locche.
Nice.

I'd like to throw in a Gushiken one but to be brutal it's the opposition that's holding me back. I liked Chang-Zapata though, i know there's the weight issues. But it's how he executes his plan to perfection. No messing around with a bit of patience to land a shot like Bassa etc, just got close, got low, and threw everything sharp and hard over the top till the job was done, and it was done fast.

I just wanted to chime in, don't know my real answer to be honest.

[Addie]

I have often said this. Morales took punches in the McCullogh fight that an elite fighter just should not have taken.

I think Morales consciously abandoned his skills on occasion, evidenced by his beautifully elusive performance he put on against Paulie Ayala. He displayed great head movement, and his countering was often...exceptional. He pretty much showed everything in that fight. He very rarely got hit with a solid shot, he worked very well off the ropes, and he damn near closed the show in the 12th.

[Mantequilla]

Well the bar was set about as low as you can get against old Daniel.

The real point is how amazing the gap can be between two top world class fighters as far as avoiding punches goes.Notas if Erik didnt beat Zaragoza comfortably in the end doing is own thing.

[Addie]

Well the bar was set about as low as you can get against old Daniel.

The real point is how amazing the gap can be between two top world class fighters as far as avoiding punches goes.Notas if Erik didnt beat Zaragoza comfortably in the end doing is own thing.

Just saying, Morales wasn't incapable of displaying world class defensive ability, he just wasn't very disciplined.

[Vanboxingfan]

Thanks for the answers so far. Personally, I was most effected by watching the 38 year old Roberto Duran, looking soft up at 160lbs, out-boxing and out-punching the much larger, fresher, WBC Middleweight champion of the world, Iran Barkley. It was the same year I was born, so I was too young at the time, but if I ever want to be reminded as to why Duran gets rated so highly on the forum, I watch that fight. Perfect blend of defense and offensive, slipping punches, sometimes effortlessly, and naturally just throws combination's back on the counter, landing more often than not. Duran had no business doing that to Barkley, all things considered.

Hey I'm a old enough to remember that fight when it happened, never mind just being born b.s. But I do agree, if someone want's to watch a true boxing clinic..that's the fight to watch, it's as inspiring as it gets. And we people talk about how great Pac is or PBF is, I think of this fight, and the first Leonard fight if I want to put where they are into context of the great Roberto Duran.

[Addie]

Hey I'm a old enough to remember that fight when it happened, never mind just being born b.s. But I do agree, if someone want's to watch a true boxing clinic..that's the fight to watch, it's as inspiring as it gets. And we people talk about how great Pac is or PBF is, I think of this fight, and the first Leonard fight if I want to put where they are into context of the great Roberto Duran.

Most people felt it could have gone either way. Not me. 116-112, if I remember my card correctly.

[Mantequilla]

Just saying, Morales wasn't incapable of displaying world class defensive ability, he just wasn't very disciplined.


No doubt it was partly because he had such a good chin in his prime.

[WhataRock]

Olivares-Rose.

[Addie]

No doubt it was partly because he had such a good chin in his prime.

Absolutely. I also think he was very conscious of the fans, and always wanted to project the image of your typical Mexican warrior, who was there to entertain. He definitely prided himself on being tough. But like I said, Ayala was no world beater at 126lbs, but Morales won 11 rounds on my card. He was great that night, defensively and offensively.

[teeto]

Tszyu-Tackie was a fine performance. Albeit with its limited aggrigate skillset

[teeto]

Absolutely. I also think he was very conscious of the fans, and always wanted to project the image of your typical Mexican warrior, who was there to entertain. He definitely prided himself on being tough. But like I said, Ayala was no world beater at 126lbs, but Morales won 11 rounds on my card. He was great that night, defensively and offensively.
I didn't really thinkl it was to impress the fans, i just got the impression he liked fighting.

My last post for the night. Later.

[Mantequilla]

Park against Canto is worth a mention here.

Park is so sharp offensively and picks his spots so well, that Canto literally can't get out of the way of his right hand at all for much of the fight, and though faded Canto was still more or less a great fighter and defensive boxer.

[Popkins]

I think Morales consciously abandoned his skills on occasion, evidenced by his beautifully elusive performance he put on against Paulie Ayala. He displayed great head movement, and his countering was often...exceptional. He pretty much showed everything in that fight. He very rarely got hit with a solid shot, he worked very well off the ropes, and he damn near closed the show in the 12th.

I'm not saying Morales was devoid of any defensive skill, but fights like McCullough showed me he was not quite on the same level as many of the other best fighters of his era in terms of defence. It can't all be attributed to a desire for a tear-up, because there have been many fighters who loved a war, but still had the ability to avoid the most committed swings of B-level opponents (Toney being the prime example of this). I can't imagine Barrera or Marquez being hit so much by Wayne McC, even if they were in the mood for a ruckus.

[bigG]

corrales vs castilo...that last round was incredible, as was the whole build up to that point...maybe one of the finest 5 fights iv watched....

[nastynas]

Corrales vs. Castillo.

He fought Castillo's fight and pulled it out of the fire.

[My2Sense]

Foreman-Frazier for me, head and shoulders above anything else I've seen. My jaw was on the floor for a week after that one.

[turpinr]

benns comeback against mcclellan.after the fight experts were saying they knew g-man was only a 3 round fighter.phooey.
benn .......................what a warrior

[GPater11093]

Park against Canto is worth a mention here.

Park is so sharp offensively and picks his spots so well, that Canto literally can't get out of the way of his right hand at all for much of the fight, and though faded Canto was still more or less a great fighter and defensive boxer.

thats a great shout

my pick would be Rose vs Harada i know Harada was weight drainedbut i didnt know that when i seen it and Rose blew me away with his brilliant boxing

[Manassa]

thats a great shout

my pick would be Rose vs Harada i know Harada was weight drainedbut i didnt know that when i seen it and Rose blew me away with his brilliant boxing

What the fuck are you doing up this early?

[young griffo]

Jones Jnr-Griffin 2.

Jones came out all business in this one.He didn't clown,mug or any of that shit,he was angry and set on destruction from the get go for perhaps the only time in his career.

I wish he had that mindset a bit more often to be honest.

[turpinr]

What the fuck are you doing up this early?:lol::lol:paper round

[Manassa]

:lol::lol:paper round

:lol:

Shit - I've turned into one of those people who laugh at people just because they're younger :blood

:lol:

[AlFrancis]

I've got a few but I've gt to mention Donald Curry's destruction of Milt LcCrory. That long left hook was a thing of beauty. Curry looked almost the perfect fighter at that point in his career.

[turpinr]

:lol:

Shit - I've turned into one of those people who laugh at people just because they're younger :blood

:lol::lol::lol::lol:me too.he's 3 times younger than me,with some to spare.i hate the young:lol::lol:

[MAG1965]

Thomas Hearns vs. Cueves and Duran.

[bodhi]

Schmeling - Louis 1 - picking apart the most menacing hw ever in coldblooded fashion by using one single flaw in his game.

[Flea Man]

Has to be Duran-Palomino. Duran outhustles him on the outside, has the strength to bully the much bigger welter around, and negates his left hook to the body, dominating and decking him in the process. Duran's best performance for me, though I have a fondness for the patient sharp shooting he displays in the Guts Ishimatsu fight too.
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[Vantage_West]

is it a really bait answer to say douglas-tyson?

taxi for 1.

[Unforgiven]

Roy Jones Jr. against James Toney.
I wasn't expecting that level of domination at all.

The same can be said for Calzaghe v. Lacy, of course, but Lacy had obvious limitations. Whereas, I still cant fathom Toney being apparently outclassed by anyone.

[Mr Butt]

louis vs schmeling II a fight of huge global importance and after getting beat by max to score such a convincing ko win showed total self belief and will to win

[Tin_Ribs]

It gets mentioned quite a bit, but I've got to say Locche-Fuji. Fuji isn't likely to ever go down as the greatest fighter ever, but still.....un-fucking-believable. Locche's ability to slip, parry, feint, block off every inch of his upper body, roll from the shoulder OR the waist, read the trajectory of a punch before it was even thrown and set himself perfectly to counter with hooks, overhand rights and uppercuts was on full display. Almost savant-like.

[lefthook89]

hagler vs hearns, the two fought eachother as if they were possessed, neither would retreat or backdown for nothing, never slowed down or anything.

[lefthook31]

Tyson Douglas. I didnt go out after the fight, I was in such shock.

