Heavyweight Champion Resumes since 1930

[OLD FOGEY]

I am going to try to judge the resume of most of the heavyweight champions since Tunney by listing their records against opponents either heavyweight champions or rated #1 or #2 contender in the RING MAGAZINE yearly ratings. I arbitrarily chose the first two contenders as representing the cream. In the years in which the title was vacant, I went down to the #3 contender--so the list is fighters fought who were in the top three heavyweights and the record achieved. As the ratings started in 1924, Max Schmeling is the first champion I can get a reading on.


It will take a while to post--so please bear with me.

[OLD FOGEY]

I am going to try to judge the resume of most of the heavyweight champions since Tunney by listing their records against opponents either heavyweight champions or rated #1 or #2 contender in the RING MAGAZINE yearly ratings. I arbitrarily chose the first two contenders as representing the cream. In the years in which the title was vacant, I went down to the #3 contender--so the list is fighters fought who in the top three heavyweights and the record achieved. As the ratings started in 1924, Max Schmeling is the first champion I can get a reading on.


It will take a while to post--so please bear with me.

1. MAX SCHMELING--defeated 5, lost to 4 (total record 6-4-1 (3 KO)
Sharkey, Uzcudun, Stribling, Baer, Hamas, Louis (6)

2. JACK SHARKEY--defeated 6, lost to 5 (total record 6-5 (1 KO)
Dempsey, Wills, Stribling, Godfrey, Schmeling, Loughran, Carnera, Louis (8)

3. PRIMO CARNERA--defeated 6, lost to 4 (total record 7-4 (2 KO)
Sharkey, Godfrey, Uzcudun, Stribling, Schaaf, Baer, Loughran, Louis (8)

4. MAX BAER--defeated 5, lost to 7 (total record 5-8 (3 KO)
Uzcudun, Schmeling, Schaaf, Loughran, Carnera, Braddock, Louis, Farr, Nova, Galento (10)

5. JIM BRADDOCK--defeated 2, lost to 1 (total record 2-1 (0 KO)
Baer, Louis, Farr (3)

6. JOE LOUIS--defeated 16, lost to 3 (total record 20-3 (16 KO)
Sharkey, Uzcudun, Schmeling, Baer, Carnera, Braddock, Farr, Nova, Galento, Pastor, Godoy, Conn, Bivins, Mauriello, Walcott, Charles, Savold, Marciano (18)

7. EZZARD CHARLES--defeated 7, lost to 7 (total record 14-11 (5 KO)
Louis, Bivins, Ray, Walcott, Oma, Marciano, Layne, Valdes, Moore, Jackson (10)

8. J JOE WALCOTT--defeated 4, lost to 5 (total record 6-8 (2 KO)
Louis, Bivins, Ray, Oma, Charles, Marciano, Layne (7)

9. ROCKY MARCIANO--defeated 7, lost to 0 (total record 9-0 (8 KO)
Louis, Walcott, Charles, Savold, Layne, Cockell, Moore (7)

10. FLOYD PATTERSON--defeated 4, lost to 5 (total record 6-7-1 4 KO
Moore, Jackson, Machen, Johansson, Liston, Ali, Ellis, Quarry (8)

11. INGO JOHANSSON--defeated 2, lost to 1 (total record 2-2 (2 KO)
Patterson, Machen (2)

12. SONNY LISTON--defeated 4, lost to 1 (total record 5-2 (4 KO)
Valdes, Patterson, Folley, Machen, Ali (5)

13. MUHAMMAD ALI--defeated 12, lost to 3 (total record 18-3 11 KO)
Moore, Patterson, Folley, Liston, Jones, Terrell, Frazier, Ellis, Foreman, Quarry, Norton, Young, Holmes

14. JOE FRAZIER--defeated 5, lost to 2 (total record 7-4 (6 KO)
Machen, Jones, Ali, Ellis, Quarry, Foreman (6)

15. GEORGE FOREMAN--defeated 3, lost to 3 (total record 4-3 (4 KO)
Ali, Frazier, Norton, Young, Cooney, Holyfield (6)

16. LARRY HOLMES--defeated 6, lost to 4 (total record 6-5 (4 KO)
Ali, Norton, Weaver, Cooney, M Spinks, Tyson, Smith, Holyfield, Williams, McCall (10)

17. MIKE TYSON--defeated 6, lost to 2 (total record 7-3 (5 KO)
Holmes, Thomas, M Spinks, Smith, Holyfield, Williams, Ruddock, Lewis (8)

18. EVANDER HOLYFIELD--defeated 8, lost to 5 (total record 9-6-2 (4 KO)--Foreman, Holmes, Dokes, Thomas, Tyson, Bowe, Lewis, Bryd, Ruiz, Rahman, Toney (11)

19. LENNOX LEWIS--defeated 8, lost to 2 (total record 8-2-1 (7 KO)
Weaver, Ruddock, McCall, Holyfield, Grant, Rahman, Tyson, Vitali Klitschko (8)

20. HASIM RAHMAN--defeated 1, lost to 3 (total record 1-3-1 (1 KO)
Holyfield, Lewis, Ruiz, Toney (4)

21. VITALI KLITSCHKO--defeated 1, lost to 2 (total record 1-2 (1 KO)
Bryd, Lewis, Kirk Johnson (3)

22. WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO--defeated 3, lost to 0 (total record 3-0 1 KO
Bryd, Peter (2)

23. MICHAEL SPINKS--defeated 2, lost to 1 (total record 3-1 (1 KO)
Holmes, Cooney, Tyson (3)

24. LEON SPINKS--defeated 1, lost to 3 (total record 1-3 (0 KO)
Ali, Coetzee, Holmes (3)

25. RIDDICK BOWE--defeated 3, lost to 1 (total record 4-1 (3 KO)
Thomas, Holyfield, Dokes (3)

26. MICHAEL MOORER--defeated 2, lost to 2 (total record 2-2 (0 KO)
Smith, Holyfield, Foreman (3)

27. SHANNON BRIGGS--defeated 1, lost to 1 (total record 1-1 (0 KO)
Foreman, Lewis (2)

*Obviously, the smile icon is the #8.

[McGrain]

Nice.

Marciano's achievments read nicely and starkly in this context. Other big winners seem to be Wlad, Carnera and Lewis. The big loser seems to be Walcott!

It's nice to see that Braddock is in good shape!

[OLD FOGEY]

Nice.

Marciano's achievments read nicely and starkly in this context. Other big winners seem to be Wlad, Carnera and Lewis. The big loser seems to be Walcott!

It's nice to see that Braddock is in good shape!

Of course, Carnera has two foul victories on there, which might be fishy, but even taking them out, he is a solid 5-3. He was probably better than generally judged.

Baer comes off a loser, also, I think.

[McGrain]

Baer comes off a loser, also, I think.

Yes, he comes of outclassed in a way I wouldn't expect.

[OLD FOGEY]

Yes, he comes of outclassed in a way I wouldn't expect.

Really, though, considering his rep and the length of time he fought, I think Foreman is the most surprising and the most disappointing.

[ChrisPontius]

Some great research there, Fogey!

I will put them in a table (perhaps Excel) later to makes things a bit easier to see. Ordering them by winning percentage, number of contenders, etc.






By the way, do you have a lot of spare time?




