Sam Peter is the most over-f**kin-rated heavyweight in the world right now.

[RAMPAGE0017]

By no means am I a hater, but the fact of the matter is that if McCline doesn't beat Peter, he's going to definitely show just how many limitations this guy truly has. And he sure as hell isn't the number 2 heavyweight in the world. What Samuel Peter IS is a decent fighter whose basically just a rough copy of what everyone wants in the heavyweight division right now, so he's becoming overrated through the fucking roof.

[Asterion]

He's the second or third best heavyweight.

[brooklyn1550]

He's a top 5 heavyweight who can give hell to anybody out there

[Ted Stickles]

He's a top 5 heavyweight who can give hell to anybody out there

Thats about right......

[RAMPAGE0017]

He's a top 5 heavyweight who can give hell to anybody out there


And all of the people considered so far as a replacement for Maskaev could give HIM hell as well.

[box03]

Hes a decent fighter who hasnt hit his peak yet, give him a couple years. Everybody talked shit about Wlad 3 years ago when he melted against Brewster, not look at what hes become over the last few years.

[brooklyn1550]

And all of the people considered so far as a replacement for Maskaev could give HIM hell as well.

Golota?

[RAMPAGE0017]

Golota?


Well.. maybe Golota is questionable, but against anyone else I wouldn't dare bet my money on Peter.

[Heavyrighthand]

He's a top 5 heavyweight who can give hell to anybody out there

He is certianly top 6 or 7, but probably not top five, if you ask me.

Chag is above him

Wlad is certianly above him

Sultan, in being undefeated, and beating Briggs, as well as a few other B level fighters, is above PEter, who has only beaten Toney, and that's it.

Maskaev is above Peter.

Valuev is above Peter, who beat Ruiz, and was only beaten by Chag, and that was by decision.

There's five, right there, that all have better wins that Peter's sole win over Toney.

Peter was seem as a destroyer who may really create some excitement in the upper tiers of the division, til he GOT to the upper tiers of the division...........then his appeal fell flat and he didn't live up to expectations, as he couldn't destroy ANY top heavies, as he was doing to the Jeremy WIllaims and Taurus Sykes type fighters.

He was a big fish in the small pond, but once he was put in the big pond, he couldn't deliver. If Peter manages to get by McCline (questionable), you can bet that Vitali will beat his ears off.

[TheGrimReaper]

shannon briggs would knockout peter

[Scar]

Overrated?, compared to who?
There are like 2 or 3 decent heavyweights out there right now so calling him top 5 in a division like now is no shame at all.

[brooklyn1550]

He is certianly top 6 or 7, but probably not top five, if you ask me.

Chag is above him

Wlad is certianly above him

Sultan, in being undefeated, and beating Briggs, as well as a few other B level fighters, is above PEter, who has only beaten Toney, and that's it.

Maskaev is above Peter.

Valuev is above Peter, who beat Ruiz, and was only beaten by Chag, and that was by decision.

There's five, right there, that all have better wins that Peter's sole win over Toney.

Peter was seem as a destroyer who may really create some excitement in the upper tiers of the division, til he GOT to the upper tiers of the division...........then his appeal fell flat and he didn't live up to expectations, as he couldn't destroy ANY top heavies, as he was doing to the Jeremy WIllaims and Taurus Sykes type fighters.

He was a big fish in the small pond, but once he was put in the big pond, he couldn't deliver. If Peter manages to get by McCline (questionable), you can bet that Vitali will beat his ears off.

Give the kid some time....he's fought the best heavyweight in the world and held his own. And he didn't KO James Toney, but aside from Klitschko, who would? His defense and toughness make him very hard to stop even at heavyweight. A fight with Maskaev would have answered some real questions

[brooklyn1550]

shannon briggs would knockout peter

No, he wouldn't

[RAMPAGE0017]

Overrated?, compared to who?
There are like 2 or 3 decent heavyweights out there right now so calling him top 5 in a division like now is no shame at all.


I have no problem considering him a top 5, but number 2 in the world is pushing it. Especially when you really consider just how many people have a solid chance of beating this guy.

[cuchulain]

He's a top 5 heavyweight who can give hell to anybody out there


Probably not.


He would lose to:

Valuev
Wlad
Vitali (healthy version)



He would have trouble with

Chagaev
Briggs
Tua
Sultan
Golata
Brewster
Byrd


I think he barely scrapes the top 10.

[Heavyrighthand]

I have no problem considering him a top 5, but number 2 in the world is pushing it. Especially when you really consider just how many people have a solid chance of beating this guy.

McCline has a good chance at beating him, and some put McCline barely above his spit bucket man. :lol:

(although personally, I put McCline higher than most do)

[brooklyn1550]

Probably not.


He would lose to:

Valuev
Wlad
Vitali (healthy version)



He would have trouble with

Chagaev
Briggs
Tua
Sultan
Golata
Brewster
Byrd


I think he barely scrapes the top 10.

Yes, he would have trouble with a lot of them, but you can't tell me they wouldn't have problems with him too. Golota? Give me a break

[box03]

McCline has a good chance at beating him, and some put McCline barely above his spit bucket man. :lol:

(although personally, I put McCline higher than most do) I give Mccline credit as well, Peter should be able to take Mccline out somewhere between the 5-7 rounds. He fought alot of great fighters in his career including Wlad,Valuev,Bryd,Brock. I still dont think Mccline will be ready for Peters strong attack, in any event I see Mccline trying to go toe to toe with Peter in spots during the fight and he will eventually be caught with a heavy shot from Peter that ends the fight.

[cuchulain]

Yes, he would have trouble with a lot of them, but you can't tell me they wouldn't have problems with him too. Golota? Give me a break

Allright, Allright.

Golota was a stretch.

I wanted to get 10.

(Notice how I buried him in the middle.)

They might have trouble with him but I think most of them would get the job done.

[brooklyn1550]

Allright, Allright.

Golota was a stretch.

I wanted to get 10.

(Notice how I buried him in the middle.)

They might have trouble with him but I think most of them would get the job done.

Fair enough....I would pick him comfortably over Brewster, Ibragimov, and Briggs, but the others would be good fights. I would pick Chagaev over Peter. If you want to get 10, but replace Valuev, Tony Thompson would be a better choice.:good

[Stezzie]

Yes, he would have trouble with a lot of them, but you can't tell me they wouldn't have problems with him too. Golota? Give me a break

Some of these posters just type shit out of boredom, you look at this stuff and laugh, you can't take it seriously, he is rank #2 by the experts for a reason...If anyone can't understand that they should lift their favorite fighters nut-sac away from theirs eyes and look again...

[cuchulain]

Fair enough....I would pick him comfortably over Brewster, Ibragimov, and Briggs, but the others would be good fights. I would pick Chagaev over Peter. If you want to get 10, but replace Valuev, Tony Thompson would be a better choice.:good

Valuev was hugely overrated leading up to his loss to Chagaev. That said, he has an awkward style and probably a better chin than Peter. I don't see Peter beating him.

But at any rate, my original purpose in posting was to refute the notion that Peter was definitely a top three heavy.

He probably isn't.

As for Stezzies's insightful comment, which one of the rather sorry list I gave is supposed to be my favourite fighter.

(And is there really any point in responding to a post that rattles on about nutsacs and the likes ?)

[Zakman]

Overrated?, compared to who?
There are like 2 or 3 decent heavyweights out there right now so calling him top 5 in a division like now is no shame at all.

Exactly. If anything Peter has become under-rated. He may not be Tyson, but he's a good young powerpuncher who can bring some excitement to what is a rather moribund HW division. For the life of me, I can't understand why he gets bashed so much! :patsch

[cuchulain]

Exactly. If anything Peter has become under-rated. He may not be Tyson, but he's a good young powerpuncher who can bring some excitement to what is a rather moribund HW division. For the life of me, I can't understand why he gets bashed so much! :patsch

I don't want to type it all out again.

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[BoxingGuru]

Agree. Scam Cheater has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve the praise he gets. Who did he beat? A steroid shot fat middleweight WAY past his prime? A bunch of fuckin bums? Scam Cheater has NEVER knocked out a legitimate heavyweight. Hasn't even really hurt one except when he hits behind the head.

I hope to god shitty McCline beats him. At least then we know we have a super crappy champion who sucks and people won't overrate him like they do SCAM CHEATER.

And who would I pick him to beat? Not Maskaev, Chagaev, or Ibragimov. None of them. I think he gets easily outboxed by any of them if you put a decent fuckin referee in there.

[box03]

Agree. Scam Cheater has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve the praise he gets. Who did he beat? A steroid shot fat middleweight WAY past his prime? A bunch of fuckin bums? Scam Cheater has NEVER knocked out a legitimate heavyweight. Hasn't even really hurt one except when he hits behind the head.

I hope to god shitty McCline beats him. At least then we know we have a super crappy champion who sucks and people won't overrate him like they do SCAM CHEATER.

And who would I pick him to beat? Not Maskaev, Chagaev, or Ibragimov. None of them. I think he gets easily outboxed by any of them if you put a decent fuckin referee in there. If you think Peter sucks so bad, bet me 1 month off ESB. If Peter loses I will stay off ESB for a month, if Mccline loses you have to stay off for a month. Peter is better than people give him credit for, and the times he put Wlad down were fair its not Peters fault Wlad has panic attacks when he gets hit. When you turn your back and put your head down, Peter has every right to hit a man when he has his back turned.

[bachatu]

People like Peter because he is a guy who fits the profile of what a heavyweight should look like & carries aggression in the ring. he's a strong guy with a punchers chance and he goes in the ring with bad intentions behind his punches. Yes he lacks in his soft skills but he has potential or has showed improvements in that area by defeating Toney in their second fight soundly by decision. What it comes down to is that he gives hope to the heavyweight division to those who aren't fans of guys like Wlad. To me, Wlad for instance, although he has won, doesn't have the viciousness of a guy like Peter.

Since Mike Tyson, everyone has been looking for the next animal like guy who can go in there and KO guys. And no, Peter is nothing like Tyson (prime) style wise or skill wise...but again, he gives hope in a heavyweight division that is lacking those attributes that he has.

[thesandman]

People like Peter because he is a guy who fits the profile of what a heavyweight should look like & carries aggression in the ring. he's a strong guy with a punchers chance and he goes in the ring with bad intentions behind his punches. Yes he lacks in his soft skills but he has potential or has showed improvements in that area by defeating Toney in their second fight soundly by decision. What it comes down to is that he gives hope to the heavyweight division to those who aren't fans of guys like Wlad. To me, Wlad for instance, although he has won, doesn't have the viciousness of a guy like Peter.

Since Mike Tyson, everyone has been looking for the next animal like guy who can go in there and KO guys. And no, Peter is nothing like Tyson (prime) style wise or skill wise...but again, he gives hope in a heavyweight division that is lacking those attributes that he has.

Peter is a very poor mans David Tua.

