Barrera knocked out in sparring?

[rvk2007]

Barrera knocked out?

By Marc Anthony Reyes
Inquirer
Last updated 10:49pm (Mla time) 09/22/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- IF REPORTS ARE ACCURATE ENOUGH, Manny Pacquiao should have no problem finishing off Marco Antonio Barrera in Las Vegas two weeks from now.

The latest buzz out of the Mexican’s camp could be ominous: Barrera was knocked out by a sparmate in Guadalajara, Mexico.

That was the report passed around during yesterday’s send-off breakfast for Pacquiao at Gourdo’s in The Fort.

He refused to comment about it, going his usual route and declaring that he will be 100 percent fully charged for his super featherweight rematch against the “Baby-Faced Assassin” on Oct. 7 at the Mandalay Bay.

“Hindi natin alam kung ano ang mangyayari sa fight, pero sigurado akong gagawin ko ang lahat (I can’t say what will happen in the fight except that I’ll give it my best shot),” Pacquiao quipped flashing a smile that matched the shine of his gold Rolex wristwatch and diamond-stud earring.

At one point of the press conference, his imported sparring partners, Mexicans Sugar Ray Beltran and David Rodela, vouched for Pacquiao’s preparedness, citing how the Filipino boxing icon’s punches were like swings from a baseball bat.

“We still have 26 hellish rounds with him,” said one of the sparmates who worked out with Pacquiao after the presscon at the Wild Card gym in Parañaque.

They were to join him and trainer Freddie Roach late last night on a flight to the United States for the homestretch of his training.

“He’s my favorite fighter of all time,” said Roach, who also denied previous weeks’ reports that he sent out spies at Barrera’s camp.

“I don’t have any spy. We don’t need any spy,” added the trainer.

Pacquiao knocked out Barrera in the 11th-round during their first date in November of 2003, a result that practically put the Filipino in the radar of megabuck fights.



Whether it's true or not,we probably will never know but if Valero is sparring there now and it did happen,it was Valero. One thing I know about that guy,he has a huge ego. He loves to fight. Even in sparring.

[Betty Swollocks]

how the hell's that even possible? :patsch What happened, Marco got knocked down by a sparring partner and Joe Cortez came running into the ring and counted him out?:lol:

:lol:

or maybe he got smashed up and sparked out cold, as it gonna happen in the Pac rematch.

[YOUNG*LORD]

I think the Pacquiao camp is getting desperate. How the fuck would they know that. Maybe Barerras camp planted the story themselves to lure Pacquiai into a sense of false confidence.you may be right

[PH|LLA]

So when Freddy Roach said "He's my favorite fighter of all time" was he referring to Pacquiao or Barrera. I mean i know it must be pacquiao but thats a weird thing to say about the fighter you're training :think

btw its obviously bullshit that MAB got KO'ed in sparring and Pacquiao's camp knows this and they are ignoring the rumour, as they should.

[PolishPummler]

It just not plausible. If Barerra was knocked down in sparring, then the Pac camp would be the last ones to hear it, not the first.

Great point:thumbsup

[Illmatic]

mustve been valero

[rendog67]

I think the Pacquiao camp is getting desperate. How the fuck would they know that. Maybe Barerras camp planted the story themselves to lure Pacquiai into a sense of false confidence.

this is the only way this story would be true

[Spartan_Boxer]

I think it's a bit Psychological warfare going here!!!

[hmi]

I think it's probably true. Valero is a strong boxer. He can kd Barrera with his punch.

[theunderdog]

it's just another dumb ass filipino writer who knows nothing about the sport and who heard this story for someone at some point in time. any writer who starts with "if the reports are accurate enought" should not be believed.

man, how the hell could he be knocked out? it is very possible to be dropped during sparring but if a person there counted one to ten before helping mab to his feet in just impossible. i reckon that the writer does not know much about boxing as there is a strong possibility that he does not know the difference of a KD from a KO.

take everything being published about pac in filipino newspapers with a grain of salt. remember that pac hinself sued a writer for libel and that the story that pac was backing out from the fight against mab started from their ranks.

