what do you guys study?

[wingchung]

what do you guys study?

[Chris85]

Fma

[TKDfighterJoe]

Kukki-Taekwondo (literally, world Taekwondo) Which is the largest martial art in the world. With over 80 million practitioners in over 180 countries and growing strong. Truly Taekwondo. There are other misleading, fractured, disorganized, and communist versions of the genuine article which should not be truly called Taekwondo. Kukki-Taekwondo (incorrectly known to many practitioners as WTF Taekwondo) is the national sport of the founding nation, S. Korea, and the only full medal olympic sport (shi-hap kyorugi, one type of sparring in taekwondo) to allow kicking.

Physical aspects of taekwondo include
Kyorugi (in effect, sparring. Literal translation 'conflict with the self)
Poomsae (in effect, forms.)
Kyuk-pa (breaking. Most commonly wood, concrete, and granite)
Mommage (Grabbing techniques similar to hapkido (korean akido)

Tae being to defend the body with the area from the finger tips to the elbow
Kwon being to defend the body with the area from the knee to the toes
Do being The way, or the path. That path being the things we learn about life as Taekwondo practitioners. I like to think of it as to defend the body with the mind through the qualities gained in the Taekwondo experience.

Taekwondo is one whole compound word, and has been for some time now. We do not spell foot ball, basket ball, base ball, kick boxing, volley ball, etc... because the words must be combined together to gather the complete meaning.

Just a basic summary.

[Beebs]

BJJ, boxed for several years.

[196osh]

BJJ, but im still very much a noob.

[achillesthegreat]

boxing, ever so slightly dabbled in bjj and just generally interested in all arts.

[Beebs]

Also finance, philosophic, and economics. :lol:

[achillesthegreat]

oh, that type of studying. my mistake. i used to study history, now i am in recruitment.

[pijo]

How is bjj? As of late it has really interested me. There is a club about a mile from me but I talked to the bloke on YouTube and he answered my questions apart from the price which has me a bit worried, as of now I'm skint.

So is it worth it if it is quite expensive?

I have done Thai boxing for about six months when I was younger and did boxing for about a year and half.

[ufoalf]

How is bjj? As of late it has really interested me. There is a club about a mile from me but I talked to the bloke on YouTube and he answered my questions apart from the price which has me a bit worried, as of now I'm skint.

So is it worth it if it is quite expensive?

I have done Thai boxing for about six months when I was younger and did boxing for about a year and half.

Try it out. Most schools will allow you to come and see for yourself if it's your cup of tea. If money is a problem than it's up to you really.

I can tell you that in one on one fighting in the streets there's nothing better than to know how to submit someone. I can think of countless of times when it would've been useful to me prior to this knowledge.

Clearly you'll get as much back as you give at practice. So, if it's a respectable school(Give us a name of the school and the teacher an we'll tell you how promising it might be), and you put in the time it's definitely worth the time.

[ufoalf]

Also finance, philosophic, and economics. :lol:

:lol:
College burns me out. Not gona lie, I do a lot more practicing than studying in MMA.

[Beebs]

How is bjj? As of late it has really interested me. There is a club about a mile from me but I talked to the bloke on YouTube and he answered my questions apart from the price which has me a bit worried, as of now I'm skint.

So is it worth it if it is quite expensive?

I have done Thai boxing for about six months when I was younger and did boxing for about a year and half.


To be honest if it is not good quality training, its too expensive for you to justify (only you can make that call), you don't have much time, and especially if you have some other sort of training; I would vote no in this case.

Do you have a link to the school?

England is pretty good at Judo for an English speaking country, it tends to be cheaper, look into that.

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£12 a year, £16 a month

[pijo]

Try it out. Most schools will allow you to come and see for yourself if it's your cup of tea. If money is a problem than it's up to you really.

I can tell you that in one on one fighting in the streets there's nothing better than to know how to submit someone. I can think of countless of times when it would've been useful to me prior to this knowledge.

Clearly you'll get as much back as you give at practice. So, if it's a respectable school(Give us a name of the school and the teacher an we'll tell you how promising it might be), and you put in the time it's definitely worth the time.
Cheers mate, I would definately put the time. I get pretty addicted to anything like this, haha.

