Fights you'll never watch

[McGrain]

Like i'll never watch Marciano thrash Louis, and i'll never watch the fatal Parrett-Grifith fight. What others are there?

[Lacyace]

Ali-Holmes...Still haven't watched that to this day.

[McGrain]

Yeah, or Berbick.

[Mr Butt]

Ali-Holmes...Still haven't watched that to this day.


i am not an ali fan but i have no wish to see it either

[Unforgiven]

Wladimir Klitschko v Sultan Ibragimov. I watched the first round and a half, and that's it.

Paret-Griffith I haven't see

[IntentionalButt]

Like i'll never watch Marciano thrash Louis, and i'll never watch the fatal Parrett-Grifith fight. What others are there?

:shock: Haven't, or won't again?

[Addie]

Muhammad Ali vs Larry Holmes
Muhammad Ali vs Trevor Berbick
Mike Tyson vs Danny Williams
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Kosta Tyszu
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Oscar De La Hoya I & II
Roberto Duran vs William Joppy
Sugar Ray Leonard vs Hector Camacho

All for very obvious reasons.

[IntentionalButt]

I have no problem watching idols get thrashed. Case in point, the fight whose spirit is so well captured in Addie's signature there is the centerpiece of my DVD collection. My Tapia love far exceeds my Barrera love, and while he didn't quite get Naseemed he was most certainly thrashed and while vulnerably past his prime. Yet it's delicious stuff.

Sadistic streak? :conf

[Addie]

I have no problem watching idols get thrashed. Case in point, the fight whose spirit is so well captured in Addie's signature there is the centerpiece of my DVD collection. My Tapia love far exceeds my Barrera love, and while he didn't quite get Naseemed he was most certainly thrashed and while vulnerably past his prime. Yet it's delicious stuff.

Sadistic streak? :conf

Tapia was spirited in getting thoroughly outclassed by the bigger and fresher man though. Ali vs Holmes is entirely different kettle of fish, and I dare anyone to sit through it and actually enjoy what they are watching.

[McGrain]

:shock: Haven't, or won't again?

Haven't.

One i've only seen once was Eubank-Watson II. Huge Watson fan.

[MRBILL]

I don't puss out...... Even if my boy gets whipped.............. I still insist upon doing a review..............

But fights that I thought sucked that ticked me off were: "Leonard-Duran 3" and "DLH-Trinidad." Its hard to review that crap..........
:bbb

MR.BILL

[turpinr]

ali holmes
marciano louis
collins benn i & 2
hagler leonard

[Popkins]

I wish I had never seen Joe Calzaghe vs Roy Jones Jr, but despite vowing not to watch it, I caved at the last minute, and now wish I hadn't.

I wish I hadn't watched Haye v Valuev either, because all of the positive comments about Haye's excellent and intelligent boxing performance have really annoyed me. If I hadn't watched the fight, I would have been very pleased at hearing this news, as I do like David Haye. But having seen the fight, I'm highly pissed off at the misrepresentations going on.

The only fight I can think of that I have never seen and never want to see is Holmes-Ali. Oh, and Duran vs William Joppy.

[red cobra]

Larry Holmes-Tex Cobb...it's pointless...and it's most significant aspect is the retirement from boxing afterwards of Howard Cosell.

[The Kurgan]

Life's too short for Chris Byrd.

[Mantequilla]

Haven't.

One i've only seen once was Eubank-Watson II. Huge Watson fan.

Watched this one again recently.Watson's short right hand in it was a thing of beauty.

[IntentionalButt]

Tapia was spirited in getting thoroughly outclassed by the bigger and fresher man though. Ali vs Holmes is entirely different kettle of fish, and I dare anyone to sit through it and actually enjoy what they are watching.


Admittedly, I've only done it a few rounds at a time, never all in one sitting. Big fan of watching Holmes doing his thang thang period...though he didn't really do it that night. He showed far more mercy for his idol and friend than Marco did for his...but in a way MAB actually would have been disrespecting Johnny had he done the same (or fought a Juarez II type fight). Kicking his ass was the highest compliment he could pay.