At least Tua KO'd genuine top 10 fighters, and past/future champions.

[bachatu]

Yeah & people like Tua; and if he is poor mans version of Tua, Peter is younger & still has a career ahead of him, while Tua is at the end of his.

[thesandman]

Yeah & people like Tua; and if he is poor mans version of Tua, Peter is younger & still has a career ahead of him, while Tua is at the end of his.

Tua could do NOW everything Peter has done in the last 2 years of his career.

And that includes beating a fat, steroid using Toney.


Don't get me wrong, I like Peter. I just think he's being a bit overhyped right now. Deserves a break though, with the shit that he had to put up with the double eliminator, followed by the shit Oleg and Vitlay put him through.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Peter is a very poor mans David Tua.

At least Tua KO'd genuine top 10 fighters, and past/future champions.


And much like Tua, Peter is not going to be too hard for most heavyweights with a pulse to outbox.

[RAMPAGE0017]

And that includes beating a fat, steroid using Toney.



Don't forget also potentially LOSING to an even FATTER version of Toney the first time around, as well.

[diamondDave]

By no means am I a hater, but the fact of the matter is that if McCline doesn't beat Peter, he's going to definitely show just how many limitations this guy truly has. And he sure as hell isn't the number 2 heavyweight in the world. What Samuel Peter IS is a decent fighter whose basically just a rough copy of what everyone wants in the heavyweight division right now, so he's becoming overrated through the fucking roof.

I agree. I think that Peter is a very good heavyweight but I think people are way overrating him. McCline is a big man with a decent jab and has an excellent chance of beating Peter. Who looks very slow and lethargic at times.

[Ambition_Def]

Peter is a very poor mans David Tua.

At least Tua KO'd genuine top 10 fighters, and past/future champions.

Simply untrue.

John Ruiz was not at the peak of his game (if you want to call it that) when Tua knocked him out.

Nor was Hasim Rahman, who btw caught a punch after the bell to be knocked out.

Oleg Maskaev was 10-1 when he stepped into the ring with David Tua. These guys at the time were all unpolished, which gives a healthy advantage to the power puncher.

Tua has not any accomplishments at the top 5 level. He was thouroughly embarrassed by Lewis and Byrd. At least Sam Peter held his own with the consensus #1 guy, Waldo.

The biggest fallacy on this board is that Tua was somehow better than Samuel Peter. It's a joke. Guys like Yanqui Diaz and Jeremy Williams and Taurus Sykes hold their own with the Darroll Wilsons of the world.

I'd say that his shining performance was the disputed loss to Ike Ibeabuchi. That was his moment in the sun really. And Sam Peter's was losing to Waldo. A fight where he was in with a gold medalist who had a massive size advantage and skill advantage.

At this point Sam Peter has proven just as much as a young David Tua, if not more. Give him a few defenses of that title and he will surpass anything Tua accomplished as a professional.

[Dorfmeister]

If he is overrated, how come nobody shows up in short notice to fight him for a World HWT Title? Vitaly never intented to fight him but Oleg or McCline, Oleg himself follows Vitaly to the Hospital treatment and everybody wanted a piece of Big O's, even old-timers such as Tim Witherspoon, Axel Shultz, Corrie Sanders and Oliver McCall would come back from long lay-offs for that matter... Sam Peter is not just "The Nigerian Nightmare", he's everybody's nightmare or so it seems... That and other should provide proof and enough evidence to support Peter's legit top contendership and I don't even like to see him fight...

[ApatheticLeader]

He's a top 5 heavyweight who can give hell to anybody out there

Prime Byrd dominates him :yep

[buddynabuick]

Exactly. If anything Peter has become under-rated. He may not be Tyson, but he's a good young powerpuncher who can bring some excitement to what is a rather moribund HW division. For the life of me, I can't understand why he gets bashed so much! :patsch



I certainly am not bashing Peter but i just think his weight will be his downfall. We will see:yep

[11player]

I agree Peter is overrated and certainly not the second best heavywheight out there.

Wlad, Vitali, Chagaev would certainly beat him.

After that there are a group of guys who are all about the same level, when in shape, being able to beat each other depending on the moment and luck, even capable of beating the top three above on a good night. They are:
Ibragimov
Peter
Valuev
Maskaev
Thompson
Virchis
Gomez
Byrd
Ruiz
Dimitrenko
Brewster
Liakhovich
Rahman
McCall (a little too old, but still capable)
Povetkin (unproven, but should be part of this group already)
Tua

[Brickhaus]

There's very little evidence that Peter wouldn't destroy this version of Tua, who is a C-level fighter. I agree, however, that he probably loses to Wlad, Chagaev and Valuev, unless he's continued to improve. There are a lot of B-level fighters who I think would give him trouble as well.

I could see the argument for him being second, but even as such, he's extremely overrated. There's a bigger gap between first in HW and 2nd in HW than there is between 2nd in HW and 30th in HW, and most people seem to forget about that when rating Peter.

[Brickhaus]

Prime Byrd dominates him :yep

Yeah, but if he had been fighting when prime Byrd was in full effect, he'd barely be a top 10 guy. Lewis, Vitali, Byrd, Ruiz, Tua, Rahman, Wlad, and possibly Oquendo and even Tyson would be ahead of him.

[thesandman]

Simply untrue.

John Ruiz was not at the peak of his game (if you want to call it that) when Tua knocked him out.

Nor was Hasim Rahman, who btw caught a punch after the bell to be knocked out.

Oleg Maskaev was 10-1 when he stepped into the ring with David Tua. These guys at the time were all unpolished, which gives a healthy advantage to the power puncher.

Tua has not any accomplishments at the top 5 level. He was thouroughly embarrassed by Lewis and Byrd. At least Sam Peter held his own with the consensus #1 guy, Waldo.

The biggest fallacy on this board is that Tua was somehow better than Samuel Peter. It's a joke. Guys like Yanqui Diaz and Jeremy Williams and Taurus Sykes hold their own with the Darroll Wilsons of the world.

I'd say that his shining performance was the disputed loss to Ike Ibeabuchi. That was his moment in the sun really. And Sam Peter's was losing to Waldo. A fight where he was in with a gold medalist who had a massive size advantage and skill advantage.

At this point Sam Peter has proven just as much as a young David Tua, if not more. Give him a few defenses of that title and he will surpass anything Tua accomplished as a professional.


Everything you have stated is a bit of stretch. You disparage Tua's name fighters - but don't replace them with an equivalent for Peter.

You name Tuas B level fighters, and pair them with Peters. Fair enough. but that still doesn't add anyone to replace the guys you drop off the list.

what about Fres? What about Moorer (altho old at the time)?

I have never said guys were at their peak when Tua fought them. So what? the fact is they were, on the whole, on the way up, like Tua was. And that's proved to be the case.


Peters past opponents aren't on the way up. They are what they are. Guys that earn a living by being B sides to young fighters. The guys Tua fought came in to win against him. Can't say the same for the guys Peter has fought.

And lastly - you'd better believe that if Tua put Waldo on the canvas 3 times, he wouldn't be getting back up.

[swedeone]

we'll see how "Overrated" he is when after he lays out Wladamir Klitschko in the beginning of 2008. Trust me... it's coming. :yep

[brooklyn1550]

Prime Byrd dominates him :yep

And why is this relevant when discussing the current state of the heavyweight division and analyzing how Peter would do against the guys now?

[brooklyn1550]

we'll see how "Overrated" he is when after he lays out Wladamir Klitschko in the beginning of 2008. Trust me... it's coming. :yep

He wont fight Wladimir in 2008....he's busy with Oleg Maskaev, Vitali Klitschko, and Oliver McCall. And in early 2008, Wladimir will probably be preparing to face off against either Byrd, Brock, Chambers, or Povetkin.

[Ambition_Def]

My point is despite Tua's early record Sam Peter has performed much better at the top level.

He has a close loss to the consensus #1 (which Tua could not accomplish) and he has 2 wins over a guy who could not be seen any lower than top 10.

So the guys Tua beat very early on went on to win titles. That doesn't mean they were polished champions when he beat them. In the rematch with Rahman it was apparent that Rahman had gotten better, whereas Tua was still Tua.

The guy never progressed. Hard punchers on the general level do very well moving up the ranks, until the other guys start getting more experienced. Then it becomes something else.

Regardless of what the haters on this site think, Sam Peter had his coming out party against James Toney. He easily decisioned a man that John Ruiz or Hasim Rahman didn't.

And to Ruskull: I seen some of that Toney-Batchelder fight. Batchelder was not robbed. He ran from Toney all night and played defense. Toney clearly won.

[thesandman]

My point is despite Tua's early record Sam Peter has performed much better at the top level.

He has a close loss to the consensus #1 (which Tua could not accomplish) and he has 2 wins over a guy who could not be seen any lower than top 10.

So the guys Tua beat very early on went on to win titles. That doesn't mean they were polished champions when he beat them. In the rematch with Rahman it was apparent that Rahman had gotten better, whereas Tua was still Tua.

The guy never progressed. Hard punchers on the general level do very well moving up the ranks, until the other guys start getting more experienced. Then it becomes something else.

Regardless of what the haters on this site think, Sam Peter had his coming out party against James Toney. He easily decisioned a man that John Ruiz or Hasim Rahman didn't.

And to Ruskull: I seen some of that Toney-Batchelder fight. Batchelder was not robbed. He ran from Toney all night and played defense. Toney clearly won.

I guess it depends on your definition of top level. Tua was matched with guys of a similar level, eg Izon, but Peter wasn't.

Peter hasn't fought anybody like Ike, Tua did. Yes he lost, but that decision could have gone either way.

I don't mind Peter one bit, but I think that Tua could have easily done anything Peter has done to date. That's not Peter's fault, he can only fight the guys put in front of him.

Tua in any shape beats the Toney Peter did, comfortably.

Having said all of that, I'd love to see Peter fight often and win big. It would be much better than guys fighting once every couple of years.....

[Ambition_Def]

Tua in any shape beats the Toney Peter did, comfortably.

^That is where we are going to disagree the most. I do not see Tua even in his prime beating James Toney.

Reason being that no one-armed fighter is going to beat James Toney. Not one. He can hit hard all he wants with that left hook but he has to land it first. Tua had no jab really, which is instrumental in pushing Toney into position for a right hand to the ear. He might land the left hook as Toney is going into his bend but even that 9/10 times would likely wiz right by his head.

Samuel Peter has gotten better. Today he is more well put together than David Tua was at his best. He has a solid jab (which he showed in the Hawkins fight), an excellent right hand and a left hook that has been with him for awhile now.

If Tua had a right hand with a jab he'd be Samuel Peter. Thats bascially how I look at it.

[thesandman]

^That is where we are going to disagree the most. I do not see Tua even in his prime beating James Toney.

Reason being that no one-armed fighter is going to beat James Toney. Not one. He can hit hard all he wants with that left hook but he has to land it first. Tua had no jab really, which is instrumental in pushing Toney into position for a right hand to the ear. He might land the left hook as Toney is going into his bend but even that 9/10 times would likely wiz right by his head.