Here is the website for the local club by me.
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I think this is the bloke who actually teaches you though. I can't imagine a Brazilian black belt would teach in Stoke.
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[pijo]

To be honest if it is not good quality training, its too expensive for you to justify (only you can make that call), you don't have much time, and especially if you have some other sort of training; I would vote no in this case.

England is pretty good at Judo for an English speaking country, it tends to be cheaper, look into that.
It'll probably be after Christmas now but I will look in to it. It's the only way I'll know suppose. I've got nothing to lose.

[Beebs]

Since you might have missed my edit:

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£12 a year, £16 a month

[pijo]

Since you might have missed my edit:

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£12 a year, £16 a month
Sorry mate, I missed that.

Just had a quick look and it doesn't seem like it does it anywhere near me. I'll have a good look in a bit. Dirt cheap though that is.

Cheers.

[Irishbc]

Kukki-Taekwondo (literally, world Taekwondo) Which is the largest martial art in the world. With over 80 million practitioners in over 180 countries and growing strong. Truly Taekwondo. There are other misleading, fractured, disorganized, and communist versions of the genuine article which should not be truly called Taekwondo. Kukki-Taekwondo (incorrectly known to many practitioners as WTF Taekwondo) is the national sport of the founding nation, S. Korea, and the only full medal olympic sport (shi-hap kyorugi, one type of sparring in taekwondo) to allow kicking.

Physical aspects of taekwondo include
Kyorugi (in effect, sparring. Literal translation 'conflict with the self)
Poomsae (in effect, forms.)
Kyuk-pa (breaking. Most commonly wood, concrete, and granite)
Mommage (Grabbing techniques similar to hapkido (korean akido)

Tae being to defend the body with the area from the finger tips to the elbow
Kwon being to defend the body with the area from the knee to the toes
Do being The way, or the path. That path being the things we learn about life as Taekwondo practitioners. I like to think of it as to defend the body with the mind through the qualities gained in the Taekwondo experience.

Taekwondo is one whole compound word, and has been for some time now. We do not spell foot ball, basket ball, base ball, kick boxing, volley ball, etc... because the words must be combined together to gather the complete meaning.

Just a basic summary.


Joe Rogan: "I made my living with Tae Kwon do, and I will be the first person to tell you it's an almost useless martial art. When I first started kickboxing I quickly realised 99% of TKD is absolutely useless"

Now, I hate Joe Rogan (See my "Joe Rogan is a Twat" thread) but all of you MMA guys insist he is the be all end all of fighting knowledge, and I disagree with almost everything he says but he's spot on on this one. And you have the nerve to discredit Bruce Lees teachings lol.

[Beebs]

Sorry mate, I missed that.

Just had a quick look and it doesn't seem like it does it anywhere near me. I'll have a good look in a bit. Dirt cheap though that is.

Cheers.

Damn, are there two Vale-on-Trents? Or is it just on the other side of town? Try typing in your zip (post?) code and judo on google or BJJ, or MMA, or whatever.

[Beebs]

Joe Rogan: "I made my living with Tae Kwon do, and I will be the first person to tell you it's an almost useless martial art. When I first started kickboxing I quickly realised 99% of TKD is absolutely useless"

Now, I hate Joe Rogan (See my "Joe Rogan is a Twat" thread) but all of you MMA guys insist he is the be all end all of fighting knowledge, and I disagree with almost everything he says but he's spot on on this one. And you have the nerve to discredit Bruce Lees teachings lol.

He also at times points out when a guy with TKD training lands something that he likely learned from it. Basically he contradicts himself....shocking as that may seem.

[196osh]

Basically he contradicts himself....shocking as that may seem.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[pijo]

Damn, are there two Vale-on-Trents? Or is it just on the other side of town? Try typing in your zip (post?) code and judo on google or BJJ, or MMA, or whatever.
:lol:Sorry mate that's my fault. I come from Stoke-on-Trent but there is two football teams in Stoke, Stoke City and Port Vale. I support Vale so I put Vale instead of Stoke.