If so, it would be great to see the same stats only then against top10 contenders, instead of top2.
Please? 8-)

[ChrisPontius]

By the way, i must say i am suprised that Valdez vs Liston, Weaver vs Lewis and Thomas vs Holyfield were top2 contenders. All of them were washed up.

[OLD FOGEY]

Some great research there, Fogey!

I will put them in a table (perhaps Excel) later to makes things a bit easier to see. Ordering them by winning percentage, number of contenders, etc.






By the way, do you have a lot of spare time?




If so, it would be great to see the same stats only then against top10 contenders, instead of top2.
Please? 8-)

Well, I did print the BOXING REGISTER list for Hall-of-Famers back awhile. But going down to #10 is difficult. I also think this is useful because the top two men are truly serious contenders. The #10 man is often a come in and go out fringe contender. It is good to know who fought the top men and how each did against them.

[OLD FOGEY]

By the way, i must say i am suprised that Valdez vs Liston, Weaver vs Lewis and Thomas vs Holyfield were top2 contenders. All of them were washed up.

No. I said were rated at any time. It could distort some between one fighter and another but I think it evens out for the most part. Valdes is a good example. Not rated at all when Liston fought him after losing twice in 1959, but the #2 contender in 1958.

[Luigi1985]

Great post, OLD FOGEY. On facts like this, you can clearly see why I always criticize someone, if he has Liston for example in his Top 5 HW´s of all times...

[McGrain]

Great post, OLD FOGEY. On facts like this, you can clearly see why I always criticize someone, if he has Liston for example in his Top 5 HW´s of all times...

Why pick on Liston?

What is so miserable about 4-1, especially given that the "1" was past peak losses to peak Ali (even if you take both fights seriously)?

[Luigi1985]

Why pick on Liston?

What is so miserable about 4-1, especially given that the "1" was past peak losses to peak Ali (even if you take both fights seriously)?


I picked him just as an example. I could also take Carnera as a positive example. I have nothing against Sonny, I just feel that he´s very overrated today (also because to hype up Ali´s career), but I wrote it yet, and it´s off-topic...

[ChrisPontius]

So to put it easier to read, this is them ordered on best records:

1. Joe Louis 20-3 (16 KO)
2. Muhammad Ali 18-3 (11 KO)
3. Rocky Marciano 9-0 (8 KO)
4. Lennox Lewis 8-2-1 (7 KO)
5. Ezzard Charles 14-11 (5 KO)
6. Mike Tyson 7-3 (5 KO)
7. Primo Carnera 7-3 (2 KO)
8. Evander Holyfield 9-6-2 (4 KO)
9. Joe Frazier 7-4 (6 KO)
10. Sonny Liston 5-2 (4 KO)
11. Riddick Bowe 4-1 (3 KO)
12. Wladimir Klitschko 3-0 (1 KO)
13. Max Schmeling 6-4-1 (3 KO)
14. Michael Spinks 3-1 (1 KO)
15. Larry Holmes 6-5 (4 KO)
16. Jack Sharkey 6-5 (1 KO)
17. George Foreman 4-3 (4 KO)
18. Jim Braddock 2-1 (0 KO)
19. Ingomar Johansson 2-2 (2 KO)
20. Michael Moorer 2-2 (0 KO)
21. Shannon Briggs 1-1 (0 KO)
22. Floyd Patterson 6-7-1 (4 KO)
23. Vitali Klitschko 1-2 (1 KO)
24. Jersey Joe Walcott 6-8 (2 KO)
25. Max Baer 5-8 (3 KO)
26. Hasim Rahman 1-3-1 (1 KO)
27. Leon Spinks 1-3 (0 KO)

My top4 for heavyweights is identical to this one, but after that, my list is quite different.

I would like to say that besides Foreman, Holmes comes out suprisingly bad as well with 6-5. Barely better than 50-50. I think the fact that he refused to fight high ranked challengers in his prime contributed somewhat to that.


Sidenote: wasn't Sergei Liakhovic ranked in the top2 when Shannon Briggs knocked him out? He was certainly considered the #2 on the boards here (behind W. Klitschko), but i'm not sure about the ring rankings at that moment.

[OLD FOGEY]

Some great research there, Fogey!

I will put them in a table (perhaps Excel) later to makes things a bit easier to see. Ordering them by winning percentage, number of contenders, etc.






By the way, do you have a lot of spare time?




If so, it would be great to see the same stats only then against top10 contenders, instead of top2.
Please? 8-)

I'm not going to do all of them, but here is the top 5 lists on some positive comparisions:

Winning Percentage-
1. Marciano (100%)
2. Louis (87%)
3. Ali (86%)
4. Lewis (80%)
5. Bowe (80%)

Most wins-
1. Louis (20)
2. Ali (eighteen)
3. Charles (14)
4. Marciano (9)
4. Holyfield (9)

Most men defeated-
1. Louis (16)
2. Ali (12)
3. Lewis (eight)
4. Holyfield (eight)
5. Marciano (7)
5. Charles (7)

Highest KO percentage (to total fights)
1. Marciano (89%)
2. Louis (70%)
3. Lewis (64%)
4. Bowe (60%)
5. Liston (57%)
5. Foreman (57%)

Most KO's
1. Louis (16)
2. Ali (11)
3. Marciano (eight)
4. Lewis (7)
5. Frazier (6)

Most contenders ko'd
1. Louis (16)
2. Ali (eight)
3. Marciano (7)
3. Lewis (7)
5. Tyson (5)

[cross_trainer]

Fascinating.

It would be even better if we could expand on Old_Fogey's work and create a table like this for wins/losses over Top 10 RING heavyweights.

[ChrisPontius]

Which gives a knockout percentage of:
(calculated as percentage of total number of fights, not of wins only)

1. Marciano: 89%
2. Louis: 70%
3. Lewis: 64%
4. Bowe: 60%
5. Liston: 57%
6. Foreman: 57%
7. Frazier: 54%
8. Ali: 52%
9. Tyson: 50%
9. Johansson: 50%
11. Holmes: 36%
12. W. Klitschko: 33%
12. V. Klitschko: 33%
14. Patterson: 29%
15. Schmeling: 27%
16. L. Spinks: 25%
17. Holyfield: 24%
18. Baer: 23%
19. Carnera: 20%
19. Rahman: 20%
19. Charles: 20%
22. Walcott: 14%
23. Sharkey: 9%
24. Braddock: 0%
24. Moorer: 0%
24. Briggs: 0%
24. L. Spinks: 0%

It is clear from this list that Marciano has a RIDICULOUSLY high knockout percentage against top2 contenders and better. Lewis, Liston, Foreman and Frazier being at the top should be no suprise. What is worth mentioning though, is that ALi stopped 52% of his top2 rated opponents, which is only a little bit less than Frazier, Foreman and Liston and is more than Tyson did. What's more, it is a lot more than Holmes (36%) who is considered to have a bit more power than Ali.

[McGrain]

That sure does make pretty reading for Marciano fans, it's hard to justify my positioning of him at #13 in light of that.

It's only a part of the picture, but compelling none the less.

[McGrain]

Fascinating.

It would be even better if we could expand on Old_Fogey's work and create a table like this for wins/losses over Top 10 RING heavyweights.

I can't take you seriosly with that avatar.

I keep waiting for an evil denouncement.

[ChrisPontius]

Fascinating.