Samuel Peter has gotten better. Today he is more well put together than David Tua was at his best. He has a solid jab (which he showed in the Hawkins fight), an excellent right hand and a left hook that has been with him for awhile now.

If Tua had a right hand with a jab he'd be Samuel Peter. Thats bascially how I look at it.
My wording was a bit misleading. I meant "Tua in any DECENT SORT of shape", not as the fat Tua that emerged for the Lewis fight etc.

Yeah, Tua hasn't got much of a jab. But the Tua that fights for 12 rounds, at a reasonable pace, IMO beats the Toney that Peter faced. (not the Tua that listlessly plodded after Byrd for 12 rounds....)

Toney is simply, just too fat and too old.

I hope you're right. I'd love to see Peter keep improving. I'm also bound to be biased because I'm a New Zealander.... :D

[anut]

I AGREEEEE:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[fightingmajor]

Peter has the best talent and physical base to build from in the entire HW division. He is one good trainer away from being the dominant HW champion.

[box03]

Peter has the best talent and physical base to build from in the entire HW division. He is one good trainer away from being the dominant HW champion. Peter still is raw talent at 27, Manny took Wlad from down and out to Heavywieght champ in 2 years.

[Ambition_Def]

I hope you're right. I'd love to see Peter keep improving. I'm also bound to be biased because I'm a New Zealander.... :D

I suspected as much! :lol:

It's all good though. I'm white American so both Tua and Sam are foreign commodities to me, but they are more than welcome in America! We need exciting heavyweights not the jab and grab sort! :happy

[rodney]

Big deal.
He hits hard.
Peter is slow, throws one punch at a time, one dimensional.
Looks like shit.
Valuev beats him.
Overrated.
Yes.

[madpup]

Give the kid some time....he's fought the best heavyweight in the world and held his own. And he didn't KO James Toney, but aside from Klitschko, who would? His defense and toughness make him very hard to stop even at heavyweight. A fight with Maskaev would have answered some real questions

His defence? What defence? Great chin, but no ability to dodge punches.

[El Bombasto]

Overrated?, compared to who?
There are like 2 or 3 decent heavyweights out there right now so calling him top 5 in a division like now is no shame at all.

i would like to see him beat a legit top20-30 guy other than a fat, bloated, and stationary james toney; then maybe, maybe i would consider him top 10

[hacim419]

He could definitely be outboxed / outworked, I think Chambers would be a really hard fight for Peter in a few years, or a current Byrd fight as well, and Wlad is just gonna be a tough fight for anyone.

[SevenSamurai]

Agree. Scam Cheater has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve the praise he gets. Who did he beat? A steroid shot fat middleweight WAY past his prime? A bunch of fuckin bums? Scam Cheater has NEVER knocked out a legitimate heavyweight. Hasn't even really hurt one except when he hits behind the head.

I hope to god shitty McCline beats him. At least then we know we have a super crappy champion who sucks and people won't overrate him like they do SCAM CHEATER.

And who would I pick him to beat? Not Maskaev, Chagaev, or Ibragimov. None of them. I think he gets easily outboxed by any of them if you put a decent fuckin referee in there.

:lol:

I am certain that Chagaev would beat Peter. Maskaev I think chickened out of the fight. Ibragimov would be a 50-50 fight.

[Max Molyneux]

Exactly. If anything Peter has become under-rated. He may not be Tyson, but he's a good young powerpuncher who can bring some excitement to what is a rather moribund HW division. For the life of me, I can't understand why he gets bashed so much! :patsch

It's not that Morbid, It's just that not many care about a division that lacks American stars like the Heavyweight division used to always have.

[Max Molyneux]

If Wlad could outhug Peter than would Ruiz?

[Grabonator]

I agree Peter is overrated and certainly not the second best heavywheight out there.

Wlad, Vitali, Chagaev would certainly beat him.

After that there are a group of guys who are all about the same level, when in shape, being able to beat each other depending on the moment and luck, even capable of beating the top three above on a good night. They are:
Ibragimov
Peter
Valuev
Maskaev
Thompson
Virchis
Gomez
Byrd
Ruiz
Dimitrenko
Brewster
Liakhovich
Rahman
McCall (a little too old, but still capable)
Povetkin (unproven, but should be part of this group already)
Tua

When i read Thompson and Dimitrenko, Liakhovitch, Rahman and Virchis that really made me laugh!! :lol: These guys would all get knocked the fuck out. The others would be tough challenges for Peter, but i would favour Peter to beat most of them.

[RAMPAGE0017]

What the hell is with all this talk about Chagaev? He beat an over-hyped Valuev wo did nothing but beat bums, trying to pad his record so he could get to 50-0. When Liakovich beat Brewster, everyone put him so high up..then Briggs knocked his ass out and where is he now? Chagaev losses brutally to Peter, so does Sultan "Don't call me Barney Rubble" Fagimov.

Peter, like it or not, is the #2 HW. Guys are scared to fight him because he has a granite chin and good, raw power. He took Bitchkos best and laughed plus knocked Holdimir down 3 times. This from a guy who basically has no boxing skill. Bitchko would have been DQ'd if a decent ref was in there warning him about holding.


Guys are scared to fight him? I think you mean " Maskaev is scared to fight him " because Ruiz, Rahman, McCall, McCline, AND Golota were all up for the chance to take Peter on, so I'd hardly say that Peter is really that feared.

The only thing keeping Peter from sending Bitchko and any other HW reeling is a decent trainer. Let Roach take him and see what happens.


I'm sure if you give ANY fighter a great trainer you'll see some improvements. Hell, put Manny in McCline's and I think an upset might be on the horizon.

[rydersonthestorm]

I want to see peter fight tua now that he is making a come back, then we will be able to see if he can take it as well as he can give it out.

[box03]

Guys like Golota, Ruiz, and Rahman are all the bottom trying to come up. There are no fighters who are already on top or doing well that even challanged Peter, no one really wants to fight Peter unless they have nothing to lose like the 3 I already mentioned. Maskaev has been ducking Peter for a while now, trying to fight an injured Vitali instead. I will agree Peter is still a little awkward in the ring, but his chin and power make up for it. I hope people give Peter some credit when he knocks Mccline out on oct 6, he deserves it.

[charlievint]

By no means am I a hater, but the fact of the matter is that if McCline doesn't beat Peter, he's going to definitely show just how many limitations this guy truly has. And he sure as hell isn't the number 2 heavyweight in the world. What Samuel Peter IS is a decent fighter whose basically just a rough copy of what everyone wants in the heavyweight division right now, so he's becoming overrated through the fucking roof.

Peter is the #2 guy in the fact that he took Wald the distance and made it VERY close....something ALL the other HW that Wald Plowed through could not do.

He is a bit over rated but EVERY HW is over rated bc none of them are future ATG's at this point....ALL have limitations and lack TRUE boxing skills. The Big HW's right now rely on their Size, Power and strength to beat up on the Smaller HW's with a bit more skill.

Peter beat the highest skilled "UN-Natrual" HW in James Toney and did so in a pretty dominant preformance. Which again....No one else was able to do.

[Brickhaus]

Valuev beat Donald, Ruiz, Barrett, McCline, Etienne and Bidenko. Some were slightly controversial, but not all that much so, and he still beat them either way. Not murderers' row, but not a bunch of bums either, and it's a better lineup of fighters than Ibragamov or Chagaev had faced before getting a shot, and he's beaten better fighters than 3/4 of the guys on that list who aren't old and washed up. Not only that, but his size, his chin and his style would give most HWs problems. In any case, beating Valuev is a serious notch, and a notch that nobody else has.

[madpup]

What the hell is with all this talk about Chagaev? He beat an over-hyped Valuev wo did nothing but beat bums, trying to pad his record so he could get to 50-0. When Liakovich beat Brewster, everyone put him so high up..then Briggs knocked his ass out and where is he now? Chagaev losses brutally to Peter, so does Sultan "Don't call me Barney Rubble" Fagimov.

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Chagaev beat Valuev, Ruiz and Virchis in his last 3 fights. That is a far superior record to Peter, that can not be disputed. Plus he has a great amateur pedigree

[BoxingGuru]

The Wlad/Cheater fight wasn't close. Even with the behind the head knockdowns the score was lopsided. Without them it was a blowout.

[swedeone]

The Wlad/Cheater fight wasn't close. Even with the behind the head knockdowns the score was lopsided. Without them it was a blowout.



:rofl :rofl :rofl

Be glad your boy got the "W". If the referee had any brains in his head, he would have taken at leats 2 points away from Wlad for the pussy-hugging. And thank your lucky stars Peter never actually landed a power shot on Wlad. Wlad was hit with 3 glancing blows the entire night and ALL 3 floored him. :rofl

If Sam had connected with a pure power shot, Wlad might STILL be down today. :yep

[box03]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Be glad your boy got the "W". If the referee had any brains in his head, he would have taken at leats 2 points away from Wlad for the pussy-hugging. And thank your lucky stars Peter never actually landed a power shot on Wlad. Wlad was hit with 3 glancing blows the entire night and ALL 3 floored him. :rofl

If Sam had connected with a pure power shot, Wlad might STILL be down today. :yep Very true, but as far as a ref is concerned he did a decent job. As a ref you got to let the fighters fight, Peter did hit the back of Wlads head on 2 of the knockdowns but you have no choice when your oppenent turns and puts his head down to avoid being punched. Every elite fighter uses dirty tactics to win fights its part of boxing, if you dont use rough house tactics your not trying hard enough to win. Yes Wlad won, but I was still impressed Peter was able to hurt Wlad more and Wlad only briefly hurt Peter. I believe a rematch between the 2 of them would be interesting for fight fans, unlike Wlads recent oppenents Peter is very dangerous and does have a top notch chin which will able him to turn the boxing match into a dog fight.

[bachatu]

Very true, but as far as a ref is concerned he did a decent job. As a ref you got to let the fighters fight, Peter did hit the back of Wlads head on 2 of the knockdowns but you have no choice when your oppenent turns his and puts his head down to avoid being punched. Every elite fighter uses dirty tactics to win fights its part of boxing, if you dont use rough house tactics your trying hard enough to win. Yes Wlad won, but I was still impressed Peter was able to hurt Wlad more and Wlad only briefly hurt Peter. I believe a rematch between the 2 of them would be interesting for fight fans, unlike Wlads recent oppenents Peter is very dangerous and does have a top notch chin which will able him to turn the boxing match into a dog fight.

People always fail to mention how he turned his head when that happened... and yes, good point, for the amount of punishment Peter took in the fight, he was hurt less than Wlad who was floored three times.... that must be embarrassing. We know why he turned into the the Wladimir Klinch-ko that he is. He can't afford to get hit flush....he may be from Russia, but his chin was assembled in China, sorry.

