Booth: Arreola doesn't deserve title fight [Archive]

sidthehat

11-19-2009, 06:29 PM

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Said on Bunce's radio show because he was in "such disgusting shape for Klitschko fight" he didnt deserve a title shot against Haye. Usually this was fair comment about Cris but don't you think this is harsh for this fight? Don't reckon he was in much worse shape here than Valuev was against Haye. He's never going to be athletic.

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GazOC

11-19-2009, 06:32 PM

Yep, too harsh. In todays HW division he can't be getting too fussy on his selection criteria for Hayes title defences.

safc1990

11-19-2009, 06:33 PM

Shame, the build-up to the fight would be good as they don't seem to like each other at all and Haye would probably get rid of him early on.

Beeston Brawler

11-19-2009, 06:36 PM

Vitali doesn't look great in that photo - only decent, which is poor by his standards..... Arreola looks like a whale.

Sorry and all - but he had no right to cry after that beating he got. If he had given himself the best chance to win, given it his all and still been whupped (likely) then fair enough..... but to come in at least 20-25lbs over a reasonable fighting weight and still cry :-(

kosaros

11-19-2009, 06:38 PM

You can't rule out fighters based on how they look :lol:

threethirteen

11-19-2009, 06:39 PM

Arreola won't even turn up in proper shape, with a proper gameplan for a title fight - he deserves no sympathy.

Arreola bleated that haye didn't deserve a title shot over him, but Haye was unified CW champ - more than Arreola will ever achieve.

Dan684

11-19-2009, 06:40 PM

Yeah right coz Calzaghe looked ripped to bits in his fights didn't he ?

Shut up Booth and concentrate on getting Hayemaker logos on the sole of Davids boots for his Wlad fight :good

Primadonna Kool

11-19-2009, 06:42 PM

Yeah right coz Calzaghe looked ripped to bits in his fights didn't he ?

Shut up Booth and concentrate on getting Hayemaker logos on the sole of Davids boots for his Wlad fight :good

Calzaghe was always..always ripped up...!!!! but yeh i see what your sayin man..!

Just never had the......muscular development like some of the other fighters, like Lacey or Roy Jones.

Dan684

11-19-2009, 06:45 PM

No i'm not but he hardly 'looked' great did he ? He was always in great shape but not looking great same as Arreola :good

Haye should be concentrating on hius chin instead of worrying about how Arreola looks. I gaurantee he wouldn't be able to take what Chris did

kosaros

11-19-2009, 06:45 PM

Yeah right coz Calzaghe looked ripped to bits in his fights didn't he ?

Shut up Booth and concentrate on getting Hayemaker logos on the sole of Davids boots for his Wlad fight :good

Did you just use Calzaghe as a comparison to Arreola? :lol::nut

JonOli

11-19-2009, 07:05 PM

Haye's camps mouths are getting too big in my eyes.

How is fighting a done Monty Barrett somehow anyway superior to Arreola or even an Enzo Mac. I'd back fat whale of an Arreola over a nicely toned Enzo Mac. This isn't a body building contest.

HeavyT

11-19-2009, 07:07 PM

I genuinely think it is pretty bad. If you want to be a world HW champ, at least fucking look like one.

JonOli

11-19-2009, 07:11 PM

I agree in a way, but I'd rather a HW champ fought like one.

TheUzi

11-19-2009, 07:18 PM

Arreola is all heart,a real fighter.....I think he'd probably knock Haye out.

HeavyT

11-19-2009, 07:28 PM

I agree in a way, but I'd rather a HW champ fought like one.

If your referring to Haye, if yu ask me he was doing what had to be done. Possibly would have gotten sparked otherwise, and I hope he wouldn't deploy same tactic on a Klit.