It would be even better if we could expand on Old_Fogey's work and create a table like this for wins/losses over Top 10 RING heavyweights.

If i have some spare time the next days, i will go over it.

Could this thread be made a sticky, by the way?

[cross_trainer]

If i have some spare time the next days, i will go over it.

Could this thread be made a sticky, by the way?

In the words of the great Lennox Lewis, "Definitely".

...But only if we can get the rankings for the top 10. While interesting, there is simply too much stickied at the moment.

Perhaps I can merge this into the "Toolbox" thread.

[McGrain]

Could this thread be made a sticky, by the way?

Great info and i for sure am taking notes.

But if you sticky it, you got to do it for every weight, and things get out of hand

In my opinion.

[OLD FOGEY]

Fascinating.

It would be even better if we could expand on Old_Fogey's work and create a table like this for wins/losses over Top 10 RING heavyweights.

I agree, but this is useful. Resume boils down to three levels. Great fighters--you beat Dempsey. Very good fighters--you beat Young Stribling. Rated fighters--Beating three #10's might not be exactly as impressive as beating Dempsey or Stribling.
That said, if I get time, I may try to work on a few. I have in the past--I'll see if I still have the info about.

[mr. magoo]

I agree, but this is useful. Resume boils down to three levels. Great fighters--you beat Dempsey. Very good fighters--you beat Young Stribling. Rated fighters--Beating three #10's might not exactly as impressive as beating Dempsey or Stribling.
That said, if I get time, I may try to work on a few. I have in the past--I'll see if I still have it.

You've never had an avator Fogey.

This week, we are doing Star Wars avator pictures. I would like to see you choose an avator. Perhaps Obi-Wan-Kanobi or Yoda. If you need help in uploading an avator, contact me or someone on the forum. We'll walk you through the process of obtaining an avator.

BUT DO IT!!!!!!

[McGrain]

:lol:

[Dempsey1238]

Harry Kid Matthews is not added to the Marciano list. That would be ten. He was a rank number 2 I suppose when he fought the Rock.

[OLD FOGEY]

Harry Kid Matthews is not added to the Marciano list. That would be ten. He was a rank number 2 I suppose when he fought the Rock.

Yes, and LaStarza was the number 1 contender, but I went by the yearly Ring Magazine ratings. I just don't have access to the ratings for each month. I figure it will even out for most of the champions.
The ratings I used was that a fighter appeared in the top three-champion, #1 or #2, contender-in one of the yearly Ring Magazine ratings.

[Dempsey1238]

Well either of these guys enjoy there stay for long though as Marciano knock em off pretty fast.

[OLD FOGEY]

I screwed up Carnera. He defeated 6 and lost to 4--His total record was 7-4 with 2 knockouts. Sorry, fellas.

[janitor]

So to put it easier to read, this is them ordered on best records:

1. Joe Louis 20-3 (16 KO)
2. Muhammad Ali 18-3 (11 KO)
3. Rocky Marciano 9-0 (8 KO)
4. Lennox Lewis 8-2-1 (7 KO)
5. Ezzard Charles 14-11 (5 KO)
6. Mike Tyson 7-3 (5 KO)
7. Primo Carnera 7-3 (2 KO) -------I always said the guy had depth to his resume
8. Evander Holyfield 9-6-2 (4 KO)
9. Joe Frazier 7-4 (6 KO)
10. Sonny Liston 5-2 (4 KO)
11. Riddick Bowe 4-1 (3 KO)
12. Wladimir Klitschko 3-0 (1 KO)
13. Max Schmeling 6-4-1 (3 KO)
14. Michael Spinks 3-1 (1 KO)
15. Larry Holmes 6-5 (4 KO)
16. Jack Sharkey 6-5 (1 KO)
17. George Foreman 4-3 (4 KO)
18. Jim Braddock 2-1 (0 KO)
19. Ingomar Johansson 2-2 (2 KO)
20. Michael Moorer 2-2 (0 KO)
21. Shannon Briggs 1-1 (0 KO)
22. Floyd Patterson 6-7-1 (4 KO)
23. Vitali Klitschko 1-2 (1 KO)
24. Jersey Joe Walcott 6-8 (2 KO)
25. Max Baer 5-8 (3 KO)
26. Hasim Rahman 1-3-1 (1 KO)
27. Leon Spinks 1-3 (0 KO)


An interesting list with some surprizing winners. While not a top 27 list per se it is an interesting measure of atainment of certain champions against the best of their era.

My criticism of the way that they are ranked is that it is unfavourable to fighters who are have an average ratio against their top oponents but fought a large number of them. For example Vitally Klitschko who is 2-1 is over Walcott who is 6-8. Poor old Walcott gets a bit of a raw deal having fought Louis twice and Marciano twice.

[janitor]

A bit of judicial review

1. Joe Louis 20-3 (16 KO) Arguably 19-4
2. Muhammad Ali 18-3 (11 KO) Arguably 17-4
3. Rocky Marciano 9-0 (8 KO)
4. Lennox Lewis 8-2-1 (7 KO) Arguably 9-2
5. Ezzard Charles 14-11 (5 KO) Arguably 15-10
6. Mike Tyson 7-3 (5 KO)
7. Primo Carnera 7-3 (2 KO) Arguably 6-3
8. Evander Holyfield 9-6-2 (4 KO) Arguably 9-7-1
9. Joe Frazier 7-4 (6 KO)
10. Sonny Liston 5-2 (4 KO)
11. Riddick Bowe 4-1 (3 KO)
12. Wladimir Klitschko 3-0 (1 KO)
13. Max Schmeling 6-4-1 (3 KO) Arguably 8-2 (Schmeling would be the main beneficiary of this)
14. Michael Spinks 3-1 (1 KO) Arguably 2-2
15. Larry Holmes 6-5 (4 KO) Arguably 7-4
16. Jack Sharkey 6-5 (1 KO)
17. George Foreman 4-3 (4 KO)
18. Jim Braddock 2-1 (0 KO)
19. Ingomar Johansson 2-2 (2 KO)
20. Michael Moorer 2-2 (0 KO)
21. Shannon Briggs 1-1 (0 KO)
22. Floyd Patterson 6-7-1 (4 KO)
23. Vitali Klitschko 1-2 (1 KO)
24. Jersey Joe Walcott 6-8 (2 KO)
25. Max Baer 5-8 (3 KO)
26. Hasim Rahman 1-3-1 (1 KO)
27. Leon Spinks 1-3 (0 KO)

[NickHudson]

Great work fellas, really enjoyed reading these stats.

Another interesting approach (not saying it is as objective as the above, or that I have the will power to do it myself!) would be to identify each champs top 5 (?) victories, based on opponents name and status at the time of the victory.

For example, I believe Holyfield's top victory using these criteria was over previously undefeated '93 HW champ Bowe, with post-prison '96 alphabet HW champ Tyson taking second place.

I believe Ali's best victory was over previously undefeated '74 HW champ Foreman, with '64 HW champ Liston in second place (first loss in 10 years, coming off 3 KO1 wins), and '73 Frazier taking his 3rd slot.

Anyone prepared to make some contributions on these and other champs?

