MIRANDA back in action at super middle!

[bigeddie27]

just read some NEWS about FIGHTing, and it had miranda back in the ring october 2nd. I am glad my boy is back, time to get back in the super middle picture and make some noise. I think he will make a strong comeback, he has it in him.

[bumdujour]

just read some NEWS about FIGHTing, and it had miranda back in the ring october 2nd. I am glad my boy is back, time to get back in the super middle picture and make some noise. I think he will make a strong comeback, he has it in him.

whatever he had in him, pavlik pounded it out of him. stick a fork in that loudmouth. he is done:yep

[bigeddie27]

Why Pavlik gets so much credit for beating Miranda is beyond me

Miranda couldn't put away a guy with a severely broken jaw and almost went down twice during that fight AFTER the jaw was broken.

that is because the guy who's jaw he broke ran the whole fight. abraham lost that fight, ran scared, and lost. miranda got robbed and if you cant believe that watch the damn fight on youtube its there.

[bigeddie27]

whatever he had in him, pavlik pounded it out of him. stick a fork in that loudmouth. he is done:yep

dont think so. He needed a rest, every fighter has bad nights (even floyd - see castillo 1). miranda's was just against a powerful puncher. He has a strong mind and does not give up. he is far from shot

[bumdujour]

that is because the guy who's jaw he broke ran the whole fight. abraham lost that fight, ran scared, and lost. miranda got robbed and if you cant believe that watch the damn fight on youtube its there.

go watch some more "my little pony"!!!

boxing aint for you honey.

abraham schooled the bum.:yep

[bigeddie27]

oh and btw, the reason pavlik gets props for defeating miranda is because...

a: miranda knocked out howard eastman

b: miranda broke abraham's jaw and had him running scared in ******land where the grimiest shit happens. miranda should have won, but still got credit with the boxing world because look what happened to abrahams career (with his titanium jaw)

c: knocked out willie gibbs in one round.

d: miranda beat allan green (would have knocked him out if it went the full 12) who is a contender at super middle and very good.

what do 'b' 'c' and ''d' have in common, they were all undefeated.

[bigeddie27]

Miranda isn't shot but how effective will he be at this higher weight division?
SM is becoming stacked with so many good fighters and I doubt he'll become anything at SM.. I don't see it. Id be surprised to see him beat Berrios.

miranda has taken out some solid contenders, champs, and former champs. he is effective, he has proven that already.

[bigeddie27]

Peter Manfredo would kick Miranda's ass.

doubt it, but would love to see it. I like peter manfredo i think the calzaghe stoppage was BS. even though he might have lost, he could have made a good impression of himself and showed he could compete with the top level.

[jsimps]

doubt it, but would love to see it. I like peter manfredo i think the calzaghe stoppage was BS. even though he might have lost, he could have made a good impression of himself and showed he could compete with the top level.

You beat me to the post. I like Manfredo, but I think Miranda deposits his head into the 5th row.

[bigeddie27]

At SM, Manfredo has stepped up his game and is a reformed fighter.

I agree, that stoppage against Calzaghe was BS. The ref got payed under the table.

SM seems to be the ideal weight for manfredo and with his improved boxing skills, I think he can outbox miranda and knock him out. Manfredo is not exactly a soft puncher himself.

i think manfredo has a powerful right hand.

[pipe wrenched]

Now that Pavlik made it past this beast of a fighter, I wish him all the luck and good health in the world. No one can say he's not exciting and goes all out, and will only go out on his shield. He sure as hell could have quit on his stool against Pavlik, but no he went back out there and went down like a MAN. People dismiss Miranda rather quick because he got beat by a guy no one took the time to notice was quite a bad ass himself (Pavlik). I thought Willie Gibbs was gonna make some waves, then Bang, Miranda took him out in the first round. Allan Green, rated, feared (at the time) SMW, Miranda smoked his ass. Howard Eastman? Went hell and high waters with Abraham.
Miranda, although I don't really like the trash talk he was doing (just my personal taste), is good for boxing and we'll all see soon enough we're lucky he decided to come back. Pavlik KO 7 Taylor.

[pipe wrenched]

whatever he had in him, pavlik pounded it out of him. stick a fork in that loudmouth. he is done:yep

Got damn Bumdujour! I like Alvarez and cheer for him, but you went (avatar) from a light hitting Welter, to possibly the scariest picture of a man I've seen in some time!! Good stuff my man.:lol:

[Mrvooh]

Why Pavlik gets so much credit for beating Miranda is beyond me

Miranda couldn't put away a guy with a severely broken jaw and almost went down twice during that fight AFTER the jaw was broken.
But he hammered Green didn't he?

[brooklyn1550]

I can't see Miranda doing very well at 168 - and by well, I mean winning a title or seriously contending for a title. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Calzaghe, Kessler, Lacy, Mundine, Bute, Froch, Inkin, and Braehmer all beat him.

[bigeddie27]

I can't see Miranda doing very well at 168 - and by well, I mean winning a title or seriously contending for a title. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Calzaghe, Kessler, Lacy, Mundine, Bute, Froch, Inkin, and Braehmer all beat him.

hopefully well get a chance to see.

[Motor City Sam]

hopefully well get a chance to see.

Exactly. Miranda is an exciting fighter with a lot of power and he's young enough to improve. He got schooled by Pavlik, but I am not one to give up on a fighter after a loss. Brooklyn's right in saying the SMW is a deep division, so Miranda will not have an easy time, but I'm glad to see him back. :good

[Motor City Sam]

You beat me to the post. I like Manfredo, but I think Miranda deposits his head into the 5th row.

Agreed. Manfredo was getting tagged cleanly by Banks, who is not a world class fighter. Miranda would throw some serious bombs and I don't think Pete has the power to keep him off. That's not a slam on Manfredo, who is a fighter that I like and usually pull for.

[psychopath]

just read some NEWS about FIGHTing, and it had miranda back in the ring october 2nd. I am glad my boy is back, time to get back in the super middle picture and make some noise. I think he will make a strong comeback, he has it in him.

Hmmmm . . . I want to see how he fares on his comeback fight.

Interesting. :yep

[boxfan99]

He is apparently going to fight Porras. What a dissapointment.:roll: I knew he would take an "easy" comeback fight, but he could at least have chosen an opponent who still had a pulse. Let me be the first to predict a KO-win to Miranda, after which he probably calls out a champion.:lol:

[Brickhaus]

what do 'b' 'c' and ''d' have in common, they were all undefeated.

Gibbs had a loss on his record. Also, he didn't look particularly convincing against Green, who looked like shit that fight. Eastman had already lost 2 in a row before he fought Miranda, granted it was the first time he'd been KOed.

[psychopath]

He is apparently going to fight Porras. What a dissapointment.:roll: I knew he would take an "easy" comeback fight, but he could at least have chosen an opponent who still had a pulse. Let me be the first to predict a KO-win to Miranda, after which he probably calls out a champion.:lol:

:patsch

:rofl :lol:

[Carlos Primera]

He is apparently going to fight Porras. What a dissapointment.:roll: I knew he would take an "easy" comeback fight, but he could at least have chosen an opponent who still had a pulse. Let me be the first to predict a KO-win to Miranda, after which he probably calls out a champion.:lol:
at least it is'nt on ppv, unlike oscar 'tune-up' against faded campas:lol:. I hope miranda improves though. even though he got the shit beat out of him i'm still a fan of the guy, and hopes he at least wins a paper title at smw. people hold the trash talking against him, but how can you hate a right handed power puncher who always comes to fight, puts on an exciting show, never says die and goes out on his shield. he's also willing to fight almost anybody without complaining about money. what MW fights eastman, abraham, green, gibbs and pavlik one after the other regardless of outcome?

[boxfan99]

:patsch

:rofl :lol:

Just wait and see.;)

[psychopath]

Just wait and see.;)

:good ;)

[boxfan99]

at least it is'nt on ppv, unlike oscar 'tune-up' against faded campas:lol:. I hope miranda improves though. even though he got the shit beat out of him i'm still a fan of the guy, and hopes he at least wins a paper title at smw. people hold the trash talking against him, but how can you hate a right handed power puncher who always comes to fight, puts on an exciting show, never says die and goes out on his shield. he's also willing to fight almost anybody without complaining about money. what MW fights eastman, abraham, green, gibbs and pavlik one after the other regardless of outcome?

I don't hate Miranda the least. I actually think he is a pretty exciting and good (not elite) boxer, and because I think he is a good boxer, I would like to see him fight someone who is not completely shot. Believe me a fight against Porras won't answer any questions about how Miranda will cope at SMW.

[Carlos Primera]

I don't hate Miranda the least. I actually think he is a pretty exciting and good (not elite) boxer, and because I think he is a good boxer, I would like to see him fight someone who is not completely shot. Believe me a fight against Porras won't answer any questions about how Miranda will cope at SMW.
i agree, even as a miranda fan i knew he was going after an easy guy for his comeback. but i'm sure this is just a confidence builder to get him feeling 'invincible' again. after he knocks porra out, he should get offered a fight against, at least, a SMW like brahmer. porra should be a sacrificial lamb, but i'm hoping miranda at least shows what he's been working on against him.

[cuchulain]

that is because the guy who's jaw he broke ran the whole fight. abraham lost that fight, ran scared, and lost. miranda got robbed and if you cant believe that watch the damn fight on youtube its there.

Miranda's blatant fouling should have earned him a DQ in that fight.

The boy had a rough childhood and got some sympathy from me on that account but he doesn't belong in top level boxing, at any weight. He doesn't have the skill set, neither offensive nor defensive.

With training, that could change, but I always believed he was overhyped, just as Pavlik is now.

[cuchulain]

doubt it, but would love to see it. I like peter manfredo i think the calzaghe stoppage was BS. even though he might have lost, he could have made a good impression of himself and showed he could compete with the top level.


With that post, it's time to put away your booze and go sleep it off.

[cardstars]

at least it is'nt on ppv, unlike oscar 'tune-up' against faded campas:lol:. I hope miranda improves though. even though he got the shit beat out of him i'm still a fan of the guy, and hopes he at least wins a paper title at smw. people hold the trash talking against him, but how can you hate a right handed power puncher who always comes to fight, puts on an exciting show, never says die and goes out on his shield. he's also willing to fight almost anybody without complaining about money. what MW fights eastman, abraham, green, gibbs and pavlik one after the other regardless of outcome?