There is a mma gym which is run by Ross Pointon who was on the ultimate fighter. To be honest mate I think I'm going try the bjj after Christmas.

Cheers pal.

[196osh]

I recomend it. Some online instructional video's or watching some BJJ rolling would be a decent idea. Just so if they let you roll you will have an idea of how to put in a sub or two.

[Nosbor]

I am a BJJ blue belt for one year. I have been training for two and one half years.

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If any of you are in/around Santa Barbara and you want to roll. send me a PM. I am 101 kgs

[sugarngold]

I'm too injured up to train at the academy anymore - but I started in Okinawan Karate, did a few years of Aikido, then a long stretch of American Jukido Jujitsu and also Relson Gracie Brazilian jiujitsu - all supplemented by studying Bruce Lee's books.

[Knight3000]

I just started Judo this summer. My buddy is a purple belt in BJJ, and he teaches a class at a local college. I do both.

[TKDfighterJoe]

Joe Rogan: "I made my living with Tae Kwon do, and I will be the first person to tell you it's an almost useless martial art. When I first started kickboxing I quickly realised 99% of TKD is absolutely useless"

Now, I hate Joe Rogan (See my "Joe Rogan is a Twat" thread) but all of you MMA guys insist he is the be all end all of fighting knowledge, and I disagree with almost everything he says but he's spot on on this one. And you have the nerve to discredit Bruce Lees teachings lol.Joe rogan is a nobody in the world of taekwondo. Ive posted this whole discussion multiple stimes before, sadly the 'search' button is broken and Im not up for typing it out again.

Just know this, I have trained with two different US olympic team coaches, The US national team, the world headquarters in korea, and have been intimatly involved in taekwondo for my entire life. My father for slmost 40 years. And It is painfully obvious that joe rogan never won anything bigger than a mixed-karate local friendship tournament.

No olympic/collegiate circut event or anything even near that calibur.

[achillesthegreat]

joe rogan is quite knowledgable. isn't he a blackbelt in TKD. he must know what he is talking about. i doubt he got to black belt in a few weeks.

[Beebs]

The tournament he is said to have won is the US Open.

[achillesthegreat]

I find this on another website:
What fans may not know is Rogan’s life-long passion for martial arts and specifically Ultimate Fighting Championship’s mixed martial arts’ blend of boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, jiu-jitsu and karate. Rogan earned a black belt at 15 with just two years of training. Soon he became the Massachusetts full contact tae kwon do champion four consecutive times. By the age of 19, he won the U.S. Open Tae Kwon Do Championship, and as the lightweight champion, he went on to beat both the middle and heavyweight title-holder to take home the Grand Championship.

[paloalto00]

I box now, dabbled in BJJ, wrestled last year in high school, did Taekwondo as a kid.

[RonnieHornschuh]

I am a Judo blue belt. Also doing a bit of boxing.

[TKDfighterJoe]

joe rogan is quite knowledgable. isn't he a blackbelt in TKD. he must know what he is talking about. i doubt he got to black belt in a few weeks.where you got the blackbelt from is much mre important. The vast majority of schools in america it is two classes a week @ 45 mins. two-three years later you have a blackbelt. tada. Most arent even certified by the world headquarters

I'm 4th dan kukkiwon (the kodokan of taekwondo) and I have trained at the world headquarters. I am far more knowledgeable, experienced, and senior than him.

also, he is not certified by the kukkiown. He probably got a certificate from kinkos copies. Korean instructors who don't teach their students properly often do this.

go here, clikc check for poom/dan, enter his information and see if anything comes up.

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Joe(or jospeh) Rogan
670811 (YYMMDD)

The tournament he is said to have won is the US Open.It is NOT the US OPEN.

I find this on another website:
What fans may not know is Rogan’s life-long passion for martial arts and specifically Ultimate Fighting Championship’s mixed martial arts’ blend of boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, jiu-jitsu and karate. Rogan earned a black belt at 15 with just two years of training. Soon he became the Massachusetts full contact tae kwon do champion four consecutive times. By the age of 19, he won the U.S. Open Tae Kwon Do Championship, and as the lightweight champion, he went on to beat both the middle and heavyweight title-holder to take home the Grand Championship.If you familiar with taekwondo, this would not even be a discussion. Let me try to explain this.