[hmi]

Dont be a noob. Of course it isnt true. How can you consider the story slightly credible. A writer in the Philipines somehow heard MAB was KOed in sparring so he went to Pacmans camp so he could get their statements on it? That has so many holes in it its ridiculous. I think the whole story is bullshit
You mean Valero kd'ing Barrera is not possible? C'mon don't be a noob. ;)

[boxbox]

hmmn interesting...not buying it tho, i'm sure such incidents occur in these training camps but i think this is another ingredient to spice up the fight.

[mad_takamura]

It just not plausible. If Barerra was knocked down in sparring, then the Pac camp would be the last ones to hear it, not the first.
you read the script right? it buzzed out of barrera's camp! how the hell will it come from pac's camp then?!! :huh

[theunderdog]

You mean Valero kd'ing Barrera is not possible? C'mon don't be a noob. ;)

valero knocking down mab is a possibility but nobody said anything about a kd nood. the article clearly stated a ko. read the article and thread title before you post. it helps, really

[theunderdog]

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you read the script right? it buzzed out of barrera's camp! how the hell will it come from pac's camp then?!! :huh

a filipino writer said it CLAIMED it came from the barrera camp. claimed is the key word here. he didn't even know who it was from.


you people will believe anything. amazing.

[mad_takamura]

it's just another dumb ass filipino writer who knows nothing about the sport and who heard this story for someone at some point in time. any writer who starts with "if the reports are accurate enought" should not be believed.

man, how the hell could he be knocked out? it is very possible to be dropped during sparring but if a person there counted one to ten before helping mab to his feet in just impossible. i reckon that the writer does not know much about boxing as there is a strong possibility that he does not know the difference of a KD from a KO.

take everything being published about pac in filipino newspapers with a grain of salt. remember that pac hinself sued a writer for libel and that the story that pac was backing out from the fight against mab started from their ranks. theunderdog, i think the writer means mab was totally ko: meaning did not get up in a span of sec.s or minute. that's past 10 if you count it metaphysically.
don't discriminate the writer, i'm sure he definitely knows what he's talking about on what's the difference of being ko or kd in a sparring session to a real bout. they are trained to be responsible to what they write about, right? and considering phil. inquirer, it is one, if not, the most respected newspaper institution, it's not even a tabloid, in our country. surely they follow a certain creed in responsible writing or else it would ruin their reputation.

[mad_takamura]

anyways it's just a rumour nobody knows the truth..:-(

[theunderdog]

i looked the writer up and i searched through around 70 of his articles. 2 were about boxing. 1 was about mab being ko'd the otehr one was about the government funding a boxing gym. i gues he is a toatlly learned boxing writer

[mad_takamura]

i looked the writer up and i searched through around 70 of his articles. 2 were about boxing. 1 was about mab being ko'd the otehr one was about the government funding a boxing gym. i gues he is a toatlly learned boxing writer yeah, right.:nut

[hmi]

I think the writer is a casual boxing fan (if ever he is a boxing fan). So for him, ko and kd are the same. Anyone who is not into boxing will interchange ko and kd. So I think what happened is a kd. Whether this is true or not, we don't know. But I do know that there is a possibility that Valero kd'ed Barrera in one of their sparrings. Again I said, it's POSSIBLE.

[mad_takamura]

i bet you did not even read all of his articles! if you say that he only has 2 articles or a few articles, that doe'snt discredit him in the knowledge of boxing. kd and ko is just basic shit, even elementary studs knows about it: so are you claiming that a college grad. who works for an institutionalized newspaper does'nt know about that?! c'mon man give it a break..:roll:

[theunderdog]

I think the writer is a casual boxing fan (if ever he is a boxing fan). So for him, ko and kd are the same. Anyone who is not into boxing will interchange ko and kd. So I think what happened is a kd. Whether this is true or not, we don't know. But I do know that there is a possibility that Valero kd'ed Barrera in one of their sparrings. Again I said, it's POSSIBLE.


tell that to mad.