[Ambition_Def]

he may be from Russia, but his chin was assembled in China, sorry.

:lol: OWNED!

[BoxingGuru]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Be glad your boy got the "W". If the referee had any brains in his head, he would have taken at leats 2 points away from Wlad for the pussy-hugging. And thank your lucky stars Peter never actually landed a power shot on Wlad. Wlad was hit with 3 glancing blows the entire night and ALL 3 floored him. :rofl

If Sam had connected with a pure power shot, Wlad might STILL be down today. :yep

Scam Cheater has not knocked out ONE top 10 heavyweight. ZERO. NONE. Care to comment on that? Scam couldn't even knock out the "weakest chin" in the division. This says alot about this paper champion. Clinching is allowed in boxing. Rabbit punching isn't. Take that to the bank brother.

FYI. Wladimir would knock Toney out easily. "Your Boy" is about the most unskilled age lying heavyweight in the top 10 right now.

[box03]

Scam Cheater has not knocked out ONE top 10 heavyweight. ZERO. NONE. Care to comment on that? Scam couldn't even knock out the "weakest chin" in the division. This says alot about this paper champion. Clinching is allowed in boxing. Rabbit punching isn't. Take that to the bank brother.

FYI. Wladimir would knock Toney out easily. "Your Boy" is about the most unskilled age lying heavyweight in the top 10 right now. James Toney has never been knocked out first of all, he took rahman, Ruiz, and Holyfields best shots and didnt go down as well. What Wlad does is illegal, you cant blatantly lean on someones neck and back or you will get warned. As explained many times before Sam or anyone else has every right to hit the back of someones head if a fighter is purposely turning there back to avoid punches, which wlad was obviously doing when he was hurt in that fight.

[El Bombasto]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Be glad your boy got the "W". If the referee had any brains in his head, he would have taken at leats 2 points away from Wlad for the pussy-hugging. And thank your lucky stars Peter never actually landed a power shot on Wlad. Wlad was hit with 3 glancing blows the entire night and ALL 3 floored him. :rofl

If Sam had connected with a pure power shot, Wlad might STILL be down today. :yep

if the ref. addressed fat boy's rabbit punches, your hero would have won one round.

[don owens]

a good puncher to the back of the head. an overrated power rep based on the ko of jeremy williams. he is vastly overrated and i dont think he will improve very much

[brooklyn1550]

Wladimir turned away (turned his back on Peter), but Peter blasted him in the back of the head...

Does anybody know the rules about this?

[box03]

Wladimir turned away (turned his back on Peter), but Peter blasted him in the back of the head...

Does anybody know the rules about this? Yes, you can not avoid punches by turning your back and you are to protct yourself at all times. If Peter was doing it porposely the ref can step in and warn him but in this case he was given no choice but too hit Wlad in the back of the head, the ref knows the rules better than anyone on ESB and if it was foul the ref wouldnt of counted it as a knockout. When Foreman hit Frazier in the back of the head when he turned away it, that punch was perfectly leagal or when Hagler hit hearns when he turned his back and tried to get away.

[brooklyn1550]

Yes, you can not avoid punches by turning your back and you are to protct yourself at all times. If Peter was doing it porposely the ref can step in and warn him but in this case he was given no choice but too hit Wlad in the back of the head, the ref knows the rules better than anyone on ESB and if it was foul the ref wouldnt of counted it as a knockout. When Foreman hit Frazier in the back of the head when he turned away it, that punch was perfectly leagal or when Hagler hit hearns when he turned his back and tried to get away.

Thanks:good

I thought the back of the head was fair game if the opponent turned away.

[box03]

Thanks:good

I thought the back of the head was fair game if the opponent turned away. no problem, its common sense you turn your head in a fight you deserve to be knocked out. The ref could of actually warned Wlad for turning his head in the fight but before the ref could say anything Peter had him on his back, I just wish Wlad fans would wake up and realize that you cant turn your back to avoid punches.

[brooklyn1550]

no problem, its common sense you turn your head in a fight you deserve to be knocked out. The ref could of actually warned Wlad for turning his head in the fight but before the ref could say anything Peter had him on his back, I just wish Wlad fans would wake up and realize that you cant turn your back to avoid punches.

Would the rabbit punches against Toney be considered illegal? It seems as though they were because Toney wasn't actually turning away fron Samuel, but rather ducking low.

[box03]

Would the rabbit punches against Toney be considered illegal? It seems as though they were because Toney wasn't actually turning away fron Samuel, but rather ducking low. I think they could be considered illegal rabbit punches, but you must remember during that fight Toney was trying to time Peters punches alot by ducking under them when he would throw looking to make Peter miss and counter. I honestly believe Sam throws punches that he dont even no were there going sometimes and the fact that Toney is hard to hit flush might have something to do with Peters miss placed punching, if I was a ref I could see it either way.

[brooklyn1550]

I think they could be considered illegal rabbit punches, but you must remember during that fight Toney was trying to time Peters punches alot by ducking under them when he would throw looking to make Peter miss and counter. I honestly believe Sam throws punches that he dont even no were there going sometimes and the fact that Toney is hard to hit flush might have something to do with Peters miss placed punching, if I was a ref I could see it either way.

I agree...he loops his shots and just throws them out there really wild. You get a puncher like that, and the shots are going to hit a lot of places.

[box03]

I agree...he loops his shots and just throws them out there really wild. You get a puncher like that, and the shots are going to hit a lot of places. I know alot of the fighters Peter put to sleep were bums, but if you get a chance watch the fight between Peter/diaz or Peter/Long he dominated these guys like Tyson use to back in the day. I just see alot of promise in Peter, and he certainly has that raw rage in the ring I like.

[brooklyn1550]

I know alot of the fighters Peter put to sleep were bums, but if you get a chance watch the fight between Peter/diaz or Peter/Long he dominated these guys like Tyson use to back in the day. I just see alot of promise in Peter, and he certainly has that raw rage in the ring I like.

I don't think he will ever be looked upon as another Mike Tyson, but he has the raw physical strength, toughness, and power to build upon and if he can improve more and more, he can become a force in the division. I find it crazy for people to say he can't KO a top 20-25 HW. He has power - one could tell from just watching the punches he throws when he really throws them with force. Who knocks out James Toney? And Wladimir Klitschko isn't some easy guy to KO...he's the best fighter in the division. Peter definitely has promise...

Yes, he's overrated by some posters on here, but I think he is underrated by many as well. The best way to assess his ability and talent, in my opinion, is to say he's a strong, powerful puncher who, despite his lack of great technical ability, can give anybody problems based on his sheer strength, power, and chin. Would he beat everybody? No, but he could beat a lot of good fighters.

[box03]

I don't think he will ever be looked upon as another Mike Tyson, but he has the raw physical strength, toughness, and power to build upon and if he can improve more and more, he can become a force in the division. I find it crazy for people to say he can't KO a top 20-25 HW. He has power - one could tell from just watching the punches he throws when he really throws them with force. Who knocks out James Toney? And Wladimir Klitschko isn't some easy guy to KO...he's the best fighter in the division. Peter definitely has promise... I also feel hes no Tyson but who needs to be in this weak ass division, the wbo changes hands every couple months and anyone could beat anyone on given night besides maybe Wlad. You got to remember 2 years ago the champs were Brewster, Bryd, Ruiz, and Rahman and none of them are champs anymore. I think that says alot about how weak the division truly is, and Peter is the only heavywieght right now with a pretty good chance of beating Wlad the 2nd time around.

[Bigcat]

Samuel Peter will soon be regarded as the #2 heavyweight behind the man he lost to .. Wladimir.

Even in losinghe made Wlad suck in some air over the stretch. This is a very good Wladimir who seems to have a fresh new A- game going on..

Sam v Wlad is a natural rematch in unification.. Sultan v Holy is a pick em fight.. Sammy and Wlad are the 1 & 2.. Chagaev needs more time to settle into being a beltholder.

[BoxingGuru]

I know alot of the fighters Peter put to sleep were bums, but if you get a chance watch the fight between Peter/diaz or Peter/Long he dominated these guys like Tyson use to back in the day. I just see alot of promise in Peter, and he certainly has that raw rage in the ring I like.

You're talking about the same bums that they threw in there with Tyson to make him look good. Peter doesn't really have that much power or even skill to land a punch without throwing looping wild crazy punches.

[Bigcat]

So why doesn't a Rahman or Byrd or Briggs or Barrett or any other of the Heavyweights hold the number 2 spot after a couple of final Eliminators? Are they as superior or just getting overlooked.. The beating of those so called bums didn't stop Tyson becoming a great heavyweight.. He wound up demolishing a whole division of champs and ex champs on a mealticket of bums did he ?

Samuel didn't telegraph against Toney, he didn't loop against Jeremy.. If he did Jeremy didn't seeit coming.. Get the story straight..

I will see you when Sammy is an established champ..

[El Bombasto]

I know alot of the fighters Peter put to sleep were bums, but if you get a chance watch the fight between Peter/diaz or Peter/Long he dominated these guys like Tyson use to back in the day. I just see alot of promise in Peter, and he certainly has that raw rage in the ring I like.

still trying to rationalize the ineptitude of your hero? btw-all the fighters sam peter has knocked out were bums

[brooklyn1550]

btw-all the fighters sam peter has knocked out were bums

He hasn't knocked out a ranked fighter, that's for sure...

But I think it's down right arrogant and idiotic for fans to call fighters "bums."

[Ambition_Def]

Yanqui Diaz was ranked when Sam beat him.

James Toney also was ranked when Sam beat him...TWICE!

Taurus Sykes was easy top 20.

Jeremy Williams also easy top 20.

Pudar and Shufford both would easy make a top 20.

For a young man who hadn't alot of amateur experience, Sam moved along properly. He is just now coming into his own and alot of the haters on here are going to be stewing for a long time. Have fun calling a polished boxer a crude slugger. He sure didn't look it against James Toney.

[box03]

Yanqui Diaz was ranked when Sam beat him.

James Toney also was ranked when Sam beat him...TWICE!

Taurus Sykes was easy top 20.

Jeremy Williams also easy top 20.

Pudar and Shufford both would easy make a top 20.

For a young man who hadn't alot of amateur experience, Sam moved along properly. He is just now coming into his own and alot of the haters on here are going to be stewing for a long time. Have fun calling a polished boxer a crude slugger. He sure didn't look it against James Toney. Well said, I think some people forget the man just turned 27 which is very young in the heavywieght division, Peter has not his prime yet and is getting better after every fight. I think we should give Peter a couple more years before we write him off, just 2 years ago he had the recognized heavywieght Wlad in a alot of trouble in the ring and I believe if he wouldve smothered his punches in that fight I feel he could of finished him.

[Ambition_Def]

Well said, I think some people forget the man just turned 27 which is very young in the heavywieght division, Peter has not his prime yet and is getting better after every fight. I think we should give Peter a couple more years before we write him off, just 2 years ago he had the recognized heavywieght Wlad in a alot of trouble in the ring and I believe if he wouldve smothered his punches in that fight I feel he could of finished him.