Exactly - you took the words out of my mouth. I would rather watch him than a handful of "A" level fighters simply because you know there will be tons of action until the end.

[ThePlugInBabies]

oh and btw, the reason pavlik gets props for defeating miranda is because...

a: miranda knocked out howard eastman

b: miranda broke abraham's jaw and had him running scared in ******land where the grimiest shit happens. miranda should have won, but still got credit with the boxing world because look what happened to abrahams career (with his titanium jaw)

c: knocked out willie gibbs in one round.

d: miranda beat allan green (would have knocked him out if it went the full 12) who is a contender at super middle and very good.

what do 'b' 'c' and ''d' have in common, they were all undefeated.

what you talking about?!?

[Motor City Sam]

He is apparently going to fight Porras. What a dissapointment.:roll: I knew he would take an "easy" comeback fight, but he could at least have chosen an opponent who still had a pulse. Let me be the first to predict a KO-win to Miranda, after which he probably calls out a champion.:lol:

Nice avatar.

There's nothing wrong with taking an easy fight like Porras for the first fight back after a beating, especialy when moving up in weight. I have not problem with Edison's choice of opponent here.

[bigeddie27]

what you talking about?!?

did u even see the fight? its on youtube if you need some enlightenment. The fucking ref and doctor kept giving abraham breaks throughout the fight to check his jaw and clean it up. Utter bullshit. ****** is abrahams promotoer you dickwad. what the fuck you talking about?

[ThePlugInBabies]

did u even see the fight? its on youtube if you need some enlightenment. The fucking ref and doctor kept giving abraham breaks throughout the fight to check his jaw and clean it up. Utter bullshit. ****** is abrahams promotoer you dickwad. what the fuck you talking about?

firsty, calm the fuck down, i was only joking about, although the term '******land' confused me. yes i have seen the fight, yes the fight and call is very iffy, and frank ****** doesn't manager abraham, that would be wilfried sauerland.









oh and finally :finger

[bigeddie27]

Miranda's blatant fouling should have earned him a DQ in that fight.

The boy had a rough childhood and got some sympathy from me on that account but he doesn't belong in top level boxing, at any weight. He doesn't have the skill set, neither offensive nor defensive.

With training, that could change, but I always believed he was overhyped, just as Pavlik is now.
what fouling?! did you see the fucking fight? if you did youll see that those 'supposed' low blows were from abraham moving down and pushing edisons shots down. Edison maybe got one headbutt in, but it was a PUNCH that broke abrahams jaw. a PUNCH that ended his career and i really dont see him coming back. and miranda won the fight. you must have been an abraham lover.

[bigeddie27]

[quote=ThePlugInBabies]firsty, calm the fuck down, i was only joking about, although the term '******land' confused me. yes i have seen the fight, yes the fight and call is very iffy, and frank ****** doesn't manager abraham, that would be wilfried sauerland.


sauerland - ****** - same fucking eurotrash who protects all there baby fighters.

[ThePlugInBabies]

sauerland - ****** - same fucking eurotrash who protects all there baby fighters.


still, rather have over protective 'eurotrash' than murderers and cross dressers promoting our fights. :yep

[bigeddie27]

still, rather have over protective 'eurotrash' than murderers and cross dressers promoting our fights. :yep

hey - don king said it was self defense, cant blame the guy hehe

[41fever]

Go Miranda!!!!!!!!!!!

[cuchulain]

what fouling?! did you see the fucking fight? if you did youll see that those 'supposed' low blows were from abraham moving down and pushing edisons shots down. Edison maybe got one headbutt in, but it was a PUNCH that broke abrahams jaw. a PUNCH that ended his career and i really dont see him coming back. and miranda won the fight. you must have been an abraham lover.


And you must be a fuckwit. My post was not about Abraham.

I never saw Abraham before he beat Miranda and I haven't seen him since.

I was drawing attention to the deliberate headbutt with no attempt at guile or subtlety. The man has no fimess whatsoever. His abilities skills in the ring are about the same as your skills of boxing analysis.

[bigeddie27]

And you must be a fuckwit. My post was not about Abraham.

I never saw Abraham before he beat Miranda and I haven't seen him since.

I was drawing attention to the deliberate headbutt with no attempt at guile or subtlety. The man has no fimess whatsoever. His abilities skills in the ring are about the same as your skills of boxing analysis.
are you slow? you quoted about edison's deliberate fouling should have earned him a dq and also that he does not belong in the top level. What besides the headbutt was deliberate? do yourself a favor and watch the fight without any abraham bias (i know, you love abraham so much that you cant resist but just try). You will see miranda smashing his jaw with a right hand, breaking the jaw, and then the circus unfolding to desperately save abraham his title (at the cost of his career). Edison beat Abraham - get it through your biased head. Those low blows were not deliberate, abraham was bending down and pushing edisons hands down when edison was going for the body. abraaham did this because the paid ref was taking points away left and right - and ABRAHAM STILL BARELY WON THE DESCISON even after 6 points were taken from miranda. And as far as your point about miranda not belonging in the top level:

he beat the battersea bomber and knocked him out
knocked out gibbs
beat abraham (would have tko'd him if the fight was in the states, did you see abraham run scared like a little bitch the whole fight too - very funny)
beat allen green

what other fighter went through that competition for a title run lately? seriously name one for me

[bigeddie27]

oh and delibereate headbutts are a weapon of choice for fighters. no one is clean in there, they all do it. its part of the game. and if you get caught points are taken away.

[bigeddie27]

And you must be a fuckwit. My post was not about Abraham.

I never saw Abraham before he beat Miranda and I haven't seen him since.

I was drawing attention to the deliberate headbutt with no attempt at guile or subtlety. The man has no fimess whatsoever. His abilities skills in the ring are about the same as your skills of boxing analysis.

you know that last sentence i seriously take as a compliment even though you meant it as sarcasm. but then again you are an idiot who is a miranda hater.

[bigeddie27]

Miranda's blatant fouling should have earned him a DQ in that fight.

The boy had a rough childhood and got some sympathy from me on that account but he doesn't belong in top level boxing, at any weight. He doesn't have the skill set, neither offensive nor defensive.

With training, that could change, but I always believed he was overhyped, just as Pavlik is now.

wow - i keep reading your posts and all i see is HATER written across your head. no offensive skill set huh, how do you explain that right hand of his then?

[franknstein]

are you slow? you quoted about edison's deliberate fouling should have earned him a dq and also that he does not belong in the top level. What besides the headbutt was deliberate? do yourself a favor and watch the fight without any abraham bias (i know, you love abraham so much that you cant resist but just try). You will see miranda smashing his jaw with a right hand, breaking the jaw, and then the circus unfolding to desperately save abraham his title (at the cost of his career). Edison beat Abraham - get it through your biased head. Those low blows were not deliberate, abraham was bending down and pushing edisons hands down when edison was going for the body. abraaham did this because the paid ref was taking points away left and right - and ABRAHAM STILL BARELY WON THE DESCISON even after 6 points were taken from miranda. And as far as your point about miranda not belonging in the top level:

he beat the battersea bomber and knocked him out
knocked out gibbs
beat abraham (would have tko'd him if the fight was in the states, did you see abraham run scared like a little bitch the whole fight too - very funny)
beat allen green

what other fighter went through that competition for a title run lately? seriously name one for me

Wait a minute! Don't let your love for one fighter make you bashing on another one. I agree with you that that fight should have been ruled a TKO in favor of MIranda, but to say Arthur ran scared xxxxless the whole fight is not fair and it's also not true. Cautious? Yes! But in all honesty what would you have done in his situation? Apart from trying to avoid anymore punishment he still gave Miranda hell at times. And to tell the truth Miranda didn't exactly look brillant dealing with a severly injured opponent ... I mean, he had 8(!) long rounds to finish the job and in the meantime Arthur was going through a nightmare. Anyway I still think that night wasn't all that good for boxing...

[Grabonator]

Peter Manfredo would kick Miranda's ass.

Hahaha!!!:lol: Good joke man!

[Grabonator]

what fouling?! did you see the fucking fight? if you did youll see that those 'supposed' low blows were from abraham moving down and pushing edisons shots down. Edison maybe got one headbutt in, but it was a PUNCH that broke abrahams jaw. a PUNCH that ended his career and i really dont see him coming back. and miranda won the fight. you must have been an abraham lover.

Aberaham is already back man! He has fought and knocked out 2 guys after the Miranda bout. The broken jaw is history and it isnt affecting him anymore, not at all and we can be happy about that.

[cuchulain]

are you slow? you quoted about edison's deliberate fouling should have earned him a dq and also that he does not belong in the top level. What besides the headbutt was deliberate? do yourself a favor and watch the fight without any abraham bias (i know, you love abraham so much that you cant resist but just try). You will see miranda smashing his jaw with a right hand, breaking the jaw, and then the circus unfolding to desperately save abraham his title (at the cost of his career). Edison beat Abraham - get it through your biased head. Those low blows were not deliberate, abraham was bending down and pushing edisons hands down when edison was going for the body. abraaham did this because the paid ref was taking points away left and right - and ABRAHAM STILL BARELY WON THE DESCISON even after 6 points were taken from miranda. And as far as your point about miranda not belonging in the top level:

he beat the battersea bomber and knocked him out
knocked out gibbs
beat abraham (would have tko'd him if the fight was in the states, did you see abraham run scared like a little bitch the whole fight too - very funny)
beat allen green

what other fighter went through that competition for a title run lately? seriously name one for me


Four responses to one post?

Your debating skills are on par with your analysis.


i know, you love abraham so much that you cant resist but just try

Cite one piece of evidence to support this statement. As i mentioned on the earlier post, I never saw Abraham prior to his fight with Miranda. And I've never seen him since.

It appears you can't read either. My post was about MIRANDA, not Abraham

abraaham did this because the paid ref was taking points away

Do you think the ref should work for free?


....at the cost of his career....

How did it cost him his career?


Oh, and this piece of wisdom:

oh and delibereate headbutts are a weapon of choice for fighters. no one is clean in there, they all do it. its part of the game. and if you get caught points are taken away.

This horseshit sums up your outlook perfectly.