[OLD FOGEY]

A bit of judicial review

1. Joe Louis 20-3 (16 KO) Arguably 19-4
2. Muhammad Ali 18-3 (11 KO) Arguably 17-4
3. Rocky Marciano 9-0 (8 KO)
4. Lennox Lewis 8-2-1 (7 KO) Arguably 9-2
5. Ezzard Charles 14-11 (5 KO) Arguably 15-10
6. Mike Tyson 7-3 (5 KO)
7. Primo Carnera 7-3 (2 KO) Arguably 6-3
8. Evander Holyfield 9-6-2 (4 KO) Arguably 9-7-1
9. Joe Frazier 7-4 (6 KO)
10. Sonny Liston 5-2 (4 KO)
11. Riddick Bowe 4-1 (3 KO)
12. Wladimir Klitschko 3-0 (1 KO)
13. Max Schmeling 6-4-1 (3 KO) Arguably 8-2 (Schmeling would be the main beneficiary of this)
14. Michael Spinks 3-1 (1 KO) Arguably 2-2
15. Larry Holmes 6-5 (4 KO) Arguably 7-4
16. Jack Sharkey 6-5 (1 KO)
17. George Foreman 4-3 (4 KO)
18. Jim Braddock 2-1 (0 KO)
19. Ingomar Johansson 2-2 (2 KO)
20. Michael Moorer 2-2 (0 KO)
21. Shannon Briggs 1-1 (0 KO)
22. Floyd Patterson 6-7-1 (4 KO)
23. Vitali Klitschko 1-2 (1 KO)
24. Jersey Joe Walcott 6-8 (2 KO)
25. Max Baer 5-8 (3 KO)
26. Hasim Rahman 1-3-1 (1 KO)
27. Leon Spinks 1-3 (0 KO)

Interesting comments. My own reaction
1. Carnera--I overlooked his foul loss to Stribling. He should be 7-4, but only drops one place into a tie with Frazier. Underrated.
2. Schmeling--I think if he had gotten the controversial decision over Sharkey & the draw with Uzcudun, he would end 8-3 (losses to Baer, Louis, & the first Hamas fight, which I don't think was questionable). Still he would rank #5 on Chris' list, I think, which is interesting and impressive.
3. Holmes--the questionable loss to Spinks might be balanced out by the extremely close victories over Norton & Williams.
4. I agree that Walcott, and also Patterson, are not given enough credit for their large number of victories. Also, how does Vitali (1-2) end up under any circumstances ahead of Walcott (6-8). Walcott even has the higher percentage.

[DamonD]

Whenever I see a new fight, I tend to note down any information about it such as punchstats, round scorings etc...and any rankings mentioned in the broadcast too, ABCs and/or Ring.

If that would be helpful towards another version of this list, I think I have info like that for guys like Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield and others.

[Rock0052]

Bump, because this is just a good thread to keep at hand for a quick look at the champs' resumes.

As an update to Wlad's stats, he's now 7-0 (4 KO) by this criteria - Byrd x 2, Peter x2, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Rahman. I think Chambers was just short, being rated #3 heading into that fight.

[goat15]

Winning Percentage-
1. Marciano (100%)
2. Louis (87%)
3. Ali (86%)
4. Lewis (80%)
5. Bowe (80%)

Most wins-
1. Louis (20)
2. Ali (eighteen)
3. Charles (14)
4. Marciano (9)
4. Holyfield (9)

Most men defeated-
1. Louis (16)
2. Ali (12)
3. Lewis (eight)
4. Holyfield (eight)
5. Marciano (7)
5. Charles (7)

Highest KO percentage (to total fights)
1. Marciano (89%)
2. Louis (70%)
3. Lewis (64%)
4. Bowe (60%)
5. Liston (57%)
5. Foreman (57%)

Most KO's
1. Louis (16)
2. Ali (11)
3. Marciano (eight)
4. Lewis (7)
5. Frazier (6)

Most contenders ko'd
1. Louis (16)
2. Ali (eight)
3. Marciano (7)
3. Lewis (7)
5. Tyson (5)

louis and marciano in every top five :cool:

[brb]

Bump, because this is just a good thread to keep at hand for a quick look at the champs' resumes.

As an update to Wlad's stats, he's now 7-0 (4 KO) by this criteria - Byrd x 2, Peter x2, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Rahman. I think Chambers was just short, being rated #3 heading into that fight.

10 days away - - Wlad 8-0 (5 KO).

[brb]

nm

[Bummy Davis]

Nice work guys...very interesting.

[JAB5239]

Excellent stuff in this thread, great work!

[lufcrazy]

I've done research on the top ten, one second i'll paste it on.

[lufcrazy]

Key: CC=current champ, TD = title defence, NC=non-current champ.

Sullivan: 7 years: Donaldson, Dalton, Ryan (x2), Elliot, Mitchell, Slade, Mcaffrey, Kilrain (TD).

Corbett: 5 years: Choynski (x2), Kilrain, Mcaffrey, Mccoy, Sullivan (CC)

Fitzsimmons: 2 years: Hall, Choynski, Maher, Corbett (CC), Ruhlin, Sharkey, OBrien

Jeffries: 6 years: Sharkey (x2, 1TD), Armstrong, Fitzsimmons (x2, CC + TD), Corbett (x2, 2TDNC), Kennedy, Ruhlin (TD)

Hart: 1 year: Carter( x2), Ferguson, Ruhlin, Johnson (NC), Root, Sullivan, Ross

Burns: 3 years: Hart (CC), OBrien (TD)

Johnson: 7 years: Childs, Gardner, Martin, Mcvea (x3), Ferguson, Jeanette (x4), Langford, Fitsimmons (NC*), Flynn, Burns (CC), Ross (TD), Kaufman (TD), Ketchel (TD), Jeffries (TDNC*), Moran (TD),

Willard: 4 years: J. Johnson (CC), Moran (TD), F. Johnson

Dempsey: 7 years: Morris, Fulton, Miske (x2, 1TD), Willard (CC), Brennan (TD), Carpentier (TD), Gibbons (TD), Firpo (TD), Sharkey (NC)

Tunney: 2 years: Spalla, Risko, Dempsey (x2, CC, TDNC), Heeney (TD)

Schmeling: 2 years: Risko, Uzcudun, Sharkey (CC), Stribling (TD), Walker, Neusel, Louis (NC)

Sharkey: 1 years: F. Johnson, Renault, Gorman, Godfrey, Wills, Maloney, Delaney, Stribling, Carnera (NC), Schmelling (CC)

Carnera: 1 year: Stribling, Godfrey, Levinsky, Schaaf, Sharkey (CC)

Baer: 1 year: Risko, Levinsky (x2), Schaaf, Griffiths, Schmelling (NC), Carnera (CC), Farr, Galento

Braddock: 2 years: Lasky, Baer (CC), Farr

Louis: 12 years: Massera, Ramage (x2), Perroni, Brown, Carnera (NC), Levinsky, Baer (NC), Retzlaff, Attore, Braddock (CC), Farr (TD), Mann (TD), Schmelling (TDNC), Galento (TD), Pastor (TD), Godoy (x2TD), Paycheck (TD), Burman (TD), Simon (x2, 2TD), Baer (x2, 2TD), Conn (x2, 2TD), Nova (TD), Mauriello (TD), Walcott (x2, 2TDNC), Savold, Brion