Sam made alot of improvements in his fights with Toney.

For a while he was getting away with just right hand clubbing everyone. I feel that despite fate, he would have been better served running into Toney before Waldo. He simply was not well instructed on how to deal with an octopus.

He went from right hand clubbing to setting up his punches with a jab. He's had these tools for awhile now and showed them in spurts against Sykes and Diaz. But against Toney the whole package came together.

What I found most interesting though is how they picked up on Toney's defensive vunerabilities in spots. Like when he would bend they'd let him go and then place a right hand on his ear. And when he'd start into his bend they'd throw a left hook. That's brilliant stuff that not many people know about.

They have 12 rounds on tape on how to study Waldo and I believe with both Pops Anderson and Stacey McKinley in his corner he is going to become a real force.

[geppy]

Sam Peter is overrated and crude. Even his punching power, wtf did he ever KO, Jeremy Williams, the glassed chin Cuban that gets Ko''d in every fight Diaz, Julius " get KO'd by everyone " Long.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Mccline use his size, and reach advantage on the outside , avoid Peters wild shots and make a fight of it. Much more so then people expect.

Peter's supposed great improvement mostly was due to Toney being shot as fuck. That should tell you something, when Toney struggled to beat Batchleder by SD and was rocked int the 9th round.

[Ambition_Def]

Sam Peter is overrated and crude. Even his punching power, wtf did he ever KO, Jeremy Williams, the glassed chin Cuban that gets Ko''d in every fight Diaz, Julius " get KO'd by everyone " Long.

That's gotta be doing better than earning a draw with Ray Austin no?

When Ibragimov learns how to circle left get back to me. :hi:

[box03]

Sam made alot of improvements in his fights with Toney.

For a while he was getting away with just right hand clubbing everyone. I feel that despite fate, he would have been better served running into Toney before Waldo. He simply was not well instructed on how to deal with an octopus.

He went from right hand clubbing to setting up his punches with a jab. He's had these tools for awhile now and showed them in spurts against Sykes and Diaz. But against Toney the whole package came together.

What I found most interesting though is how they picked up on Toney's defensive vunerabilities in spots. Like when he would bend they'd let him go and then place a right hand on his ear. And when he'd start into his bend they'd throw a left hook. That's brilliant stuff that not many people know about.

They have 12 rounds on tape on how to study Waldo and I believe with both Pops Anderson and Stacey McKinley in his corner he is going to become a real force. The Toney fights were learning experiences to say least, Toney is a hard fighter for anyone in the heavywieght division to beat. Rahman, Ruiz, and Holyfield coudnt do it and they have been champions what 8 times between them all together. Peter is a developing heavywieght and he is not a finished product just yet, he has talent thats see were it goes in the next couple years.

[geppy]

That's gotta be doing better than earning a draw with Ray Austin no?

When Ibragimov learns how to circle left get back to me. :hi:

How did Peter get his shot, knocking out a bunch a handpicked glass chinned fighters? Then losing to Klitschko, when all he did was land land 3 illegal punches behind the head all night , and done nothing else even remotly effective. Lose to a fat steroid using MW, was forced into a rematch then beat a fat MW for his title shot.

[brooklyn1550]

How did Peter get his shot, knocking out a bunch a handpicked glass chinned fighters? Then losing to Klitschko, when all he did was land land 3 illegal punches behind the head all night , and done nothing else even remotly effective. Lose to a fat steroid using MW, was forced into a rematch then beat a fat MW for his title shot.

Samuel Peter was 24-0 (21) against good opposition for an up and coming fighter. Klitschko wasn't impressive in his last few outings before the Peter fight. Peter made Wladimir fight and landed some good shots - knocking him down 3 times. Peter also showed great toughness and an iron chin in this fight. However, Klitschko was the clear winner.

He didn't lose to James Toney...ever. Despite what your scorecard reads, he won the 1st fight. And unfairly, the WBC said "you have to fight him again to get a title shot." He did and he beat Toney convincingly, showing improvement in many areas.

Peter is a hand-full for any heavyweight out there.

[box03]

How did Peter get his shot, knocking out a bunch a handpicked glass chinned fighters? Then losing to Klitschko, when all he did was land land 3 illegal punches behind the head all night , and done nothing else even remotly effective. Lose to a fat steroid using MW, was forced into a rematch then beat a fat MW for his title shot. First of all the one knockdown didnt come from Sam hitting Wlad in the back of the head and the other 2 were perfectly legal considering Wlad turned his back and was hit behind the head, any official boxing rule book will tell you that. How could Sams punches be Illegal he had Wlad hurt and Wlad turned his back and got hit, what do you expect Peter to do wait for the ref to warn Wlad to turn around so he could punch him?

[swedeone]

Yanqui Diaz was ranked when Sam beat him.

James Toney also was ranked when Sam beat him...TWICE!

Taurus Sykes was easy top 20.

Jeremy Williams also easy top 20.

Pudar and Shufford both would easy make a top 20.

For a young man who hadn't alot of amateur experience, Sam moved along properly. He is just now coming into his own and alot of the haters on here are going to be stewing for a long time. Have fun calling a polished boxer a crude slugger. He sure didn't look it against James Toney.



BINGO! :good

Finally someone makes some sense. Jeeeeeeez.

[geppy]

First of all the one knockdown didnt come from Sam hitting Wlad in the back of the head and the other 2 were perfectly legal considering Wlad turned his back and was hit behind the head, any official boxing rule book will tell you that. How could Sams punches be Illegal he had Wlad hurt and Wlad turned his back and got hit, what do you expect Peter to do wait for the ref to warn Wlad to turn around so he could punch him?

One knock down didnt even happen at all, any unbiased person could see Vlad was pushed down , and a punch wasnt even landed. The other two were right, smack in the back of the head and questionable.

[brooklyn1550]

One knock down didnt even happen at all, any unbiased person could see Vlad was pushed down , and a punch wasnt even landed. The other two were right, smack in the back of the head and questionable.

In the 5th round, the punches landed on the back of the head.

In the 10th round, the punch landed right on Wladimir's face - not on the back of the head

[geppy]

BINGO! :good

Finally someone makes some sense. Jeeeeeeez.


Jesus christ, that is ridicioulus. Jeremy Williams, Yanqui Diaz , Shufford, Sykes, Pudar top 20. Williams, and Diaz are Top 20, bad chins.

[box03]

One knock down didnt even happen at all, any unbiased person could see Vlad was pushed down , and a punch wasnt even landed. The other two were right, smack in the back of the head and questionable. I kinda agree the one knockdown could be seen as a push down but Wlad was kinda hurt by Peters punches before that so I could see how it could be called a knockdown, the other 2 knockdowns counted for good reason a fighter should never turn his back to a fighter it shows weakness and unwillingness to want to continue the fight.

[geppy]

In the 5th round, the punches landed on the back of the head.

In the 10th round, the punch landed right on Wladimir's face - not on the back of the head


But he was hurt originally from a punch behind the head. I remember that, Peter clubbed Vlad in the back again illegally, hurt Vlad then knocked him down up against the ropes. One was certainly a push.

[swedeone]

One knock down didnt even happen at all, any unbiased person could see Vlad was pushed down , and a punch wasnt even landed. The other two were right, smack in the back of the head and questionable.



Give it a break. :patsch

The next time Wlad turns his head for fear of being knocked the fucc out, I suppose Sam should stop, wait a second or two, turn to the ref and politely ask, "May I throw another punch now that my opponent has turned his head forward again?" Read the rule book before you spout off nonsense.

Ohh and one more thing... pray the referee is as clueless as the one in the first fight was so that Wlad gets away with 96 bear hugs again.


Samuel Peter by TKO, round 7 in early 2008. Period.

[swedeone]

Jesus christ, that is ridicioulus. Jeremy Williams, Yanqui Diaz , Shufford, Sykes, Pudar top 20. Williams, and Diaz are Top 20, bad chins.


Similar competetion to what Wlad has fought recently. Any comeback to that?

I thought not.

At least Samuel can attribute the fights to being a baby and needing seasoning to mature and become a better fighter. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PROSPECT DOES.

What's Wlad's excuse for fighting the tomato cans he has been in the past 2 years? What's that?........ I can't hear you.

:hi:

[brooklyn1550]

But he was hurt originally from a punch behind the head. I remember that, Peter clubbed Vlad in the back again illegally, hurt Vlad then knocked him down up against the ropes. One was certainly a push.

It was an overhand right to the side of the head that originally hurt Wladimir in round 10. Then Wladimir backed up after an exchange and Peter hit him with a right hand that landed on the chin.

[brooklyn1550]

Jesus christ, that is ridicioulus. Jeremy Williams, Yanqui Diaz , Shufford, Sykes, Pudar top 20. Williams, and Diaz are Top 20, bad chins.

Jovo Pudar had a very good chin

[box03]

Give it a break. :patsch

The next time Wlad turns his head for fear of being knocked the fucc out, I suppose Sam should stop, wait a second or two, turn to the ref and politely ask, "May I throw another punch now that my opponent has turned his head forward again?" Read the rule book before you spout off nonsense.

Ohh and one more thing... pray the referee is as clueless as the one in the first fight was so that Wlad gets away with 96 bear hugs again.


Samuel Peter by TKO, round 7 in early 2008. Period. I dont understand how all these guys could come on hear and say the rabbit punches were illegal yet if Wlad was standing toe to toe with him and didnt turn his back that wouldnt of happend, I wish some would read the rule book before they argue the punches Peter landed were illegal. Though I could see geppys point with Peter pushing down Wlad during the one knockout, but it reminds me of the Lewis/Tyson match were Lewis hit him with the last shot and then pushed him down when Tyson grabbed ahold of him.

[geppy]

Jovo Pudar had a very good chin

Peter didnt knock him out either. Shit, any decent HW that can punch some is going to KO Jeremy Williams, Julius Long, Diaz, Gil Martinez , Shufford. Peter has a huge hit list of Koing fighters with very shaky chins.

[brooklyn1550]

Peter didnt knock him out either. Shit, any decent HW that can punch some is going to KO Jeremy Williams, Julius Long, Diaz, Gil Martinez , Shufford. Peter has a huge hit list of Koing fighters with very shaky chins.

I know he didn't knock Pudar out...nobody has

[swedeone]

Let me remind you that the punches Peter caught Bitchko with were mere glancing blows. It does not take much to crack a vase :yep


I've been saying that for years. Dead-on accurate, by the way. Every Klit-ite will have you believe that Wlad took Sam's absolute best, clean power shots that night. What a fuccing JOKE. :rofl

Sam only landed about 4 semi-clean punches the entire night. 3 of which floored Wlad. What would have happened if the referee hadn't allowed Wlad to excessively hold 96 times that night and Sam actually landed a clean power shot? I'll tell you what would have happaned... Wlad would have heard the referee say "1" and that woulda been it.