[McGrain]

Watched this one again recently.Watson's short right hand in it was a thing of beauty.


Yeah. And he was so strong at that weight. Wish we could have seen more of him there. Any strong feelings on the scoring in the first fight?

[IntentionalButt]

Come to think of it, there's a heart in here after all.

Pacquiao-Morales III was tough. Would erase the memory of Erik's eye contact with the old man in the corner if possible.

Don't need or want to see Whitaker-Bojorquez.

Ditto Pryor-Young.

[McGrain]

Won't be watching Simpson-Docherty ever again, I actually missed the fatal round but I saw the first few.

[Mantequilla]

Eubank...2,4,5,7,8,9
Watson..3,6,10,11,12

round 1 even.

Scored it a few weeks ago actually.Been wataching a lot of Eubank fights recently.Tough fight to score, mostly dominated by very good defensive work from both fighters.It's a very good technical fight imo, some of Eubank's upper-body movement was as smooth as it gets.

Had Watson up by four points before the stoppage in the rematch.Adjusted brilliantly by upping the workrate, pressure and ad******g the right-hand to Eubank's defensive style.The uppercut taht turned it around was a real walcott vs Charles moment.

[mrbassie]

Ali-Holmes...Still haven't watched that to this day.

Yeah, or Berbick.

Nor I.

[McGrain]

Eubank...2,4,5,7,8,9
Watson..3,6,10,11,12

round 1 even.

Scored it a few weeks ago actually.Been wataching a lot of Eubank fights recently.Tough fight to score, mostly dominated by very good defensive work from both fighters.It's a very good technical fight imo, some of Eubank's upper-body movement was as smooth as it gets.

Had Watson up by four points before the stoppage in the rematch.Adjusted brilliantly by upping the workrate, pressure and ad******g the right-hand to Eubank's defensive style.The uppercut taht turned it around was a real walcott vs Charles moment.

Yeah, that punch was one in a million. If Micheal had got the nod the first time around, I don't think that would ever have happened.

The first fight, i've scored it three times, once a draw, and once for each man. I've given up on it.

[lefthook31]

Evander Holyfield James Toney

[Bing]

Ive never watched Trinindad Vs Hopkins. I got Titos career set and even tho i know it was a classy performance by B Hop could never bring myself to watch it even though i understand its not nearly the worst beating a fighter has ever took.

[Seamus]

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Hector Camacho


This fight makes me laugh my ass off.

[mr. magoo]

Most of these responses seem to be centered around tragic beatings where a young up and coming fighter pounded an aging icon, ie. Ali-Holmes, etc....

Here is a twist.. As a personal suggestion for a fight NEVER to watch, if sleeping pills won't knock you out for the night, Michael Nunn vs Marlon starling sure as hell will. Arguably one of the very worst fights I've ever had to suffer through from an action standpoint. I've seen pillow fights between college girls where more damage was inflicted.

[Mantequilla]

i didn't think it was all that bad.even Merchant enjoyed it.

[bodhi]

I saw AngloSaxon-Arran today. I will never ever watch it again.


Louis-Schmeling II, Armstrong-Ross, Joppy-Duran and the possible trashing Hopkins may get if he fights on too long are the fights I never watch. Don't like seeing my heroes gettin' trashed :bart

[Popkins]

I saw AngloSaxon-Arran today. I will never ever watch it again.


Louis-Schmeling II, Armstrong-Ross, Joppy-Duran and the possible trashing Hopkins may get if he fights on too long are the fights I never watch. Don't like seeing my heroes gettin' trashed :bart

AngloSaxon-Arran? What do you mean, did they have a big argument on a thread?

[Duodenum]

I never want to see Pryor in anything he did after Arguello II. Nor do I want to see Pryor-Arguello II again. (The image of Alexis punching the deck in defeat as he takes the final count might be disturbing to Pryor himself.)