Charles: 2 years: Maxim (x4, 1TD), Bivins (x2), Baksi, Walcott (x2, NC +TDNC), Valentino (TD), Louis (TDNC), Oma (TD), Layne (x2), Brion, Harrison, Wallace, Satterfield

Walcott: 1 year: Sheppard, Murray, Baksi, Bivins, Gomez, Oma, Maxim (x2), Ray, Johnson, Agramonte, Charles (x2, CC + TDNC)

Marciano: 4 years: Lastarza (x2, 1TD), Layne, Louis (NC), Matthews, Walcott (x2, CC + TDNC), Charles (x2, TDNC), Cockell (TD), Moore (TD)

Patterson: 5 years: Harrison, Slade, Jackson (x2, 1TD), Moore, Harris (TD), London (TD), Johanneson (x2, CC +TDNC), Machen, Chuvalo, Bonavena

Johanneson : 1 year: Machen, Patterson (CC)

Liston: 2 years: Bethea, DeJohn, Williams, Harris, Folley, Machen, Patterson (x2, CC + TDNC), Clark

Ali: 11 years: Daniels, Lazarante, Moore, Jones, Cooper, Liston (x2, CC+TDNC), Patterson (x2, TDNC, NC), Chuvalo (TD), London (TD), Mildenberger (TD), Terrell (TD), Folley (TD), Quarry (x2), Bonavena, Ellis, Foster, Bugner (x2, TD), Norton (x2, TD), Frazier (x2, NC + TDNC), Foreman (CC), Wepner (TD), Lyle (TD), Young (TD), Evangelista (TD), Shavers (TD), L. Spinks (CC)

Frazier: 3 years: Bonavena (x2), Chuvalo, Ramos, Quarry (x2), Ellis, Foster (TD), Ali (TDNC), Bugner

Foreman: 4 years: Chuvalo, Frazier (x2 CC +NC), Norton (TD), Lyle, Moorer (CC),
L. Spinks: 0 years: Ali (CC), Evangelista, Mercardo

Holmes: 5 years: Shavers (x2), Norton, Evangelista, Weaver, Zanon, Jones, LeDoux, Ali (CC), Berbick (TD), Spinks (TDNC), Cooney (TD), Cobb (TD) Witherspoon (TD), Smith (TD), Bey (TD), Williams (TD), Mercer

M. Spinks: 3 years: Holmes (x2, CC + TDNC)

Tyson : 2 years: Berbick, Smith, Thomas, Tucker, Biggs, Holmes (NC*), Spinks (CC) , Williams (TD), Ruddock (x2), Bruno, Seldon,

Douglas: 0 years: Page, Berbick, Tyson (CC)

Holyfield: 3 years: Thomas, Dokes, Rodrigues, Douglas (CC), Foreman (TDNC), Holmes (TDNC), Bowe (CC), Tyson (x2 NC), Moorer (NC), Rahman

[lufcrazy]

Bowe: 1 year: Holyfield (x2 CC + NC), Hide, Golota (x2)

Moorer: 0 years: Holyfield (CC)

Briggs: 1 year: Foreman (CC), Lyakhovic

Lewis: 6 years: Ruddock, Tucker, Jackson, Butler, Mercer, Mccall, Akinwade, Golota, Briggs (CC), Holyfield (TDNC), Grant (TD), Tua (TD), Rahman (CC), Tyson (TDNC), V. Klitschko (TD)

Rahman: 0 years: Lewis (CC), Barrett

V. Klitschko 1 year: Kirk Johnson, Sanders, Williams(TD), Peter, Gomez, Arreola, Kevin Johnson, Solis, Briggs (NC*)

W. Klitschko 2 years: Byrd (x2), McCline, Peter, Brock, Brewster, Ibragimov, Thompson, Rahman
(NC*), Chagaev, Chambers (td)

Langford: Jeanette (x, Ross, Flynn (x2), Schreck, Ketchel, Lang, Mcvea(x4), D. Flynn, Smith, Wills (x2), Norfolk, Battling Jim Johnson (x2)

Wills: Langford (x9), Mcvea, Jeanette, Fulton, Firpo, Weinert

Jeanette: Johnson, Mcvea (x2), Ferguson (x2), D. Flynn, Ross, Jim Johnson (x4), Carpentier, Pelkey, Langford (x2), Norfolk (x2)

Mcvea: Carter, Martin, Jeanette, Langford (x2), Pelkey, Jim Johnson, Wills (x2)

[lufcrazy]

Pre 1930 the guys listed are based mainly off matt d's rankings and before them it's guys who were considered legitimate challengers.

It only includes top ten opponents at the time, so for purposes of ring year rankings it's either the year before or the year after.

I know it's not a comprehensive any time top ten but it's a start if you guys are still interested? I might do it myself yet if noone else volunteers.

[lufcrazy]

to hell with it, I'm awake now and I have the summer off.

I'll see if I can do a list based on the ts's criteria

win-lose-draw against an opponent how was ranked in the top 10 at any time.

I'll do everything post 1930 and then just for the fun of it I'll update my records on the old timers.

see you in a few days or so!

[bodhi]

Already great work, luc, looking forward to the result. Will be interesting. Could you do the same for lw, ww and mw afterwards? :D

[lufcrazy]

Already great work, luc, looking forward to the result. Will be interesting. Could you do the same for lw, ww and mw afterwards? :D

Haha maybe one day lmao

Yeah i'm obsessed with heavyweight history so I love doing things like this.

Working backwards i've just done tyson. It's taking a while because i'm having to check for guys who slipped in the monthly ratings for example jesse ferguson etc.

I'll post the results I get up to when I have to leave then i'll finish it off tomorrow hopefully.

Things like this get me well psyched for boxing which is great considering the amount of fights this saturday! Plus i've finally entered the top 100 on fightnight so everything boxing related is going good atm haha

[lufcrazy]

ok, I've done down until Patterson. Where possibly I've included guys who entered the monthly rankings. The number in brackets after the resume is how many opponents they faced who were in the top 10 at some point during their careers. It's surprising how good Wlad does in all of this. Just looking at Al;i's top 10 resume also, it's phenomenal. I've not done Louis yet, I'll finish the list off when I get back from playing (hopefully winning) poker.



Wladimir Klitschko 18-2-0 (15)
Schulz, Jackson, Barret, Byrd (x2), Jefferson, Botha, Mercer, McCline, Sanders, Brewster (x2), Peter (x2), Brock, Ibragimov, Thompson, Rahman, Chagaev, Chambers (17)

Vitali Klitschko 11-2-0 (9)
Hide, Byrd, Norris, Lewis, Johnson, Sanders, Williams, Peter, Gomez, Arreola, Johnson, Briggs, Solis (13)

Hasim Rahman 5-7-2 (3)
Berbick, Tua (x2), Ferguson Maskaev (x2), Sanders, Lewis (x2), Holyfield, Ruiz, Barret, Toney, W. Klitschko (10)

Lennox Lewis 21-2-1 (16)
Mason, Weaver, Biggs, Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno, Jackson, McCall (x2), Butler, Morrison, Mercer, Akinwande, Golota, Briggs, Holyfield (x2), Grant, Botha, Tua, Rahman (x2), Tyson, V. Klitschko (21)

Shannon Briggs 4-4-1 (3)
Ellis, Foreman, Lewis, Botha, McCline, Mercer, Lyakhovic, Ibragimov, V. Klitschko (9)

Michael Moorer 4-3-0 (2)
Cooper, Smith, Holyfield (x2), Foreman, Schulz, Botha, Tua (7)

Riddick Bowe 13-1-0 (11)
Butler, Thomas, Cooper, Biggs, Tubbs, Seldon, Holyfield (x3), Dokes, Ferguson, Hide, Gonzalez, Golota (x2) (12)

Evander Holyfield 17-8-2 (9)
Tillis, Thomas, Dokes, Rodrigues, Douglas, Foreman, Cooper, Holmes, Bowe (x3), Moorer (x2), Mercer, Tyson (x2), Lewis (x2), Ruiz (x3), Rahman, Byrd, Toney, Oquendo, Ibragimov, Valuev, Botha. (21)

Buster Douglas 5-4-0 (1)
Bey, Cobb, Ferguson, Page, Tucker, Berbick, McCall, Tyson, Holyfield, (8.)


