7,000 Manny Pac..!

[Primadonna Kool]

Ariza said the only thing Pacquiao uses for his strength is hard work, a 7,000-calorie-a-day diet and approved supplements, which Ariza gives him.

Manny Pac consumes 7,000 Cals..?

Is this for real..?

Thats a body Builders diet right..?

I just find it hard to believe that such a small man, consumes so much.

And i know all about the cals in and out dance..!

[Sprint]

It is plausible. When training two or three times a day at such great intensity, he would require a much greater than 'normal' calorie intake. I remember the recent news buzz caused when it was revealed that whilst training, Michael Phelps would consume around 12,000 calories a day so as to avoid losing weight.

[Mazallan]

That is amazing.

[Primadonna Kool]

It is plausible. When training two or three times a day at such great intensity, he would require a much greater than 'normal' calorie intake. I remember the recent news buzz caused when it was revealed that whilst training, Michael Phelps would consume around 12,000 calories a day so as to avoid losing weight.

Yeh man, it makes sense.

I try not to pay any attention to this cal intake shit, your body will tell you what it needs....! yes i also heard that about Michael Phelps aswell..!

[pathmanc1986]

its not as crazy as you may think




the phelps example shows this 12,000 is insane but he cannot afford to lose the muscle with the endurance training

the pacman may also have a high metabolism and judging by his body shape and condition hes one of those guys that wouldnt get fat even if he just lay about on his ass eating. the amount of energy he would burn up in training is huge



i would be interested in knowing what wlad klits calorie intake whilst in training is?


id venture to say that while in high intensity training in order for him to retain his muscle mass he would be near 15,000 a day if phelps is on 12. now thats crazy

[Dunky McCafferty]

7000 calories a day, & 4 hour straight work outs, followed by a beating with bamboo sticks, hes a crazee little man:D

Alex Arthur consumes 6000 calories a day when he trains from what I remember, I think its pretty commonplace nowadays to train in this way.

[Top Dog]

7000 calories a day, & 4 hour straight work outs, followed by a beating with bamboo sticks, hes a crazee little man:D

Alex Arthur consumes 6000 calories a day when he trains from what I remember, I think its pretty commonplace nowadays to train in this way.

I wouldnt believe AA takes 6000kcal a day, I've read loads of stuff he's came out and thought it was total cack

[KERRZO]

Im sure AA said when he was tryin 2 make SFW he was only havin 1000 cals a day

[brown bomber]

Jeez.... they clearly know what they're doing he's the best conditioned fighter in the sport right now.

[Primadonna Kool]

Jeez.... they clearly know what they're doing he's the best conditioned fighter in the sport right now.

Do you think he is on steriods..?

[brown bomber]

Do you think he is on steriods..? Not sure, he's in incredible shape. What do you think? I think that 99% of top MMA guys are on growth- not sure with boxing, i'm not familiar with the drug testing methods etc... Jones, Mosley both had very similar bodies to Pac.... I wouldn't be surprised of he was on a cocktail of supplements. Creatine etc are so common now, its harder to find boxers who don't take it.

Do you have a breakdown of his training routine?

[TFFP]

Wow, thats pretty crazy. I would't say its out of question with intense training though.

[Dunky McCafferty]

I wouldnt believe AA takes 6000kcal a day, I've read loads of stuff he's came out and thought it was total cack

I know what ya mean TD, Alex Arthur says one thing one day, & the opposite the next!
Hes always been a conundrum.

As long as he beats Nigel Wright, I dont care if he eats 10 billion calories a day, just as long as he gets the job done & gets back into the title mix:D

[Davro]

It's almost certainly true.

Pacquiao's natural size and weight is not 147lbs - he has a much smaller frame. He has to eat that much and train with such intensity to develop his muscles in order to jump weight divisions. Look at some of the photos mid fight when all his muscles are tensed - it's frightening.

It is to all intents and purposes body building needing a high protein diet.

I would imagine Floyd had a similar high calorie intake for when he fought Oscar at 154 lbs.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Im sure AA said when he was tryin 2 make SFW he was only havin 1000 cals a day

Arthur should have moved up YEARS ago. Its been obvious for such a long time that Arthur was dead at the weight. Im very confident that now Alex is fighting at a healthy weight, we are finally going to see the best of him, all these years after he exploded on the scene as a spotty faced youngster.
I could be wrong, but my gut feeling is that theres a final chapter in Arthurs roller coaster career ready for the writing, & it just might have a happy ending!