Curry-Starling I. The Magic Man's non effort in that one made me want to tear my hair out. Ditto for Dwight Davison against Sibson. Also for Berbick's sleep walk against S.T. Gordon. Walking tank jobs drive me nuts. Bonehead Smith did this with both Bruno and Tyson. Yes, he knocked Bruno out in the final round, but he should have been disqualified by Harry Gibbs for not trying long before that happened.

SRL-Duran II is something I've only seen brief clips of. I've never seen SRL-Duran III, and I'm not sure I want to see Laing-Duran again. SRL-Hagler is another I'll take a pass on.

[McGrain]

I saw AngloSaxon-Arran today. I will never ever watch it again.


Louis-Schmeling II, Armstrong-Ross, Joppy-Duran and the possible trashing Hopkins may get if he fights on too long are the fights I never watch. Don't like seeing my heroes gettin' trashed :bart

AngloSaxon-Arran? What do you mean, did they have a big argument on a thread?

If I hear one more word about this shit in Classic...

[Henke67]

I've never watched;

Ali - Holmes & Berbick
Duran - Laing, Joppy & Leonard III
Chavez - Wise & Wiley

I have all these fights in my collection but I just can't bring myself to watch them and I doubt I ever will.

There are a few fights I've only watched once and definitely won't watch again (I won't include all the terribly boring fights I've seen - just the ones I won't watch again because they feature some of my favourite fighters in a way I'd rather not remember them);

Tito - Winky
Morales - Raheem & Pacquiao III
RJJ - Tarver I, II & III, Johnson & Calzaghe

[Dempsey1238]

I didnt cry when I saw Holmes thrash Ali. It was bad, but perhaps because I didnt come from around that era.

I though Louis put up a good accout for himself vs Marciano. It was not the worse beating Louis took, he took a far worse one in 1936.

[janitor]

I have never/will never watch and fight where a fighter was killed or maimed.

Curiosity has always compelled me to watch my favourite fighters worst losses but never twice.

[KO KIDD]

Billy Collins Jr vs Luis Resto

[ripcity]

Valuev/Holyfield.
Who knows mabey someday I will make myself watch it but I am not looking forward to watching that based on all acounts Holyfield won because he was slightly less bad than Valuev.

[Scorpion]

Ray Mancini and Duk Koo Kim.

[sugarsean]

ones that I have seen and have upset me

Randolp Turpin against Sugar Ray Robinson II and Bolo
Joe Frazier against Muhammad Ali III and George Foreman I & II
Evander Holyfield against Riddick Bowe III, Lennox Lewis I, John Ruiz and James Toney
Benny Lynch against Aurel Toma
Thomas Hearns against Iran Barkley I & II,
Mike Tyson against Kevin McBride, Danny Williams and Lennox Lewis
Muhammad Ali against Berbick and Holmes
Roberto Duran against William Joppy and Thomas Hearns
Roy Jones against Calzaghe
Marco Antonio Barrera against Amir Khan
Sugar Ray Robinson against Paul Pender 1 & 2
Jack Johnson against Jess Willard
Joe Louis against Rocky Marciano

I'm only 18 by the way so I did not see the majority of these live but even watching them on tape still upsets me.

[janitor]

I though Louis put up a good accout for himself vs Marciano. It was not the worse beating Louis took, he took a far worse one in 1936.

So true.

[McGrain]

My problem with the Marciano fight isn't so much that he gets beaten up; it's that he couldn't defend himself like he used to. And he shouldn't even have been in there. Where's the dignity in that? He is supposed to have even told his accountants to have paid the original tax bill...the whole thing just reeks.

[redrooster]

Muhammad Ali vs Larry Holmes
Muhammad Ali vs Trevor Berbick
Mike Tyson vs Danny Williams
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Kosta Tyszu
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Oscar De La Hoya I & II
Roberto Duran vs William Joppy
Sugar Ray Leonard vs Hector Camacho

All for very obvious reasons.