[GPater11093]

What the fuck are you doing up this early?

i should have been up earlier but i missed the school bus

:lol:

Shit - I've turned into one of those people who laugh at people just because they're younger :blood

:lol:

:lol::lol:

:lol::lol::lol:me too.he's 3 times younger than me,with some to spare.i hate the young:lol::lol:

:lol::lol:

[Flea Man]

Khaokor Galaxy vs Moon 2 is another favourite

[MrMarvel]

Thanks for the answers so far. Personally, I was most effected by watching the 38 year old Roberto Duran, looking soft up at 160lbs, out-boxing and out-punching the much larger, fresher, WBC Middleweight champion of the world, Iran Barkley. It was the same year I was born, so I was too young at the time, but if I ever want to be reminded as to why Duran gets rated so highly on the forum, I watch that fight. Perfect blend of defense and offensive, slipping punches, sometimes effortlessly, and naturally just throws combination's back on the counter, landing more often than not. Duran had no business doing that to Barkley, all things considered.

Maybe there's hope for you after all.

[Addie]

Maybe there's hope for you after all.

I still have very strong opinions regarding the way Leonard is often viewed in the Classic, but I appreciate great fighters. Very few were greater than Roberto Duran and Ray Leonard. In the Manny Pacquiao vs Sugar Ray Leonard, you should have simply reiterated what everyone already knew. Pacquiao gets seriously hurt in that fight if his punch resistance allows it, everything else is a foregone conclusion.

[Tin_Ribs]

Armstrong/Ross is another one. For a man to jump from feather to welter to face a fellow arguable top 10/15 all time great and longstanding champion - even if said champion was past his best - and then administer such a brutal pasting...... it's beyond extraordinary. And just as, if not moreso as, impressive as Duran jumping up from lightweight and outfighting Leonard.

[The Morlocks]

hagler vs hearns, the two fought eachother as if they were possessed, neither would retreat or backdown for nothing, never slowed down or anything.

Marvelous Marv's performance against Sibson left me stunned. He boxed as good if not better than anyone I'd seen that night. People get so caught up in the wars he had from 85 on that they forget Marvin was actually a boxer-puncher who was smooth as silk at his prime. and on the feb. night in 83, he was never better.:rasta

[MRBILL]

Nothing blew my mind and sent me into orbit as did the 1994 massive come-from-behind KO that George Foreman pulled off against Michael Moorer on HBO........ When Foreman landed his bomb and Moorer hit the deck in round 10, I popped a giant woodpecker........ Peace...

MR.BILL

[Rise Above]

Its hard to pick just one but recently the one that comes to mind is Hopkins - Pavlik.

[JohnThomas1]

Hearns - Duran, and i don't think this one needs rehashing.

[Blood Green]

Mayweather-Corrales

[asero]

a pre-prime pacquiao moving up in weight and demolishing p4p#3 barrera in his best weight infront of a pro mexican crowd...

to the point the barrera doesnt want to exercise his rematch clause...

[Addie]

a pre-prime pacquiao moving up in weight and demolishing p4p#3 barrera in his best weight infront of a pro mexican crowd...

to the point the barrera doesnt want to exercise his rematch clause...

Yup, instead he'd go on to cement his legacy against Erik Morales. Good shout, I knew you'd throw Manny's name out there, but in this instance, it's justified.

[The Morlocks]

a pre-prime pacquiao moving up in weight and demolishing p4p#3 barrera in his best weight infront of a pro mexican crowd...

to the point the barrera doesnt want to exercise his rematch clause...

that WAS a great performance. the second Morales blew me away too did note xpext Pac to win that one by ko:rasta

[Seamus]

Calzaghe-Lacy

[andrewcuff]

Fuck sake i'm split between 2 as well!!!

I'll go for Robinson against LaMotta then. I love the way that robinson paces himself in this fight, keeps it tight for the 1st 8 or 9 rounds. The footwork he shows is probably the best i've ever seen, keeps the distance exactly where he wants it, always able to throw punches, with leverage whether on the back front or on the offensive.

Then the way when LaMotta starts to get tired it like sugar flicks a switch, instead of playing the matador he becomes the destroyer. And he shows why i believe he has the best offense ever, power shots, thrown in all sorts of combinations, head and body and at every angle. A joy to watch the way he sits down on the punches and jake a horrendous beating. An all round complete performance in my opinion

Duran v Leonard was my 2nd choice

Which SRR-LaMotta fight was this?

[duranimal]

Tyson Douglas. I didnt go out after the fight, I was in such shock.

Yeh you were'nt the only one:scaredas:

1) Hagler/Hearns.......watched it live on sat-link at 5.30am with 3,000 other screaming piss-heads:D

2) Tyson/Douglas:scaredas:
3) Frazier/Foreman 1:scaredas:


I'll omit the duran victories just to show i ai'nt biased:p

[Flea Man]

Galaxy-Moon 2 :lol:

[Addie]

Galaxy-Moon 2 :lol:

:lol: You're such a Galaxy fanboy, Flea.

...Dunno how Cooper took those uppercuts for as long as he did against Holy. Brutal, brutal stuff.

[Flea Man]

:lol: You're such a Galaxy fanboy, Flea.

...Dunno how Cooper took those uppercuts for as long as he did against Holy. Brutal, brutal stuff.

It's mainly for laughs now:lol:Was a quality performance mind.

Was just saying today how Holyfield literally fights like a superhero! The Cooper fight is another example of him losing a round massively but not trying to bide himself time but to actually try and win the round: Awe-inspiring stuff. His accuracy, punch variety and speed is something to marvel at for a Heavyweight, and more than makes up for his lack of 'thudding' power.

[asero]

hopkins-pavlik

[Addie]

It's mainly for laughs now:lol:Was a quality performance mind.

Was just saying today how Holyfield literally fights like a superhero! The Cooper fight is another example of him losing a round massively but not trying to bide himself time but to actually try and win the round: Awe-inspiring stuff. His accuracy, punch variety and speed is something to marvel at for a Heavyweight, and more than makes up for his lack of 'thudding' power.

Yup. Holyfield was special. He just hit a road block against Bowe, who somehow stayed right with Holyfield every time the action would heat up. Holyfield wasn't used to seeing that.

[Flea Man]

Yup. Holyfield was special. He just hit a road block against Bowe, who somehow stayed right with Holyfield every time the action would heat up. Holyfield wasn't used to seeing that.

As Holyfield got a bit bigger though he managed to compete with Bowe even more closely.

I will re-score the 2nd fight but I'm pretty sure I had Holy winning.

There was clearly something wrong with Evander in the 3rd fight but I'm not one who buys all his excuses. Even then he managed to floor Bowe in the sloppiest fight of all three.

Ali had Norton.

[Addie]

As Holyfield got a bit bigger though he managed to compete with Bowe even more closely.

I will re-score the 2nd fight but I'm pretty sure I had Holy winning.

There was clearly something wrong with Evander in the 3rd fight but I'm not one who buys all his excuses. Even then he managed to floor Bowe in the sloppiest fight of all three.

Ali had Norton.

Holyfield gaining more muscle wasn't as much a factor as Bowe's weight gain in my judgment. Bowe of '92 beats any version of Holyfield.

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...Night and day?

[Flea Man]

Holyfield gaining more muscle wasn't as much a factor as Bowe's weight gain in my judgment. Bowe of '92 beats any version of Holyfield.

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...Night and day?

True. He also stuck to his gameplan more in the 2nd fight whilst Bowe was understandably more phased after the intrusion.

But I'm not sure that he beats 'any' version of Holyfield.

I'm working on a thread about Holyfield's legacy. In that, one of my main questions is 'which Holyfield was the best Holyfield?'

I'm trying to gather up the info. Have watched a lot of Evander. I've got a massive set, and am still devouring some of it. I'm not certain that there wasn't a version of Holyfield more equipped to deal with Bowe. But I'm gonna' see.

Where would you rank Holy on a top ten Heavy list? I think anywhere between 7-10 is fair.

[Addie]

True. He also stuck to his gameplan more in the 2nd fight whilst Bowe was understandably more phased after the intrusion.

But I'm not sure that he beats 'any' version of Holyfield.

I'm working on a thread about Holyfield's legacy. In that, one of my main questions is 'which Holyfield was the best Holyfield?'

I'm trying to gather up the info. Have watched a lot of Evander. I've got a massive set, and am still devouring some of it. I'm not certain that there wasn't a version of Holyfield more equipped to deal with Bowe. But I'm gonna' see.

