View Full Version : Jerry Quarry vs Joe Bugner
abraq
09-25-2007, 12:32 PM
This is a match that could have been made in 1973-74. But let us talk prime to prime.
Who would win?
mr. magoo
09-25-2007, 12:43 PM
Although I like both fighters, and have a great deal of respect for them, I think I have to go with Quarry on this one. My reasoning is driven by the fact that Quarry was far more aggressive during most of his fights, whereas Bugner tended to be a " safety first " type of guy. You look at the way Quarry started off against men like Shavers, Bodell and Lyle ( all of whom beat Bugner by the way ), and I just think Quarry has a better chance of impressing the judges.
Quarry by majority decision.
Duodenum
09-25-2007, 02:27 PM
Although I like both fighters, and have a great deal of respect for them, I think I have to go with Quarry on this one. My reasoning is driven by the fact that Quarry was far more aggressive during most of his fights, whereas Bugner tended to be a " safety first " type of guy. You look at the way Quarry started off against men like Shavers, Bodell and Lyle ( all of whom beat Bugner by the way ), and I just think Quarry has a better chance of impressing the judges.
Quarry by majority decision.I largely agree with this. Also, Bugner's body was so wide open that even Ali went downstairs on him. In the opening rounds of their first bout, Jerry was actually outworking Frazier to the body. Smoke sent Bugner to the deck with a late bodyshot. I do think a UD would be more likely than a majority decision, if the scoring is done by multiple judges.
mcvey
09-25-2007, 04:28 PM
This is a match that could have been made in 1973-74. But let us talk prime to prime.
Who would win?
Bugner was big and durable ,it wouldnt be enough against a prime Quarry,he would be comprehensively out fought,and as a result of Quarrys aggression it would be an entertaining fight,as Bugner,[like against Frazier] would be forced to fight to survive.
brooklyn1550
09-25-2007, 04:45 PM
Quarry by UD
AREA 53
09-26-2007, 01:50 PM
It would not surprise me if Bugner Won ! through Styles !
Jerry's Great Victories over Foster, Lyle and Shavers have no real relevance here due to Bugners Jab/Tie-up/Jab/ Flit/Jab-Jab Dance Away Style, Joe was not a slow target like the aforementioned, of course, Jerry would not be in the sleightest hurt, but i think he would get mightily frustrated.
All throught Jerry's career it seems appearent that he preferred to Mix it then go on a chase, Machen outboxed him Early, Ellis did later on, more interestingly Jerry only just scrapped past Larry Middleton ( who beat a young Bugner) The Jerry who Scrapped past Middleton would not i suspect beat a Prime Bugner,
Bugner negativity would probably help him against Jerry, Joe would not be thinking of a knockout, or even getting too involved, No, Joe would used his Mobility, Awkward Tieing up, and Pesky Jab to compete for points, and stop Jerry accruing too many in his own favour, Joe was very Durable also, Not Hurt, Actually the better all round fighter, but perhaps he could fall victim to a clash of Styles, ansd an opponent happy to win ugly.
Jerry the favourite for sure, but i do not think Joe should be discounted from racking up a few more points then a frustrated Jerry.
Holmes' Jab
09-27-2007, 04:05 AM
Quarry, by wiiidddeee UD. :good
Duodenum
09-27-2007, 05:13 AM
It would not surprise me if Bugner Won ! through Styles !
Jerry's Great Victories over Foster, Lyle and Shavers have no real relevance here due to Bugners Jab/Tie-up/Jab/ Flit/Jab-Jab Dance Away Style, Joe was not a slow target like the aforementioned, of course, Jerry would not be in the sleightest hurt, but i think he would get mightily frustrated.
All throught Jerry's career it seems appearent that he preferred to Mix it then go on a chase, Machen outboxed him Early, Ellis did later on, more interestingly Jerry only just scrapped past Larry Middleton ( who beat a young Bugner) The Jerry who Scrapped past Middleton would not i suspect beat a Prime Bugner,
Bugner negativity would probably help him against Jerry, Joe would not be thinking of a knockout, or even getting too involved, No, Joe would used his Mobility, Awkward Tieing up, and Pesky Jab to compete for points, and stop Jerry accruing too many in his own favour, Joe was very Durable also, Not Hurt, Actually the better all round fighter, but perhaps he could fall victim to a clash of Styles, ansd an opponent happy to win ugly.
Jerry the favourite for sure, but i do not think Joe should be discounted from racking up a few more points then a frustrated Jerry.This could very definitely transpire if Quarry utilized his typical counterpunching approach. Jerry would need to attack Joe the way he started his first match with Frazier, going after Bugner, and hitting downstairs continually. Quarry would need to get Bugner on the ropes, and get underneath him while working Joe's body continually. Jerry is indeed the wild card here. We have a pretty good idea of how Bugner would approach such a pairing, but Quarry was hardly a model of consistency. If both produce a first rate showing, then Jerry takes the decision, but Quarry would have to actually prove it in the ring. No computer, regardless of sophistication, could have possibly projected what Jerry might do in this situation.
TBooze
09-27-2007, 05:17 AM
Joe would just be glad to be there, and would probably sleep walk though the fight, dropping a comfortable 10/12 round decision. The Bugner who tries (the one who fought Frazier) would give Quarry hell, and may have enough to edge a razor thin decision.
bumdujour
09-27-2007, 07:20 AM
quarry by wide UD.
Mendoza
09-27-2007, 07:32 AM
Good match up. I think Quarry is more aggressive, and he would out work Joe Bugner. Bugner had a defensive clinch and grab stink ‘em out type of style. Quarry via UD.
I have noticed that Bugner, though not quite as good as Quarry did better vs Ali and Frazier in comparison to Quarry. I think his above survivor type of style, and size is the reason why.
LeonMcS
09-27-2007, 07:33 AM
Quarry would be busier, UD to Jerry.
JIm Broughton
05-09-2008, 08:30 PM
Quarry IMO. Bugner didn't have the fighting heart that Jerry had and it's really a shame becauase he had all the tools to be one helluva of a heavyweight. Skillwise he was as good as any HW from that era and that includes Ali but he was a safety first fighter and Jerry wasn't. To put it bluntly, Jerry had more balls. Quarry UD.
kenmore
05-10-2008, 12:12 AM
I largely agree with this. Also, Bugner's body was so wide open that even Ali went downstairs on him. In the opening rounds of their first bout, Jerry was actually outworking Frazier to the body. Smoke sent Bugner to the deck with a late bodyshot. I do think a UD would be more likely than a majority decision, if the scoring is done by multiple judges.
Actually Frazier floored Bugner with a left hook to the head, not a body shot.
As for Quarry vs. Bugner, assuming they both fought their best, I say Quarry wins a decision. This is because Bugner tended to go into a defensive shell when confronted by strong, aggressive fighters. Bugner's style was to wait until the aggressor stopped punching, and then try to take control with jabs from center ring. Quarry however would have sustained his offensive long enough to outfight Bugner over the long haul.
It would be a good fight, but Quarry takes it on the scorecards.
Maxmomer
05-10-2008, 01:22 AM
I know absolutely nothing about Joe Bugner.
Bummy Davis
05-10-2008, 10:45 AM
Bugner would be in awe of Quarry's power and body work and fight a defensive surviver fight...Quarry UD
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