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mattdonnellon

11-20-2009, 06:35 AM

One of many reports in the French media re the Jack Johnson-Jim Johnson fight.
Le Figaro Decembre 19, 1913.
"Le celebre et magnifique boxeur negre Jack Johnson, que lit a Paris d'assez nombreux et longs sejours paraitra se soir pour la premiere fois sur la ring, rancais. Cette apparation a sensation aura lieu au Premierland. Jack Johnson s'y rencontrera en un combat en dix reprises de trois minutes contre le negre Jim Johnson"
BTw I have not seen it advertised as a World title fight.

Woller

11-20-2009, 11:28 AM

Yes - I have never heard othervise ?!

Woller

guilalah

11-20-2009, 02:46 PM

woller post #2
Yes - I have never heard othervise ?!

Apparently over time there has developed a tradition the fight was stopped early.

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Dec 19 Jack Johnson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Paris, Fr D 10
-Heavyweight Championship of the World;
This bout was scheduled for 20 rounds but
terminated after 10 rounds due to arm injury
to the Champion

janitor

11-20-2009, 03:51 PM

I can see how some people got the wrong end of the stick but I am content that it was a ten rounder.

mcvey

11-20-2009, 04:03 PM

I can see how some people got the wrong end of the stick but I am content that it was a ten rounder.

Me too ,my French is rusty but that is pretty clear about it.

TBooze

11-20-2009, 05:26 PM

BTw I have not seen it advertised as a World title fight.

Does not need to be, as it was not an exhibition; then by default as the World's Heavyweight Champion, Johnson has to be defending the championship, that is a unwritten rule.

Mendoza

11-20-2009, 11:28 PM

Apparently over time there has developed a tradition the fight was stopped early.

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Dec 19 Jack Johnson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Paris, Fr D 10
-Heavyweight Championship of the World;
This bout was scheduled for 20 rounds but
terminated after 10 rounds due to arm injury
to the Champion

And if it was a 20 round match, Jim Johnson should have been crowned the next champion via TKO win.

In fact the French wanted to strip Jack Johnson of his title for this fight.

Mendoza

11-20-2009, 11:36 PM

By the way, you can see Jim " battling " Johnson on film. I have a few minutes of him vs. Sam McVey, and from the looks of it Battling Jim is slightly the better.

mcvey

11-21-2009, 07:58 AM

And if it was a 20 round match, Jim Johnson should have been crowned the next champion via TKO win.

In fact the French wanted to strip Jack Johnson of his title for this fight.

But, it was not a 20 rounder.

If your Aunt had balls she would be your Uncle, etc.

Mendoza

11-21-2009, 08:03 AM

But, it was not a 20 rounder.

That is debatable. I have shown you two cases where they say it was 20 rounds. By chance did you read about this fight in Unforgivable Blackness?

mattdonnellon

11-24-2009, 07:09 AM

bump

Unforgiven

11-24-2009, 08:34 AM

By the way, you can see Jim " battling " Johnson on film. I have a few minutes of him vs. Sam McVey, and from the looks of it Battling Jim is slightly the better.

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I've seen this before, but I have my doubts over it being Battling Jim Johnson.
I think McVey is the one with the hair, and both fighters are under 6' IMO, with the bald one being slightly shorter.
Most sources put McVey at 5'10,
Jim Johnson is put at 6'3

So, which one of the two is McVey, and which one is 6'3 ?

mcvey

11-24-2009, 09:14 AM

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I've seen this before, but I have my doubts over it being Battling Jim Johnson.
I think McVey is the one with the hair, and both fighters are under 6' IMO, with the bald one being slightly shorter.
Most sources put McVey at 5'10,
Jim Johnson is put at 6'3

So, which one of the two is McVey, and which one is 6'3 ?

That is Mcvey,who was under 5'11'' .I very much doubt that is Jim Johnson who is listed as 6'3'' and 220-240lbs,the photo of Johnson on Cyber zone shows a huge man with a full head of hair.
Mcvey's opponent looks shorter than him here, it's possibly Jeff Clark ,who was 5' 8''/9'' and shaved his head,it could be in Paris ,or Panama.

klompton

11-24-2009, 10:16 AM

That is Jim Johnson. He was bald for much of his career.

Unforgiven

11-24-2009, 10:23 AM

That is Jim Johnson. He was bald for much of his career.

How tall was he ?

mcvey

11-24-2009, 03:11 PM

That is Jim Johnson. He was bald for much of his career.

I will take your word for it ,but he sure doesn't look any 6'3''

Woller

11-24-2009, 04:17 PM

Somewhere in this thread, we need more than "I have just told you so".

What have we got on Jim Johnson and this supposed 20 rounder?

Woller

mattdonnellon

11-24-2009, 08:14 PM

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I've seen this before, but I have my doubts over it being Battling Jim Johnson.
I think McVey is the one with the hair, and both fighters are under 6' IMO, with the bald one being slightly shorter.
Most sources put McVey at 5'10,
Jim Johnson is put at 6'3

So, which one of the two is McVey, and which one is 6'3 ?

Pretty sure this is the Neuhilly, France draw between Johnson(bald) and McVey.7/aug/1910. It matches contempory French photos of the fight. Obviously there is not 4 inches in height between the fighters.

Unforgiven

11-25-2009, 05:14 AM

Well, if McVey's the one with hair, then Jim Johnson is actually slightly shorter. And McVey's usually listed as 5'10, that makes Jim Johnson about 5'9.
There's about a six inch discrepancy between what Johnson appears to be, and what he's listed as.

Maybe there were two fighters using "Battling Jim Johnson" as a name. Even the three pictures on the cyberboxingzone site look like they might well be of two different men.

Mendoza

11-25-2009, 08:51 AM