Well it's NOT part of the game and when you get caught doing it, it shows you don't have the necessary skill set to win legitimately, and points are deducted.

Floyd doesn't do it. Neither does Oscar, Shane, Cory, Calzaghe, Kessler, or any of the skilled boxers who actually know how to fight.

Edison beat Abraham - get it through your biased head.

Actually, he didn't. He lost on points but should probably have been DQ'd.


did you see abraham run scared like a little bitch the whole fight too - very funny

The only thing funny here is your commentary. Did YOU see the fight. Who was running in rounds 9 and 10 ?



Watch the last two minutes of this clip and tell me (a) who's a bitch? and ( b) who got saved by the bell?

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ABRAHAM STILL BARELY WON THE DESCISON even after 6 points were taken from miranda

Check your 'facts'. FIVE points were deducted, not SIX.

The scorecards were 114-109, 115-109, 116-109.

Without ANY point deductions, therefore, Abraham would STILL have won by a score of 114-114, 115-114, and 116-114.

(The fourth point deduction should have led to a DQ, and the fifth point should have left absolutely no doubt.)

The fact that Abraham won the 9th and 10th rounds with a broken jaw shows how over-rated Miranda had been.


what other fighter went through that competition for a title run lately? seriously name one for me

Pavlik.



As I mentioned earlier, Miranda had a very rough childhood and has done amazing things considering the adversity he's faced. But he's still very rough around the edges when it comes to top-level boxing. His inexperience showed against Abraham and Pavlik. He has potential, no doubt, but he was seriously overrated (Nonesense like 'peoples' champion' being bandied about).

He has a big punch but he needs to work on fundamentals, and on his temper. With the right trainer, he could improve to a much higher level.


You, on the other hand, not having shown the same potential in your deluded scriblings, would probably be better off watching MMA or UFC or better still, the barfights at your local watering-hole.

You could enjoy the headbutts, the kicking, and even the biting, and you wouldn't have to wory about who was following the rules, and shit like that.

[MagnaNasakki]

Four responses to one post?

Your debating skills are on par with your analysis.



Cite one piece of evidence to support this statement. As i mentioned on the earlier post, I never saw Abraham prior to his fight with Miranda. And I've never seen him since.

It appears you can't read either. My post was about MIRANDA, not Abraham



Do you think the ref should work for free?




How did it cost him his career?


Oh, and this piece of wisdom:



This horseshit sums up your outlook perfectly.

Well it's NOT part of the game and when you get caught doing it, it shows you don't have the necessary skill set to win legitimately, and points are deducted.

Floyd doesn't do it. Neither does Oscar, Shane, Cory, Calzaghe, Kessler, or any of the skilled boxers who actually know how to fight.



Actually, he didn't. He lost on points but should probably have been DQ'd.



The only thing funny here is your commentary. Did YOU see the fight. Who was running in rounds 9 and 10 ?




Check your 'facts'. FIVE points were deducted, not SIX.

The scorecards were 114-109, 115-109, 116-109.

Without ANY point deductions, therefore, Abraham would STILL have won by a score of 114-114, 115-114, and 116-114.

(The fourth point deduction should have led to a DQ, and the fifth point should have left absolutely no doubt.)

The fact that Abraham won the 9th and 10th rounds with a broken jaw shows how over-rated Miranda had been.



Pavlik.



As I mentioned earlier, Miranda had a very rough childhood and has done amazing things considering the adversity he's faced. But he's still very rough around the edges when it comes to top-level boxing. His inexperience showed against Abraham and Pavlik. He has potential, no doubt, but he was seriously overrated (Nonesense like 'peoples' champion' being bandied about).

He has a big punch but he needs to work on fundamentals, and on his temper. With the right trainer, he could improve to a much higher level.


You, on the other hand, not having shown the same potential in your deluded scriblings, would probably be better off watching MMA or UFC or better still, the barfights at your local watering-hole.

You could enjoy the headbutts, the kicking, and even the biting, and you wouldn't have to wory about who was following the rules, and shit like that.


I absolutely agree. Abraham won that fight. Watched it on YouTube about 4 times. Arthur won 7 rounds in that fight clearly in my eyes. Factor in the point deductions, and the fact that from this trainer's eyes, Arthur was 20 seconds from finishing Miranda in the 8th. He was hurt, shelled up, and getting hammered by an injured, bled out, and exhausted champion. He gets lucky and survives the disastrous 8th, and what does he do? Loses rounds 9 and 10 in similar fashion!

Arthur Abraham defeats Edison Miranda, 115-109.

[bigeddie27]

well see how that jaw affects abraham, funny, hes undefeated has a belt but yet the middlweight picture seems to move wihtout him in it at all. THATS THE FUCKING REALITY.

[bigeddie27]

Wait a minute! Don't let your love for one fighter make you bashing on another one. I agree with you that that fight should have been ruled a TKO in favor of MIranda, but to say Arthur ran scared xxxxless the whole fight is not fair and it's also not true. Cautious? Yes! But in all honesty what would you have done in his situation? Apart from trying to avoid anymore punishment he still gave Miranda hell at times. And to tell the truth Miranda didn't exactly look brillant dealing with a severly injured opponent ... I mean, he had 8(!) long rounds to finish the job and in the meantime Arthur was going through a nightmare. Anyway I still think that night wasn't all that good for boxing...

you have to admit one thing, that break where the doctor and ref were looking at abrahams jaw gave him too much time. thats the problem with that fight. without that break - EDISON KO VICTORY. miranda had him where he wanted him - moving backwards!

[bigeddie27]

I absolutely agree. Abraham won that fight. Watched it on YouTube about 4 times. Arthur won 7 rounds in that fight clearly in my eyes. Factor in the point deductions, and the fact that from this trainer's eyes, Arthur was 20 seconds from finishing Miranda in the 8th. He was hurt, shelled up, and getting hammered by an injured, bled out, and exhausted champion. He gets lucky and survives the disastrous 8th, and what does he do? Loses rounds 9 and 10 in similar fashion!

Arthur Abraham defeats Edison Miranda, 115-109.


if that shit happened in the states without the break - EDISON KO VICTORY. you are blind if you cant realize that. he will come back. and you my friend will eat your words for as long as you are on here

[bigeddie27]

Four responses to one post?

Your debating skills are on par with your analysis.



Cite one piece of evidence to support this statement. As i mentioned on the earlier post, I never saw Abraham prior to his fight with Miranda. And I've never seen him since.

It appears you can't read either. My post was about MIRANDA, not Abraham



Do you think the ref should work for free?




How did it cost him his career?


Oh, and this piece of wisdom:



This horseshit sums up your outlook perfectly.

Well it's NOT part of the game and when you get caught doing it, it shows you don't have the necessary skill set to win legitimately, and points are deducted.

Floyd doesn't do it. Neither does Oscar, Shane, Cory, Calzaghe, Kessler, or any of the skilled boxers who actually know how to fight.



Actually, he didn't. He lost on points but should probably have been DQ'd.



The only thing funny here is your commentary. Did YOU see the fight. Who was running in rounds 9 and 10 ?



Watch the last two minutes of this clip and tell me (a) who's a bitch? and ( b) who got saved by the bell?

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Check your 'facts'. FIVE points were deducted, not SIX.

The scorecards were 114-109, 115-109, 116-109.

Without ANY point deductions, therefore, Abraham would STILL have won by a score of 114-114, 115-114, and 116-114.

(The fourth point deduction should have led to a DQ, and the fifth point should have left absolutely no doubt.)

The fact that Abraham won the 9th and 10th rounds with a broken jaw shows how over-rated Miranda had been.



Pavlik.



As I mentioned earlier, Miranda had a very rough childhood and has done amazing things considering the adversity he's faced. But he's still very rough around the edges when it comes to top-level boxing. His inexperience showed against Abraham and Pavlik. He has potential, no doubt, but he was seriously overrated (Nonesense like 'peoples' champion' being bandied about).

He has a big punch but he needs to work on fundamentals, and on his temper. With the right trainer, he could improve to a much higher level.


You, on the other hand, not having shown the same potential in your deluded scriblings, would probably be better off watching MMA or UFC or better still, the barfights at your local watering-hole.

You could enjoy the headbutts, the kicking, and even the biting, and you wouldn't have to wory about who was following the rules, and shit like that.
WHEN YOU ARE IN A EUROPE COUNTRY AGAINST EURO-TRASH PROTECTED FIGHTERS YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO HEADBUTT THE FAGGOT. THE WHOLE FIGHT WAS A FARCE AND YOUR BOY ABRAHAM WOULD HAVE NEVER FOUGHT MIRANDA IN THE STATES, JUST LIKE HE HAS NEVER FOUGHT ANYONE IN THE STATES. LOOK AT HIS CAREER, HE IS UNDEFEATED, HAS A BELT, YET MIRANDA GOT THE CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THE REAL MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE. DESPITE LOSING TO A FIGHTER WHO GOT GIFT POINT DEDUCTIONS, 5 MINUTE BREAKS, CROOKED JUDGES, AND EVERY OTHER ADVANTAGE AGAINST MIRANDA. YOU SIR DO NOT NEED TO WATCH BOXING ANYMORE IF YOU THINK MIRANDA LOST THAT FIGHT. AND I DO HAPPEN TO LOVE MMA AND UFC AND ANY OTHER COMBAT SPORT, ITS JUST WHEN YOU HAVE THESE PROTECTED EUROTRASH FIGHTERS WITH EUROTRASH PROMOTERS, IT MAKES ME FUCKING SICK TO SEE THEM ROB REAL CONTENDERS.


oh and btw, who got fight on hbo after that fiasco? yeah my point proven

[MagnaNasakki]

if that shit happened in the states without the break - EDISON KO VICTORY. you are blind if you cant realize that. he will come back. and you my friend will eat your words for as long as you are on here


I sure ate crow after Pavlik aced Miranda...

Actually, I called Pavlik KO in 8, I was close. And if Edison fights another fighter of Kelly's calibre(Upper B class, weak champion material). Ill be happy to predict his destruction again.

[Scar]

Why Pavlik gets so much credit for beating Miranda is beyond me

Miranda couldn't put away a guy with a severely broken jaw and almost went down twice during that fight AFTER the jaw was broken.