Where would you rank Holy on a top ten Heavy list? I think anywhere between 7-10 is fair.

I don't have a top 10 Heavyweight list as guys like Dempsey and Marciano just haven't took my interest yet. I should have good knowledge on all the candidates before I commit myself, but I can imagine Holyfield being somewhere between 8-10. Good champion, amazing longevity, but often made tough work of average fighters, and ultimately went 1-2 against his greatest rival, and lost twice to Lewis. If we say Holyfield was past prime then, well we have to say the same for Tyson in Holyfield I.

[Flea Man]

I don't have a top 10 Heavyweight list as guys like Dempsey and Marciano just haven't took my interest yet. I should have good knowledge on all the candidates before I commit myself, but I can imagine Holyfield being somewhere between 8-10. Good champion, amazing longevity, but often made tough work of average fighters, and ultimately went 1-2 against his greatest rival, and lost twice to Lewis. If we say Holyfield was past prime then, well we have to say the same for Tyson in Holyfield I.

Oh, I'm not saying Holyfield was past prime at all. I think he was a fighter who fought in 'waves' after the first Bowe fight. Bowe definitely took Holyfields last bit of youth from him, but I think Holyfield was still capable of good performances right up to the 2nd Lewis fight. Past-prime then? Definitely? Shot or faded? Absolutely not IMO.

Bowe gets a lot of stick for 'only beating Holyfield' but deserves the massive amount of respect he gets in some quarters on here; he beat a damn fine fighter in the first fight, pushed a better one close in the 2nd (as well as there being some stupid circumstances) and beat a game but clearly fucked Holyfield (Hepatitis? I'm not sure. As I say, I don't buy all of Holyfields excuses but there was something wrong in that one. He's like Duran for excuses:patsch) in the third fight.

As I say, Holy wasn't shot in any of their fights. The 1st fight he got his tactics a bit wrong, should've mixed it up more. The 2nd fight Bowe had a bit of hardship. The 3rd fight was closely fought but Evander was only able to fight in spurts. I don;t totally write the win off because of what "Legendary Nights' says but Holy was fucked in that fight.

As was Bowe. But there rivalry wasn't a battle of chins or bodies it was a battle of wills, and in the rubber match Bowe just had a little bit more.

Overall they complemented each other beautifully; it made for intriguing and exciting fights and I believe both men come out of the series with a lot of credit.

On Tyson; he was no doubt past prime against Holyfield, about 7 years at least I reckon (Douglas was in '89 no? Either way Tyson was not at his best then)
But Tyson was up for it, and had been on a good run; showing just how dangerous he could be.

Holyfield shut him down, himself past prime. A damn good win IMO. Not as good as it would've been in their respective primes, but I fear neither crossed paths when both at their best and at a point where a fight between the two would be feasible.

Holyfield takes it too early; his gung-ho tactics get him blown away, even with his chin IMO.

He takes it a bit later when he's a little less wild and Tyson is a bit more one dimensional in his clubbing. Not as great a win for Evander.

Prime for prime? Well, as I say I still haven't established what I believe to be the 'best' version of Holyfield.

Hopefully the thread I'm working on; 'Holyfield's Legacy' will be able to help me come to a conclusion :good

Anyway, sleep needed. More Holy to watch tomorrow.

[anarci]

Chacon against bazooka limon really blew me away Ill never forget that one maybe my favorite fight of all time along with Barrera/Morales I . Remember that fight very clearly and i was only 11 or 12.

[anarci]

benn vs mclelland...brutal, enthraling, tragic..it was like watching a car crash..you knew you shouldnt but you couldnt take your eyes off the sheer spectacle and violence of the occasion...almost feral savagery Yey no doubt! Thats in my top 5 best fights ive seen. Looked over in the 1st round,and I thought McCellan was gonna go right through him. Both those guys sure laid it out on the line that night.

[Bill Butcher]

Please guys, don't list honorable mentions or multiple answers - I want only one definitive answer out of all of you. That one performance that will always stay with you for the rest of your life? Was it the green Cassius Clay, outboxing, out-punching the thought to be invincible Sonny Liston? Was it Duran moving up from 135lbs to bully arguably the second best Welterweight to ever put on a pair of gloves? Is it more obscure, against lesser opposition? Tell the Classic the most efficient performance you've ever seen, and try and explain it in good detail.

Muhammad Ali vs Cleveland Williams of course.

The best HW that ever lived putting on a masterful, flawless performance at the peak of his powers.

In under 3 short rds, Ali supposedly landed over 100 punches, Williams managed just 3.

[MIK1000]

Floyd vs Corralles. A complete dismantling of a top, undefeated fighter. It was about as one sided a fight between two top fighters as you can get.

[Flea Man]

Floyd vs Corralles. A complete dismantling of a top, undefeated fighter. It was about as one sided a fight between two top fighters as you can get.

In hindsiht however it's clear Corrales is nothing other than C class.

Sung Kil Moon however.......:deal

[prime]

I posted this nearly three years ago and today believe every word with the same awe:

Michael Spinks was a winner in every sense of the word and commanded such an aura. A sterling light heavy, he climbed to heavyweight and upset the undefeated Holmes twice. Then he destroyed the huge Cooney. By that time, he was a bona fide heavy and, yes, his weight, height, recent accomplishments and reputation were those of a solid heavyweight champion.

On the other hand, Mike Tyson had begun to show signs of perhaps unprecedented greatness, demolishing every solid man the division had to offer, with such a combination of destructive qualities as not seen since Foreman. And yet, the differences between Tyson and Foreman were evident: Foreman was slow and clumsy compared to Tyson. Even nonfans and casual fans were in awe of this specimen, wincing at the thought of getting caught with a swift Tyson hook. Tyson had caught the world’s imagination as only a true heavyweight talent can.

And so, the stage was set for a battle of champions. Ali had picked Spinks; Ring Magazine had crowned Spinks the true heavyweight champion. Tyson was favored, but, could he deliver? Could the clever Spinks, who Ali himself said was like rubber, so hard to hit, so confounding that Holmes could never figure out, so proud that he had always risen to the occasion, no matter how huge the challenge, box and move to a decision win? Could Spinks jinx this young brawler?

This was the stage on which Mike Tyson shone so brilliantly that night. At that pre-pervasive-steroids time, Tyson’s physique was so imposing, his aura so suddenly frightening, that even Spinks had to cave in before the bell. And when it rang, there was no contest. No winging, sloppy blows like in Zaire. No weak points out of greenness or poor fundamentals for the crafty Spinks to exploit. What a breathtaking, savage beating. For 91 seconds, it seemed like a professional boxer being banged and followed around the ring by a demon. The blows that put Spinks down, the first to the body and the other to the head, were works of perfection, masterfully thrown given the dynamics of the two moments.

I’ll say it again: when I compare this Tyson fight, and his others of the time, with film of the other so-called greats, I can see how Tyson was one of a kind, the epitome of a king heavyweight fighter.

The knockout punch is the doozy for me. It looks choreographed...at fast-forward speed...at heavyweight.

The moment is one of the reasons why I love to work out and never, ever, tire of what to the uninitiated is just boring repetition.

Mike's mind was so sharp in boxing at the time that his body intuitively -and seamlessly- executed a slip and perfect knockout counter in one motion against a seasoned all-time great, who had himself positioned himself well to avoid a bomb...to no avail. And on a pretty big stage.

Beauty borne of toil in the shadows.

[Bill Butcher]

I have often said this. Morales took punches in the McCullogh fight that an elite fighter just should not have taken.

If Erik heard you say this, the conversation between you would go something like.....

Morales: Did you enjoy it ?
Popkins: Of course, all your fights are wonderful except vs Raheem.
Morales: Exactly.

:good

[prime]

Morales: Did you enjoy it ?

Great crowd-pleaser. Great champion.

[Addie]

If Erik heard you say this, the conversation between you would go something like.....

Morales: Did you enjoy it ?
Popkins: Of course, all your fights are wonderful except vs Raheem.
Morales: Exactly.

:good

:lol::lol: Quality and so very true.

[Seamus]

Muhammad Ali vs Cleveland Williams of course.

The best HW that ever lived putting on a masterful, flawless performance at the peak of his powers.

In under 3 short rds, Ali supposedly landed over 100 punches, Williams managed just 3.

Williams was a never-was, washed up punching bag. This performance remains the most overrated by any heavy champion.