[theunderdog]

i bet you did not even read all of his articles! if you say that he only has 2 articles or a few articles, that doe'snt discredit him in the knowledge of boxing. kd and ko is just basic shit, even elementary studs knows about it: so are you claiming that a college grad. who works for an institutionalized newspaper does'nt know about that?! c'mon man give it a break..:roll:

ofcourse i didn't read all his atricles numbnuts. i already told you i looked up around 70 of them, how the fuck could i read 70 articles in ten minutes? i looked at their titles and a grade schooler would know that the article title will be the main topic of what's inside. i didn't have to read all his articles to see how many articles he's already written about boxing

[mad_takamura]

I think its a seed planted by MABs camp. Make Pacquiao go for the KO and me more agressive, giving Barerra the boxing edge and leaving Pac open to counter punching. Plus not to mention lulling Pacquiao into a false sense of security that's the style of pac before but now he is changed and he is smarter to know that. if that was the truth: then the pac camp would also doubt it since it's only a rumor. he often says in his interviews that before he was like that: aggressive but now he opts more not to, as it will end up in demise. he often says:" kailangan hindi manggigil" or not to be too much agressive.
did roach always say that they are not taking mab that easily coming to this fight?
so if indeed it was seed planted, i don't think the pac camp would bite.

[mad_takamura]

ofcourse i didn't read all his atricles numbnuts. i already told you i looked up around 70 of them, how the fuck could i read 70 articles in ten minutes? i looked at their titles and a grade schooler would know that the article title will be the main topic of what's inside. i didn't have to read all his articles to see how many articles he's already written about boxing good. so you can't be reliable on what you say.

[mad_takamura]

I have seen college grads walk into doors marked pull. Most people dont know shit about boxing anyway, and just because he is a college graduate doesnt mean he is boxing literate. Plus two articles does disscredit him, since he is obviously not an experienced boxing writer if that is all he has written. Plus he is from the Philipines and something may have been lost in translation anyways considering the breaking news supposedly came from MABs camo in Mexico City he have to, he works for a big newspaper here which is an institution so what do you expect? do you think just by being a simple college graduate will get you hired as a sports analyst in inquirer? you have to know what you say.

[boxbox]

a journalists' work history is important if you consider his credibility. Nonetheless, you don't have to be a boxing expert to report an incident related to boxing. But to actually give your opinion is a different thing.

[mad_takamura]

I think the writer is a casual boxing fan (if ever he is a boxing fan). So for him, ko and kd are the same. Anyone who is not into boxing will interchange ko and kd. So I think what happened is a kd. Whether this is true or not, we don't know. But I do know that there is a possibility that Valero kd'ed Barrera in one of their sparrings. Again I said, it's POSSIBLE. that can happen only to tabloids sports writers. not on inquirer man, it's already an institution. kung pinoy ka alam mo un pre di ba?
however this is only a rumor like i said. who can say which is true anyways. i'm not saying it's true, i'm not saying it's false. it's just a rumor: plain and simple.

[theunderdog]

he have to, he works for a big newspaper here which is an institution so what do you expect? do you think just by being a simple college graduate will get you hired as a sports analyst in inquirer? you have to know what you say.

working for a good company does not make a writer a good writer. you know that soometimes, people get their jobs because they know people.


i never said that he shouldn't write boxing articles. check out all the newspapers in the world, their boxing news normally suck dick. it's a fact. not all people comprehend the sweet science. i still think that the writer didn't know what a ko and a kd was. if he had any semblence of being o boxing writer, he should have discussed the supposed ko deeply, which he didn't. he mentioned that mab was ko'd then he proceeded to what other people think. for pete's sake, he didn't even know who knocked mab out. how could you believe that shit?

and lastly, if there was a grain of truth in that article, don't you think it would have been reported by boxing websites? think people!