Mike Tyson 17-5-0 (13)
Ferguson, Tillis, Berbick, Smith, Thomas, Tucker, Biggs, Holmes, Tubbs, M.Spinks, Bruno (x2), Williams, Douglas, Ruddock (x2), Seldon, Holyfield (x2), Botha, Lewis, Williams (19)

Michael Spinks 3-1-0 (1)
Holmes (x2), Cooney, Tyson (3)

Larry Holmes 22-5-0 (15)
Shavers(x2), Norton, Avengelisto, Occasio, Zanon, Jones, LeDoux, Ali, Berbick, L.Spinks, Snipes, Cooney, Cobb, Witherspoon, Smith (x2), Bey, Williams, M.Spinks (x2), Tyson, Mercer, Holyfield, Ferguson, McCall, Weaver (24)

Leon Spinks 3-4-1 (2)
LeDoux, Ali (x2), Coatzee, Evangelista, Mercado, Holmes, Cobb (7)

George Foreman 14-5-0 (12)
Chuvalo, Peralta (x2), Frazier (x2), Norton, Ali, Lyle, LeDoux, Young, Cooper, Cooney, Rodrigues, Holyfield, Ellis, Morrison, Moorer, Schulz, Briggs (17)

Joe Frazier 13-4-0 (8.)
Bonavena (x2), Machen, Daniels, Jones, Chuvalo, Ramos, Quarry (x2), Ellis (x2) , Ali (x3), Foreman (x2), Bugner, (11)

Muhammed Ali 34-5-0 (20)
Daniels, Moore, Jones, Cooper (x2), Liston (x2), Patterson (x2), Chuvalo (x2), London, Mildenberger, Williams, Terrell, Folley, Quarry (x2), Bonavena, Frazier(x3), Ellis, Foster, Bugner (x2), Norton (x3), Foreman, Wepner, Lyle, Young, Evangelista, Shavers, Spinks (x2), Holmes, Berbick (28.)

Sonny Liston 16-2-0 (14)
Summerlin (x2), Bethea, Hunter, DeJohn, Williams (x2), Valdes, Harris, Folley, Machen, Patterson (x2), Ali (x2), Rischer, Lincoln, Wepner (14)

Ingo Johanneson 7-2-0 (6)
Cooper, Erskine, Neuhaus, Machen, Patterson (x3), Richardson, London (7)

Floyd Patterson 11-7-1 (8.)
Slade, Jackson (x2), Moore, Harris, London, Johanneson (x3), Liston (x2), Machen, Chuvalo, Ali (x2), Cooper, Quarry (x2), Ellis, Bonavena (14)

[lufcrazy]

I've almost finished now. Getting into the earlier champs i've included notable contenders before the ring started, mainly with the use of Matt D's rankings plus anything I can dig up myself, but I've clearly highlighted these guys.

final results will be up shortly, just finishing Schmelling and Sharkey off now.

[lufcrazy]

Rocky Marciano 11-0-0 (9)

Muscato, La Starza (x2), Layne, Beshore, Louis, Savold, Matthews, Walcott (x2), Charles (x2), Cockell, Moore (11)

Joe Walcott 13-10-0 (5)

Ray (x3), Simon, Baksi, Murray, Bivins, Oma, Gomez, Maxim (x3), Louis (x2), Charles (x4), Agramonte, Johnson, Layne, Marciano (x2) (14)

Ezzard Charles 26-12-0 (11)

Maxim (x5), Bivins (x4), Ray (x2), Baksi, Walcott (x4), Valentino, Beshore, Louis, Oma, Layne (x3), Kahut, Brion, Harrison, Valdes, Wallace, Sattersfield, Marciano (x2), Holman (x2), Jackson (x2), Young Johnson, Bethea, McMurty, Richardson, Logan (24)

Joe Louis 44-3-0 (32)

Pareda, Massare, Ramage (x2), Perroni, Brown (x2), Reztlaff, Carnera, Levinski, Baer, Uzcudun, Schmelling (x2), Sharkey, Attore, Pastor (x2), Braddock, Farr, Mann, Galento, Paycheck, Godoy (x2), Burman, Dorazio, Simon (x2), Musto, Baer (x2), Conn (x2), Nova, Mauriello, Walcott (x2), Charles, Brion (x2), Beshore, Agoramante (x2), Savold, Bivins, Marciano (36)

James Braddock 3-5-0 (0)

Rosenbloom, Schaaf, Ettore, Reztlaff, Lasky, Baer, Louis, Farr (8.)

Max Baer 10-9-0 (7)

Brown, Schaaf (x2), Heeney (x2), Loughran, Risko (x2), Uzcudun, Levinski (x3), Griffiths, Schmelling, Carnera, Braddock, Louis, Farr (x2), Nova (x2), Galento, Comiskey (16)

Primo Carnera 13-9-0 (6)

Stribling (x2), Godfrey, Maloney (x2) Uzcudun (x2), Gorman, Sharkey (x2), Levinski (x2), Gains, Poreda, Lasky, Schaaf, Loughran, Baer, Louis, Neusel, Haynes (16)


Jack Sharkey 17-12-2 (5)

Weinert (x2), Johnson, Renault, Rojas, Gorman (x2), Risko (x2), Maloney (x2), Godfrey, Wills, Dempsey, Heeney, Delaney, De Kuh, Stribling, Loughran (x2), Scott, Schmelling (x2), Walker, Carnera (x2), Levinski, Winston, Louis (22)

Max Schemlling 9-6-1 (6)

Gains, Risko, Uzcudun (x3), Sharkey (x2), Stribling, Walker, Baer, Hamas (x2), Neusel (x2), Louis (x2) (10)

[Kalasinn]

I still feel that Tyson deserves his wins against Norris & Golota...

[lufcrazy]

I still feel that Tyson deserves his wins against Norris & Golota...

I was very tempted to include them as well, maybe a side note should be placed?

I mean at the end of the day, they aren't actual wins although them performance did lead to his still high ranking

dunno?

[Kalasinn]

I was very tempted to include them as well, maybe a side note should be placed?

I mean at the end of the day, they aren't actual wins although them performance did lead to his still high ranking

dunno?

Well they are not officially "wins" according to the commision, but...

The Golota fight was a TKO2 when Golota quit with a broken cheekbone, why should Tyson lose his stoppage victory just because he smoked a bit of weed? :huh

Tyson was clearly beating Norris, then accidently KO'd with him a punch on the bell. Even Holyfield defended Tyson, saying it's very hard to hear a quiet bell in a loud stadium of screaming fans. Plus Norris cowardly faked a knee injury like a scared little bitch.

