View Full Version : Is GSP's biggest threat not in the UFC?
achillesthegreat
11-21-2009, 02:30 PM
People are talking Hardy and Johnson but is it Tyron Woodley from Strikeforce?
5-0 now (5 subs). He has the wrestling background but has got 5 subs on his record now. Striking looks good.
6 fight deal with Strikeforce, only one more to go.
Strikeforce need to keep a hold on him like they do Le and Mousasi.
Kyro, Henderson, Rampage etc They need to work HARD to snap them up and create depth.
Beebs
11-21-2009, 02:45 PM
None of the aforementioned guys are; the fighters with the best chance to beat him are still Jon Fitch, and Thiago Alves. Outside of the UFC I would say Jake Shields.
ufoalf
11-21-2009, 03:08 PM
None of the aforementioned guys are; the fighters with the best chance to beat him are still Jon Fitch, and Thiago Alves. Outside of the UFC I would say Jake Shields.
I know you're a fan of Jake Shields, not sure if you train with him or what but he's in no way a danger to GSP.
As far as outside of UFC there's nobody who is danger to GSP as of right now.
Beebs
11-21-2009, 03:16 PM
I know you're a fan of Jake Shields, not sure if you train with him or what but he's in no way a danger to GSP.
As far as outside of UFC there's nobody who is danger to GSP as of right now.
I'm not saying he is a legit threat; I said he is the biggest threat outside of the ufc.
The answer to "Who is the biggest threat outside the ufc?" can't be "nobody" it is a logical impossibility.
Woodley looks like he has potential, but he's fought no one of note. It's a bit premature to claim that he's a threat to GSP or any other top UFC 170 lber.
ufoalf
11-21-2009, 04:46 PM
I'm not saying he is a legit threat; I said he is the biggest threat outside of the ufc.
The answer to "Who is the biggest threat outside the ufc?" can't be "nobody" it is a logical impossibility.
If there's no threat for him outside of UFC it is VERY logical that a nobody is the answer. You're arguing semantics.
We'll see how johnson does against Kos tonight, Johnson is a Huge WW and has ko power. We'll see how his TD defense is against Kos assuming Kos should try to take him down. I think Johnson has the best chance he has shown good stand up so far and also has a wrestling background anyone his size can be a problem he would have almost 30lbs on GSP(walking around weight)
I would like to see how Jake Shields does against guys like Fitch,Alves and Hardy.
québecwarrior
11-21-2009, 05:00 PM
I would like to see how Jake Shields does against guys like Fitch,Alves and Hardy.
Fitch grind a decision vs Shields
Alves knocks shields out
Hardy knocks shields out
yesihavearm2
11-21-2009, 09:48 PM
Fitch grind a decision vs Shields
Alves knocks shields out
Hardy knocks shields out
Oh dear...
Beebs
11-21-2009, 10:34 PM
If there's no threat for him outside of UFC it is VERY logical that a nobody is the answer. You're arguing semantics.
Well yes, but what I said wasn't giving any undue support to Shields.
If the question is what's the next highest integer to 10, the answer has to be 9; it can't be "10 is too dominant"
So even if there is no real threat, there still has to be a biggest threat.
Fitch grind a decision vs Shields
Alves knocks shields out
Hardy knocks shields out
Oh..OK...thanks:good
tri-pod
11-22-2009, 03:46 AM
If Hardy performs like he did against Swick when he fights GSP, then he is going to be in for a world of hurt.
ufoalf
11-22-2009, 05:54 PM
Well yes, but what I said wasn't giving any undue support to Shields.
If the question is what's the next highest integer to 10, the answer has to be 9; it can't be "10 is too dominant"
So even if there is no real threat, there still has to be a biggest threat.
:lol:
If the question is what's the next highest positive(as a sign of actual force) integer to 1, the answer is null, non-existant, effing ERROR.
Semantics can be argued to death.
There's no threat for GSP outside of UFC. If there is I don't think anyone can tell yet who that is. Though I'd say it HAS to be a good striker rather than a good wrestler. This is something can be argued.
Clearly grapplers don't cut it against GSP at all. He simpy out-grapples them and grinds them out. If GSP is going to lose it will have to be something standing up. From what I remember Shield's credentials in grappling are not on even on par with Kos, Hughes etc. His stand up, for the lack of a better word, is stiff.
Top Dog
11-22-2009, 08:16 PM
He would bust these guys
Vitor Belfort
11-23-2009, 02:45 AM
None of the aforementioned guys are; the fighters with the best chance to beat him are still Jon Fitch, and Thiago Alves. Outside of the UFC I would say Jake Shields.
Jake Shields striking is whack, he does have a good ground game but so does gsp. I think GSP will beat shields via GNP stoppage.
socrates
11-23-2009, 08:11 AM
the only threats for gsp are at MW....
achillesthegreat
11-23-2009, 08:32 AM
Johnson needs to rebuild. Next up is Hardy who is good but other than his durability and power, I'm not sure if he is a legit threat.
Woodley has the most promise so far. Not on paper but he just looks good.
Beebs
11-23-2009, 10:00 PM
Jake Shields striking is whack, he does have a good ground game but so does gsp. I think GSP will beat shields via GNP stoppage.
I'm not saying he has a good, chance, he certainly has almost no chance, just that nobody else has a better chance. There is a difference.
There has to be a biggest threat to him outside of the UFC, the answer can't be "nobody."
James23
11-23-2009, 10:06 PM
No.
His biggest threat, at Welterweight, is Jon Fitch.
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