:yep

[Heavyrighthand]

Sam only landed about 4 semi-clean punches the entire night.:yep


:lol:

Go back and watch the fight, and take a notepad with you to keep a running score of how many flush shots Peter landed that didn't do anything..................and also, leave your bias hatred out of it, and give an honest count.

Peter caught Wlad, FLUSH, at least five times, and many other semi flush shots, and yet the glass chin clown didn't get KOed.

Now either Peter is not the KO monster he was touted as being, or Wlad is not the china chin he was touted as being.

I think its a bit of both. :good

[RUSKULL]

:lol:

Go back and watch the fight, and take a notepad with you to keep a running score of how many flush shots Peter landed that didn't do anything..................and also, leave your bias hatred out of it, and give an honest count.

Peter caught Wlad, FLUSH, at least five times, and many other semi flush shots, and yet the glass chin clown didn't get KOed.

Now either Peter is not the KO monster he was touted as being, or Wlad is not the china chin he was touted as being.

I think its a bit of both. :good

C'mon now, these guys don't want to hear facts....................

[swedeone]

Klit lickers know the facts...

Their boy beat a rookie HW by 3 points
Their boy hugged like your 210 pound aunt Bessie, 96 times.
Their boy was hit by 4 "semi" decent shots the entire night. (And YES, he was. Don't make it sound like he was baraged all night long and walked through power shots. He didn't. Period.)
Their boy was floored by 3 glancing blows and NOT by A CLEAN POWER SHOT.
Their boy could not finish an extremely tired and hurt rookie fighter.
Their boy was aided by an awful referee who not only should have deducted points for excessive holding but also for deliberately turning his head.


Rematch 2008 will give us a NEW champion when these two fight and it won't be by decision either.

:hi:

[swedeone]

I'll take you up on this offer. Post a link to a video of the fight and I will give you my honest opinion. The fight was a while ago, so I do not remember it too well. I just remember bitchko being floored 3 times and that they were not by powerful shots.


Watch it again if you want but you don't need to. ANY objective fan that saw the fight knows that Klitschko was not knocked down by anything remotely resembling a good HW power shot.

[RUSKULL]

Klit lickers know the facts...

Their boy beat a rookie HW by 3 points
Their boy hugged like your 210 pound aunt Bessie, 96 times.
Their boy was hit by 4 "semi" decent shots the entire night. (And YES, he was. Don't make it sound like he was baraged all night long and walked through power shots. He didn't. Period.)
Their boy was floored by 3 glancing blows and NOT by A CLEAN POWER SHOT.
Their boy could not finish an extremely tired and hurt rookie fighter.
Their boy was aided by an awful referee who not only should have deducted points for excessive holding but also for deliberately turning his head.


Rematch 2008 will give us a NEW champion when these two fight and it won't be by decision either.

:hi:

Your boy knocked his opponent down 3 times, only one was legit though, and HE STILL LOST THE FIGHT BY 3 POINTS!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:


That's some funny shit right there man :rofl

How shitty of a boxer do you have to be to lose by 3 points after being awarded 2 illegal knockdowns?

That ref was shitty though, he should've DQ'd Peter for rabbit punches. :deal

[RUSKULL]

Watch it again if you want but you don't need to. ANY objective fan that saw the fight knows that Klitschko was not knocked down by anything remotely resembling a good HW power shot.

Yeah, we'll all just take your word for it! :roll:

[brooklyn1550]

Your boy knocked his opponent down 3 times, only one was legit though, and HE STILL LOST THE FIGHT BY 3 POINTS!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:


That's some funny shit right there man :rofl

How shitty of a boxer do you have to be to lose by 3 points after being awarded 2 illegal knockdowns?

That ref was shitty though, he should've DQ'd Peter for rabbit punches. :deal

You don't have to be a shitty boxer - you perform on a world-class stage and you're not shitty. The problem for Peter was he was facing, by far, the best heavyweight in the world.

[RUSKULL]

What's Wlad's excuse for fighting the tomato cans he has been in the past 2 years? What's that?........ I can't hear you.

:hi:

Klitschko's recent competition is far better than Peter's and he weakest foe was his madatory defense, Austin, the same guy that had a draw against current WBO beltholder Sultan Ibragimov.

[RUSKULL]

You don't have to be a shitty boxer - you perform on a world-class stage and you're not shitty. The problem for Peter was he was facing, by far, the best heavyweight in the world.

Normally there would be no shame in losing to the best HW but swedebone here has an attitude so I'm hitting back with similar but superior logic. :D

[brooklyn1550]

Normally there would be no shame in losing to the best HW but swedebone here has an attitude so I'm hitting back with similar but superior logic. :D

:good

[RUSKULL]

BTW brooklyn, that ref should have at least warned Peter for the rabbit punches. Clinching is not illegal, holding is. But even holding doesn't put the opposing fighter's health at risk the way punching to the back of the head does. That's a fact that these haters just can't seem to understand.

[brooklyn1550]

But even holding doesn't put the opposing fighter's health at risk the way punching to the back of the head does.

That's a very good point

[Ambition_Def]

Excessive clinching IS illegal.:hi:

[CHEF]

Your boy knocked his opponent down 3 times, only one was legit though, and HE STILL LOST THE FIGHT BY 3 POINTS!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:


That's some funny shit right there man :rofl

How shitty of a boxer do you have to be to lose by 3 points after being awarded 2 illegal knockdowns?

That ref was shitty though, he should've DQ'd Peter for rabbit punches. :deal

You are so right. Can I get an amen!:good :good :good
Im so sick of this crap with the peter lovers. Your boy lost. Accept it and move on. By the way.....

NO WAY Duva and Don King and the rest of the A-Holes in camp Peter will let him fight Wlad. They will pick easier competion and hold that belt as long as possable. They all know Peter cant beat him.

[brooklyn1550]

You are so right. Can I get an amen!:good :good :good
Im so sick of this crap with the peter lovers. Your boy lost. Accept it and move on. By the way.....

NO WAY Duva and Don King and the rest of the A-Holes in camp Peter will let him fight Wlad. They will pick easier competion and hold that belt as long as possable. They all know Peter cant beat him.

I am in total aggreement that Peter lost the fight and that's that. But there really is no basis in saying Peter will duck tough competition.

[CHEF]

I am in total aggreement that Peter lost the fight and that's that. But there really is no basis in saying Peter will duck tough competition.

I think Sam himself wants to fight the best.....its his handlers that wont allow it

[brooklyn1550]

I think Sam himself wants to fight the best.....its his handlers that wont allow it

Let's hope that doesn't happen...

[CHEF]

Let's hope that doesn't happen...

IMO with Peter as champ that gives Don King some slight control again in the HW division. DK will want to hold that as long as possable and a fight with Wlad is to risky

[box03]

BTW brooklyn, that ref should have at least warned Peter for the rabbit punches. Clinching is not illegal, holding is. But even holding doesn't put the opposing fighter's health at risk the way punching to the back of the head does. That's a fact that these haters just can't seem to understand. Fighters not allowed to lean on the backs and necks of other fighters that is illegal, Peter hit Wlads head when Wlad turned his back and put his down that is legal look it up. Wlad won who cares, and yes Peter has been Wlads toughest defense in the last 3 years, and almost knocked him out at one point.

[El Bombasto]

It's funny how Peter's fans are always making excuses for his rabbit punches and the fact that he always looks bad against B-Level competition. If he's as great as his fanboys think he is, his performance should speak for itself.

[CHEF]

It's funny how Peter's fans are always making excuses for his rabbit punches and the fact that he always looks bad against B-Level competition. If he's as great as his fanboys think he is, his performance should speak for itself.

Great point and well said:good :good :good :good :good

[box03]

It's funny how Peter's fans are always making excuses for his rabbit punches and the fact that he always looks bad against B-Level competition. If he's as great as his fanboys think he is, his performance should speak for itself. There is no excuses Wlad was hurt turned his back and he payed the price for it, dont you think the ref knows the rules by now and even if it was a foul the knockdowns wouldnt of counted and Peter would of got warned but he didnt. Please watch the fight, what do you want Peter to do wait for the ref to turn Wlad back around and warn him that he cant turn his back to his oppenent get real.

[El Bombasto]

There is no excuses Wlad was hurt turned his back and he payed the price for it, dont you think the ref knows the rules by now and even if it was a foul the knockdowns wouldnt of counted and Peter would of got warned but he didnt. Please watch the fight, what do you want Peter to do wait for the ref to turn Wlad back around and warn him that he cant turn his back to his oppenent get real.

So, by your logic, if a fighter doesn't turn his back to Peter, The Nigerian Nightmare doesn't stand a chance. His strategy relies of fighters turning their backs to him, right?

[box03]

So, by your logic, if a fighter doesn't turn his back to Peter, The Nigerian Nightmare doesn't stand a chance. His strategy relies of fighters turning their backs to him, right? No Im not saying that at all, Peter had Wlad hurt and for whatever reason turned his back to Peter I guess to avoid punches and got knocked down. I honestly see nothing wrong with what Peter did, if you watch Hagler/Hearns or Frazier/Foreman the same thing happend if fighter turns his back on you its fair game.

[Decker]

Have been off line for a week - catching up. Many upcoming fights are getting attention, but Taylor-Pavlik & Mayweather-Hatton are getting tons of posts. Anyway, to the topic at hand. I've not been a Peter nuthugger like box03 or swedeone, nor a hater like many. Peter is a big HW with a big punch and a durable chin. He's also a crude mofo, who does deliver some questionable punches. His 2 bouts vs a fading, almost no business fighting at HW JT were a big disapointment to me. He should have beaten JT more easily in their 2nd fight - even by stoppage. I favored him over Oleg, and think he'll most likely beat McCline. But if JM has more than a bit left, he could give Peter a tough fight. Overall Peter is a bit overrated. He has yet to defeat a top 10 HW. He probably will sooner or later, but his fanboys will not see him be the dominant HW they want.

Re the Wlad fight. Let's say the 3 KDs were legit - your boy still easily lost by UD. Which means he was thouroughly ouboxed - and he was - most of the fight. I don't know what some Peter loons were saying about Wlad looking worse for wear after their fight. Take into consideration (this is more simple than common sense) that a dark skinned person will not show bruising as readily as a lighter skinned person. But it doesn't mean it's not there ! Peter's face was quite puffed & marked up after eating shots from Wlad over 12 rounds. :!: As for Wlad's excessive clinching - give it up. This has become beyond lame. :tired Watch Ali's fights or many other great HW boxers. They clinched just as much as Wlad (or more) and against much smaller fighters than the 250+ lb Peter. If Wlad isn't all that good, then Peter's competitive loss didn't mean anything either. Which means Peter really has yet to do anything but stop the J Williams & T Sykes of the division. Big f'in deal. Some idiot above said that Wlad hasn't done much since beating Sam. :nut Then Peter has done even less since his loss to Wlad. :yep The haters want to have it both ways - but you can't. Which is it? If Wlad isn't all that good, then Peter is a glorified bum. :lol:

I happen to think both are better. He may not be the image of the top HW to some, but Wlad is the top HW right now. Peter deserves being in the top 10. Let's see what he does in his next 2-3 fights.