Exactly and was the one being backed off when it was supposed to be the other way around. You have a man with a broken jaw infront of you, why not put some serious pressure and take him out, that jaw is broken so every shot will feel like 10. It was pathetic and the illegal tactics were pathetic too.

[MagnaNasakki]

And dont call me blind. Been in boxing longer than most have been alive, nearly made the same Olympics Lennox won, and have sparred several athletes that would have CRUSHED Miranda. I know my shit and am thus entitled to an opinion just like you are.

[bigeddie27]

Aberaham is already back man! He has fought and knocked out 2 guys after the Miranda bout. The broken jaw is history and it isnt affecting him anymore, not at all and we can be happy about that.
yeah but who has he fought really? no one of any importance, and expect that to continue. abraham is done dude. you just cant fight on like that with a wired jaw.

[bigeddie27]

"This horseshit sums up your outlook perfectly.

Well it's NOT part of the game and when you get caught doing it, it shows you don't have the necessary skill set to win legitimately, and points are deducted.

Floyd doesn't do it. Neither does Oscar, Shane, Cory, Calzaghe, Kessler, or any of the skilled boxers who actually know how to fight."




sorry for the repeated posts but every point i read shows how stupid you are.

floyd - uses his elbows and also grabs on top of opppenets heads after a straight right. does it every fight. POUND FOR POUND KING

oscar - never really seen him do dirty tactics so ill give you that one. not as great as floyd or hopkins thought and they do dirty shit

shane - see oscar

cory - runs and hits instead of hit and run. this is why he loses and never amounted to anything.

calzaghe - throws a flurry of slaps that make the ****** paid ref stop the fight even though the punches do shit for damage (see manfredo fight). i respect and like calzaghe, but he gets gifts with this tactic and it would not happen here in the states if he fought the whole time here. looked like shit against bika. imagine if he fought all his fights here - maybe not so perfect record anymore.

I guess my point here is that the people who do the not-so-legal-but-are-good-enough-to-get-away-with-it tactics have better careers than the ones who didnt. POINT PROVEN ASSHOLE. you really watch boxing though? why am i even responding to you?

[El Bombasto]

Great, soon he will have lost fights in two weight classes

[cuchulain]

Big Eddie, or could it be LITTLe eddie,

it says on your profile that you are 27.

If that is true, why are your posts so full of school boy rhetoric (grade 8 or 9)?

Once again, you take three or for swings at responding to one post and then fall flat on your face doing it. You launch into a tirade of anti-European bias and foam on at the mouth about paid refs and such, you don't address any of the points made against your stance, you resort to name calling (more school-yard stuff) and in general come accross like a completely inarticulate, loudmouthed, ignorant buffoon who clearly knows fuck-all about the sport that's the subject of this forum.

You accused me earlier of being an Abraham fan (despite the fact that I never saw him fight before Miranda.) I am neither German, nor Armenian, nor in any way connected to either Miranda or Abraham.

But you, it turns out, are Colombian.
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Some bias here, perhaps.

At any rate, as other posters have noticed, you're not exactly a heavywt in the boxing knowledge or brains departments.

My last post, while highlighting Miranda's shortcomings, was less about Edison and more about the sorry, rabid, ill-informed, clueless poster called bigeddie.



ps.

In post # 62, you haven't even separated my post from your response.

And you're calling people stupid ?

You should learn how to operate your keyboard before you expose your witlessness any further.

[bigeddie27]

Big Eddie, or could it be LITTLe eddie,

it says on your profile that you are 27.

If that is true, why are your posts so full of school boy rhetoric (grade 8 or 9)?

Once again, you take three or for swings at responding to one post and then fall flat on your face doing it. You launch into a tirade of anti-European bias and foam on at the mouth about paid refs and such, you don't address any of the points made against your stance, you resort to name calling (more school-yard stuff) and in general come accross like a completely inarticulate, loudmouthed, ignorant buffoon who clearly knows fuck-all about the sport that's the subject of this forum.

You accused me earlier of being an Abraham fan (despite the fact that I never saw him fight before Miranda.) I am neither German, nor Armenian, nor in any way connected to either Miranda or Abraham.

But you, it turns out, are Colombian.
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Some bias here, perhaps.

At any rate, as other posters have noticed, you're not exactly a heavywt in the boxing knowledge or brains departments.

My last post, while highlighting Miranda's shortcomings, was less about Edison and more about the sorry, rabid, ill-informed, clueless poster called bigeddie.



ps.

In post # 62, you haven't even separated my post from your response.

And you're calling people stupid ?

You should learn how to operate your keyboard before you expose your witlessness any further.
your the one who said he should have lost the fight by DQ because of his fouling. Only an idiot would DQ a fighter like that that commiitted one foul. Should cotto have been dq'ed for his one lowblow against judah? alright then.

Then you said that he does not belong in the top level. his competition thus far proves otherwise. He fought on HBO how many times? you dont consider that top level? I mean you can say whatever you want about me being biased. Ill admit i am a miranda fan, did u not read my first post in this thread saying i believe he will come back? And ill admit when my fighter loses, just like he did against pavlik. I even believe miranda came in as best shape as possible no excuses. I dont buy into the weight draining or any of that other bs. Pavlik took that. But to say miranda lost that abraham fight is bullcrap. And for you to say that those low blows were deliberate is bullcrap too and im gonna call you out on it. Bitch. Ive been a fan since tyson-spinks 1 on HBO back when i was a kid. been watchign boxing ever since. You on the other hand, I doubt youve followed the sport for long if you think those fouls by edison warranted a DQ. I really believe you love abraham. And i really believe you never watched the fight. Its on youtube man, watch it. and then watch it again because you seem like you might not now what is going on, so you might have to take a second look at it.

[bigeddie27]

and when miranda does come back and starts fghting top level again, I am going to call you out just to show your lack of foresight on anything.

[bigeddie27]

Wait a minute! Don't let your love for one fighter make you bashing on another one. I agree with you that that fight should have been ruled a TKO in favor of MIranda, but to say Arthur ran scared xxxxless the whole fight is not fair and it's also not true. Cautious? Yes! But in all honesty what would you have done in his situation? Apart from trying to avoid anymore punishment he still gave Miranda hell at times. And to tell the truth Miranda didn't exactly look brillant dealing with a severly injured opponent ... I mean, he had 8(!) long rounds to finish the job and in the meantime Arthur was going through a nightmare. Anyway I still think that night wasn't all that good for boxing...

yeah but the 5 minute breaks gave abraham too much rest and screwed the momentum out of miranda. edison by KO if the breaks did not happen. But yes i am not bashing arthur fighting cautiosly, sure i would have done the same thing if my jaw got broke. But at the same time, without those BS breaks given by the ref, edison would have gotten the KO.

[ThePlugInBabies]

will be interesting to see whether the pavlik beating will have any long term effect on him. no doubt that calzaghe and kessler would school him, but could make some noise amongst the other title contenders.

lacy v miranda would be fucking mental.

[bigeddie27]

cuchulain? cuchulain? where are you? you have not answered my question yet asshole

" he beat the battersea bomber and knocked him out
knocked out gibbs
beat abraham (would have tko'd him if the fight was in the states, did you see abraham run scared like a little bitch the whole fight too - very funny)
beat allen green

what other fighter went through that competition for a title run lately? seriously name one for me"

where are you cuchulain? whats that, cant asnwer that question yet miranda does not belong in the top level? cuchulain? where are you?

[Brickhaus]

will be interesting to see whether the pavlik beating will have any long term effect on him. no doubt that calzaghe and kessler would school him, but could make some noise amongst the other title contenders.

lacy v miranda would be fucking mental.

If Lacy is back from his injury, and Miranda hasn't improved, he'd outbox Miranda with ease all night long.

Miranda v Berrio, however, would be spectacular.

[cuchulain]

your the one who said he should have lost the fight by DQ because of his fouling. Only an idiot would DQ a fighter like that that commiitted one foul.


He committed four fouls. FOUR, not ONE. Watch the fight.


Then you said that he does not belong in the top level. his competition thus far proves otherwise. He fought on HBO how many times? you dont consider that top level? I mean you can say whatever you want about me being biased. Ill admit i am a miranda fan, did u not read my first post in this thread saying i believe he will come back? And ill admit when my fighter loses, just like he did against pavlik. I even believe miranda came in as best shape as possible no excuses. I dont buy into the weight draining or any of that other bs. Pavlik took that. But to say miranda lost that abraham fight is bullcrap. And for you to say that those low blows were deliberate is bullcrap too and im gonna call you out on it. Bitch.

Calling me bitch just shows your level of dialogue (School boy). It doesn't change the fact that Miranda fouled Abraham multiple times.

You're going to call me on it? What the fuck does that mean ? It's a matter of record, not open for dispute, that the fouls took place.



Ive been a fan since tyson-spinks 1 on HBO back when i was a kid. been watchign boxing ever since. You on the other hand, I doubt youve followed the sport for long if you think those fouls by edison warranted a DQ.


Not that it matters to this argument, but I've been a boxing fan since before you were born. The first fight I watched was Ali-Liston (2) and I've watched thousands of fights since.





I really believe you love abraham.

Based on what?

I never heard of the guy before he fought Miranda. He's not exactly a huge name in boxing. Some weeks ago on another thread, I listed my twelve favourite fighters.

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I had three middleweights on there and Abraham was not one of them


In response to a question on a different question, I posted:

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Does any of this suggest even a remote hyping of Abraham on my part?

But of course, according to your logic, anyone who thinks Miranda is overrated must be an Abraham fan. You're a fucking genius!

I have pointed that out to you several times now, but your tiny brain doesn't seem to grasp the fact that my first post on this thread was not about Abraham. It was about Miranda, and he could have been fighting Joe Blow. Fact is, he had no control over his temper and had no finishing skills. He lost rounds to a guy with a severely fucked-up jaw. You can't get 'bitch' out of your mind. You called Abraham a bitch. What does that say about your boy when he couldn't finish off a severely injured 'bitch' and was backed up and was nearly stopped at the end of round 9 when any decent fighter would have finished Abraham off, given his injury. Your analysis and level of argument is a complete joke.



And i really believe you never watched the fight.


Who give's a fuck if you really believe that?