Bodysnatcher

11-19-2009, 07:28 PM

That's a bullshit quote from Booth. Total bullshit. Arreola vs Haye would be a great fight, and good for Haye's career - De La Hoya thinks so, so I don't think Booth should be pissing off his own fighter's American promoter.

safc1990

11-19-2009, 07:30 PM

That's a bullshit quote from Booth. Total bullshit. Arreola vs Haye would be a great fight, and good for haye's career - De La Hoya thinks so, so I don't think Booth should be pissing off his own fighter's American promoter.

I think Haye did a fairly good job of that himself when he signed the contract for the Valuev fight without consulting Golden Boy.

pathmanc1986

11-19-2009, 07:59 PM

if arreola really really wanted to get in way better shape he could if he truly dedicated himself to the sport full time diet and all cos hes a real fighter and a better trainer than hes got i think he would take haye

TheUzi

11-19-2009, 08:12 PM

Thing is,he throws a hell of a lot of leather and doesn't seem to have stamina issues...

He's probably fitter than Haye actually.

mcguirpa

11-20-2009, 04:48 AM

And so it begins.

Haye's got his title, all he needs to do now is shut his trap and start fighting all these 'bums' he said he was going to KO.

I've always been a big Haye fan. Always looked forward to him becoming HW champ. But it's all starting to feel a bit hollow right now.

robpalmer135

11-20-2009, 07:03 AM

I fully agree with booth

TheUzi

11-20-2009, 07:09 AM

I fully agree with booth

Why tho Rob??
Who has better stamina....Arreola or Haye??

He maybe shouldn't get a shot because he has just been beat but to deny him a shot because of his shape is just absurd.

mrbassie

11-20-2009, 07:15 AM

I agree with him, Arreola did nothing to warrant a fight with Klitschko and he shouldn't automatically get another shot at a belt just because people know his name. The McCline win looks good on paper but McCline was in terrible condition, that fight was like seeing two bottles of very sour milk clinking together.
There are some who'd say Haye didn't deserve a title shot either of course and they have at least an arguable point but at least he had his cruiserweight pedigree.

ero-sennin

11-20-2009, 07:39 AM

I'd rather see Arreola/Haye than fights against Ruiz and a rematch with Valuev. The Ruiz fight is a mandatory but then a fuckin rematch against Valuev? Jeez, c'mon now. I hope it doesn't happen but it probably will if what we're hearing about the contract is correct.

Booth's comment is fucked up, what an idiot. The obsession Booth and Haye have about other boxers appearance is strange.

David should fight James Toney. The build up would be great.

GrovesVDegale

11-20-2009, 07:41 AM

Guys, have you actually listened to the interview??

Booth said "Arreola, you can see he's a tough guy, he's got a big heart but the condition he turned up in was a disgrace. He has to prove his worth and get in there and win some fights and show he can turn up in shape to do what he's got to do before we can consider it. But yes, Chris Arreola is a name."

He's not ruled him out and it's fair comment really.

kieron

11-20-2009, 07:58 AM

It's a fair comment. Arreola is a professional athlete and his appearance is evidence that he is not as prepared as he should be for a fight. Simple as that. If he was obliterating the top contenders looking like shit then fine but he hasn't been and he was just on the receiving end of a prolonged beat down which could have been closer if he ate, trained and prepared a gameplan properly, but he didn't and so doesn't deserve another shot yet. That said not many other fighters do tbh! A few fights down the line and hopefully if he can demonstrate his commitment to the game by turning up in shape and beating some names then yeah it would be a good fight vs Haye

ShaneTheSherrif

11-20-2009, 08:20 AM

Doesnt Arreola normally look worse than he did in his last fight? Id like to see Haye take him on, would be good fight and build-up.

Mazallan

11-20-2009, 10:18 AM

Arreola is a fat Mexican and little more. Haye stops him mid fight just for the fun of it.

Lee Mc

11-20-2009, 10:23 AM

Maybe Areola deserved a title shot, maybe he didn't.