[Dunky McCafferty]

anyway folks, sorry for hijacking the thread a bit. Back to the Pac man dietary debate:good

[Primadonna Kool]

Not sure, he's in incredible shape. What do you think? I think that 99% of top MMA guys are on growth- not sure with boxing, i'm not familiar with the drug testing methods etc... Jones, Mosley both had very similar bodies to Pac.... I wouldn't be surprised of he was on a cocktail of supplements. Creatine etc are so common now, its harder to find boxers who don't take it.

Do you have a breakdown of his training routine?

Well...


Many steroids have clearing times, and by the time of a boxing match. Athlete's would not be taking steroids, because steroids are not stimulants. They are for growth and repair..! bionic.

I hate to be a critic, but after the Cotto fight. I thought to myself, something is wrong here. I sent my friend a message on facey, underlining my concern.

How does a man, who at two weight division below welter weight. Was being bounced around the ring, by fighters who aren't half the puncher Miguel Cotto was, or Ricky Hatton was..???

It was alarming how he brushed off Miguel Cotto's shots......its just alarming...not only that side of his performances but other factors aswell.

Manny Pac is a good man, but he does not seem clued up about steroids. When he was saying..

"I don't even know what steroids are, or what colour they are"

This just makes him look very, uneducated. In sport as a athlete you must know your trade and be clued up about shit...


Manny Pac could well be on steriods, and they will never find out. Because in boxing, they only test for certain things, and also Jeff..."There is not test that can detect Growth Hormone"

Its a pretty shitty steriods anyway for athlete's who want to improve performance. You will get bigger but thats about it, you will gain mass which is not functional..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is a shit and pointless steroid for boxers..! maybe in combination with other drugs it will be ok, remember Dwain Chambers was on 7 steriods at once man..! 7.!!! their are tones man. One of they was Growth Hormone..! he was 5"11 but went to a weight around 200 pounds, which was not good for his power to weight ratio.


Growth Hormone, just makes your body gain, non functional mass.!!


Obv other things it does, but ive not got all day.

[Primadonna Kool]

It's almost certainly true.

Pacquiao's natural size and weight is not 147lbs - he has a much smaller frame. He has to eat that much and train with such intensity to develop his muscles in order to jump weight divisions. Look at some of the photos mid fight when all his muscles are tensed - it's frightening.

It is to all intents and purposes body building needing a high protein diet.

I would imagine Floyd had a similar high calorie intake for when he fought Oscar at 154 lbs.

Also get the sterotype of size, out of your head. Anyone can gain mass, whats alarming about Manny Pac..is his performances, and the manner...!

[Primadonna Kool]

Well...


Many steroids have clearing times, and by the time of a boxing match. Athlete's would not be taking steroids, because steroids are not stimulants. They are for growth and repair..! bionic.

I hate to be a critic, but after the Cotto fight. I thought to myself, something is wrong here. I sent my friend a message on facey, underlining my concern.

How does a man, who at two weight division below welter weight. Was being bounced around the ring, by fighters who aren't half the puncher Miguel Cotto was, or Ricky Hatton was..???

It was alarming how he brushed off Miguel Cotto's shots......its just alarming...not only that side of his performances but other factors aswell.

Manny Pac is a good man, but he does not seem clued up about steroids. When he was saying..

"I don't even know what steroids are, or what colour they are"

This just makes him look very, uneducated. In sport as a athlete you must know your trade and be clued up about shit...


Manny Pac could well be on steriods, and they will never find out. Because in boxing, they only test for certain things, and also Jeff..."There is not test that can detect Growth Hormone"

Its a pretty shitty steriods anyway for athlete's who want to improve performance. You will get bigger but thats about it, you will gain mass which is not functional..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is a shit and pointless steroid for boxers..! maybe in combination with other drugs it will be ok, remember Dwain Chambers was on 7 steriods at once man..! 7.!!! their are tones man. One of they was Growth Hormone..! he was 5"11 but went to a weight around 200 pounds, which was not good for his power to weight ratio.


Growth Hormone, just makes your body gain, non functional mass.!!


Obv other things it does, but ive not got all day.

Also Boxing has very weak drug testing..

Its not as simple as just: pissing in a cup before a fight.

To test for each individual steriod, you have to carry out different test.

This cost allot of money.

Do boxers have ramdom drug testing..? I don't know..

In boxing they porb only test for certain drugs, because they cannot be bother, with putting the time and money into drug testing.

Asafa Powell in the week leading up to the Olympics, was tested 5 times in one week.

"Five blood samples"

[Maza1987]

is boxing signed up to the WADA code?

[Primadonna Kool]

is boxing signed up to the WADA code?

Not sure yano...

[Pug1list]

I doubt he consumes 7000 calories a day, at that rate he would be putting on approx 8lbs a week.