[Addie]

Williams was a never-was, washed up punching bag. This performance remains the most overrated by any heavy champion.

Do you have anything nice to say about anything?

[PhillyPhan69]

Sal sanchez vs Danny Lopez

I didn't think he had a chance going into this fight (didn't really know much about him at the time to be honest). I figured Little red to be have to much power. A great performance IMHO! I am sure that there are thousands as worhty or maybe even more so!

[EleventhHour]

RJJ vs. James Toney

and an Honorable Mention to Barrera-Hamed

[red cobra]

Schmeling - Louis 1 - picking apart the most menacing hw ever in coldblooded fashion by using one single flaw in his game.
I've got to agree with you on this one.

[lefthook31]

In hindsiht however it's clear Corrales is nothing other than C class.

Sung Kil Moon however.......:deal
C class? I dont know about that. At 130 he was looking like a monster and was touted as a live dog against Mayweather. Mayweather made him look C class, but he certainly wasnt a C class fighter.
To the thread topic, I was impressed with Frankie Randall taking apart Chavez, that was a great one. Certainly Tyson Douglas has to be tops too.

[Kalasinn]

I posted this nearly three years ago and today believe every word with the same awe:

Michael Spinks was a winner in every sense of the word and commanded such an aura. A sterling light heavy, he climbed to heavyweight and upset the undefeated Holmes twice. Then he destroyed the huge Cooney. By that time, he was a bona fide heavy and, yes, his weight, height, recent accomplishments and reputation were those of a solid heavyweight champion.

On the other hand, Mike Tyson had begun to show signs of perhaps unprecedented greatness, demolishing every solid man the division had to offer, with such a combination of destructive qualities as not seen since Foreman. And yet, the differences between Tyson and Foreman were evident: Foreman was slow and clumsy compared to Tyson. Even nonfans and casual fans were in awe of this specimen, wincing at the thought of getting caught with a swift Tyson hook. Tyson had caught the world’s imagination as only a true heavyweight talent can.

And so, the stage was set for a battle of champions. Ali had picked Spinks; Ring Magazine had crowned Spinks the true heavyweight champion. Tyson was favored, but, could he deliver? Could the clever Spinks, who Ali himself said was like rubber, so hard to hit, so confounding that Holmes could never figure out, so proud that he had always risen to the occasion, no matter how huge the challenge, box and move to a decision win? Could Spinks jinx this young brawler?

This was the stage on which Mike Tyson shone so brilliantly that night. At that pre-pervasive-steroids time, Tyson’s physique was so imposing, his aura so suddenly frightening, that even Spinks had to cave in before the bell. And when it rang, there was no contest. No winging, sloppy blows like in Zaire. No weak points out of greenness or poor fundamentals for the crafty Spinks to exploit. What a breathtaking, savage beating. For 91 seconds, it seemed like a professional boxer being banged and followed around the ring by a demon. The blows that put Spinks down, the first to the body and the other to the head, were works of perfection, masterfully thrown given the dynamics of the two moments.

I’ll say it again: when I compare this Tyson fight, and his others of the time, with film of the other so-called greats, I can see how Tyson was one of a kind, the epitome of a king heavyweight fighter.

The knockout punch is the doozy for me. It looks choreographed...at fast-forward speed...at heavyweight.

The moment is one of the reasons why I love to work out and never, ever, tire of what to the uninitiated is just boring repetition.

Mike's mind was so sharp in boxing at the time that his body intuitively -and seamlessly- executed a slip and perfect knockout counter in one motion against a seasoned all-time great, who had himself positioned himself well to avoid a bomb...to no avail. And on a pretty big stage.

Beauty borne of toil in the shadows.

I was going to describe why my choice was also Tyson vs. Spinks, but prime described the fight in a purely masterful way infinity times superior to how I could have.:good

[zadfrak]

A vote for Foreman--Frazier 1.

Anyone alive at the time and closely following the sport didn't see that sort of destruction coming. Some folks were picking George in the upset, but he was a big underdog in the fight. what nobody on the planet thought was that any human being could bounce Smokin Joe all over the place. And just physically dominate the guy like that. Or do things like lifting off his feet with a single punch.

Plus even in defeat, there was that unbelievable willpower and competitive nature and champion's heart of Frazier continuing to get up and carry on. Absolutely no quit. But watching that at the time & Cosell yelling and everything caused a stunned silence. You just don't see the great fighters destroyed like that.

Today with hindsight, everyone looks at the bout one way. Back then at the time, nobody had the foresight to predict that bad of an early beating to Frazier. There were rumors the next day that Frazier had died and you didn't have all the media sources like today to squash that rumor and that made for some anxious moments also.

[duranimal]

A vote for Foreman--Frazier 1.

Anyone alive at the time and closely following the sport didn't see that sort of destruction coming. Some folks were picking George in the upset, but he was a big underdog in the fight. what nobody on the planet thought was that any human being could bounce Smokin Joe all over the place. And just physically dominate the guy like that. Or do things like lifting off his feet with a single punch.

Plus even in defeat, there was that unbelievable willpower and competitive nature and champion's heart of Frazier continuing to get up and carry on. Absolutely no quit. But watching that at the time & Cosell yelling and everything caused a stunned silence. You just don't see the great fighters destroyed like that.

Today with hindsight, everyone looks at the bout one way. Back then at the time, nobody had the foresight to predict that bad of an early beating to Frazier. There were rumors the next day that Frazier had died and you didn't have all the media sources like today to squash that rumor and that made for some anxious moments also.

So true:deal Our commentator over in the UK at that time was Harry Carpenter who was the voice of the BBC & an expertly trained radio journo & not a man obviously to be stuck for words, well he was in this one, just total SHOCK:smoke

The impression it left on me is still with me today, this was "Smokin" Joe Frazier for fuck sake:scaredas::scaredas::scaredas: the main man who beat the man:deal

I'll never forget watching Foreman get into the ring & just bouncing around on the balls of his feet, he just oozed pure menace/danger & power, i was a teenager & never heard of foreman & did'nt really care as it was just great to watch "Smokin" Joe, Yeh Foreman deff earned the name of "Mankiller" after he went on to obliterate Norton as well:bbb

[natonic]

Sal sanchez vs Danny Lopez

I didn't think he had a chance going into this fight (didn't really know much about him at the time to be honest). I figured Little red to be have to much power. A great performance IMHO! I am sure that there are thousands as worhty or maybe even more so!

Yeah Sanchez came out of nowhere. I kept waiting for Lopez to turn it on and pull it out but Sanchez never gave him an opening.

I'll go with Sanchez vs. Gomez. Gomez was the favorite and I think I recall made threats to send Sanchez back to Mexico in a coffin. Sanchez essentially took Gomez out of the fight in the 1st round. Gomez showed great heart in being competitive until the 8th round but I don't think the outcome was ever in doubt after the first. Sanchez cemented his greatness with this effort. He was tremendously sharp offensively and seemed oblivious to Gomez's punches and showed incredible focus throughout the fight.

[Mantequilla]

It's the Kalule apologists i'm getting worried about....so many.Some of them actually think he deserved that fight with Kalambay!.

[Stevie G]

Please guys, don't list honorable mentions or multiple answers - I want only one definitive answer out of all of you. That one performance that will always stay with you for the rest of your life? Was it the green Cassius Clay, outboxing, out-punching the thought to be invincible Sonny Liston? Was it Duran moving up from 135lbs to bully arguably the second best Welterweight to ever put on a pair of gloves? Is it more obscure, against lesser opposition? Tell the Classic the most efficient performance you've ever seen, and try and explain it in good detail.
Muhammad Ali beating George Foreman. He won the way he was n't supposed to. His only chance was to keep George at bay with his jab,but as soon as his legs got tired,he was going to go the same way as Frazier and Norton before him. I still marvel at that fight.

[mcvey]

Williams was a never-was, washed up punching bag. This performance remains the most overrated by any heavy champion.

I bet Xmas was a barrel of laughs in your house. Mr Negative.:patsch

[Addie]

I bet Xmas was a barrel of laughs in your house. Mr Negative.:patsch

:lol: ...He's a miserable cunt.

[thejokerswild]

Louis Schmelling II > Tyson Spinks (prime you did a brilliant job commenting on that mate)

70 000+ fans screaming for one of the great fighter matchups in history, their nation, ideology and race(from germans POV) collide on the eve the most devestating but important wars in history.

Louis beaten by Mac before was seen as a genetically inferior human and a political win for the germans because he was a democratic african american, he went on to break Nazi Schmellings back and ko him in the first round.