[RAMPAGE0017]

BTW brooklyn, that ref should have at least warned Peter for the rabbit punches. Clinching is not illegal, holding is. But even holding doesn't put the opposing fighter's health at risk the way punching to the back of the head does. That's a fact that these haters just can't seem to understand.


Even with Peter's fouling WALD still won a clear-cut decision. I don't get why people want to see a rematch between these two so badly.... Wladimir will beat Peter 9 and a half times out of 10, with the half being in Peter's favor if he were to land a very VERY lucky shot. Wladimir has improved in every aspect of his skill.. the only noticable improvement in Peter's game is he throws a slightly higher punch output than he used to.

[psychopath]

By no means am I a hater, but the fact of the matter is that if McCline doesn't beat Peter, he's going to definitely show just how many limitations this guy truly has. And he sure as hell isn't the number 2 heavyweight in the world. What Samuel Peter IS is a decent fighter whose basically just a rough copy of what everyone wants in the heavyweight division right now, so he's becoming overrated through the fucking roof.

Nah nah nah buddy . . . the fact of the matter is . . . he's the most screwed up heavy weight fighter today. WBC is very much succesful in delaying his career advancement by denying him that goddam title shot over and over again. :yep

I'm not saying he is gonna be succesful . . . but we ought to know by now where he should really be if not for fucki'n WBC.

[Cruiser1]

Sam Peter isn't overrated according to Ring Magazine. Ranked #2 behind the only man to beat him, Wladimir Klitschko.

[Bigcat]

I think the equalizer will be the proof in pure daylight, When we see Samuel start to demolish established champs.. The return against Wlad is a natural.. I can't wait for the fight , it will be like the present day Tyson v Spinks when it actually occurs.. Sammy will not fail over time.. He is starting to show signs of becoming a class fighter.. He was three years ago acting very bull headded and stubborn with his raw style and non complience to a strict diet, but he has buckeled down and is realising his potential..

[RUSKULL]

Excessive clinching IS illegal.:hi:

Depends on your definition of "excessive"

Wlad broke the clinch whenever the ref told them to.

[RUSKULL]

Fighters not allowed to lean on the backs and necks of other fighters that is illegal, Peter hit Wlads head when Wlad turned his back and put his down that is legal look it up. Wlad won who cares, and yes Peter has been Wlads toughest defense in the last 3 years, and almost knocked him out at one point.

That's bullshit. NBT posted some great shots from the fight & Sam is leaning on Wlad's neck pushing him down & when Wlad tries to get back up Sam fires a shot aimed directly at the back of Klitschko's head.

You might want to take a look at those pictures before you make a bigger idiot of yourself. :good It's in another thread , started by you, asking whether or not Sam is a dirty fighter...................

[RUSKULL]

No Im not saying that at all, Peter had Wlad hurt and for whatever reason turned his back to Peter I guess to avoid punches and got knocked down. I honestly see nothing wrong with what Peter did, if you watch Hagler/Hearns or Frazier/Foreman the same thing happend if fighter turns his back on you its fair game.

Once again, re-watch the fight. Or you can just check out the pictures NBT posted in your other thread.

[RUSKULL]

:thumbsup Have been off line for a week - catching up. Many upcoming fights are getting attention, but Taylor-Pavlik & Mayweather-Hatton are getting tons of posts. Anyway, to the topic at hand. I've not been a Peter nuthugger like box03 or swedeone, nor a hater like many. Peter is a big HW with a big punch and a durable chin. He's also a crude mofo, who does deliver some questionable punches. His 2 bouts vs a fading, almost no business fighting at HW JT were a big disapointment to me. He should have beaten JT more easily in their 2nd fight - even by stoppage. I favored him over Oleg, and think he'll most likely beat McCline. But if JM has more than a bit left, he could give Peter a tough fight. Overall Peter is a bit overrated. He has yet to defeat a top 10 HW. He probably will sooner or later, but his fanboys will not see him be the dominant HW they want.

Re the Wlad fight. Let's say the 3 KDs were legit - your boy still easily lost by UD. Which means he was thouroughly ouboxed - and he was - most of the fight. I don't know what some Peter loons were saying about Wlad looking worse for wear after their fight. Take into consideration (this is more simple than common sense) that a dark skinned person will not show bruising as readily as a lighter skinned person. But it doesn't mean it's not there ! Peter's face was quite puffed & marked up after eating shots from Wlad over 12 rounds. :!: As for Wlad's excessive clinching - give it up. This has become beyond lame. :tired Watch Ali's fights or many other great HW boxers. They clinched just as much as Wlad (or more) and against much smaller fighters than the 250+ lb Peter. If Wlad isn't all that good, then Peter's competitive loss didn't mean anything either. Which means Peter really has yet to do anything but stop the J Williams & T Sykes of the division. Big f'in deal. Some idiot above said that Wlad hasn't done much since beating Sam. :nut Then Peter has done even less since his loss to Wlad. :yep The haters want to have it both ways - but you can't. Which is it? If Wlad isn't all that good, then Peter is a glorified bum. :lol:

I happen to think both are better. He may not be the image of the top HW to some, but Wlad is the top HW right now. Peter deserves being in the top 10. Let's see what he does in his next 2-3 fights.

My thoughts exactly. Fair and honest opinion right here. :deal

[RUSKULL]

Sam Peter isn't overrated according to Ring Magazine. Ranked #2 behind the only man to beat him, Wladimir Klitschko.

.......and if the 2 never fought each other I guess they'd have Sam ranked above Klitschko for his percieved greatness :-( :huh

For instance, how is it that Peter is ranked above Chagaev, who has a win over 2 top 10's, Ruiz & the WBA champ at the time Valuev?

[Decker]

.......and if the 2 never fought each other I guess they'd have Sam ranked above Klitschko for his percieved greatness :-( :huh Wouldn't surprise me at all.

For instance, how is it that Peter is ranked above Chagaev, who has a win over 2 top 10's, Ruiz & the WBA champ at the time Valuev? Why, due to Sam's potential :huh :lol:
A Ruslan-Sam fight is hard to pick. I wonder if Chagaev would or should fight Peter on the inside. Maybe later in the fight, this could be effective vs Peter. Chagaev does not have the height/reach to fight Peter the way Wlad did. Would Chagaev use a similar plan to fight Peter that he used vs Valuev?

[RUSKULL]

the problem is excessive holding is not only rarely called, but points are almost never deducted. If Wlad did not hold as much that fight it could have been a lot different.

Well it would've been a shutout if Peter didn't punch the back of the head right?

[RUSKULL]

the problem is excessive holding is not only rarely called, but points are almost never deducted. If Wlad did not hold as much that fight it could have been a lot different.

............you just set yourself up for that one :nut :lol:

[Ambition_Def]

Ultimately it does depend on the referee. But the rulesbook specifically states that excessively grabbing/clinching is against the rules.

I was just correcting you that's all. :D

[box03]

Ultimately it does depend on the referee. But the rulesbook specifically states that excessively grabbing/clinching is against the rules.

I was just correcting you that's all. :D I dont care that he holds its part of boxing but when he leans on fighters back and neck thats when I get pissed, as I said before every fighter bends the rules in the ring its to what extent he breaks the rules that matters.

[mustang sally]

Peter is far older than 26 according to some insiders.

[brooklyn1550]

Peter is far older than 26 according to some insiders.

He's 27, but he looks like he's in his 30s. Looks can be decieving

[box03]

Peter is far older than 26 according to some insiders. I thought he just turned 27, who really cares what age he is as long as he fights good thats all that matters to me.

[Ambition_Def]

I dont care that he holds its part of boxing but when he leans on fighters back and neck thats when I get pissed, as I said before every fighter bends the rules in the ring its to what extent he breaks the rules that matters.

Yea. I'm consistent with my dislike for the bullshit. I didn't like Lennox Lewis for the exact same reasons. Holding on the inside, leaning on an opponent( back and neck). And Lennox would even hold and hit! Just disgusting that refs allowed this to go on.

Against Waldo it was pretty evident that whenever Sam Peter launched an attack with his right hand, Waldo would throw his left shoulder on top of Sam to catch the right hand under his arm or on his back. He virtually would turn into those right hands all the time. Which is how he got hit in the back of the head in the first place. He gets away with this because of the height disparity, but a ref should be on top of that shit regardless.

The sport would really be better off with or without it. No in the middle inconsistencies. We don't need a guy like John Ruiz clinching his way to a title, only to be denied that tactic against a Roy Jones. Same with Hatton getting away with his tactics in England, only to be removed from it in America.

Some surprises are nice but that to me doesn't constitute a surprise. It's a bad inconsistency that could be cleared up very easily in the rulesbook.

[Ambition_Def]

Peter is far older than 26 according to some insiders.

Anyone who has watched Samuel over the past few years knows that someone with his jovial nature is not fooling his age. That is his genuine character and very indicative of a 25-28 year old.

[box03]

Yea. I'm consistent with my dislike for the bullshit. I didn't like Lennox Lewis for the exact same reasons. Holding on the inside, leaning on an opponent( back and neck). And Lennox would even hold and hit! Just disgusting that refs allowed this to go on.

Against Waldo it was pretty evident that whenever Sam Peter launched an attack with his right hand, Waldo would throw his left shoulder on top of Sam to catch the right hand under his arm or on his back. He virtually would turn into those right hands all the time. Which is how he got hit in the back of the head in the first place. He gets away with this because of the height disparity, but a ref should be on top of that shit regardless.

The sport would really be better off with or without it. No in the middle inconsistencies. We don't need a guy like John Ruiz clinching his way to a title, only to be denied that tactic against a Roy Jones. Same with Hatton getting away with his tactics in England, only to be removed from it in America.

Some surprises are nice but that to me doesn't constitute a surprise. It's a bad inconsistency that could be cleared up very easily in the rulesbook. I like how everybody thinks there a ref now adays, the ref seen Wlad holding and turning his head to divert punches, the ref let the boxers fight instead of jumping in warning Wlad for excessive holding and turning his head. If Peters punches were illegal the ref wouldve not counted the knockdowns and Peter would of got warned, Wlad put himself in a bad position and paid the price for it fair and square.

[mustang sally]

Anyone who has watched Samuel over the past few years knows that someone with his jovial nature is not fooling his age. That is his genuine character and very indicative of a 25-28 year old.

what?

[Dorfmeister]

what?

This reply must be one of the funniest ever, guess that Mustang Sally doesn't accept jovial nature (?:rasta?) and genuine character as a measure for the years passed on the surface of Mother Earth and he shouldn't... Wonder if Sam Peter starts clowning around and pulling his opponent's trunks down for a joke, he may still win 1 Olympic Medal...