On the other hand, does wins against Gary Delaney (It was at Heavyweight), Bonin and Barrett justify Haye's title shot?

ryanm8655

11-20-2009, 10:32 AM

Maybe Areola deserved a title shot, maybe he didn't.

On the other hand, does wins against Gary Delaney (It was at Heavyweight), Bonin and Barrett justify Haye's title shot?

Calzaghe got a shot at the lineal light-heavyweight title with no fights at the weight before, and there are plenty of examples of the same thing, Hatton-Collazo, Khan-Kotelnik (not a good example though as he'd done sod all at lightweight).

threethirteen

11-20-2009, 10:44 AM

On the other hand, does wins against Gary Delaney (It was at Heavyweight), Bonin and Barrett justify Haye's title shot?

No, but Haye as a proven unified champion at CW does give him more entitlement than Arreola. Haye's best win at HW is better than Arreola's too.

robpalmer135

11-20-2009, 11:00 AM

Why tho Rob??
Who has better stamina....Arreola or Haye??

He maybe shouldn't get a shot because he has just been beat but to deny him a shot because of his shape is just absurd.

Haye, without a doubt. 10 rounds against Vitali is the most amount of Rounds he has ever been.

Haye has been 12 rounds and his 9 and 8 round fights with Fragomeni and the Dannish geezer were fought a much higher pace than Arreolas fight with Vitali. Infact that fight was slow and boring.

The only place Arreola takes Haye is chin, and Arreolas is not fantastic.

I guarentee Arreolas body fat percentage was in the top 10 ever for a world title fight when he faced vitali.

robpalmer135

11-20-2009, 11:01 AM

No, but Haye as a proven unified champion at CW does give him more entitlement than Arreola. Haye's best win at HW is better than Arreola's too.

So did Pacquiao deserve a shot at Cotto, did Mayweather deserve a shot at Baldomir, did Taylor deserve his place in the super 6???

robpalmer135

11-20-2009, 11:05 AM

its quite clear Booth said if he wins a couple of fights agaisnt decent opponents Haye would fight him.
so thats what arreola needs to go. lets see him in with Chagaev, win over him would get him in the WBA mandatory spot.

does anyone thing Arreola would have beat Valuev???

Bodysnatcher

11-20-2009, 12:07 PM

I'd much rather see Haye vs Arreola than Haye vs Ruiz or Haye vs Valuev 2.

Haye vs Arreola or Adamek would generate real excitement. The prospect of an entertaining HW fight between smaller, mobile heavies with name recognition would be fantastic.

It's a real shame Haye has these mandatory/re-match obligations hanging over him like a bad smell.

threethirteen

11-20-2009, 12:24 PM

So did Pacquiao deserve a shot at Cotto, did Mayweather deserve a shot at Baldomir, did Taylor deserve his place in the super 6???

What point are you making? You seem to agree with my point, but sound like you disagree.

Pacquaio held the lineal title at LWW, Mayweather was an established titlist and had beaten a series of contenders at WW, including the former champ in Judah, and Taylor had fought for a world title at SMW, losing by KO in a fight he was clearly winning till that point. Proven, established world class fighters should be able to challenge for titles in other divisions. They shouldn't have to start again from scratch.

Arreola had beaten Travis Walker and Jameel McCline, neither of whom was a world-beater by any description. He was lucky to get his shot at Vitali and he blew it. Until he shows himself capable of turning up in shape and actually prepared for a fight, he doesn't deserve another shot.

it's not like he was even competitive with Vitali.

'Ben'

11-20-2009, 01:14 PM

doug.ie

11-20-2009, 01:23 PM

It's true. Fat heavyweights are an insult to the sport and all it's rich history. Guys like Butterbean are one off's and can be excused but Arreola, Johnson and Chambers have been fighting or will be fighting for real titles for fuck sake!

sorry ben...thats wrong mate...there's been decent heavyweights with weight on them all down the years...
if you made arreola lose weight he would be nowhere near as effective.