In front of 70 000 spectators cheering on the great fighter and the conquering of freedom over fascism.

[mcvey]

Louis Schmelling II > Tyson Spinks (prime you did a brilliant job commenting on that mate)

70 000+ fans screaming for one of the great fighter matchups in history, their nation, ideology and race(from germans POV) collide during the most devestating but important wars in history.

Louis beaten before was seen as a genetically inferior human and a political win for the germans because he was a democratic african american, he went on to break Nazi Schmellings back and ko him in the first round.

In front of 70 000 spectators cheering on the great fighter and the conquering of freedom over dictatorship itself.

And then got prodded by an MP with a billy club, then arrested, along with Ray Robinson, for using a whites only phone box ,and this while wearing a sergeant's uniform of the US Army.Very democratic :lol:

[northernstar83]

Im going to deliberately be different and say James "Buster" Douglas KO'ing Mike Tyson :D

[thejokerswild]

[/u]

And then got prodded by an MP with a billy club, then arrested, along with Ray Robinson, for using a whites only phone box ,and this while wearing a sergeant's uniform of the US Army.Very democratic :lol:
You have a good point there :rofl.

I read that they were at an army fight and asked to sit at the bank near the food stalls because they were black.

Imagine asking Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson to sit in the back of a boxing match!?

You see old footage of them demeaning the hell out of him, asking him if the gorilla can speak and shit.

Sometimes Louis looked to have 0% interest and esteem for white people in those days and who could blame him. :-(

[Mike T]

I'm 32...It has to be Douglas/Tyson. Shocking.

[duranimal]

Muhammad Ali beating George Foreman. He won the way he was n't supposed to. His only chance was to keep George at bay with his jab,but as soon as his legs got tired,he was going to go the same way as Frazier and Norton before him. I still marvel at that fight.

So right mate:good How could i forget:scaredas: I think my natural bias against Ali had filed this fight away in the file & forget memory banks, absolutly unbelievable that he should beat Foreman never mind knocking him out:scaredas: there was a good chance that he could end up dead according to some the press back then.

[Bokaj]

Many good mentions. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Leonard's victories over Benitez and Hagler, and that so few has mentioned Hearns' over Duran.

To narrow it down, I'm just going to pick among the ones I've seen live (on TV) and the winner there is Jones against Toney. Toney was regarded as a great fighter, but was just outclassed. I just sat there thinking to myself "what the fuck?". It just didn't seem possible that such a good fighter could be handled so easily.

[McGrain]

Robinson versus LaMotta VI.

A bigger, stronger, pressure fighter dismantled in the definitive backfoot punching performance. An unstoppable fighter stopped. Robinson showed everything in that fight. It's an underated performance.

[GPater11093]

Robinson versus LaMotta VI.

A bigger, stronger, pressure fighter dismantled in the definitive backfoot punching performance. An unstoppable fighter stopped. Robinson showed everything in that fight. It's an underated performance.

Definitly you really got me into that fight. Just brilliaant domination from round 10 onwards.

McGrain have you seen Harada vs Kingpetch 1? and whats your thoughts of Kingpetch in general?

[McGrain]

Yeah, I watched it on youtube, cracking fight.

I went through a phasse of being obsessed with Kingpetch...I even tried to sneak him into my top 100, haha. I don't rate him that highly any more, though I guess i'll always have a soft spot for him.

[Flea Man]

Yeah, I watched it on youtube, cracking fight.

I went through a phasse of being obsessed with Kingpetch...I even tried to sneak him into my top 100, haha. I don't rate him that highly any more, though I guess i'll always have a soft spot for him.

I've heard a lot say that about Kingpetch. Watching HL's of the Perez fights (ain't seen the Harada scraps yet, weird as I hold Masahiko in such high regard) he seems an awkward operator and definitely a decent flyweight; Regardless of how many fights Perez had, he still looked 'live' and Kingpetch seemed to get the better of what I was watching, which is as much of a plus as you can get from me, seeing as I have a man crush on Perez:lol:

[Flea Man]

You have a good point there :rofl.

I read that they were at an army fight and asked to sit at the bank near the food stalls because they were black.

Imagine asking Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson to sit in the back of a boxing match!?

You see old footage of them demeaning the hell out of him, asking him if the gorilla can speak and shit.

Sometimes Louis looked to have 0% interest and esteem for white people in those days and who could blame him. :-(

If I remember correctly Ray was ready to swing bombs until The Brown Bomber sorted the situation out:lol:The worst two people you could be racist too IMO

[GPater11093]

Yeah, I watched it on youtube, cracking fight.

I went through a phasse of being obsessed with Kingpetch...I even tried to sneak him into my top 100, haha. I don't rate him that highly any more, though I guess i'll always have a soft spot for him.

What do you think of Harada's performance. I have him winning every round with the last 2 round sbeing 10-8 against a top ten Flyweight. Harada being very young aswell its simply amazing. The rematch is a great fight although i thought Harada deserved it.

I've heard a lot say that about Kingpetch. Watching HL's of the Perez fights (ain't seen the Harada scraps yet, weird as I hold Masahiko in such high regard) he seems an awkward operator and definitely a decent flyweight; Regardless of how many fights Perez had, he still looked 'live' and Kingpetch seemed to get the better of what I was watching, which is as much of a plus as you can get from me, seeing as I have a man crush on Perez:lol:

I thought he was class against Perez just dominated him in the rematch and in the first fight his jab really controlled it. You need to see the Harada vs Kingpetch 1

[he grant]

Holyfield /Tyson 1

[Monte Fisto]

Holmes vs. Norton...the last 3 rounds of that fight are amazing. But that 15th round was a thing of beauty...starts of w/ jabs and Norton seems to be doing really well then at 1:44 of the clip attached it just turns into a dogfight....great stuff...dont get this in the HW division anymore.

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[Flea Man]

Holmes vs. Norton...the last 3 rounds of that fight are amazing. But that 15th round was a thing of beauty...starts of w/ jabs and Norton seems to be doing really well then at 1:44 of the clip attached it just turns into a dogfight....great stuff...dont get this in the HW division anymore.

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Especially coz Holmes was injured.

[The Predator]

Well.
A lot of good fights comes to my mind but if I could take it down to two fight´s that really impressed me and probably shaped me as a boxer and now a trainer it would be leonard - Hagler or Ali- Williams.
I have to pick one. Ok.
Muhammad Ali - Cleveland Williams
Cheers
The Predator

[VX.Nefarious]

Well this fight took place long before i existed, Salvador Sanchez vs. Wilfredo Gomez. I was around 12 years old, when i went to the Escondido Swap Meet, there i bought i bootleg VHS tape, it had several fights, including Salvador Sanchez vs. Wilfredo Gomez, no one i knew at the time was a serious Boxing fan, so i knew nothing about them, i watched it, and i was shocked, loved every single minute of it, will never forget the day i saw that fight. I was obviously rutting for Sanchez simply because he was Mexican:D, after watching this i started checking out a fights from the pest by any means necessary(at the time i didn't even have a computer let alone Internet) so it was difficult, Sachez boxed superbly, and Gomez was a warrior.

now a when alive, Marquez vs Pacquiao 1, i was a Marquez fan, i was thinking Marquez can win this, i know it, when it started, it was lovely, .... but then manny dropped Marquez once... i was like fuck! then again! i was like nooo!!! then the 3rd time and i was crushed, Pacman had KO'd Marquez in the 1st, and i had hoped he could somewhat avenge my current favorite fighter's(MAB) defeat, .... but Marquez got up!... i was sure Manny would KO Marquez in the next few rounds, but then Marquez started winning rounds and i came back to life. you guys know what happened next, since then i became i huge Marquez fan.

others:

Barrera vs Hamed (loved when people were throwing their drinks at Hamed, while he was flying :rofl)

[duranimal]

now a when alive, Marquez vs Pacquiao 1, i was a Marquez fan, i was thinking Marquez can win this, i know it, when it started, it was lovely, .... but then manny dropped Marquez once... i was like fuck! then again! i was like nooo!!! then the 3rd time and i was crushed, Pacman had KO'd Marquez in the 1st, and i had hoped he could somewhat avenge my current favorite fighter's(MAB) defeat, .... but Marquez got up!... i was sure Manny would KO Marquez in the next few rounds, but then Marquez started winning rounds and i came back to life. you guys know what happened next, since then i became i huge Marquez fan.