What's wrong with Camacho leonard? I watch it all the time. It is a testimony to Hector's killer instinct and Ray's fragility.

Also, DLH - Chavez is brilliant when you look at the last round DLH unleashing combos in a red blur, forcing a stoppage. Boxing at its best

[TBooze]

I never watched Owen/Pintor...

There always used to be an unwritten rule amongst broadcasters and fans that a fight that involves serious injury or death is never shown (again).

It is sad that another (classy) rule of classic boxing has gone the toilet...

[TIGEREDGE]

ive only watched ali v frazier 3 once. never watch it again. it was too brutal a fight and to think how close they were to death

frasiers forehead was like badly worn out boxing glove

[Flea Man]

One fight I watched which I never want to watch again is Eddie Machen vs Ingemar Johannson. Sickening, the referee was appaling.

[Dempsey1238]

Willard Johnson is one of my all time faves.

[Dempsey1238]

One fight I watched which I never want to watch again is Eddie Machen vs Ingemar Johannson. Sickening, the referee was appaling.

That was mostly the ref's fault, had he did the right thing and stop it, and not count Machen out which Machen's 2nds are attended to him, just made it even worse.

[TIGEREDGE]

what about johnny nelson and carlos de leon,. could put an insomniac to sleep

[Addie]

What's wrong with Camacho leonard? I watch it all the time. It is a testimony to Hector's killer instinct and Ray's fragility.

Also, DLH - Chavez is brilliant when you look at the last round DLH unleashing combos in a red blur, forcing a stoppage. Boxing at its best

...Fucking clown.

[natonic]

Ali - Holmes
Ali - Berbick
Frazier - Cummings

[Bummy Davis]

most of the heavyweight unconditioned fights on the 80's the lean-fests of Tubbs,Page,Berbick,Bey,Witherspoon....I Just saw the Ali/Holmes fight for the 1st time since I saw it live.....Ali/Berbick....Johnny Ruiz...Slow Sam Peter

[Jaws]

This is a fascinating thread.

I'm surprised at how many well educated people have admitted to only seeing some major fights once...or never at all (I think you have to watch a fight multiple times to really analyze it).

It truly goes to show how much we like to view our favorite fighters as successful, unbreakable warriors. And that seeing them KO'ed really is a "death" of sorts.

I will watch all fights multiple times (except a fight where a death was involved or something like that), but I do find some very hard to watch, in a way that is different from other sports losses. Very interesting to see that so many others have similar feelings.

[teeto]

The first time i watched Leonard-Duran 2 was this year, haven't watched it again.

[Addie]

This is a fascinating thread.

I'm surprised at how many well educated people have admitted to only seeing some major fights once...or never at all (I think you have to watch a fight multiple times to really analyze it).

It truly goes to show how much we like to view our favorite fighters as successful, unbreakable warriors. And that seeing them KO'ed really is a "death" of sorts.

I will watch all fights multiple times (except a fight where a death was involved or something like that), but I do find some very hard to watch, in a way that is different from other sports losses. Very interesting to see that so many others have similar feelings.

What the hell is there to analyze about Joppy beating up on a ancient Duran? Or a Holmes beating up Ali with parkinson disease? I don't watch those fights because they have zero relevance to anything. If I wanted to see Oscar at his best, I wouldn't watch him beating up an old past it former legend of the sport, I'd watch him overcome Ike Quartey or Fernando Vargas. If I wanted to appreciate the unreal skills and boxing ability of Camacho, an underrated commodity on ESB in my judgment, I'll take a lot at his performance against Bazooka Limon. None of the fights I listed should have even happened as far as I'm concerned. Whoever let Ali in the ring against Holmes...needs shooting.

[Addie]

The first time i watched Leonard-Duran 2 was this year, haven't watched it again.