[bachatu]

I thought i was the only one who didnt like Lennox Lewis. Seems like he gets all praises here on ESB. Dont get me wrong, I have respect for the man and I like his character out of the ring, but I never really liked the way he fought in the ring... too much clinching. I thought he should have fought with more balls for being bigger & likely stronger than many of his opponents. Although, I didnt like his way of fighting, he had skills. We was one of the few heavyweights who was as good defensively as he was offensively.

Its good to see this 2 yr old thread still going lol... at least we know there some Peter supporters as there are haters. I like Peter for the heavyweight division of boxing; he brings excitement. He goes in to the ring for one reason, and thats to knock peoples heads off.

[Decker]

I thought i was the only one who didnt like Lennox Lewis. Seems like he gets all praises here on ESB. :roll: Your join date is earlier than mine, although you have less posts, but they don't mean too much. Have you read many posts about LL on ESB? I have for nearly 4 years now. You just revealed your lack of knowledge of many ESB posters regarding Lewis. They run the gamut form GOAT to overrated chinless wonder. My views are closer to the former. :yep

Dont get me wrong, I have respect for the man and I like his character out of the ring, but I never really liked the way he fought in the ring... too much clinching. I thought he should have fought with more balls for being bigger & likely stronger than many of his opponents. Ever watch the 70s Ali, or even worse many of the tub of lards who wrestled their way through an insomnia busting 12 rounds in the 80s??? Apparently not. Lewis & Wlad are not throw caution to the wind fighters (most successful fighters aren't), but they're more exciting than most HWs.

... at least we know there some Peter supporters as there are haters. I like Peter for the heavyweight division of boxing; he brings excitement. He goes in to the ring for one reason, and thats to knock peoples heads off. There have always been huggers, haters, and in betweeners of SP. He brings something different like others do. I'll admit to liking his presense as a crude slugger.

[bachatu]

[quote=Decker]:roll: Your join date is earlier than mine, although you have less posts, but they don't mean too much. Have you read many posts about LL on ESB? I have for nearly 4 years now. You just revealed your lack of knowledge of many ESB posters regarding Lewis. They run the gamut form GOAT to overrated chinless wonder. My views are closer to the former. :yep

It must be the more recent posts since he has retired that he gets praised then... I dont recall him getting nearly getting knocked on like Peter does. But then again, that is based on what I recall in memory which is the more recent.

[brooklyn1550]

If there is one heavyweight Peter needs to stay away from, it's Bergeron. I'm not saying this because I think he would lose a decision or get *********, but because I'm not sure if he would survive.

[Decker]

It must be the more recent posts since he has retired that he gets praised then... I dont recall him getting nearly getting knocked on like Peter does. But then again, that is based on what I recall in memory which is the more recent. Fair enough. LL gets a wide range of rankings among posters - from lock top 5 to barely top 25 HW !
You're not seriously comparing Lewis to Peter are you? :huh

[bachatu]

Nope Im not making a comparison between Lewis & Peter in regards to their fighting ability or accomplishments. Im making the comparison in regards to the hate that Peter gets, which is too much IMO. I think that based on what the division looks like, we need more aggressive guys like Peter. And I dont remember anyone calling Peter an ATG heavyweight or anything to that extent for people to be hating so much on him.

[Cruiser1]

.......and if the 2 never fought each other I guess they'd have Sam ranked above Klitschko for his percieved greatness :-( :huh

For instance, how is it that Peter is ranked above Chagaev, who has a win over 2 top 10's, Ruiz & the WBA champ at the time Valuev?

I'm not gonna argue with u here cuz it is a bit questionable. I'm guessing he got the ranking cuz of his two wins over Toney, who they had high regard for. Not to deviate off topic but I think Chagaev's win over Valuev is the best victory among the current champs other than Wladimir's win over Peter. Think about it, he won a belt off a 7-footer who outweighed him by 100 lbs. and it wasn't a vacant belt either. Chagaev went in there and took it from Nicolay.

[Decker]

Nope Im not making a comparison between Lewis & Peter in regards to their fighting ability or accomplishments. Im making the comparison in regards to the hate that Peter gets, which is too much IMO. I think that based on what the division looks like, we need more aggressive guys like Peter. And dont I remember anyone calling Peter an ATG heavyweight or anything to that extent for people to be hating so much on him. OK. I've been an in betweener re Peter. The un******ted hate Wlad gets exceeds Peter's. Maybe Wlad supporters want to give as they receive - I don't blame them. :(

As a Wlad (Lewis too) supporter, why would I "hate" on SP? It would diminish Wlad's win over him. I think that was one of Wlad's biggest wins. At the time his confidence was not exactly sky high, and many were touting Peter as the next big HW destroyer. I thought it was a pickem fight. Wlad won a comfy UD - with some rough spots. :cool:

Many Toney fans think JT won Toney-Peter I. My suspicions of Peter increased after their 2nd fight.

[swedeone]

Jeeeeeeeeeeeez... I can't wait till these two fight again in 2008. I think BOTH men will hurt eachother with Wlad getting the worst of it and falling due to him having nothing close to the chin Peter has. I also think Wlad will be at a HUGE disadvantage in that he won't have had a competitive guy in front of him for years and therefore will have no clue as to what to do when Sam cracks him one good. I think his hands will drop and he'll revert back to the panic attack thing and he'll get stopped. My opinion. :good

Peter by TKO, round 8

[Ironside]

Peter is very overrated, he beat a blown up steroid-using senior citizen and already he is considered right below Wlad when he doesn't even have a belt. He has a strong punch, but he would get decisioned badly by any of the current champs other than Maskaev.

[bachatu]

Peter is very overrated, he beat a blown up steroid-using senior citizen and already he is considered right below Wlad when he doesn't even have a belt. He has a strong punch, but he would get decisioned badly by any of the current champs other than Maskaev.

So which heavyweight champ is not overrated?

By the way-The blown up steroid user senior citizen was ranked in top 10 and defeated John the Quiet Man clincher Ruiz and knocked out Evander the real deal Holyfield.

The question is which current champ out there wants to fight him when they have the opportunity to cherry pick other & less dangerous opponents?

[El Bombasto]

He hasn't knocked out a ranked fighter, that's for sure...

But I think it's down right arrogant and idiotic for fans to call fighters "bums."

it goes without saying that there is a basic level of respect for any boxer. however, it also goes without saying that there is a clear distinction between decently skilled fighters who care about their craft and marginaly skilled fighters who only care about collecting a paycheck and would rather lay-down than put-up much of a fight. it is standard within the industry to refer to the latter as bums, get it idiot?

[RAMPAGE0017]

I told you fucking assholes this would happen.

[KobeIsGod]

:rofl when youre right, youre right

[RAMPAGE0017]

:rofl when youre right, youre right


Yeah, now tell me.. has Sam Peter " hit his peak " yet? Because it looked more to me like he hit the deck. :lol:

[madpup]

So which heavyweight champ is not overrated?

By the way-The blown up steroid user senior citizen was ranked in top 10 and defeated John the Quiet Man clincher Ruiz and knocked out Evander the real deal Holyfield.

The question is which current champ out there wants to fight him when they have the opportunity to cherry pick other & less dangerous opponents? On today's showing I believe Wlad, Chagaev and Ibragimov will feel very confident about fighting Peter.

[Farmboxer]

Maskaev would have knocked Peter out tonight. Vitali would have put Peter into the morgue!!!!!!! Vlad would very easily stop Peter!!!!!!! Valouev would stop Peter!!!!!!! Peter is all hype right down to Don King.

[fatdrunkenslob]

After tonight there's no way Peter would want to get into the ring against Vitali unless he has a morbid fascination with dying young.

[cuchulain]

He's a top 5 heavyweight who can give hell to anybody out there


Probably not.


He would lose to:

Valuev
Wlad
Vitali (healthy version)



He would have trouble with

Chagaev
Briggs
Tua
Sultan
Golata
Brewster
Byrd


I think he barely scrapes the top 10.

I posted the above in this thread (#16 ) 11 days ago.

And I'm still standing by it.

[MrStayman]

For the life of me, I can't understand why he gets bashed so much! :patsch

His piss poor defense?

[El Diablo]

Do guys think that Peter will get any better or quicker with his punches with age. Alot of people in the past have said that Peter is a raw fighter who will improve with age, but from what I see he has not yet. I can't help but wonder if there is any truth to the claim that he is much older than he says he is.:huh

[El Bombasto]

Do guys think that Peter will get any better or quicker with his punches with age. Alot of people in the past have said that Peter is a raw fighter who will improve with age, but from what I see he has not yet. I can't help but wonder if there is any truth to the claim that he is much older than he says he is.:huh

peter has bought into all of the hype surrounding him, he just expects to overwhelm everyone he faces

[RAMPAGE0017]

Do guys think that Peter will get any better or quicker with his punches with age. Alot of people in the past have said that Peter is a raw fighter who will improve with age, but from what I see he has not yet. I can't help but wonder if there is any truth to the claim that he is much older than he says he is.:huh


I don't know how much people expect Peter to improve at this point. His limitations are pretty evident.

[brooklyn1550]

get it idiot?

:roll:

[brooklyn1550]

Peter's about as good as he's ever going to get

[Rudolph]

Peter's about as good as he's ever going to get

That's a very optimistic way to define the term "good"

[The Whaler]

Sam Peter will "peter" out. LOL!!!!!!

[Joe Jeanette]

put him in with Klitschko again.

[Stinky gloves]

Peter will now way improve, he is limited in skills, he is too slow to win by pure boxing. He is overwhelming opponents with his powerful looping punches and thats all he have.

The bad thing for him is that his chin is no longer considered as stellar and he is ballooning up to 260lb so in the close future he may not be able to fight more than 5 - 6 rounds.

[Russkie]

How do you know he'll be coming in at 260lb? He's approached 260 before, but his last 3 fights he's been around 250.

Of course he'd do well to drop to to 230-235 if he can

[KilltheKing]

It's the entire division .. wall to wall mediocrity


Thks to the NFL/NBA/MLB

[petrozza]

It's the entire division .. wall to wall mediocrity


Thks to the NFL/NBA/MLB

MLB? Sorry, but I've never seen any top latino heavies... Ruiz doesn't count.

[jecxbox]

MLB? Sorry, but I've never seen any top latino heavies... Ruiz doesn't count.


Your mom don't count.

[Scar]

By no means am I a hater, but the fact of the matter is that if McCline doesn't beat Peter, he's going to definitely show just how many limitations this guy truly has. And he sure as hell isn't the number 2 heavyweight in the world. What Samuel Peter IS is a decent fighter whose basically just a rough copy of what everyone wants in the heavyweight division right now, so he's becoming overrated through the fucking roof.

There aren't enough to overrate or underrate in the division so don't blame any of that. Peter is a good heavyweight and probably the 2nd best right under Wladimir compared to the rest available so he's rated fine.