I hope JMM gets his props after he's retired, a truly great boxer & it's just a pity that he had to live in the shadow of MAB & Eric. I think his trouble started when he turned down what arum offered him for a fight way back & he ended up getting stripped of his title as arum said he could'nt sell the fight & hence no other purse offers so he lost his belt, something like that i think, then he had to go east & fight chris john.

A master boxer indeed & one of the best counterpunchers i've seen in a long while, he had manny's number for me, there's always one out there that has someone's. Pity he had to go up & fight Mayweather but it's a biz after all & they all fight for pay at the end of the day:smoke

[mcvey]

:lol:

Shit - I've turned into one of those people who laugh at people just because they're younger :blood

:lol:

An admirable quality :good

[mcvey]

please guys, don't list honorable mentions or multiple answers - i want only one definitive answer out of all of you. that one performance that will always stay with you for the rest of your life? Was it the green cassius clay, outboxing, out-punching the thought to be invincible sonny liston? Was it duran moving up from 135lbs to bully arguably the second best welterweight to ever put on a pair of gloves? Is it more obscure, against lesser opposition? Tell the classic the most efficient performance you've ever seen, and try and explain it in good detail.

How about Archie Moore at the age of 46, being dropped 3 times in the 1st round and once in the 4th,by thunderous punching Yvonne Durelle, then coming back to drop Durelle 4 times for an 11th rd ko?

[Addie]

I hope JMM gets his props after he's retired, a truly great boxer & it's just a pity that he had to live in the shadow of MAB & Eric. I think his trouble started when he turned down what arum offered him for a fight way back & he ended up getting stripped of his title as arum said he could'nt sell the fight & hence no other purse offers so he lost his belt, something like that i think, then he had to go east & fight chris john.

A master boxer indeed & one of the best counterpunchers i've seen in a long while, he had manny's number for me, there's always one out there that has someone's. Pity he had to go up & fight Mayweather but it's a biz after all & they all fight for pay at the end of the day:smoke

Marquez already gets his props. He's been in top 5 P4P for a number of years now, and some people, crazy bastards I might add, rate him higher than Morales and Barrera. I'll bring the issue up to them again after they sober up in the morning.

[Bioyhh]

A vote for Foreman--Frazier 1.

Anyone alive at the time and closely following the sport didn't see that sort of destruction coming. Some folks were picking George in the upset, but he was a big underdog in the fight. what nobody on the planet thought was that any human being could bounce Smokin Joe all over the place. And just physically dominate the guy like that. Or do things like lifting off his feet with a single punch.

Plus even in defeat, there was that unbelievable willpower and competitive nature and champion's heart of Frazier continuing to get up and carry on. Absolutely no quit. But watching that at the time & Cosell yelling and everything caused a stunned silence. You just don't see the great fighters destroyed like that.

Today with hindsight, everyone looks at the bout one way. Back then at the time, nobody had the foresight to predict that bad of an early beating to Frazier. There were rumors the next day that Frazier had died and you didn't have all the media sources like today to squash that rumor and that made for some anxious moments also.

I was around at the time and I actually had Foreman going into this fight. I had made a point of following George's career after he turned pro and with each fight I was more impressed with him. I loved Frazier, but I really thought that Foreman represented something new in the heavyweight division. Still, the utter destruction of Frazier was shocking. The fight couldn't have been more one-sided. After that pummeling, and the equally one-sided blitz of Norton, I thought that no one alive could beat Foreman. Of course, I soon learned that the moment you believe a fighter is unbeatable that is just about the time that someone else comes along to beat him. It's inevitable.

[Gesta]

I posted this nearly three years ago and today believe every word with the same awe:

Michael Spinks was a winner in every sense of the word and commanded such an aura. A sterling light heavy, he climbed to heavyweight and upset the undefeated Holmes twice. Then he destroyed the huge Cooney. By that time, he was a bona fide heavy and, yes, his weight, height, recent accomplishments and reputation were those of a solid heavyweight champion.

On the other hand, Mike Tyson had begun to show signs of perhaps unprecedented greatness, demolishing every solid man the division had to offer, with such a combination of destructive qualities as not seen since Foreman. And yet, the differences between Tyson and Foreman were evident: Foreman was slow and clumsy compared to Tyson. Even nonfans and casual fans were in awe of this specimen, wincing at the thought of getting caught with a swift Tyson hook. Tyson had caught the world’s imagination as only a true heavyweight talent can.

And so, the stage was set for a battle of champions. Ali had picked Spinks; Ring Magazine had crowned Spinks the true heavyweight champion. Tyson was favored, but, could he deliver? Could the clever Spinks, who Ali himself said was like rubber, so hard to hit, so confounding that Holmes could never figure out, so proud that he had always risen to the occasion, no matter how huge the challenge, box and move to a decision win? Could Spinks jinx this young brawler?

This was the stage on which Mike Tyson shone so brilliantly that night. At that pre-pervasive-steroids time, Tyson’s physique was so imposing, his aura so suddenly frightening, that even Spinks had to cave in before the bell. And when it rang, there was no contest. No winging, sloppy blows like in Zaire. No weak points out of greenness or poor fundamentals for the crafty Spinks to exploit. What a breathtaking, savage beating. For 91 seconds, it seemed like a professional boxer being banged and followed around the ring by a demon. The blows that put Spinks down, the first to the body and the other to the head, were works of perfection, masterfully thrown given the dynamics of the two moments.

I’ll say it again: when I compare this Tyson fight, and his others of the time, with film of the other so-called greats, I can see how Tyson was one of a kind, the epitome of a king heavyweight fighter.

The knockout punch is the doozy for me. It looks choreographed...at fast-forward speed...at heavyweight.

The moment is one of the reasons why I love to work out and never, ever, tire of what to the uninitiated is just boring repetition.

Mike's mind was so sharp in boxing at the time that his body intuitively -and seamlessly- executed a slip and perfect knockout counter in one motion against a seasoned all-time great, who had himself positioned himself well to avoid a bomb...to no avail. And on a pretty big stage.

Beauty borne of toil in the shadows.

Great read.

[VX.Nefarious]

Marquez already gets his props. He's been in top 5 P4P for a number of years now, and some people, crazy bastards I might add, rate him higher than Morales and Barrera. I'll bring the issue up to them again after they sober up in the morning.


very wrong to rate JMM over both EM and MAB, so continue to enlighten those CBs.

[duranimal]

Marquez already gets his props. He's been in top 5 P4P for a number of years now, and some people, crazy bastards I might add, rate him higher than Morales and Barrera. I'll bring the issue up to them again after they sober up in the morning.

Obviously i should have structured the poste " As in getting his props with regard too MAB & Eric" regardless of any P4P ranking he's never been fully on the radar, always on the outside looking in & is only really talked about as in regard to the 1st Pac fight, always 2nd fiddle & never a main liner in the public conciousness more's the pity.

[LukeO]

Ali vs Cleveland williams. Brilliant display of boxing.

[I am Legion]

Buster Douglas vs Tyson.

For one night Buster fought like a true great and showed everything; hand speed, combinations, power and above all grit and determination.

Makes you wonder what might have been?

[Addie]

Obviously i should have structured the poste " As in getting his props with regard too MAB & Eric" regardless of any P4P ranking he's never been fully on the radar, always on the outside looking in & is only really talked about as in regard to the 1st Pac fight, always 2nd fiddle & never a main liner in the public conciousness more's the pity.

His own fault. He was poorly managed. Didn't take an immediate rematch with Pacquiao, fought John in Indonesia for christ sake, and was fighting lackluster competition until 03 anyway. It's not a great injustice, really. He wasn't up there with Marco and Erik because he wasn't fighting that level of competition, and that's how it works in this game. The better fighters you beat, the more recognition you get.

[punchy]

Hearns demolition of Duran, two all time greats and Duran is knocked from pillar to post no one had done this before.

[janitor]

Im going to deliberately be different and say James "Buster" Douglas KO'ing Mike Tyson :D

Despite my old timer bias, this might just be my favourite fight.