Now that is really surprising to me.

[Bummy Davis]

The first time i watched Leonard-Duran 2 was this year, haven't watched it again.


Yea That was a freak fight....

[teeto]

Now that is really surprising to me.
Really? Why?! I know what happened, not like i need confirmation or that i'm going to watch it to make a case for Duran's credibility on the night (although he took one round clearly!). I just needed to sit and watch it start to finish in the end so it had to be done.

[Addie]

Really? Why?! I know what happened, not like i need confirmation or that i'm going to watch it to make a case for Duran's credibility on the night (although he took one round clearly!). I just needed to sit and watch it start to finish in the end so it had to be done.

It's a seminal 80's encounter, and you're a very knowledgeable Boxing fan.

[teeto]

It's a seminal 80's encounter, and you're a very knowledgeable Boxing fan.
Haha, well i've seen it now. I'd always seen the stoppage and the highlights, but i'm one of these people who need to see the full fight to have an opinion.

[Jaws]

What the hell is there to analyze about Joppy beating up on a ancient Duran? Or a Holmes beating up Ali with parkinson disease? I don't watch those fights because they have zero relevance to anything. If I wanted to see Oscar at his best, I wouldn't watch him beating up an old past it former legend of the sport, I'd watch him overcome Ike Quartey or Fernando Vargas. If I wanted to appreciate the unreal skills and boxing ability of Camacho, an underrated commodity on ESB in my judgment, I'll take a lot at his performance against Bazooka Limon. None of the fights I listed should have even happened as far as I'm concerned. Whoever let Ali in the ring against Holmes...needs shooting.

To be honest, I wasn't really talking about you, nor did I mean anything negative by my post at all--not sure what you are taking so personally. I thought it was interesting how many people have a gut reaction to seeing their guy lose in boxing....myself included. I guess that didn't come across very well.

[Addie]

To be honest, I wasn't really talking about you, nor did I mean anything negative by my post at all--not sure what you are taking so personally. I thought it was interesting how many people have a gut reaction to seeing their guy lose in boxing....myself included. I guess that didn't come across very well.

Not at all, I didn't take it personally...there are some fights...that don't need to be watched or shown ever again as far as I'm concerned. Some will say well you can watch Holmes vs Ali to signify the passing of the torch. Not for me. I mean, I'll probably never watch Barrera vs Pacquiao I again...but I had to at one time. Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping.

[Thread Stealer]

Mancini-Kim
G.Ruelas-Garcia

[natonic]

What's wrong with Camacho leonard? I watch it all the time.

Let me guess, with a box of tissues and some hand creme handy.

[Addie]

Let me guess, with a box of tissues and some hand creme handy.

:lol: Brilliant.

[Unforgiven]

Johnny Nelson v Carlos DeLeon I watched lived on TV.
Never again.

[GPater11093]

Like i'll never watch Marciano thrash Louis, and i'll never watch the fatal Parrett-Grifith fight. What others are there?

would you watch other fights where boxers got hurt or died again like Kim vs Mancini

I never watched Owen/Pintor...

There always used to be an unwritten rule amongst broadcasters and fans that a fight that involves serious injury or death is never shown (again).

It is sad that another (classy) rule of classic boxing has gone the toilet...

Now i am not saying i want to watch these fights as i wish they never happened but i'm not being sick but i want to see these fights if you understand me.

One of the men gave his absouloute all in something he liked doing. He lost his life doing something he loved, and its terrible. But i feel i need to watch these fights to pay my respect to the fallen warriors.

[Unforgiven]

I think it would be a disservice to the fighters in question, say, for example, Benn and McClellan if we were to review great fighters but put a bar or taboo on viewing their fight.
Greatness and glory can sometimes be mixed with horror and tragedy in this sport.

People are quick to watch Manila and millions of fights that probably caused chronic brain damage.
People are quick to watch Jerry Quarry fights.

So, ultimately, I disagree with the unwritten rule TBooze refers too.