IOC (international olympic comittie) --> WTF (world taekwondo federation) ---> USAT (USA taekwondo) ----> US OPEN (WTF sanctioned internationl tournament)

this is how the progression of the actual US open is. He DID NOT fight at the actual us open. He fought at some small shitty local-tournament called 'us open' to make it sound hardcore which are all over the damn place. I could go into some huge thing about how he never won a USAT (USTU, united states taekwondo union, in his time) event whether it be state, regional, or national.

I know it was not THE us open because you cannot rise up and fight different weight divisions in any WTF/USAT/olympic event. The weight divisions are put in for saftey, you weigh in that day to qualify for your division. They do that moving up shit when it is some local friendship tournament. There is not and never has been a 'grand chamion' of the US open.

you can read how the results look, here

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the weight divisions look like this:

fin
fly
bantam
feather
light
welter
light-middle
middle
light-heavy
heavy

find me the year he 'won' in, I probably know people who were at the tournament that year and I can probably find the catual results.

As for the 'Massachusetts full contact tae kwon do' tournament if anyone could find record or the website of the tournament, because that is not the same massechusettes state tournament which would qualify you for nationals. BULL SHIT.

also, his instructor Mr. J. H. Kim

"Mr. Kim carries the tradition set by some of the most recognized Taekwon-do masters in the world. He was especially fortunate to receive personal teachings from General Choi, Hong Hi"

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yes general choi hong hi, the former south korean general and northern communist conspirator who fled for his life and defected to N. korea to found the much smaller, non-olympic, (and currently fractured) ITF taekwondo.

I know this doesn't make much sense to you but his instructor is/was a quack, and the tournaments he fought at were bullshit friend tournaments with misleading names.

[Polymath]

but all of you MMA guys insist he is the be all end all of fighting knowledge

Thats pretty much the opposite of how most 'MMA guys' think of him.

[TKDfighterJoe]

Joe Rogan: "I made my living with Tae Kwon do, and I will be the first person to tell you it's an almost useless martial art. When I first started kickboxing I quickly realised 99% of TKD is absolutely useless"

Now, I hate Joe Rogan (See my "Joe Rogan is a Twat" thread) but all of you MMA guys insist he is the be all end all of fighting knowledge, and I disagree with almost everything he says but he's spot on on this one. And you have the nerve to discredit Bruce Lees teachings lol.

also, he did not make his living off taekwondo at age 15.


1. could you find me where he said that? I need it for another reason
2. could you pls fin your 'joe rogan is a twat' thread, its where i posted all this sht before.

damn search feature is off, im looking now.

edit, found it. Last post in your thread. My former pst on joe rogan:

what the FUCK.

joe rogan gold at the US open?

what fucking year? lol this must be utter bullshit, I'm looking it up.

edit: okay, I knew this was bullshit. let me explain to non-tkd practitioners that the 'US open' tournament is hosted and sanctioned by the USAT (formerly the USTU) which is the IOC and USOC (international/us olympic comittie) recognized governing body of taekwondo in the US (think usaboxing). This tournament draws international level fighters and even some national team members.

"On the issue of Joe Rogan's competitive background as four time Massachusetts State Champion in TKD, and US Open TKD champion, Grand Master Jae H. Kim, Head instructor of TKD Boston, and Joe Rogan's instructor, elaborates more specifically on his TKD competitive career in this email (Richard Smith is also an instructor at TKD Boston):

"Joe Rogan was a Light Weight and Richard Smith was a Heavy Weight. The competition in 1987 was not US Open but American Open Tae Kwon Do Championship. The final match was between Joe Rogan (Light Weight Champion) and somebody from New York (Heavy Weight Champion). Joe won with a roundhouse kick to the other fellow's mid section. Joe was a good student at our school." Jae H. Kim"

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the tournament he went to is a cluster-fuck of a bunch of wacky martial arts fighting in some kind of freestyle stuff using outdated rules, techniques, and formatting. It sounds like point-style to me (fight is stopped after every point, an arcaic version of taekwondo that was outdated back in the 70's, hardly full-contact). I can gaurentee that he was never anyone in taekwondo, never national team member, probably never even state-level fighter.