[Top Dog]

I know what ya mean TD, Alex Arthur says one thing one day, & the opposite the next!
Hes always been a conundrum.

As long as he beats Nigel Wright, I dont care if he eats 10 billion calories a day, just as long as he gets the job done & gets back into the title mix:D

Yep I'm right with you there bro! Not an easy fight to be honest, but if he gets a good result he has a chance

[Top Dog]

Arthur should have moved up YEARS ago. Its been obvious for such a long time that Arthur was dead at the weight. Im very confident that now Alex is fighting at a healthy weight, we are finally going to see the best of him, all these years after he exploded on the scene as a spotty faced youngster.
I could be wrong, but my gut feeling is that theres a final chapter in Arthurs roller coaster career ready for the writing, & it just might have a happy ending!


Totally right mate, even if AA was taking 1000kcals a day as he says , it aint good for you, make you ill in the long run, big time

[Top Dog]

I doubt he consumes 7000 calories a day, at that rate he would be putting on approx 8lbs a week.



What are you on about mate, how on earth do you reckon that??
The whole point is he will us it during training and recovery.

He aint on steroids:patsch Stupid rumour started by Mayweather snr I.M.O.
When Manny was tiny he got stopped cause he was obviously struggling weight wise, thats why he got stopped, now he is heavy his chin is solid, Cotto couldnt dent him. He is just putting on weight/size with PROPER strength and conditioning, and supplementation. The americans are way ahead of us in both, trust me on that one

[Pug1list]

What are you on about mate, how on earth do you reckon that??
The whole point is he will us it during training and recovery.

He aint on steroids:patsch Stupid rumour started by Mayweather snr I.M.O.
When Manny was tiny he got stopped cause he was obviously struggling weight wise, thats why he got stopped, now he is heavy his chin is solid, Cotto couldnt dent him. He is just putting on weight/size with PROPER strength and conditioning, and supplementation. The americans are way ahead of us in both, trust me on that one

An average persons maintenance is around 2300 calories a day, he would have to work out intensely for 8+ hours a day to burn close to 7000 calories a day, i doubt even he manages that. Most of the excess calories would be stored as fat, as you can't build muscle that quick.

[Top Dog]

An average persons maintenance is around 2300 calories a day, he would have to work out intensely for 8+ hours a day to burn close to 7000 calories a day, i doubt even he manages that. Most of the excess calories would be stored as fat, as you can't build muscle that quick.

Whilst you are correct in saying the AVERAGE person needs arounds 2300 kcals as day, let be honest he is far from normal is he?! And you wouldnt need to exercise 8 hours a day to go throught that amount, cause his standing burning rate would be WAY higher than average, think of more in the lines of the avarage guy having a burning rate like a wee pishy coal fire, Manny Pac big fuck off turbo charger fire. After all the guy is a machine:good

[ero-sennin]

Whilst you are correct in saying the AVERAGE person needs arounds 2300 kcals as day, let be honest he is far from normal is he?! And you wouldnt need to exercise 8 hours a day to go throught that amount, cause his standing burning rate would be WAY higher than average, think of more in the lines of the avarage guy having a burning rate like a wee pishy coal fire, Manny Pac big fuck off turbo charger fire. After all the guy is a machine:good


you're correct but it's still hard to fathom. I would've thought it would be something like 4500 cals for him but 7000!. All I know is the mothefucker trains even harder than I thought, and I thought he trained like a crazy dude.

[codeye]

i want to see valuevs cal intake

[Top Dog]

you're correct but it's still hard to fathom. I would've thought it would be something like 4500 cals for him but 7000!. All I know is the mothefucker trains even harder than I thought, and I thought he trained like a crazy dude.

There are even average folk with huge burning rate, I weigh 96kgs, my missus is less than 60kgs, she eats the same as me but doesnt put on any weight ever, I take an extra slice of cheese, boom, big ass:lol: Ok, exaggerating a bit but you know what I mean. Yeah he trains like a beast

[izmat]

I'm not sure why people are so shocked by Pacman carrying over his power and speed. I think he was really draining himself at the lower weights and probably explains why he was getting knocked down/out in his earlier fights. In some of his early weigh in pics he was extremely ripped and looked like he had bodybuilders level of bodyfat!

[ero-sennin]

There are even average folk with huge burning rate, I weigh 96kgs, my missus is less than 60kgs, she eats the same as me but doesnt put on any weight ever, I take an extra slice of cheese, boom, big ass:lol: Ok, exaggerating a bit but you know what I mean. Yeah he trains like a beast


I've got a cousin who drinks like a motherfucker, I'm telling you, I'm still on my 2nd drink and this guys downed 7-8 pints, and he's as slim as me, no beer belly, nothing. While I drink about a couple of times a month, this guy is drinking like 3-4 times a week, and he doesn't exactly hold back either:lol:

I'm an ectomorph myself and don't have to worry too much about blowing up in weight but this guy is something else. Alcohol is very calorie dense too. I'm not sure what would happen to me if I drank as much as him.