[enzo]

Roach dismissed rumors that WBA champion Edwin Valero reportedly knocked Barrera out in sparring. He said "it’s a press thing trying to get us to take him lightly. I bet they never even boxed.” Roach said he knew Barrera very well and he spars with young guys saying that “as a veteran he doesn’t need to work. He just uses sparring to keep his eyes sharp.”

[mad_takamura]

See, I disagree with you there, I think Pac is a pretty stupid guy, a great fighter, but of low intelligence in everything else. I like Pacquiao, but he just does not strike me as an intelligent fellow outside of the ring. Roach may be taking the fight seriously, but that doesnt mean Pacquiao is. Pacquiao beat Barerra the first time, and that was before his style ha really evolved into what it is now. I think Pacquio will take the information the wrong way and be more lax in following a fight plan. Perhaps he believes if he beat Barerra the first time on agression then that is all he needs this time

I know I am assuming alot, but you must admit it is not impossible that the above situation could occurr. I can easily see Manny fighting recklessly the first few rounds and get hit with right hands and counters, and then Roach telling him off for not fighting smarter and that he needs to stick to boxing and stop losing his head and being agressive ineffectively
i disagree with that statement. with years of experience that manny has, he knows things that not even us hardcore or casual fans know. what are we to tell that he is stupid? have we know his sgtrategies during the fight? his trainings? even a 1 -dimensional fighter would have strategies too anyways.
he succumbed many times because of his agressiveness and i think he learned from that. that's why he knows: what most of his trainers in the past and almost all trainers in the whole world know: that being aggressive can also be your doom. i think he was reminded of that before. so he knows about it and in the fight we shall see if he remembers what he knows.
the situation you said is quite possible, i admit, but if it is: surely there will sprout doubts and i believe and can even bet on it: that even manny himself, have doubted that mab was kd or ko in sparring.

[boxbox]

See, I disagree with you there, I think Pac is a pretty stupid guy, a great fighter, but of low intelligence in everything else. I like Pacquiao, but he just does not strike me as an intelligent fellow outside of the ring. Roach may be taking the fight seriously, but that doesnt mean Pacquiao is. Pacquiao beat Barerra the first time, and that was before his style ha really evolved into what it is now. I think Pacquio will take the information the wrong way and be more lax in following a fight plan. Perhaps he believes if he beat Barerra the first time on agression then that is all he needs this time

I know I am assuming alot, but you must admit it is not impossible that the above situation could occurr. I can easily see Manny fighting recklessly the first few rounds and get hit with right hands and counters, and then Roach telling him off for not fighting smarter and that he needs to stick to boxing and stop losing his head and being agressive ineffectively


Pac may not be as intelligent as you think, he barely finished gradeschool! But that is academically..he still managed to get rich right? he must have made good decisions then. During interviews, Pac always says that he doesnt like looking past his upcoming opponents. I dont think he's taking MAB for granted, even admitted that MAB is the hardest puncher he ever fought. That's why he went the extra mile preparing for this.

[mad_takamura]

working for a good company does not make a writer a good writer. you know that soometimes, people get their jobs because they know people.


i never said that he shouldn't write boxing articles. check out all the newspapers in the world, their boxing news normally suck dick. it's a fact. not all people comprehend the sweet science. i still think that the writer didn't know what a ko and a kd was. if he had any semblence of being o boxing writer, he should have discussed the supposed ko deeply, which he didn't. he mentioned that mab was ko'd then he proceeded to what other people think. for pete's sake, he didn't even know who knocked mab out. how could you believe that shit?

and lastly, if there was a grain of truth in that article, don't you think it would have been reported by boxing websites? think people! i don't give a shit if i believe it or not, it's just a rumor anyways but it's a possibility like hmi said.