Also, if the tournament was in 1987 (he was born 1967) he was 20 years old.

tl;dr? joe rogan is NOT a taekwondo fighter of any substance.

no kidding he thinks taekwondo is shit, he never did anything close to olympic circut competitions anyway.

[chimba]

I took Aikido and have a blackbelt under Tenshin Aikido (James Berkley)..google that shit.
I did Judo as well, but never got far since I moved. Trained under the tutullege of Shiro Oishi.

My love is Kali. i studied Sayoc Kali for 10 fucking years. Chris Sayoc is the best most innovative Kali practicioner in the west IMHO

But in class we did all kinds of shit, JJ, Judo, Kendo, MT under Bill Schetinno (who was a pit bull)

BTW I also worked out with Steven Schiandra of Martial Arts Studio. THe mas a a great wrestler

[Wilhelm]

I've boxed on and off for years, but finally found a really good coach a couple of years ago at a JKD gym but had to leave that gym because I moved. I'm going to start up at another boxing/kickboxing gym and will join the college judo club where my wife just started school. I've always wanted to do judo and I'm really excited to start.

[karatekid530]

where you got the blackbelt from is much mre important. The vast majority of schools in america it is two classes a week @ 45 mins. two-three years later you have a blackbelt. tada. Most arent even certified by the world headquarters

I'm 4th dan kukkiwon (the kodokan of taekwondo) and I have trained at the world headquarters. I am far more knowledgeable, experienced, and senior than him.

also, he is not certified by the kukkiown. He probably got a certificate from kinkos copies. Korean instructors who don't teach their students properly often do this.

go here, clikc check for poom/dan, enter his information and see if anything comes up.

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Joe(or jospeh) Rogan
670811 (YYMMDD)

It is NOT the US OPEN.

If you familiar with taekwondo, this would not even be a discussion. Let me try to explain this.

IOC (international olympic comittie) --> WTF (world taekwondo federation) ---> USAT (USA taekwondo) ----> US OPEN (WTF sanctioned internationl tournament)

this is how the progression of the actual US open is. He DID NOT fight at the actual us open. He fought at some small shitty local-tournament called 'us open' to make it sound hardcore which are all over the damn place. I could go into some huge thing about how he never won a USAT (USTU, united states taekwondo union, in his time) event whether it be state, regional, or national.

I know it was not THE us open because you cannot rise up and fight different weight divisions in any WTF/USAT/olympic event. The weight divisions are put in for saftey, you weigh in that day to qualify for your division. They do that moving up shit when it is some local friendship tournament. There is not and never has been a 'grand chamion' of the US open.

you can read how the results look, here

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the weight divisions look like this:

fin
fly
bantam
feather
light
welter
light-middle
middle
light-heavy
heavy

find me the year he 'won' in, I probably know people who were at the tournament that year and I can probably find the catual results.

As for the 'Massachusetts full contact tae kwon do' tournament if anyone could find record or the website of the tournament, because that is not the same massechusettes state tournament which would qualify you for nationals. BULL SHIT.

also, his instructor Mr. J. H. Kim

"Mr. Kim carries the tradition set by some of the most recognized Taekwon-do masters in the world. He was especially fortunate to receive personal teachings from General Choi, Hong Hi"

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yes general choi hong hi, the former south korean general and northern communist conspirator who fled for his life and defected to N. korea to found the much smaller, non-olympic, (and currently fractured) ITF taekwondo.

I know this doesn't make much sense to you but his instructor is/was a quack, and the tournaments he fought at were bullshit friend tournaments with misleading names.

you need to calm down man, sounds like you're taking it a lot more personally than you should. what he took as a kid has no bearing on your life, no reason to blow it so out of proportion.

[karatekid530]

i took karate for 5.5 years and earned a black belt, did boxing for a little over a year, but ran out of money and led too busy of a life to have room for it. nothing at the moment but am looking into aikido or judo because i've always had an interest in those arts. possibly bjj if i can find a decent school in the area.