[izmat]

I am impressed by the strength and conditioning work that Ariza had done with the Pacman.
If you look at Pac, he has big calves and well developed leg muscles (for the explosive power and footwork in the legs) whilst his upperbody has less muscle mass for fast punching!

[Pug1list]

Have to take into account Manny is a genetic freak, the 7000 calorie diet doesn't seem to work for Ricky.

[izmat]

Have to take into account Manny is a genetic freak, the 7000 calorie diet doesn't seem to work for Ricky.


But Hatton is having calories from a different source compared to Manny

[Top Dog]

I've got a cousin who drinks like a motherfucker, I'm telling you, I'm still on my 2nd drink and this guys downed 7-8 pints, and he's as slim as me, no beer belly, nothing. While I drink about a couple of times a month, this guy is drinking like 3-4 times a week, and he doesn't exactly hold back either:lol:


I'm an ectomorph myself and don't have to worry too much about blowing up in weight but this guy is something else. Alcohol is very calorie dense too. I'm not sure what would happen to me if I drank as much as him.

Bastardo, bloody cheek of it, give him a slap for me:D

[Top Dog]

But Hatton is having calories from a different source compared to Manny

Aye Ricky tends to take it in Guiness and pie form:D

[Davro]

have to take into account manny is a genetic freak, the 7000 calorie diet doesn't seem to work for ricky.

:d

[ghostlybadge]

7000 cal a day but how are those caleries made up.
How much is he getting from protein. Your body can not store protein so unless you have a need for it it just goes straight through your system without being used up.
I could put anyone on a 10000 cal a day diet without them putting on much in the way of fat.
In fact i could put them in the gym for a few hours a week and get them to lose fat and grow muscle like hell.

[Chris85]

7000 cal a day but how are those caleries made up.
How much is he getting from protein. Your body can not store protein so unless you have a need for it it just goes straight through your system without being used up.
I could put anyone on a 10000 cal a day diet without them putting on much in the way of fat.
In fact i could put them in the gym for a few hours a week and get them to lose fat and grow muscle like hell.

Ariza said alot of it are protein, he also have to monitor pacs kidney and liver to make sure they are fine.

[Pug1list]

A calorie is a calorie, doesn't matter what source it comes from, can eat 2500 calorie worth of pure sugar, if it's below your maintenance you will lose weight. Accordingly if you're on 7 to 10k of protein you will put on weight, if it's above your maintenance. Further, studies show ideal protein intake for a bodybuilder is somewhere between 1.0 - 2.0 grams per lbs bodyweight, anything above this is a waste.

[Mooresy]

A calorie is a calorie, doesn't matter what source it comes from, can eat 2500 calorie worth of pure sugar, if it's below your maintenance you will lose weight. Accordingly if you're on 7 to 10k of protein you will put on weight, if it's above your maintenance. Further, studies show ideal protein intake for a bodybuilder is somewhere between 1.0 - 2.0 grams per lbs bodyweight, anything above this is a waste.
:good

[HeavyT]

i want to see valuevs cal intake

That would be insane!

[ghostlybadge]

A calorie is a calorie, doesn't matter what source it comes from, can eat 2500 calorie worth of pure sugar, if it's below your maintenance you will lose weight. Accordingly if you're on 7 to 10k of protein you will put on weight, if it's above your maintenance. Further, studies show ideal protein intake for a bodybuilder is somewhere between 1.0 - 2.0 grams per lbs bodyweight, anything above this is a waste.

as pac is constantly trearing and building muscle then the protein is not getting broken down into from amino acids into glucose and then converted into fat.
eating 7000 cal of suger and eating 7000 cal of protien while training is going to end up with different results. in one you are going to lose your muscle and the other you are going to keep/gain muscle.

pac does not need to run catabolic or keto diets to lose weight so can afford to give his body what it wants.

not all calories are created equal

[Pug1list]

as pac is constantly trearing and building muscle then the protein is not getting broken down into from amino acids into glucose and then converted into fat.
eating 7000 cal of suger and eating 7000 cal of protien while training is going to end up with different results. in one you are going to lose your muscle and the other you are going to keep/gain muscle.

pac does not need to run catabolic or keto diets to lose weight so can afford to give his body what it wants.

not all calories are created equal

A trained natural athlete can only build a few lbs of lean muscle in a year, like I already stated numerous studies have shown no benefits upward of 1-2grams protein per lb bodyweight. So eating tons of protein will not serve any benefit, like any energy that is not used it will be stored, basic thermodynamics.