I watched it on you-tube shortly after it happened. (First time I ever saw Abraham), and I watched it again after reading your ravings a couple of nights ago. It's divided up into parts.


Its on youtube man, watch it. and then watch it again because you seem like you might not now what is going on, so you might have to take a second look at it.

You're the one who needs to rewatch it, without your pro Miranda bias.

If you read all my posts on this thread carefully, you will see that I'm neither a Miranda hater (I've said he has potential) nor an Abraham fan (read my posted links.)

I have no axe to grind one way or another.

You, on the other hand, are a fan of your countryman , to the point of bias.


All of this is obvious to anyone reading the thread.

[cuchulain]

cuchulain? cuchulain? where are you? you have not answered my question yet asshole (Yes I did, Fuckwit. You just don't know how to read. Go back to post #52 and the answer is there)

" he beat the battersea bomber and knocked him out
knocked out gibbs
beat abraham (would have tko'd him if the fight was in the states, did you see abraham run scared like a little bitch the whole fight too - very funny)
beat allen green

what other fighter went through that competition for a title run lately? seriously name one for me"

where are you cuchulain? whats that, cant asnwer that question yet miranda does not belong in the top level? cuchulain? where are you?
I have answered every single pathetic point you have made. Go back and look. And when you find it, consider yourself OWNED



You wrote all that before in post # 45 and I responded and named one in post #52.

It's as I thought. You don't even read the responses, you just mouth off the same questions over and over.

Do you have any idea how much of a complete fucking idiot you look like on here ?

To give yourself a clue (and you could sure use one), go back and reread the thread, (just your posts and mine will do for now) starting at post # 32.

[Grabonator]

well see how that jaw affects abraham, funny, hes undefeated has a belt but yet the middlweight picture seems to move wihtout him in it at all. THATS THE FUCKING REALITY.

He will come to america next year to fight there. Abraham is not verry well known over there couse hes a fighter from germany but hes still a verry good fighter. Im shure he will fight better known fighters next. Abraham is not afraid og no one, if he would be afraid he would never fought Miranda. And if you watched the fight you see that the early rounds when Abraham was not injured were verry competitive, Abraham was ahead before the injury and without the injury Abraham would have won CLEARLY. Miranda is a good fighter and i like him, but Abraham and pavlick are better. Abraham and Pavlick are also better than Taylor. Man i would also pick miranda to beat taylor!

[Grabonator]

yeah but who has he fought really? no one of any importance, and expect that to continue. abraham is done dude. you just cant fight on like that with a wired jaw.

You dont know waht you are talking about , you are wrong with this. Go watch his last 2 fights, i bet your opinion will change.

[Brooklyn Boxer]

Who has Abraham fought since he fought Miranda? Nobody. Miranda will improve since he lost to Palvik. Fighters learn more from a lose than a win. Miranda needs to fight one or two bums to work on his defences skill and improve his offence of skill. Miranda is a young raw fighter and he will be a champion. People are hating on him now but when he makes his comeback everybody will like him again.

[Snorkel]

I don't think Miranda's going to be making much noise at 168. He'll be fighting bigger guys who can both give and receive harder punches. In other words, Miranda's going to find it harder to stop people and, although I'm not usually one to bang on about chins, is more likely to get stopped himself because of his dodgy jaw.

He's clearly not going to be fighting for a belt soon which leaves him with the other contenders at SMW. I think he loses to most of these.

Lacy's better in every aspect. He hits harder and can take a better punch so a brawl is only going one way.

Mundine's slick enough to outbox the crude Miranda while avoiding punishment. I also think he's got enough power to stop Edison.

Froch is an unorthodox banger with a solid chin. I think he outpunches the smaller, cruder Miranda too.

Miranda's greatest asset lies in his raw power. As he moves up in weight, this advantage lessens and his lack of skills becomes more problematic. If he genuinely can't make 160 anymore, I think he's going to struggle to get anywhere.

[Carlos Primera]

I don't think Miranda's going to be making much noise at 168. He'll be fighting bigger guys who can both give and receive harder punches. In other words, Miranda's going to find it harder to stop people and, although I'm not usually one to bang on about chins, is more likely to get stopped himself because of his dodgy jaw.

He's clearly not going to be fighting for a belt soon which leaves him with the other contenders at SMW. I think he loses to most of these.

Lacy's better in every aspect. He hits harder and can take a better punch so a brawl is only going one way.

Mundine's slick enough to outbox the crude Miranda while avoiding punishment. I also think he's got enough power to stop Edison.

Froch is an unorthodox banger with a solid chin. I think he outpunches the smaller, cruder Miranda too.

Miranda's greatest asset lies in his raw power. As he moves up in weight, this advantage lessens and his lack of skills becomes more problematic. If he genuinely can't make 160 anymore, I think he's going to struggle to get anywhere.
the guy could have some success at SMW. going up in weight does'nt usually mean a decrease in power, as you usually retain more strength by cutting less weight during fights. there's been a lot of examples of this i.e pacman hitting harder at 122 after jumping up two weight classes, hearns KO power at 154 was deadlier than at WW, RJJ was a harder puncher at SMW than MW etc..... mirandas chin was a question mark before the pavlik fight (as was pavlik's) but it's been proven to be more or less servicable. he took a lot of flush shots from hard hitting pavlik before going getting taken out. getting rocked by flush shots from eastman and abraham was'nt a big surprise as his defence is so porous, and those guys have pretty good pop. with a little more work on technique and defense, miranda winning a paper title at SMW is not out of the question.

[Snorkel]

the guy could have some success at SMW. going up in weight does'nt usually mean a decrease in power, as you usually retain more strength by cutting less weight during fights. there's been a lot of examples of this i.e pacman hitting harder at 122 after jumping up two weight classes, hearns KO power at 154 was deadlier than at WW, RJJ was a harder puncher at SMW than MW etc..... mirandas chin was a question mark before the pavlik fight (as was pavlik's) but it's been proven to be more or less servicable. he took a lot of flush shots from hard hitting pavlik before going getting taken out. getting rocked by flush shots from eastman and abraham was'nt a big surprise as his defence is so porous, and those guys have pretty good pop. with a little more work on technique and defense, miranda winning a paper title at SMW is not out of the question.

All valid points, and I agree that he may win a paper title; Berrio's managed to get hold of one.

However, his chin is, as you said, serviceable at best. He's going to be facing some big hitters here and I honestly think their power will get to him before he can do it to them, especially the more proven chins in the division.

As far as the current big names at 168 go, I can see him being comfortably outboxed by Calzaghe, Kessler and Mundine and outpunched by Froch and Lacy. He doesn't excel in any area really beyond his natural strength and as he moves up the weights and takes on bigger guys, I feel they'll be better equipped to handle and nullify that. Without that advantage, I don't think he's that special as a boxer.

[bigeddie27]

All valid points, and I agree that he may win a paper title; Berrio's managed to get hold of one.

However, his chin is, as you said, serviceable at best. He's going to be facing some big hitters here and I honestly think their power will get to him before he can do it to them, especially the more proven chins in the division.

As far as the current big names at 168 go, I can see him being comfortably outboxed by Calzaghe, Kessler and Mundine and outpunched by Froch and Lacy. He doesn't excel in any area really beyond his natural strength and as he moves up the weights and takes on bigger guys, I feel they'll be better equipped to handle and nullify that. Without that advantage, I don't think he's that special as a boxer.

mirandas chin is very good. he took a lot of rights from pavlik. his defence definetly needs work though.

[bigeddie27]

"alling me bitch just shows your level of dialogue (School boy). It doesn't change the fact that Miranda fouled Abraham multiple times.

You're going to call me on it? What the fuck does that mean ? It's a matter of record, not open for dispute, that the fouls took place."

yeah 'record' and 'what really happen' are two different things. Did chavez draw with sweet pea - technically he did for the record, but sports illustrated had on the front cover - ROBBED! so a 'matter of record' means shit if the fight had a crooked ref, crooked promoter, and crooked judges. the 'matter of record' is that miranda went on to fight on HBO and get a shot for the title by fighting pavlik in an eliminator. what happened to abraham - hospital and fighting nobodies. how about that for a 'matter of record'. You gonna dispute HBO now too?

[bigeddie27]

You wrote all that before in post # 45 and I responded and named one in post #52.

It's as I thought. You don't even read the responses, you just mouth off the same questions over and over.

Do you have any idea how much of a complete fucking idiot you look like on here ?

To give yourself a clue (and you could sure use one), go back and reread the thread, (just your posts and mine will do for now) starting at post # 32.

you still did not answer my question of who fought better competition than miranda for his title run. you said 'HE DOES NOT BELONG IN THE TOP LEVEL' and I asked 'NAME ONE FIGHTER WHO HAS FOUGHT THE COMPETITION HE DID THEN IF HE DOES NOT BELONG IN THE TOP LEVEL' and you have given me no name yet. And the thing is, you know why you wont give me a name. it will discredit your whole fucking argument of 'HE DOES NOT BELONG IN THE TOP LEVEL'. cmon, name me a fighter big shot.

[bigeddie27]

You dont know waht you are talking about , you are wrong with this. Go watch his last 2 fights, i bet your opinion will change.

i dunno man, he has a wired jaw broke in 2 different places. that shit aint gonna heal properly. that is always gonna be a liability for him.

[Snorkel]

mirandas chin is very good. he took a lot of rights from pavlik. his defence definetly needs work though.

I'm not sure it's very good, he's been wobbled on more than one ocassion and stopped at 160. The guys he'll face now are only going to punch harder too and I think that spells trouble. I guess we'll see, but I certainly won't be betting on him when he fights one of the top SMWs.

[cuchulain]

"alling me bitch just shows your level of dialogue (School boy). It doesn't change the fact that Miranda fouled Abraham multiple times.

You're going to call me on it? What the fuck does that mean ? It's a matter of record, not open for dispute, that the fouls took place."

yeah 'record' and 'what really happen' are two different things. Did chavez draw with sweet pea - technically he did for the record, but sports illustrated had on the front cover - ROBBED! so a 'matter of record' means shit if the fight had a crooked ref, crooked promoter, and crooked judges. the 'matter of record' is that miranda went on to fight on HBO and get a shot for the title by fighting pavlik in an eliminator. what happened to abraham - hospital and fighting nobodies. how about that for a 'matter of record'. You gonna dispute HBO now too?