[TKDfighterJoe]

you need to calm down man, sounds like you're taking it a lot more personally than you should. what he took as a kid has no bearing on your life, no reason to blow it so out of proportion.his ignorant uninformed publicly broadcast opinions and lies about my lifestyle effect me in a vastly negative way both financially and socially.

this isn't personal?

[karatekid530]

his ignorant uninformed publicly broadcast opinions and lies about my lifestyle effect me in a vastly negative way both financially and socially.

this isn't personal?

you've never met him, he's never talked negatively of you, your family, or anyone you know for that matter. people like to brag and embellish, that doesn't mean you should take what they say personally. i can guarantee you that anything joe has said about tkd has no impact on your school or the opinions of anyone one in it. i can also guarantee that anyone who chooses to badmouth tkd for any reason don't have their opinions because of him. so with that in mind, no it's not personal. unless he's spoken to you directly or insulted you(not your art) in some way, i think you could probably calm down a little bit.

people talk negatively about karate, and i'll defend the art so i know where you're coming from. but if someone like gsp made false claims about his history with karate i wouldn't take it personally in any way. what someone chooses to say has no effect on my life until it's actually about me.

[TKDfighterJoe]

you've never met him, he's never talked negatively of you, your family, or anyone you know for that matter. people like to brag and embellish, that doesn't mean you should take what they say personally. i can guarantee you that anything joe has said about tkd has no impact on your school or the opinions of anyone one in it. i can also guarantee that anyone who chooses to badmouth tkd for any reason don't have their opinions because of him. so with that in mind, no it's not personal. unless he's spoken to you directly or insulted you(not your art) in some way, i think you could probably calm down a little bit.

people talk negatively about karate, and i'll defend the art so i know where you're coming from. but if someone like gsp made false claims about his history with karate i wouldn't take it personally in any way. what someone chooses to say has no effect on my life until it's actually about me.
You don't think an announcer on one of the most watched television programs in the country saying 90% of taekwondo is useless acting like he is some kind of former taekwondo GRAND CHAMPION has any effect on people opinions?

This conversation was started because someone thought Taekwondo was worthless, and used Joe rogan saying it as a main point. And I have encountered people on multiple occasions who have mentioned it, I see it all over youtube and forums.

You speak of me 'taking it personally' as if I'm trying to destroy joe rogan as a person. I am not, I have only commented on his fabricated martial arts career. If I were taking it 'personaly' I would be publicly attacking the size of his genitalia or something to that extenet. It sounds like you are exaggerating my criticism.

and yes, I do know people who have met and talked to Joe rogan. See the first quote in my signature.

[karatekid530]

You don't think an announcer on one of the most watched television programs in the country saying 90% of taekwondo is useless acting like he is some kind of former taekwondo GRAND CHAMPION has any effect on people opinions?

This conversation was started because someone thought Taekwondo was worthless, and used Joe rogan saying it as a main point. And I have encountered people on multiple occasions who have mentioned it, I see it all over youtube and forums.

You speak of me 'taking it personally' as if I'm trying to destroy joe rogan as a person. I am not, I have only commented on his fabricated martial arts career. If I were taking it 'personaly' I would be publicly attacking the size of his genitalia or something to that extenet. It sounds like you are exaggerating my criticism.

and yes, I do know people who have met and talked to Joe rogan. See the first quote in my signature.

Alright, let me just clarify that i'm someone who appreciates all martial arts. each have their pros and cons. i can appreciate people who train in tkd seriously and know that they're very athletic people, it's far from worthless. i've sparred with people who practice tkd and i know that a well placed kick from them hurts just as much as any other kick you can be hit with. a few things that i can say that hold true that i'm sure you can agree with are that tkd is a very specialized art and going into a fight being well versed in kicks can be a risky venture, especially in close range. and a tkd style kick with the instep of the foot needs to be very well placed and timed to avoid the foot being broken on say a knee or elbow. i think things like this are part of what a lot of people base their negative opinions on. the misunderstand the art and see it as something that's worthless, but knowing how to kick is a very important skill to have. regardless of if it comes from tkd, karate, muay thai, savate, etc etc.