[codeye]

That would be insane!



i know ha ha

[izmat]

not all calories are created equal

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[Killer Instinct]

This shocked me also, considering Michael Phelps consumes 10,000.

[Top Dog]

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Correct. Not all calories are equal, plus certain types will give your body a spike and make it retain fat, where others make it burn better, just the type of thing I done at uni, although I didnt particularly like it back then either:D And the theory always seems to change slightly over the years. One things for sure not all bodies run the same

[Pug1list]

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Why didn't he back up his article with any scientific research?

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[Pug1list]

Correct. Not all calories are equal, plus certain types will give your body a spike and make it retain fat, where others make it burn better, just the type of thing I done at uni, although I didnt particularly like it back then either:D And the theory always seems to change slightly over the years. One things for sure not all bodies run the same

The nutritional content of calories are obviously different, but the differences in energy expenditure are minimal at best. How does Manny even eat 7000 calories made of mostly protein, even half of that would be 875 grams protein, more than twice the amount that a 200+ body builder would intake, and quite impossible to accomplish frankly, unless he is eating protein 24 hours a day.

[izmat]

Why didn't he back up his article with any scientific research?

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"Is a calorie a calorie? Biologically speaking, no"
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[Top Dog]

"Is a calorie a calorie? Biologically speaking, no"
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Correct:good

[Top Dog]

High quality protein shakes and high quality essential fats will soon up the kcals. I kind of look at it with the sponge analogy, if you constantly wring it dry to make the weight you would be surprised by how much it would weigh when you soak it in "high quality H20", sorry couldnt resist the Waterboy part:D Interesting though, his coach is obviously very good. I worked over there in a private conditioning gym, in LA, those guys know their stuff, no two ways about that.

[Pug1list]

"Is a calorie a calorie? Biologically speaking, no"
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Wow a letter to the editor in response to the study, cutting edge scientific research there.

[Pug1list]

High quality protein shakes and high quality essential fats will soon up the kcals. I kind of look at it with the sponge analogy, if you constantly wring it dry to make the weight you would be surprised by how much it would weigh when you soak it in "high quality H20", sorry couldnt resist the Waterboy part:D Interesting though, his coach is obviously very good. I worked over there in a private conditioning gym, in LA, those guys know their stuff, no two ways about that.

Sure the cals would add up if his diet included majority carbs/fats rather than mostly protein as previously suggested. Still unlikely to add up to 7000 cals on a daily basis though.

[izmat]

Wow a letter to the editor in response to the study, cutting edge scientific research there.


He provides references to scientific studies to back his argument up

[Pug1list]

He provides references to scientific studies to back his argument up

Yeah and the study was carried out specifically for the point in question, I know which i'd rather follow. Didn't you previously state Manny's diet was mostly protein, what percentage are we talking about here?

[kieron]

Surely steroids do give enhanced performance as they artificially boost dtrength and recovery. If they simply gave non-functional mass as someone above suggests then the athletics world wouldn't ban them. Tommy Morrison is on record for saying they certainly gave him the edge at HW and without them he would have been a middle of the road cruiser!

[izmat]

Yeah and the study was carried out specifically for the point in question, I know which i'd rather follow. Didn't you previously state Manny's diet was mostly protein, what percentage are we talking about here?


Well, I think the study is flawed but each to their own.

I didn't mention anything about protein!

[Pug1list]

Surely steroids do give enhanced performance as they artificially boost dtrength and recovery. If they simply gave non-functional mass as someone above suggests then the athletics world wouldn't ban them. Tommy Morrison is on record for saying they certainly gave him the edge at HW and without them he would have been a middle of the road cruiser!

Exactly, not to mention other performance enhancers aside from lean mass builders that can benefit a boxer, such as stimulants, painkillers, sedatives and diuretics.

[trotter]

I read an article the other day where this was mentioned

They said he consumes 7000 a day (five protein shakes as part of that)

He burns 7500

Obviously this is during camp, not every day of his life

It struck me immediately that it's a bit too accurate to believe. But then again his athleticism is hard to believe.

Pac is a genetic freak so what applies to you and me is different for him. Look at the pics when he was 16-17, he's totally abnormal. No fat on him whatsoever.

[Top Dog]

I do believe he is a genetic freak, he probably gained his size earlier on during his strength/size phase, maybe even lasting a good number of months in anticipation of the fight, then maintained it. They will be keeping their methods pretty tight I'm sure