You still haven't even figured out how to post. Again you've mixed in my post with yours and no distinction is made where one ends and another begins.

Did you go back and read the thread like I told you ?

How foolish did you look with your "where are you"s and your "answer the question", when it was already answered several posts earlier.

(The answer was Pavlik in case you didn't make it back there).

And now you're jerking off again about Miranda getting on HBO, as if that has anything to do with the points you failed to adddress.

(I'm still waiting for your response to my points about the deducted points not affecting the outcome of the fight, or my point about how a 'bitch' with a broken jaw, backed up Miranda and almost KO'd in the ninth round, and all of the other points you failed to answer.

Is it because you don't know how to work your keyboard, or you just got OWNED again )

You defeat yourself every time you hit the keyboard (Maybe because the keyboard is a bit of a mystery to you).

Miranda went on to have his shortcomings exposed by a b-level fighter in Pavlik. The fact that it was on HBO just means everyone got to SEE what I've been trying to explain to you.

Abraham went on to KO another couple of fighters.


Why don't you ask one of your friends how to respond to quotes so that other readers know what the fuck you're trying to say, even if it makes little sense.

[cuchulain]

i dunno man, he has a wired jaw broke in 2 different places. that shit aint gonna heal properly. that is always gonna be a liability for him.


He seems to doing fine since he resumed his career.

Miranda, on the other hand......?

(Muhammad Ali had his jaw wired after his first fight with Norton and went on to beat Norton twice, Frazier twice and big George, as well as many others.)

[cuchulain]

you still did not answer my question of who fought better competition than miranda for his title run. you said 'HE DOES NOT BELONG IN THE TOP LEVEL' and I asked 'NAME ONE FIGHTER WHO HAS FOUGHT THE COMPETITION HE DID THEN IF HE DOES NOT BELONG IN THE TOP LEVEL' and you have given me no name yet. And the thing is, you know why you wont give me a name. it will discredit your whole fucking argument of 'HE DOES NOT BELONG IN THE TOP LEVEL'. cmon, name me a fighter big shot.

Are you completely fucking retarded?

I've answered your question TWICE.

Allow me to instruct you in the use of the forum as you don't appear to have any friends to assist you with this.

You first asked your question in post #45

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I responded to your question in post #52

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Go down to the last black box. See where I wrote PAVLIK ?


Then you made an idiot of yourself in post # 69

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Here you ask for a response to your question which I had already answered in post #52

Next, go to post #72
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where I answered you a SECOND time by showing you the way back to # 52

And then, your most stupid post of all #82:
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In this post, where you finally learn how to use the quote feature, it actually has my answer in the quote, my directing you back to #52.

And at the end of all that you still haven't got it.

If you don't know how to go back and read, you shouldn't even be on here.


To summarize : Yesterday at 1:41 pm you asked:
what other fighter went through that competition for a title run lately? seriously name one for me


And yesterday at 5:30 pm, I responded
Pavlik.

And you've continued to ask again and again like an idiot ever since.

I'm starting to feel sorry for you !

[bigeddie27]

Are you completely fucking retarded?

I've answered your question TWICE.

Allow me to instruct you in the use of the forum as you don't appear to have any friends to assist you with this.

You first asked your question in post #45

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I responded to your question in post #52

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Go down to the last black box. See where I wrote PAVLIK ?


Then you made an idiot of yourself in post # 69

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Here you ask for a response to your question which I had already answered in post #52

Next, go to post #73
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where I answered you a SECOND time by showing you the way back to # 52

And then, your most stupid post of all #82:
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In this post, where you finally learn how to use the quote feature, it actually has my answer in the quote, my directing you back to #52.

And at the end of all that you still haven't got it.

If you don't know how to go back and read, you shouldn't even be on here.


To summarize : Yesterday at 1:41 pm you asked:
what other fighter went through that competition for a title run lately? seriously name one for me


And yesterday at 5:30 pm, I responded
Pavlik.

And you've continued to ask again and again like an idiot ever since.

I'm starting to feel sorry for you !
who the fuck did Pavlik fight before miranda you asswipe. Zertuche - comparable to eastman, green, abraham, even gibbs? no way. Bronco Mckart - talk about a fucking has been. how old was he and when was the last time he won? man your dumb. No way in hell pavlik beats all of those contenders/champs that miranda did. And as for the fight in germany - fuck the cards - those JUDGES WERE CROOKED - DUH!!! watch pavlik lose on saturday then come back and tell me he beats eastman, gibbs, green, and abraham (yes miranda BEAT ABRAHAM - but then again your fucking 'well its on the record' bullshit really goes a long way doesnt it?)

[bigeddie27]

He seems to doing fine since he resumed his career.

Miranda, on the other hand......?

(Muhammad Ali had his jaw wired after his first fight with Norton and went on to beat Norton twice, Frazier twice and big George, as well as many others.)
was it broke in 2 places? didnt think so. and look check this out, ali fought Norton immediately after losing to him. that coward abraham wanted no part of miranda after that fight. look at how long his layoff was. you comparing that injury to the one abraham suffered you dumbshit.

[cuchulain]

who the fuck did Pavlik fight before miranda you asswipe. Zertuche - comparable to eastman, green, abraham, even gibbs? no way. Bronco Mckart - talk about a fucking has been. how old was he and when was the last time he won? man your dumb. No way in hell pavlik beats all of those contenders/champs that miranda did. And as for the fight in germany - fuck the cards - those JUDGES WERE CROOKED - DUH!!! watch pavlik lose on saturday then come back and tell me he beats eastman, gibbs, green, and abraham (yes miranda BEAT ABRAHAM - but then again your fucking 'well its on the record' bullshit really goes a long way doesnt it?)


Wait, Hold on there fuckwit.

That's all you can come up with?

Not a word about what a twit and a twat you've been, calling repeatedly for an answer to your question when one had been already given, SEVERAL TIMES !

Not a word of "Thank-you, Cuchulain, for showing me how the forum works."

Just another launch into an ill-informed tirade !



Your original question was:

what other fighter went through that competition for a title run lately? seriously name one for me

But the biggest flaw is in your question. Because Miranda did NOT go through his last five opponents and, because he didn't, he's NOT getting a title shot.

Pavlik WON his last five fights. For a fuckwit like you, let me explain: He BEAT his last five opponents INCLUDING MIRANDA and is therefore getting a title shot , three nights hence !

Miranda LOST two of his last five fights, including his fight with Pavlik, where he was KTFO.

Consequently, he's NOT getting a title shot . He's moved out of the division and is trying to rebuild at 168.

So who had the better run through the competition for a title run?

PAVLIK, that's who.

He got his title shot (succeeded in his bid). Miranda didn't (Failed in his bid)

And if you can't understand that son, you shouldn't even be going for a piss without adult supervision.

Now I'm feeling REALLY sorry for you.

[cuchulain]

was it broke in 2 places? didnt think so. and look check this out, ali fought Norton immediately after losing to him. that coward abraham wanted no part of miranda after that fight. look at how long his layoff was. you comparing that injury to the one abraham suffered you dumbshit.


You don't think so?

You don't know. You appear to know fuck all about anything, except asswipe, bitch, asshole etc. Every time you get crushed, you come up with some other irrelevant tidbit.

Ali did NOT rematch Norton immediatelly.

The rematch took place six months later. (I watched it, before you were even thought of).

Abraham was back in eight months. Considering that fighters fought a lot more frequently in the 70's than today, those two interludes are approximately the same.

And where does a a semi-literate, brainless twat like you get off calling a guy who fought eight rounds with a broken jaw, a coward.

You are truly fucking pathetic.

[Carlos Primera]

:lol: i'm a miranda fan, but you guys need to quit arguing

[DanePugilist]

:lol: i'm a miranda fan, but you guys need to quit arguingI thoroughly enjoy Cuchulainn schooling Bigeddie - too bad I have missed the thread till now...

[cuchulain]

:lol: i'm a miranda fan, but you guys need to quit arguing


Hi Cooke.


I think I'm finished with bigeddie.

He's been 'owned' several times but some things just don't sink in, there.

At any rate, my argument is more with bigeddie than Miranda.

While I think he was overrated, I got a lot of sympathy for Edison.

[cuchulain]

I thoroughly enjoy Cuchulainn schooling Bigeddie - too bad I have missed the thread till now...

Hi Dane.


It's still all there.

If you have the time (and the interest) our 'debate ' began around post # 32.

He has a few quaint ideas re: Euro-fighters and he's a bit unsure how to quote, so you have to sift carefully to even have a guess at what he's trying to say.

Enjoy !

[DanePugilist]

Hi Dane.


It's still all there.

If you have the time (and the interest) our 'debate ' began around post # 32.

He has a few quaint ideas re: Euro-fighters and he's a bit unsure how to quote, so you have to sift carefully to even have a guess at what he's trying to say

Enjoy !Thanks Cuchulain, I did the prober thing and read the whole thread:good - Once I read his first post, I was about to write something, then I saw yours, and I realized that you pretty much said all that needed to be said.

I hate when people claim others are retarded, and then post not only retarded statements, but also clueless, and hypocritical ones.

All in all I have nothing to add to his statements, since you pretty much said it all, and then some... Good job.

[Carlos Primera]

:lol: the discussion just strayed so far out of the topic, but anyway good luck to my man miranda on his comeback at SMW.

[DanePugilist]

:lol: the discussion just strayed so far out of the topic, but anyway good luck to my man miranda on his comeback at SMW.:good - Miranda has the right heart and desires. But I think he will get it rough at SMW. That division is even better than MW.

[cuchulain]

:lol: the discussion just strayed so far out of the topic, but anyway good luck to my man miranda on his comeback at SMW.

I'd like to see him make something of himself.

He has the big punch, and I think he's got heart.

And he can still improve.

Time will tell.

[41fever]

will be interesting to see whether the pavlik beating will have any long term effect on him. no doubt that calzaghe and kessler would school him, but could make some noise amongst the other title contenders.

lacy v miranda would be fucking mental.
Calzag and Kess are way more skilled than Miranda, but MIranda is a couple notches above Bika, hits harder and has quicker hands, plus 168 will b nice 4 him

[Maxime]

And where does a a semi-literate, brainless twat like you get off calling a guy who fought eight rounds with a broken jaw, a coward.