I wasn't trying to imply that your aim was to destroy him, just that there was a note of hostility in what you wrote that seemed a bit out of place. again, i want to say that i've defended my arts/arts in general enough times to see where you're coming from and why you're angry. but, having spent two years as a firefighter and seeing a lot of things i wish i wouldn't have fresh out of high school i can tell you that there are more important things to worry about in life than what someone else says.

you study taekwondo, enjoy it. teach your classes and improve every day and be happy with what you bring to tkd every day, don't worry about what someone said in the past. if someone comes to you trying to badmouth your art, let him spend a day being taught by you and see if you can change his opinion.

[TKDfighterJoe]

I enjoy your enthusiasm for taekowndo, and martial arts in general. I am simply discrediting Joe rogans credibility on taekwondo because of his misleading comments. I am not on some kind of life long mission to bash joe rogan.

[karatekid530]

yea i gotcha. your friends that've met him...did they talk to him about his claims? they should've asked why he feels a need to lie about that.

[karatekid530]

having said all that, i'm probably one of the few people here who won't bad mouth tkd. so if you ever care to share ideas/compare arts or talk shop feel free.

[196osh]

From my limited experience of TKD. I would say that they have great power in their kicks, but its not 100% a good idea to attempt to kick with your instep if your actually fighting somebody in mma for example you are more likley to hurt yourself than if your trying to kick with your shin. Particularly if your throwing a leg kick.

It suffers from similar limitations as Kyokushin Karate with the stance, in that protecting yourself from head punches is not high up on the agenda. Mabye TKDfighterJoe could tell me about this, how much leg kicking do you do? Obviously none for compitions but for say self defence.

I think it is as effective as any art that is not full contact kickboxing/muay thai in terms of stand up.

[karatekid530]

From my limited experience of TKD. I would say that they have great power in their kicks, but its not 100% a good idea to attempt to kick with your instep if your actually fighting somebody in mma for example you are more likley to hurt yourself than if your trying to kick with your shin. Particularly if your throwing a leg kick.

It suffers from similar limitations as Kyokushin Karate with the stance, in that protecting yourself from head punches is not high up on the agenda. Mabye TKDfighterJoe could tell me about this, how much leg kicking do you do? Obviously none for compitions but for say self defence.

I think it is as effective as any art that is not full contact kickboxing/muay thai in terms of stand up.

instep vs shin is really a horses for courses type thing. instep is fine if you're not risking hitting it on a hard bone. if i was aiming for the liver id be fine using the instep/lower shin. with leg kicks i'd have to agree that the instep would be a good way to get your foot broken. one checked kick and i could see the kicker limping away in pain. instep offers speed though, and as they say..speed kills. the people i know who are proficient with tkd can really light it up with their feet and are real mofos at range. the problem with tkd is once you get inside of kicking range a lot of their options get taken away.

as far as the karate stance i'd also have to agree. but a stance is easily remedied with a little cross training. if you saw me sparring you'd see my upper body in a good boxer's guard from the time i spent doing that, and my feet would be similar to a karate stance that i'm comfortable with from my time with that. i always felt that the traditional stances were too rigid and the head was too upright, and never used them sparring. it made a lot of people fun targets though.

[achillesthegreat]

Eddie Bravo said this. I think it was an interview with fighthype.

On Joe Rogan's skills...

"Joe Rogan is a bad motherf^@ker and I’m not just saying that. He’s one of my best students. He is a brown belt and he is just a nightmare in the gym."

"He’s swole and very athletic and very flexible. He did Taekwondo his whole life, Kickboxing and Muay Thai and he hits really hard."

"He hits harder than anybody I’ve ever held mitts for. If he wanted to do MMA, Joe Rogan could go straight to 170 and f^@k up a lot of dudes. He can for sure."

[TKDfighterJoe]

From my limited experience of TKD. I would say that they have great power in their kicks, but its not 100% a good idea to attempt to kick with your instep if your actually fighting somebody in mma for example you are more likley to hurt yourself than if your trying to kick with your shin. Particularly if your throwing a leg kick.I'm glad you acknowledge the power, many people think we are 'slapping' with the kicks because they are so fast.