[mad_takamura]

Roach dismissed rumors that WBA champion Edwin Valero reportedly knocked Barrera out in sparring. He said "it’s a press thing trying to get us to take him lightly. I bet they never even boxed.” Roach said he knew Barrera very well and he spars with young guys saying that “as a veteran he doesn’t need to work. He just uses sparring to keep his eyes sharp.” see i told you it easily casts doubts on pac's camp.

[mad_takamura]

See, I disagree with you there, I think Pac is a pretty stupid guy, a great fighter, but of low intelligence in everything else. I like Pacquiao, but he just does not strike me as an intelligent fellow outside of the ring. Roach may be taking the fight seriously, but that doesnt mean Pacquiao is. Pacquiao beat Barerra the first time, and that was before his style ha really evolved into what it is now. I think Pacquio will take the information the wrong way and be more lax in following a fight plan. Perhaps he believes if he beat Barerra the first time on agression then that is all he needs this time

I know I am assuming alot, but you must admit it is not impossible that the above situation could occurr. I can easily see Manny fighting recklessly the first few rounds and get hit with right hands and counters, and then Roach telling him off for not fighting smarter and that he needs to stick to boxing and stop losing his head and being agressive ineffectively
look mexican jew: look at the other thread here who says pac is not prepared something like that and you will see pac's photos coming in to this fight. he really prepared for this so that's a testament that pac is no way taking mab lightly.

[Marnoff]

Strange things going on with this fight.

[Rise Above]

I'm always skeptical of these kind of things coming out so close to a fight. I doubt it happened. As someone else said maybe they are trying to lure Pac into a false sense of security.

[koko of phil]

how the hell's that even possible? :patsch What happened, Marco got knocked down by a sparring partner and Joe Cortez came running into the ring and counted him out?:lol:

No it's Laurence Cole calling it a slip instead. :lol:

[knockout]

:verysad i guess Barrera's camp is gettin desperate to use such a tactic.

[Rumsfeld]

Maybe Barerras camp planted the story themselves to lure Pacquiai into a sense of false confidence.

That was the first thought that entered my head.

[The taff]

if he's getting knocked down by that bum valero then he's fucked come october 6th:-(

Why is Valero a bum?? :huh

[koko of phil]

Why is Valero a bum?? :huh

Yeah, Valero should be given all praise for that. :yep

[Imperial1]

Who works for team Pacquio to get info like this ??Batman ?

I think its far fetched but God forbid if this is true ..:bbb:deal

[BewareofDawg]

A. Why does Barrera's camp feel like Pacman can become any more confident then he already is??? He destroyed Barrera last time. Barrera has visibly declined since and looked nowhere near menacing against Juarez or Marquez. Pac has improved since.

B. Pac is the type of fighter that only BENEFITS from confidence. He is a "balls out" come forward, fast and strong as hell machine. Confidence fuels him...not hurts him.



Barrera is in serious trouble in this fight and might not make it past 4.

[bigeddie27]

I think the Pacquiao camp is getting desperate. How the fuck would they know that. Maybe Barerras camp planted the story themselves to lure Pacquiai into a sense of false confidence.


i think that could be exactly it.

[BewareofDawg]

i think that could be exactly it.
Why would the Pac camp be desperate? :patsch

[BewareofDawg]

Also, while it may seem like something to you guys that would make Pac over-confident....Pac does this for a living, and as do all other pro boxers, he knows that "sparring" is "sparring" and thats all. Someone getting beat up in sparring doesn't mean shit. They do this day in and day out, and sometimes you just have a bad day at work or in this case the gym. The only difference is, in the gym if you have a bad day you take a clean shot on the button and might get hurt a bit.

[mad_takamura]

let's just put it this way: if it is true< it is possible because valero is a k.o. puncher. though everyone he ko was a tricycke driver. except mosquera
if it is false: it's only a psy-war made up by mab to lure pac to over-confidence.
on the latter i doubt that pac would ever get lured, considering the fact that he already learned from his mistakes( although you can say he did he toy around a bit in dealing with solis, but solis is, for me: a class-b fighter)