[The Morlocks]

Marvelous Marv's performance against Sibson left me stunned. He boxed as good if not better than anyone I'd seen that night. People get so caught up in the wars he had from 85 on that they forget Marvin was actually a boxer-puncher who was smooth as silk at his prime. and on the feb. night in 83, he was never better.:rasta
another great aweinspiring night was Gomez' asskicking against LaPorte. Before the fight Juan said the cfight could never be held in PR, because it would tear the island apart. HOW WRONG HE WAS. They were all for Gomez. One more laPorte gets hit early and fights defensive to last the distance. And with a cup up around his tits. W'out the cup so high, Gomez and McGigan might have stopped him. But LaPorte was easily cowed in fights. Pedroza did it two yeaqrs earlier. Gomez performance against Zarate of course was the best performance I'd seen besides Duran-Paliomino and Hagler-Sibson.:bbb

[leverage]

whitaker vs. chavez, camacho vs. ramirez. clay vs. liston, ali vs foreman. The way Ali handled foreman was incredible, any other heavyweight gets destroyed.

[Seamus]

whitaker vs. chavez

Really? Despite the publicity campaign that suggests otherwise, that was a close fight. I thought both guys were sub par that night. Maybe because I paid thousands to fly down there and catch that shitfest live.

[Robot16]

Absolutely. I also think he was very conscious of the fans, and always wanted to project the image of your typical Mexican warrior, who was there to entertain. He definitely prided himself on being tough. But like I said, Ayala was no world beater at 126lbs, but Morales won 11 rounds on my card. He was great that night, defensively and offensively.


Yeh i have to agree, even after the first PAc fight after being asked why he switched southpaw, he jsut responded "did u enjoy it?" with a smile.:good

Thats why every boxing fan should be his fan


If Erik heard you say this, the conversation between you would go something like.....

Morales: Did you enjoy it ?
Popkins: Of course, all your fights are wonderful except vs Raheem.
Morales: Exactly.

:good

[AlFrancis]

Don't know about the most mind blowing but I really enjoyed Sean O'Grady's performance in the Hilmer Kenty fight. He came in as underdog and worked Kenty over gooddstyle. Beatiful exhibition of body punching!

[duranimal]

His own fault. He was poorly managed. Didn't take an immediate rematch with Pacquiao, fought John in Indonesia for christ sake, and was fighting lackluster competition until 03 anyway. It's not a great injustice, really. He wasn't up there with Marco and Erik because he wasn't fighting that level of competition, and that's how it works in this game. The better fighters you beat, the more recognition you get.

You say it was his own fault & was poorly managed by Bob Arum! Did he turn down a re-match with Pacquiao then??? also tell me how he would have to have gone about getting a shot at MAB & Eric!

[Addie]

You say it was his own fault & was poorly managed by Bob Arum! Did he turn down a re-match with Pacquiao then??? also tell me how he would have to have gone about getting a shot at MAB & Eric!

By not losing to Norwood. He didn't have the style to attract HBO early on really it would seem, whereas both Barrera and Morales did. His team made bad management decisions through his career.

[redrooster]

I would say Hearns-Duran until the Hagler Hearns fight. Since then nothing fazes me

[PunchOut]

Erik Morales overpower, outboxing and schooled Pacman all day long in the first fight of his trilogy

[Sardu]

Hagler in april of 85' vs Hearns.

[Sardu]

The unprecedented way that Hearns had disposed of the iron-chinned Duran was possitively chilling.... Hearns was downright scary that evening... Although, upon deeper anaylsis, this was an ill-prepared Roberto as opposed to the well-trained one that fought a very smart and scrappy fight against Hagler... Still though, it influenced what a lot of the boxing pundits were predicting for the Hagler-Hearns superfight... Duran had said that it would be a man against a boy when he took on Hearns.... The Hit Man had morphed into the Motor City Cobra and seemed to lose some of his earlier zip after the Leonard loss in 81'... He was winning a lot of decisions instead of his scoring the spectacular knockouts of pre-Leonard.... The Duran anihilation was head-turning and positively shocking to those who witnessed it.... The Hagler-Hearns fight was billed as a battle between two ultimate-destroyers and it more than lived up to its billing.

[Jersey Joe]

Hearns vs Duran

[mike_bngs]

Hagler starching Hearns, the fights awesome and the second the doctor steps in the hair on my neck stands up!

[mike_bngs]

my brother who is a casual fan still cannot get over the Tua Ruiz fight he saw on youtube. In his mind Tua is one of the hw greats.

[The Funny Man 7]

Mattheew Saad Muhammed taking INSANE punishment during the first half of the second Yaqui Lopez fight before roaring back to score the 14th round stoppage.

[tommygun711]

I'll never forget when Mercer ICED Morrison.. I thought Morrison had this one in the bag from start to finish.

[RockysSplitNose]

I'll never forget when Mercer ICED Morrison.. I thought Morrison had this one in the bag from start to finish.

Trying to think back - if we're talking 'mindblowing' I was going to say Michael Bentt stopping Tommy Morrison in one blew me away aswell as Tommy - then there was mindblowing in the sense of someone producing an almost immaculate performance such as Lennox Lewis against Rahman to take back his title - and everytime I go back and watch George Foreman versus Muhammad Ali that is always mindblowing :nut

[john garfield]

After bein' dropped four times, Archie Moore's stoppage of Yvonne Durrell.

[RockysSplitNose]

After bein' dropped four times, Archie Moore's stoppage of Yvonne Durrell.

Great shout :good I have a DVD i burnt of all my favourite ever fights and that is on there - how Arch even got up from that 3rd knockdown in the first round is beyond me???? That was truly a :nut:nut:nut:nutmindblowing punch!! Moore was pure genius

[Primadonna Kool]

There's many but I'll go with

Sugar Ray Robinson's 13 Rd Stoppage of Jake LaMotta that's one of the fights that blow me away when ever I watch it.

Witnessed live..? i don't think so...

[Duodenum]

One of the last fights I really watched was Pazienza-Sims. Vinny manhandled him physically, legs looked great, and the speed was still there after his car accident. I also watched him get decked for the first time in his career by Duran, and negotiate the rematch with El Cholo, but saw nothing which prepared me for what I saw happen to him next. Pazienza still looked very, very good.

RJJ-Pazienza may have been the final major match I watched live. Paz (who I didn't care for all that much) was punching for the body, and yet despite all Vinny's speed, Roy goes through a complete round without getting hit once, a first in CompuBox history. Years later, I figured he'd beat Ruiz, because how do you beat somebody you can't hit at all? At his best, Roy was a freak. Too bad when he did get hit, he didn't have the chin to take it.

[dpw417]

Ali/Frazier III.

It is the most vicious heavyweight fight I've ever seen. Each fighter paid a terrible price. Both were great , great fighters...amazing performance by each one.

[burt bienstock]

Please guys, don't list honorable mentions or multiple answers - I want only one definitive answer out of all of you. That one performance that will always stay with you for the rest of your life? Was it the green Cassius Clay, outboxing, out-punching the thought to be invincible Sonny Liston? Was it Duran moving up from 135lbs to bully arguably the second best Welterweight to ever put on a pair of gloves? Is it more obscure, against lesser opposition? Tell the Classic the most efficient performance you've ever seen, and try and explain it in good detail.
The one performance that will always stay with me was in MSG in 1945,when I saw the absolute prime Welterweight Ray Robinson fight a
tough Californian body puncher named Jimmy McDaniels..I and my dad had perfect saeats sitting 2 rows above the ring..McDaniels who I saw a short time before ko a young sensation Aaron Perry, opened up on Robinson's lean midsection, while Ray tied him up, and it appeared to us that the
rugged looking McDaniels would wear Ray down soon. Well the second
round bell sounded and Ray tied up Jimmy, looked up in our direction and
seemed so bored..The ref broke them from their clinch, and Robinson
EXPLODED, hooks, crosses, uppercuts , each at the point of McDaniels
chin, at a blurring speed, knocking tough the tough McDaniels COLD..
The crowd was stunned by the speed, power and accuracy of this
Display of the Welterweight Robinson...To this day, I am in awe of
the PRIME Sugar Ray....Greatest fighter I rever saw ,barring NONE...

[Ponysmallhorse]

Robinson - basillio 1

[Swarmer]

Hagler-Hearns. I didn't really understand boxing too much till I watched that shit. Short, very short but explosive, furious, angry stuff. Set my heart on fire. It's not the best fight I've ever seen, but it was my first taste of an ATG amazing boxing fight, incredible stuff. It was like watching Dragon Ball Z in real life to me(:lol: i know). I hated sports for real until I saw that shit. Awesome.

[johnmaff36]

ali v williams. outstanding

[johnmaff36]

sorry, think i misunderstood the post. Have to go for tyson-spinks. Two undefeated heavyweight champs, the build-up was unreal for months and the way Tyson dispatched him was truly memorable

[AlFrancis]

No doubt for me. Hearns blow out of Duran sticks out for me. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, I was gutted.