Truth be told the instep is the end of the whip, which is moving the fastest, and therefore will do the most damage. The pre-step (Idk the technical term) that muay thai fighters often do I feel is to compensate for the distance lost by the part of the body they are striking with (and by managing the distance, they can add power to what it would have been had they not moved in). While Taekwondo fighters might do this on a situational basis, it is considered bad practice, an indicator.

It will increase the time from the initial movement, to striking the target. Giving the opponent a larger reaction time window.

A classic example of this is poor ol' Nicolidus. Fighting in the final match in his own country against a korean fighter in athens 2004.

Watch his lead leg before he throws (blue). Had it not been for that, the counter would not have landed.

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Striking with this shin muay thai fighters aim at more targets which are larger. The hip, shin, knee, because accuracy suffers. Coming from someone who has sparred with many elite taekwondo people, the accuracy (mid-kick accuracy) that people develop is astounding. Arms and legs flying all over the place and they still manage to land a shop where they intended.

And if someone is contemplating 'blocking' the kick, they have already lost. For the same reason taekwondo fighters don't usually block eacothers kicks. It is that you cannot find a happy medium between head & body block when someone is kicking as fast, deceptively, and in as many combinations as elite taekwondo fighters do.


It suffers from similar limitations as Kyokushin Karate with the stance, in that protecting yourself from head punches is not high up on the agenda. Mabye TKDfighterJoe could tell me about this, how much leg kicking do you do? Obviously none for compitions but for say self defence.As far as face punching goes, we develop a powerful straight punch to the body as a counter. Once you are excellent at controlling footwork, timing and distance, raising the punch up 6 inches to the face is not very difficult. thats offence.

Defence is very complicated, I may have typed it out before, I'm not very sure. The question lies here, would greater boxing skill have been displayed in the pac-cotto fight if they were allowed to kick eachother in the balls?

no leg kicking in shi-hap (olympic sparring) kyorugi. However, a person adept at striking the far away targets of the solar plexus/head will have little problem kicking the knee if he wanted to. I might throw a kick to the back of the knee if the opportunity arose. But I'm not a big fan of kicking the opponents shin.

Think about it, fighters can throw triple rondhouses alternating between the head, body, and finish it off with a hook-kick. It wont be too difficult to hit a different spot. That is like thinking floyd mayweather would not be very adept at punching someone in the balls.

Eddie Bravo said this. I think it was an interview with fighthype.

On Joe Rogan's skills...

"Joe Rogan is a bad motherf^@ker and I’m not just saying that. He’s one of my best students. He is a brown belt and he is just a nightmare in the gym."

"He’s swole and very athletic and very flexible. He did Taekwondo his whole life, Kickboxing and Muay Thai and he hits really hard."

"He hits harder than anybody I’ve ever held mitts for. If he wanted to do MMA, Joe Rogan could go straight to 170 and f^@k up a lot of dudes. He can for sure."he did not do taekwondo his whole life. He didn't even do olympic-style taekwondo.

If he thinks joe rogan hits hard he should go hold a shield for our national team.

but in all fairness, anyone is going to suck up to joe to try to validify him in his position which he is far underqualified for.

instep vs shin is really a horses for courses type thing. instep is fine if you're not risking hitting it on a hard bone. if i was aiming for the liver id be fine using the instep/lower shin. with leg kicks i'd have to agree that the instep would be a good way to get your foot broken. one checked kick and i could see the kicker limping away in pain. instep offers speed though, and as they say..speed kills. the people i know who are proficient with tkd can really light it up with their feet and are real mofos at range. the problem with tkd is once you get inside of kicking range a lot of their options get taken away.Inside fighting is probably the hardest part. There are techniques which I see effective on a regular basis, but they are rather advaned and hard to pull off.

IMO the footwork of taekwondo is truly perfection itself, and any non-taekwondo person who tries to move around with them will find themselves too-far or too-close at all the wrong times. This is why cage/ring fighting is a disatvantage for the taekwondo fighter. The olympic ring is 10mx10m for a reason.