[Bokaj]

Don't think I'll ever bear to watch Ali-Holmes.

[The Kurgan]

Don't think I'll ever bear to watch Ali-Holmes.

I've tried, but it was too one-sided and unpleasant to watch. There are thousands of fights I want to see before I watch that.

[Seamus]

Really? Why?! I know what happened, not like i need confirmation or that i'm going to watch it to make a case for Duran's credibility on the night (although he took one round clearly!). I just needed to sit and watch it start to finish in the end so it had to be done.

That fight was pretty close at the time of the stoppage. It wasn't the whitewash some people make it out to be.

[mcvey]

Like i'll never watch Marciano thrash Louis, and i'll never watch the fatal Parrett-Grifith fight. What others are there?

Anything with Johnny Nelson in it,and most of Herrol Graham.

[The Morlocks]

the only klitschko fight i ever enjoyed was wlad-sanders 1 when corrie used speed and power to impale and flatten vlad. just as haye will do.

[mochabuzz]

Larry Holmes-Tex Cobb...it's pointless...and it's most significant aspect is the retirement from boxing afterwards of Howard Cosell.

"What is achieved by such as this...."
-Howard Cosell

[TBooze]

Anything with Johnny Nelson in it,and most of Herrol Graham.

Well you missed some pretty good and interesting performances...

[anarci]

I wont watch Delahoya and Pac,because this was not the real Oscar he looked as shot as Ali did against Holmes. My son wanted to watch it today(he dont like Oscar) I told him no! Then he wanted to watch Hearns and Duran(hes fuc*ing with me Now! We saw that though, But for the longest time I couldnt watch that one either.

[Stevie G]

Don't think I'll ever bear to watch Ali-Holmes.
Same here. And the only good thing about Muhammad's fight with Berbick,is that it was n't quite as painful as the one with Holmes.

[TBooze]

I wont watch Delahoya and Pac,because this was not the real Oscar he looked as shot as Ali did against Holmes.

How would you know, you did not watch it!;)

[Minotauro]

Never seen Paret-Griffith 3 and don't intend too.

[SuzieQ49]

Mcgrain, I question the evidence you use to back up your opinion. Louis-Marciano was "hardly" a thrashing. In fact, it was a very good fight the first 5 rounds. Those 5 rounds you witness some world class punching, boxing, and jabbing from the fighters. 3 of the 5 rounds could have easily been scored to Louis. I would suggest watching the first 5 if you do not want to see the end result.

[Raging B(_)LL]

One fight I haven`t watched in years and probably won`t ever again is the second Saad/Qawi fight, to see my hero Saad get mugged and beaten from pillar to post by a fired up Dwight is too painful a sight for me to sit thru ever again.

[Tin_Ribs]

Owen/Pintor by a mile. I watched it once, and not to the actual end, knowing what followed. Owen was such a loved, respectable and unique character for a fighter that it makes the thought of what befell him impossible to think about.

Ingle/Botile is another one. I met Ingle as a kid in Scarborough just after he'd lost to Hamed, and he seemed nice. Made what happened a hard pill to swallow.

[LukeO]

Any John Ruiz fight.

[Hattons Hook]

I wouldn't want to watch Benn v Malinga or the 2 Collins fights again. Hatton v Pacquiao makes me wince as well.

[Duodenum]

The only reason I watched Dokes-Weaver I was to confirm that Hercules was indeed setting up a suckered Carl Williams for his hook by cleverly feigning distress against the ropes. (After getting up against Dokes, and getting genuinely stunned by Coetzee and Smith, Mike holds his left up by his face, but has it in a cocked and loaded position before pulling the trigger on "The Lie.") With that one viewing of Dokes-Weaver I having served the purpose, I don't want to see the egregious way in which Joey Curtis very prematurely robbed Hercules of his WBA title again. Smith-Weaver I was a good call by the referee, while Dokes-Weaver I was reactionary BS.