[Stevie G]

Please guys, don't list honorable mentions or multiple answers - I want only one definitive answer out of all of you. That one performance that will always stay with you for the rest of your life? Was it the green Cassius Clay, outboxing, out-punching the thought to be invincible Sonny Liston? Was it Duran moving up from 135lbs to bully arguably the second best Welterweight to ever put on a pair of gloves? Is it more obscure, against lesser opposition? Tell the Classic the most efficient performance you've ever seen, and try and explain it in good detail.
Out of many potential choices,I'd still say Muhammad Ali beating George Foreman. Not just beating him,but the way that he accomplished it. Doing exactly what he SHOULD N'T have done.

[Stevie G]

The one performance that will always stay with me was in MSG in 1945,when I saw the absolute prime Welterweight Ray Robinson fight a
tough Californian body puncher named Jimmy McDaniels..I and my dad had perfect saeats sitting 2 rows above the ring..McDaniels who I saw a short time before ko a young sensation Aaron Perry, opened up on Robinson's lean midsection, while Ray tied him up, and it appeared to us that the
rugged looking McDaniels would wear Ray down soon. Well the second
round bell sounded and Ray tied up Jimmy, looked up in our direction and
seemed so bored..The ref broke them from their clinch, and Robinson
EXPLODED, hooks, crosses, uppercuts , each at the point of McDaniels
chin, at a blurring speed, knocking tough the tough McDaniels COLD..
The crowd was stunned by the speed, power and accuracy of this
Display of the Welterweight Robinson...To this day, I am in awe of
the PRIME Sugar Ray....Greatest fighter I rever saw ,barring NONE...
It must have been awesome seeing Robinson in his pomp. How do you rate Tommy Bell in the all time welterweight list ?

[Stevie G]

No doubt for me. Hearns blow out of Duran sticks out for me. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, I was gutted.
I was totally shocked by this one. Like a lot of people,I thought that Hearns would win it,but not the way that he did.

[Bukkake]

I agree with jg that Moore-Durelle was a bit special... but if we're talking about an out-of-this-world, brilliant performance, I'll have to vote for Joe Louis vs Max Baer. Louis looked mindblowingly fantastic in that one, I think!

[burt bienstock]

It must have been awesome seeing Robinson in his pomp. How do you rate Tommy Bell in the all time welterweight list ?
I rate Tommy Bell very ,very highly as a WELTERWEIGHT...Probably just behind Sugar Ray and [Keed] Gavilan..His misfortune was to give Robinson two close battles [flooring Ray once], that very few welters wanted to fight Bell. So he had to fight middleweights such as Jake Lamotta twice,
the now forgotten power punching Steve Belloise, and Anton Raadik who
dropped Marcel Cerdan a couple of times...If not for Robinson and most likely Gavilan I rate Tommy Bell, the best welter at his best in the early
1940s..

[red cobra]

Schmeling-Louis I. I know how great and legendary the rematch was, but the staggering upset of the terrifying, invincible young destroyer Joe Louis by the cool, calculating and utterly courageous Max Schmeling is more amazing the more I think about it...it was a masterclass of strategy and cool determination under fire...considering how Louis was, until then, making guys shit and wet their britches in fright even before the first bell.

[red cobra]

I agree with jg that Moore-Durelle was a bit special... but if we're talking about an out-of-this-world, brilliant performance, I'll have to vote for Joe Louis vs Max Baer. Louis looked mindblowingly fantastic in that one, I think!
That could be the winning call, Louis-Baer..even more so than the one I made.

[burt bienstock]

That could be the winning call, Louis-Baer..even more so than the one I made.
Aside from the prime Robinson destroying McDaniels in 1945, i would concur on the young coil spring Joe Louis koing the GRANITE JAW Max Baer in 1935..Louis that night was a marvel of hand speed and crushing
power and accuracy...He hit the underated jaw of Max Baer often and
leveraged power, that would have dropped Ali, Chuvallo,or any heavyweight before the iron jawed but outmatched Max Baer fell.
I remember some Dr. many many years ago during Louis's zenith years,
saying that "the human body was not meant to withstand the fury of
a Joe Louis assault, at his best", and I agree....

[red cobra]

Aside from the prime Robinson destroying McDaniels in 1945, i would concur on the young coil spring Joe Louis koing the GRANITE JAW Max Baer in 1935..Louis that night was a marvel of hand speed and crushing
power and accuracy...He hit the underated jaw of Max Baer often and
leveraged power, that would have dropped Ali, Chuvallo,or any heavyweight before the iron jawed but outmatched Max Baer fell.
I remember some Dr. many many years ago during Louis's zenith years,
saying that "the human body was not meant to withstand the fury of
a Joe Louis assault, at his best", and I agree....That Louis-Baer fight to me, anyway, shows Louis at a level above even that he showed in any title defense that he had...a mobile, fleet footed boxer/puncher...it's an amazing, jewel of a performance that convinced me that Louis was the greatest hvwwgt champ of all time..not Ali.

[tommygun711]

That Louis-Baer fight to me, anyway, shows Louis at a level above even that he showed in any title defense that he had...a mobile, fleet footed boxer/puncher...it's an amazing, jewel of a performance that convinced me that Louis was the greatest hvwwgt champ of all time..not Ali.
Ali is a close second and should be in the top three at the most
But it was a great great preformance and showed that Louis can dispose of quality opponents in ONE ROUND.

[Nicky P]

Willie Pep vs. Sandy Saddler III. Pep pulled out all the tricks he had and boxed beautifully until he seperated his shoulder in the 7th round.

Pep put on a boxing clinic on how to outbox and out-think a very aggressive, tough, and much taller opponent.

[Nicky P]

I didn't witness that live or anything though.

The most memorable mindblowing fight I remember was Evander vs. Riddick I.

[Dynamite]

Ali v Clevland Williams fight. my favourite display of boxing ever.

[Son of Gaul]

It pains me to say it but...Buster Douglas v Mike Tyson.

[Seamus]

Maske-Rocchigiani II

[EverLast]

very difficult to pick a single one....

theres numerous ones i remember, but one that sticks out was lloyd honeygahn vs don curry...no one gave honeygahn a chance before the fight...

also, duran vs leanord 1.....

douglas vs tyson is worth mentioning, although in hindsight its easy to see that mikes life had spiralled out of control, no one gave douglas a chance, and no one was prepared for how much tyson had deteriorated...

[mrbassie]

First thing that came to mind was the fight of the century. Frazier was like a machine in that fight.

[mrbassie]

It pains me to say it but...Buster Douglas v Mike Tyson.


I watched that again not long ago, Douglas was fantastic. It's such a pity that it took so much to motivate him; what might he have done in his career if he had a different mentality?

[groove]

ali v cleveland williams - can never tire of watching that performance. he would've made any fighter look like an amateur. his movement, speed, combos, timing has never been surpassed in the heavyweight division. boxing at it's finest and the shuffle :rasta

[burt bienstock]

ali v cleveland williams - can never tire of watching that performance. he would've made any fighter look like an amateur. his movement, speed, combos, timing has never been surpassed in the heavyweight division. boxing at it's finest and the shuffle :rasta
Cleveland Williams, at that time was a shot fighter. No pun intended ...

[groove]

just like patterson 65 and terrell 67 were shot fighters - he made them all look like amateurs. just like schmeling in his rematch v louis - he did look like a shot fighter - holding onto the ropes saying hit me joe lol. well maybe he didn't want to be known as hitler's fighter so that's a good reason for being so bad :)

[jaffay]

Ali-Frazier I. Frazier was God then.

Duran-Leonard I. I've never seen 2 fighters of such calibre fighting on such high level.

[groove]

frazier was a god who was lucky to come against another god who was banned from boxing for 4 years. lets see hamed come back from that oh no chance. lets see ricky hatton try and come back after 2 years. that's reality my friend not record books.

[Primadonna Kool]

Usain Bolt's 9.58sec........

Nah ermmmmmmmm, i don't like this thread.

The topic, should be changed to......"Whats the single most mindblowing perforamance you have witnessed live"..!!!

I was impressed and shocked when Bernard Hopkins beat Kelly Pavlik, i just thought at that stage in his career, Hopkins was finished.

I wrote him off, big-time leading up to that fight.

I stayed up late, and watched that fight on a stream..............! what a dedicated fan..!!!!