I would include both as wins, with a side note.

[lufcrazy]

Well they are not officially "wins" according to the commision, but...

The Golota fight was a TKO2 when Golota quit, why should Tyson lose his victory just because he smoked a bit of weed? :huh

Tyson was clearing beating Norris, then accidently KO'd with him a punch on the bell. Even Holyfield defended Tyson, saying it's very hard to hear a quiet bell in a loud stadium of screaming fans. Plus Norris cowardly faked a knee injury like a scared little bitch.

I would include both as wins, with a side note.

well decisions like that are above my paygrade :verysad:verysad

we can't rewrite history, ofcourse whe considering atg rankings we can go off performance so I do take them into account. which is why i've recently moved tyson above frazier.

but for the purpose of this, i was just going win-lose-draw. if you wanna go through and look for nc's as well be my guest :good

[lufcrazy]

Wow great research luf!

[bodhi]

Wow great research luf!

:lol: :thumbsup

[lufcrazy]

:lol: :thumbsup

Haha thanks :good

[ChrisPontius]

Somehow I missed this.. great work Lufcrazy! I think it's worth making a new thread about it, many people will miss it this way. :good

I remember when OLD FOGEY started this thread back in 2007... I'm starting to feel old.


Some of those starts are surprising.. Ali's 34-5 and Louis' 44-3 are sick. Goes to show why they're a lock for the top2, followed by the rest.

[GPater11093]

Really interesting stuff, both Old Fogey and Luf

[Boilermaker]

Johnson, Jeffries and Fitz, using this system would be very, very interesting. As would Langford, Wills, McVey and Jeanette.

[lufcrazy]

Johnson, Jeffries and Fitz, using this system would be very, very interesting. As would Langford, Wills, McVey and Jeanette.

That is my intention.

I have all of matt d's rankings as well as enough old clippings to last a lifetime. I intend to do from sullivan to tunney as well as the notable coloured champions.

Once i've completed them i'll post all the results together in a new thread but until then i'll update them on here as I do them.

[lufcrazy]

Somehow I missed this.. great work Lufcrazy! I think it's worth making a new thread about it, many people will miss it this way. :good

I remember when OLD FOGEY started this thread back in 2007... I'm starting to feel old.


Some of those starts are surprising.. Ali's 34-5 and Louis' 44-3 are sick. Goes to show why they're a lock for the top2, followed by the rest.

Thank you.

Once i've completed the research i'll create a new thread. I still want to do from john l until gene as well as the great coloured champions. I'll keep updating on here until i've completed it.

[The Mongoose]

I love this stuff. Been trying to get a list like this together for a while myself but hell, I'm barely even on the boards anymore. Great great work.

Also, I told you guys Ezzard Charles wuz 4 realz at Heavyweight.

[lufcrazy]

I love this stuff. Been trying to get a list like this together for a while myself but hell, I'm barely even on the boards anymore. Great great work.

Also, I told you guys Ezzard Charles wuz 4 realz at Heavyweight.

Thanks.

Mos def, couldn't believe his heavyweight resume considering what he'd already achieved at lower weights.

[bodhi]

I love this stuff. Been trying to get a list like this together for a while myself but hell, I'm barely even on the boards anymore. Great great work.

Also, I told you guys Ezzard Charles wuz 4 realz at Heavyweight.

Not only Charles but also other lhws like Loughran, Moore, H. Johnson, they´ve got superb hw resumes with more 30+ fights and most of them at least against fringe contenders but never get taken seriously as hws. Sadly.

[lufcrazy]

Not only Charles but also other lhws like Loughran, Moore, H. Johnson, they´ve got superb hw resumes with more 30+ fights and most of them at least against fringe contenders but never get taken seriously as hws. Sadly.

Even before then, guys like choynski and fitzsimmons.

There seems to be considerable number of light heavy's stepping up and beating a number of contenders losing only to the champ and the resume they amass gets overlooked.

[bodhi]

Even before then, guys like choynski and fitzsimmons.

There seems to be considerable number of light heavy's stepping up and beating a number of contenders losing only to the champ and the resume they amass gets overlooked.

When Choinsky was around the lhw division didn´t exist, he was a hw. Similar for Fitz but he was able to fight at the lhw division since it came into existence during the latter part of his career. But yeah, you are right. Those fighters are too often written of as "blown-up" lhws. :-(

[lufcrazy]

When Choinsky was around the lhw division didn´t exist, he was a hw. Similar for Fitz but he was able to fight at the lhw division since it came into existence during the latter part of his career. But yeah, you are right. Those fighters are too often written of as "blown-up" lhws. :-(

Both began at middleweight from what I can gather and I imagine had the lhw division been created sooner they'd have campaigned there but obviously I can never prove that.

Yeah too often it does get said and it's disrespectful to the heavyweights of the day that got defeated by these so called lightheavyweights.

[The Mongoose]

Not only Charles but also other lhws like Loughran, Moore, H. Johnson, they´ve got superb hw resumes with more 30+ fights and most of them at least against fringe contenders but never get taken seriously as hws. Sadly.

In their last meeting, I'd say Moore and H. Johnson was really fighting for the #1 Heavyweight spot despite RING still only ranking them as LHW. Between the two fo them they were coming off wins over every top contender in Valdez, Charles, Satterfield, Baker, and Maxim.

[lufcrazy]

Ok I've now done from tunney down using Matt D's rankings and clippings I can find to see who notable contenders were. Also used CBZ's bio pagea and cox's corner as well. Just incase anyone wants to cross reference my stuff, here are matt d's rankings

1892

Champion Corbett
2. Jackson
3. Goddard
4. Slavin
5. Choynski
6. Fitzsimmons
7. Hall
8. Godfrey
9. McAuliffe
10. Kilrain


1893

Champion Corbett
2. Jackson
3. Fitzsimmons
4. Denver Smith
5. Hall
6. Goddard
7. Slavin
8. Choynski
9. McAuliffe
10. Godfrey

1894

Champion Corbett
2. Jackson
3. Fitzsimmons
4. Smith
5. Choynski
6. Maher
7. Goddard
8. Hall
9. Slavin
10. Godfrey

1895

Champion Maher
2. Fitzsimmons
3. Jackson
4. Slavin
5. Smith
6. Choynski
7. Felix
8. Hall
9. Creedon
10. O’Donnell

1896

Champion Corbett
2. Fitzsimmons
3 Maher
4. Choynski
5. Sharkey
6. Armstrong
7. Creedon
8. Goddard
9. Ruhlin
10. O’Donnell


1897

Champion Fitzsimmons
2. Maher
3. Sharkey
4. Choynski
5. Childs
6. Corbett
7. Ruhlin
8. Jeffries
9. O’Donnell
10. Armstrong

1898

Champion Fitzsimmons
2. Jeffries
3. Sharkey
4. Maher
5. Corbett
6. McCoy
7. Ruhlin
8. Childs
9. Armstrong
10. Choynski

1899

Champion Jeffries
2. Sharkey
3. Fitxsimmons
4. Maher
5. McCoy
6. Corbett
7. Kennedy
8. Ruhlin
9. Childs
10. Martin