You are truly fucking pathetic.

/tread

[ThePlugInBabies]

Calzag and Kess are way more skilled than Miranda, but MIranda is a couple notches above Bika, hits harder and has quicker hands, plus 168 will b nice 4 him

....and a couple of notches below lacy, eubank and reid. it remains to be seen if he can even reach the heights of the likes of brewer and mitchell in this division. kessler and calzaghe would batter him, badly.

[PH|LLA]

oh and btw, the reason pavlik gets props for defeating miranda is because...

a: miranda knocked out howard eastman

b: miranda broke abraham's jaw and had him running scared in ******land where the grimiest shit happens. miranda should have won, but still got credit with the boxing world because look what happened to abrahams career (with his titanium jaw)

c: knocked out willie gibbs in one round.

d: miranda beat allan green (would have knocked him out if it went the full 12) who is a contender at super middle and very good.

what do 'b' 'c' and ''d' have in common, they were all undefeated.
b) Araham is STILL undefeated

c) Gibbs had lost to edouard by ko4. Daniel Edouard is currently a light middleweight.

d) Allan Green is NOT a contender at SuperMiddle.

[bigeddie27]

b) Araham is STILL undefeated

c) Gibbs had lost to edouard by ko4. Daniel Edouard is currently a light middleweight.

d) Allan Green is NOT a contender at SuperMiddle.

well after that shot gibbs took from miranda im not surprised hes wrecked. and abraham may be undefeated according to record, but none of you guys are gonna try and lead me to believe miranda lost that fight.

[bigeddie27]

Thanks Cuchulain, I did the prober thing and read the whole thread:good - Once I read his first post, I was about to write something, then I saw yours, and I realized that you pretty much said all that needed to be said.

I hate when people claim others are retarded, and then post not only retarded statements, but also clueless, and hypocritical ones.

All in all I have nothing to add to his statements, since you pretty much said it all, and then some... Good job.
uh hello, culchain said miranda should have been dq'ed against abraham for deliberate fouling yet the only thing deliberate was one headbutt. the lowblows were not intentional, they were body shots that barely hit the waist line and abraham would make himself move down or move mirandas shots with his arms so the ref could deduct a point. Abraham knew the ref was gonna dock points thats why he did that shit.

And then he said miranda does not belong in the top level. that is just ridiculous considering the competition miranda went through already. I then asked who else fought that kind of competition and his answer was pavlik. read my other post comparing zertuche and mckart to gibbs, green, eastman, and abraham and you can see what nonsense that is. He doesnt have an answer to my question because honeslty even the elite guys dont go through competition like that. He belongs in the top level and he will be back and you mofos will definetly hear from me when he does.

[bigeddie27]

Thanks Cuchulain, I did the prober thing and read the whole thread:good - Once I read his first post, I was about to write something, then I saw yours, and I realized that you pretty much said all that needed to be said.

I hate when people claim others are retarded, and then post not only retarded statements, but also clueless, and hypocritical ones.

All in all I have nothing to add to his statements, since you pretty much said it all, and then some... Good job.

this is coming from a guy who said green has no power in his shots. that tells you something about dane right there and his knowledge of boxing.

[bigeddie27]

You don't think so?

You don't know. You appear to know fuck all about anything, except asswipe, bitch, asshole etc. Every time you get crushed, you come up with some other irrelevant tidbit.

Ali did NOT rematch Norton immediatelly.

The rematch took place six months later. (I watched it, before you were even thought of).

Abraham was back in eight months. Considering that fighters fought a lot more frequently in the 70's than today, those two interludes are approximately the same.

Yes i do know I looked it up.

And where does a a semi-literate, brainless twat like you get off calling a guy who fought eight rounds with a broken jaw, a coward.

You are truly fucking pathetic.
OH YEAH, ALI'S JAW WAS NOT BROKEN IN TWO PLACES: CHECK THIS OUT, WHAT NOW BITCH! CHECK THIS LINK OUT

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5TH PICTURE DOWN - SIGNED AUTOGRAPHED XRAY OF ALI'S BROKEN JAW YOU MOTHERFUCKER WHAT!

NOW YOU WANT TO TELL ME I MAKE SHIT UP? WHOS THE FUCKING KNOW ALL NOW BITCH!

[bigeddie27]

cmon dane lets see you back this twat up now. You gonna back someone up who says i make shit up yet the proof is in the pudding. Why am i even having a discussion with someone who calls me a liar when i say Abraham had his jaw broke in 2 places and Ali did not. He called me a liar yet look at the X-ray. Slayed

And on top of that - expect Abraham to be protected for the rest of career and never make any type of noise again. cause if he fights someone with a pulse - guess what - career over. As if it hasnt been already.

[rydersonthestorm]

The calzaghe vs manfredo stoppage was bs but calzaghe was all over him and manfredo had done nothing the entire time so it wasn't like he was gnna win. In regards to miranda he is a good fighter but would get owned badly by calzaghe or kessler, i would like to see him and lacy fight as there would be fireworks.

[bigeddie27]

(I'm still waiting for your response to my points about the deducted points not affecting the outcome of the fight, or my point about how a 'bitch' with a broken jaw, backed up Miranda and almost KO'd in the ninth round, and all of the other points you failed to answer.

I already responded to you on this. it didnt matter about the judges that fight - they were gonna have it for abraham no matter what. I scored the fight for miranda without the bullshit lowblows. Even though if this fight would have happened in the states Miranda would have won by KO which is what the outcome should have been. They gave Abraham too many breaks in the fight for no reason other than to screw the momentum out of miranda. And for you to not call that fight a farce is clearly pro abraham bias. And that goes for anyone else. I stay objective no matter if it is my boy miranda - he won that fight and it is pretty clear. You on the other hand saying abraham won show either a hatred for miranda, a bias for abraham, or just to argue with me. I remember the day after that fight the shitstorm on this board about it. Any knowledgeable boxing fan would have conlcuded that:

a: miradna broke his jaw with a punch - thus warranting a TKO

b: the unecessary breaks in the fight to check out his jaw were clearly there to screw the momemtum out of miranda to give abraham a rest

c: the low blows were not low blows

And after that whole farce of a fight in germany - miranda was the one who was getting geared up for his title shot with bigger money fights and national exposure on HBO. They clearly saw him the winner and better fighter. and in the mean time, abraham was in the hospital with a serious injury that should have never been let to go on that far. now his career is screwed and you all will see. when you break bones like that they do not heal right - it will get broke again. Or, he will just fight nobodies like he has been doing. Or he might just fade away into nothingess which it appears is where his career is heading. That an answer enough for ya?

Oh btw, i love how you said I made that shit up with Ali's jaw being broke in one place. Like I would say anything here without knowing what the fuck I am talking about. You didnt even bother to look it up, you just called me a liar outright. That tells me that your judgement is clouded by your pride of trying to prove me wrong.

[bigeddie27]

The calzaghe vs manfredo stoppage was bs but calzaghe was all over him and manfredo had done nothing the entire time so it wasn't like he was gnna win. In regards to miranda he is a good fighter but would get owned badly by calzaghe or kessler, i would like to see him and lacy fight as there would be fireworks.

hey calzaghe and kessler are great fighters im fans of both. Doesnt mean miranda woulndt have a punchers chance or any chance for that matter. the boy has got power and sometimes thats all you need. Ask mayorga. I would still like to see him get a shot and I believe he will.

[bigeddie27]

You don't think so?

You don't know. You appear to know fuck all about anything, except asswipe, bitch, asshole etc. Every time you get crushed, you come up with some other irrelevant tidbit.

i come up with some irrelavent tidbit. Yeah i made that one up. heres the link again - [Only registered and activated users can see links]

just to rub it in even more. But 'i dont know' right? I think you dont know shit. I wasnt even born then but I know more about Ali then you do. My ass you were watching boxing back then.

[cuchulain]

cmon dane lets see you back this twat up now. You gonna back someone up who says i make shit up yet the proof is in the pudding. Why am i even having a discussion with someone who calls me a liar when i say Abraham had his jaw broke in 2 places and Ali did not. He called me a liar yet look at the X-ray. Slayed

And on top of that - expect Abraham to be protected for the rest of career and never make any type of noise again. cause if he fights someone with a pulse - guess what - career over. As if it hasnt been already.


You still here?

You haven't died of embarrassment yet ?

Who called you a liar?

Refer me to the post #.

Better still, quote where I called you a liar. (No paraphrasing here, just an exact quote.)


I think part of your problem is that you can't read.

[cuchulain]

Oh btw, i love how you said I made that shit up with Ali's jaw being broke in one place. Like I would say anything here without knowing what the fuck I am talking about. You didnt even bother to look it up, you just called me a liar outright. That tells me that your judgement is clouded by your pride of trying to prove me wrong.


I'm still waiting for the part where I called you a liar.

Where was that?

And I don't have to prove ANYTHING about you. You've done an excellent job of displaying yourself without any help from me.

[bigeddie27]

Abraham went on to KO another couple of fighters.

what fighters? you mean Sabastian Demers. Lets take a look at his record: wow for one hes a light hitter 21 - 1 with 9KOS - real danger for arthur on that one. Oh wow anohter thing, the only fighter worth any recognition on his resume is Mamadou Thiam who if I remember correctly, got knocked the fuck out by tito back when he was a junior middle.

Ok lets look at the other fight he had after that bullshit of a decision win against miranda:

Korhen Grevor. Another nobody. Look at his resume - fought nobodies. So Arthur has the title, yet for some reason Pavlik is getting the shot against Taylor while Abraham is fighting bums. That is real impressive of Arthur. Real impressive indeed.

[bigeddie27]

I'm still waiting for the part where I called you a liar.

Where was that?

And I don't have to prove ANYTHING about you. You've done an excellent job of displaying yourself without any help from me.
post #91, you got some short term memory problems. SLAYED. dont try and backpeddle now asswipe.

[bigeddie27]

He seems to doing fine since he resumed his career.

Miranda, on the other hand......?

(Muhammad Ali had his jaw wired after his first fight with Norton and went on to beat Norton twice, Frazier twice and big George, as well as many others.)

and here is the orginial post where you try to compare ali's broken jaw to abrahams. They were not the same injury, like i said afterwards, because ali had 1 fracture whereas abraham had it broke in two different places. But then in post #91 you claim that I made that shit up when I tried to enlighten you on the fact that abraham's injury was different and far worse than Ali's.