1900

Champion Jeffries
2 Fitzsimmons
3 Corbett
4 McCoy
5 Ruhlin
6 Sharkey
7 Childs
8 Maher
9 Kennedy
10 Martin

1901

Champion Jeffries
2 Ruhlin
3 McCoy
4 Childs
5 Sharkey
6 Root
7 Martin
8 Maher
9 Griffin
10 Gardner

1902

Champion Jeffries
2 Fitzsimmons
3 Ruhlin
4 Martin
5 Johnson
6 Gardner
7 O’Brien
8 Root
9 Hart
10 Carter

1903

Champion Jeffries
2 Fitzsimmons
3 Johnson
4 Ruhlin
5 Gardner
6 Root
7 Hart
8 O’Brien
9 Armstrong
10 McVey

1904

Champion Jeffries
2 Johnson
3 Hart
4 Root
5 O’Brien
6 Gardner
7 Ruhlin
8 Ferguson
9 Martin
10 McVey

1905

Champion Hart
2 Johnson
3 O’Brien
4 Jeanette
5 Root
6 Fitzsimmons
7 Ruhlin
8 Kaufman
9 J Twin Sullivan
10 Schreck

1906

Champion Burns
2 Johnson
3 O’Brien
4 Langford
5 Jeanette
6 McVey
7 Kaufman
8 Schreck
9 Hart
10 Ruhlin

1907

Champion Burns
2 Johnson
3 Kaufman
4 Langford
5 Jeanette
6 McVey
7 O’Brien
8 Schreck
9 Jim Flynn
10 Sullivan

1908

Champion Johnson
2 Langford
3 Kaufman
4 Burns
5 Jeanette
6 McVey
7 O’Brien
8 Hart
9 Ross
10 Schreck

1909

Champion Johnson
2 Langford
3 Jeanette
4 McVey
5 Kaufman
6 Ketchell
7 O’Brien
8 Ferguson
9 Lang
10 Schreck

1910

Champion Johnson
2 Langford
3 Jeanette
4 McVey
5 Kaufman
6 Burns
7 Lang
8 Jim Flynn
9 Dan Flynn
10 Curran

1911

champion Johnson
2 McVey
3 Langford
4 Jeanette
5 Wells
6 Jim Flynn
7 Al Palzar
8 Carl Morris
9 Dan Flynn
10 Clarke

1912

Champion Johnson
2 Langford
3 Jeanette
4 McVey
5 Gunboat Smith
6 Willard
7 Ross
8 Mc Carthy
9 Jim Flynn
10 Palzar

1913

Champion Johnson
2 Smith
3 Langford
4 Jeanette
5 McVey
6 Jim Johnson
7 Pelkey
8 Willard
9 Moran
10 Carpentier

1914

Champion Johnson
2 Langford
3 Jeanette
4 McVey
5 Carpentier
6 Clarke
7 Dillon
8 Wills
9 Levinsky
10 Coffey

1915

Champion Willard
2 Johnson
3 Moran
4 Dillon
5 Wills
6 McVey
7 Jeanette
8 coffey
9 Langford
10 Morris

1916

CHAMPION Willard
2 Wills
3 Miske
4 Dillon
5 Morris
6 Levinsky
7 Moran
8 Weinert
9 McVey
10 Jeanette

1917

Champion Willard
2 Wills
3 Fulton
4 Langford
5 Norfolk
6 Miske
7 Greb
8 Dempsey
9 Jeanette
10 Gibbons



1918

Champion Willard
2 Wills
3 Dempsey
4 Fulton
5 Gibbons
6 Greb
7 Miske
8 Meehan
9 Madden
10 Jeanette

1919

Champion Dempsey
2 Wills
3 Fulton
4 Greb
5 Gibbons
6 Carpentier
7 Miske
8 Johnson
9 Norfolk
10 Brennan

1920

Champion Dempsey
2 Wills
3 Fulton
4 Greb
5 Gibbons
6 Carpentier
7 Miske
8 Norfolk
9 Tunney
10 Weinert

1921

Champion Dempsey
2 Wills
3 Fulton
4 Gibbons
5 Tunney
6 Carpentier
7 Miske
8 Greb
9 Beckett
10 Brennan

1922

Champion Dempsey
2 Wills
3 Greb
4 Gibbons
5 Miske
6 Tunney
7 F.Johnson
8 Brennan
9 Beckett
10 Carpentier

1923

Champion Dempsey
2 Wills
3 Firpo
4 Tunney
5 Carpentier
6 Miske
7 Gibbons
8 Greb
9 Renault
10 F.Johnson

[lufcrazy]

now here are the resume breakdowns I could find, obviously the earlier we go the more erroneuos it can get with conflicting reports etc, and boxrec this early on is increasingly more unreliabe. But this is the best I could do.

Gene Tunney 9-0-0 (4)
Weinert (x2), Spalla, Greb, Gibbons, Risko, Dempsey (x2), Heeney (7)

Dempsey 21-5-3 (13)
J. Flynn (x2), Meehan (x5), Smith (x2), Morris (x3), Brennan (x2), Miske (x3), Pelkey, D. Flynn (x2), Fulton, Levinski, Willard, Carpentier, Gibbons, Firpo, Tunney (x2), Sharkey (16)

Willard 5-3-1 (2)
Pelkey, McCarthy, Smith, Morris, J. Johnson, Moran, Dempsey, F. Johnson, Firpo (9)

Johnson 27-5-5 (7)
Choynski, Griffin (x3), Childs (x2), Gardner, Martin (x2), McVey (x3), Ferguson (x4), Hart, Jeanette (x7), Langford, Fitzsimmons, Felix, J. Flynn (x2), Burns, Ross, Kaufman, Ketchel, Jeffries, Jim Johnson, Moran, Willard (21)

Burns 5-2-2 (3)
Hart, Flynn, O’Brien (x2), Lang (x2), J.Johnson, Pelkey, Beckett (7)

Hart 8-5-3 (3)
Choynski, Carter, Gardner, Ferguson, Ruhlin (x2), J.Johnson, Root, Burns, Schrek (x3), Maher, Twin Sullivan, Ross, Morris (12)

Jeffries 12-1-2 (9)
Griffin (x2), Ruhlin (x2), Choynski, Goddard. Jackson, Sharkey (x2), Fitzsimmons (x2), Corbett (x2), Kennedy, J.Johnson (10)

Fitzsimmons 5-5-0 (5)
Maher, Sharkey (x2), Corbett, Jeffries (x2), Ruhlin, O’Brien, Johnson, Lang (8)

Corbett 7-4-2 (5)
Donaldson, Choynski, Kilrain, McCaffrey, Sullivan, Mitchell, Sharkey (x2), Fitzsimmons, McCoy, Jackson, Jeffries (x2) (11)

Sullivan 7-1-3 (5)
Donaldson, Dalton, Ryan (x2), Elliot, Mitchell, Slade, Mcaffrey, Kilrain, Burke, Corbett (10)

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corbett pleasantly surprised me actually, i never realised how great he looked up until the fitz loss at age 31.

will have to seriously rethink my ranking of him

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i'll be doing the legendary couloured champions next: wills, jeanette, mcvea and langford. This will take me quite a long time I imagine so I'll update it again on here once I've done.

Upon finalising these 4 I might make a new thread with all the results on it but I'm not too sure yet...