[bigeddie27]

anyways in the end Im done here. Time will tell what miranda has left and I know he will come back and win a title at supermiddle. And when he does I am going to throw it in everyons face around here. Calling him trash, I bet none of you asswipes would get in the ring with him. Calchucin its been a pleasure arguing with you.

[Jinx]

oh and btw, the reason pavlik gets props for defeating miranda is because...

a: miranda knocked out howard eastman

b: miranda broke abraham's jaw and had him running scared in ******land where the grimiest shit happens. miranda should have won, but still got credit with the boxing world because look what happened to abrahams career (with his titanium jaw)

c: knocked out willie gibbs in one round.

d: miranda beat allan green (would have knocked him out if it went the full 12) who is a contender at super middle and very good.

what do 'b' 'c' and ''d' have in common, they were all undefeated.

Willie Gibbs was not undefeated...he was starched brutally by Daniel Edouard of all people...

[cuchulain]

and here is the orginial post where you try to compare ali's broken jaw to abrahams. They were not the same injury, like i said afterwards, because ali had 1 fracture whereas abraham had it broke in two different places. But then in post #91 you claim that I made that shit up when I tried to enlighten you on the fact that abraham's injury was different and far worse than Ali's.


No where did I call you a liar. I think you're none too bright and pitifully lacking in boxing knowledg (and logic), but I did not call you a liar.

Here is post #91 in its entirety:

Your post:


was it broke in 2 places? didnt think so. and look check this out, ali fought Norton immediately after losing to him. that coward abraham wanted no part of miranda after that fight. look at how long his layoff was. you comparing that injury to the one abraham suffered you dumbshit.


and my response:


You don't think so? You don't know. You appear to know fuck all about anything, except asswipe, bitch, asshole etc. Every time you get crushed, you come up with some other irrelevant tidbit.

Ali did NOT rematch Norton immediatelly.

The rematch took place six months later. (I watched it, before you were even thought of).

Abraham was back in eight months. Considering that fighters fought a lot more frequently in the 70's than today, those two interludes are approximately the same.

And where does a a semi-literate, brainless twat like you get off calling a guy who fought eight rounds with a broken jaw, a coward.

You are truly fucking pathetic.

As anyone with a brain can see, I pointed out (correctly) that the rematch was NOT immediate, but took place six months later.

I added that Abraham was fighting again (and winning) eight months after his injury.

NOWHERE is there a mention of you being a liar.

I assumed you were mistaken, and pointed out the facts for you. That is not calling you a liar.



As for your comments re: Abraham being a coward, I think eveyone who has seen your post has made up his mind about your judgment in that matter.

You couldn't prove true facts, much less the deluded horseshit that your brain dreams up.

[cuchulain]

what fighters? you mean Sabastian Demers. Lets take a look at his record: wow for one hes a light hitter 21 - 1 with 9KOS - real danger for arthur on that one. Oh wow anohter thing, the only fighter worth any recognition on his resume is Mamadou Thiam who if I remember correctly, got knocked the fuck out by tito back when he was a junior middle.

Ok lets look at the other fight he had after that bullshit of a decision win against miranda:

Korhen Grevor. Another nobody. Look at his resume - fought nobodies. So Arthur has the title, yet for some reason Pavlik is getting the shot against Taylor while Abraham is fighting bums. That is real impressive of Arthur. Real impressive indeed.


Again, as usual, you completely miss the point.

YOU asserted that Abraham's career was over. Fact is, it isn't , as demonstrated by the fact that he has had two subsequent fights, won both by KO, and is still undefeated.

You bring witlessness to a new level of low.

[cuchulain]

anyways in the end Im done here. Time will tell what miranda has left Did you lift that out of my post last night ? (#99)

and I know he will come back and win a title at supermiddle. And when he does I am going to throw it in everyons face around here.

Calling him trash, Again, where did ayone call him trash ?

I bet none of you asswipes would get in the ring with him.

I sure wouldn't get in the ring with ANY professional boxer less than half my age. What does that prove ?

I wonder if you would step in the ring with a healthy Abraham after calling him a bitch and a coward.

Calchucin its been a pleasure arguing with you.

Who the fuck is he?

Have you been arguing with him too?

I don't suppose you got on any better with Calchucin than you did with me.




I'll give you some free, unsolicited advice.

Try to keep the personal out of your posts. If someone doesn't see things the way you do, that doesn't necessarily mean they are an asshole, a bitch, an asswipe or any of those things.

It doesn't mean that the hate A or love B. Maybe they just don't give a shit, one way or the other, and the post is just their unbiased opinion.

It's ok for you to have a different opinion. It's even ok to attack other opinions, but you shouldn't get personal, nor leap to conclusions as to why they hold those opinions.

I've had my opinion changed once in a while by reading other posters. But they usually argue points and facts and don't get into personal attacks.

If you reread my posts, you will find no personal bias against Edison. I have stated that I hope he does well and gets better training. I've mentioned his strengths (heart and power), but at this point, I feel he's not at the top of the heap. I feel he was overrated, just as I feel Pavlik is somewhat overrated now. (I could be wrong; he might crush Taylor and, with more wins, become an ATG).


I understand your defence of a fellow countryman, but your Abraham stuff went a bit far, don't you think ?

Anyway, think about it for a day or two. This post doesn't need a response. Its just friendly advice. It's up to you what to do with it.

[magnificentdave]

who's Miranda fighting on oct. 2nd? if he looks like his old self at 168, I'll be back on his bandwagon, he's got a lot of energy and tenacity in the ring

[bigeddie27]

Again, as usual, you completely miss the point.

YOU asserted that Abraham's career was over. Fact is, it isn't , as demonstrated by the fact that he has had two subsequent fights, won both by KO, and is still undefeated.

You bring witlessness to a new level of low.

well see how his career pans out. just remember where you heard it hear first. and if you dont remember, ill remind you later on. but youll prolly dney ever saying anything just like you tried to backpeddle from saying i made that shit up that ali's broken jaw was not the same as abrahams.

[bigeddie27]

I'll give you some free, unsolicited advice.

Try to keep the personal out of your posts. If someone doesn't see things the way you do, that doesn't necessarily mean they are an asshole, a bitch, an asswipe or any of those things.

It doesn't mean that the hate A or love B. Maybe they just don't give a shit, one way or the other, and the post is just their unbiased opinion.

It's ok for you to have a different opinion. It's even ok to attack other opinions, but you shouldn't get personal, nor leap to conclusions as to why they hold those opinions.

I've had my opinion changed once in a while by reading other posters. But they usually argue points and facts and don't get into personal attacks.

If you reread my posts, you will find no personal bias against Edison. I have stated that I hope he does well and gets better training. I've mentioned his strengths (heart and power), but at this point, I feel he's not at the top of the heap. I feel he was overrated, just as I feel Pavlik is somewhat overrated now. (I could be wrong; he might crush Taylor and, with more wins, become an ATG).


I understand your defence of a fellow countryman, but your Abraham stuff went a bit far, don't you think ?

Anyway, think about it for a day or two. This post doesn't need a response. Its just friendly advice. It's up to you what to do with it.
man we can keep this thread going forever. but look, lets just fuck this shit and see what happens in the future. i think edison belongs on the top level you dont so fuck it well let it stand at that. you think his fouls were deliberate i dont so well just end it at that too.

[cuchulain]

well see how his career pans out. just remember where you heard it hear first. and if you dont remember, ill remind you later on. but youll prolly dney ever saying anything just like you tried to backpeddle from saying i made that shit up that ali's broken jaw was not the same as abrahams.


I don't deny anything I've said.

I didn't backpedal on anything I've said either.

I didn't say you made up shit either.

( I did say you were mistaken about Ali rematching Norton immediatelly, and you were. I had to wait six long months for that fight)

I hope Miranda improves, and I hope he prospers, whatever he does.

[cuchulain]

man we can keep this thread going forever. but look, lets just fuck this shit and see what happens in the future. i think edison belongs on the top level you dont so fuck it well let it stand at that. you think his fouls were deliberate i dont so well just end it at that too.

Like I said, it was friendly advice, for you to do with as you wish.

I agree with your last point.

We'll agree to difer on where to place Miranda at this point.

And we'll leave it at that.


Regards.

Cuchulain

[Brickhaus]

I'd also like to add that Ghevor was a legitimate top 10 fighter in his weight class. Abraham hasn't fought top 10 P4P guys, but he hasn't been fighting schlumps like Erdei and Dzinziruk either.

[DanePugilist]

this is coming from a guy who said green has no power in his shots. that tells you something about dane right there and his knowledge of boxing.I have never said that - Thanks for showing your lack of reading comprehension. I said that Allen had okay power, but Jaidon was felled too easily.

[DanePugilist]

uh hello, culchain said miranda should have been dq'ed against abraham for deliberate fouling yet the only thing deliberate was one headbutt. the lowblows were not intentional, they were body shots that barely hit the waist line and abraham would make himself move down or move mirandas shots with his arms so the ref could deduct a point. Abraham knew the ref was gonna dock points thats why he did that shit.
You also said its okay in your book to do foul play. Intentional headbutts should be at least points deduction - if not DQ. This is boxing, not ultimate fighting.

And then he said miranda does not belong in the top level. that is just ridiculous considering the competition miranda went through already. I then asked who else fought that kind of competition and his answer was pavlik. read my other post comparing zertuche and mckart to gibbs, green, eastman, and abraham and you can see what nonsense that is. He doesnt have an answer to my question because honeslty even the elite guys dont go through competition like that. He belongs in the top level and he will be back and you mofos will definetly hear from me when he does.Miranda has had a good string of good fights, and I respect him for trying to get the difficult ones.

Thus far he has failed to claim a top rank spot, since he did loose to both Pavlik and AA. The latter had a broken jaw almost throughout the fight - and Miranda should have been able to win easily from then on. Much kudos from me to AA for being a tough mofo.

I can respect Cuchulains pick of Pavlik since managed to succeed in winning his fights, but I do think that Miranda had a better string of fighters on the last few bouts, when excl. Taylor for Pavlik.