Would you be for this rule in boxing?

[Mendoza]

If you'd watched as much boxing as I have, there is a time when you hope the ref stops the fight. Often its in the lower weights where the fighters drain themselves to make weight, and one guy justs beats on the other but lacks the finishing power.

Late round come from behind KO's are rare, and even rare in the lower weights. We all know there are two endings in these type of fights, and one of them involves a tragedy.

Rounds 10, 11, and 12 could be dangerous. In such a case would you be for a rule that allows the referee to open up the score cards.

IMO, this might lead to a corner stoppage that would prevent a tragedy. With closed scoring some corner's still have the illusion that their man is still in the fight.

[MrMarvel]

We should go back to 15 round fights. Never open up the scoring.

Corners need to use better judgment.

At the same time, boxers know the danger when they sign up.

[Manassa]

Fifteen rounds.

Weigh in a few hours before the fight.

8oz gloves.

Problem solved!

[TheGreatA]

We have seen it with open scoring. It doesn't work.

[MrMarvel]

Fifteen rounds.

Weigh in a few hours before the fight.

8oz gloves.

Problem solved!

I completely agree. Weigh in a few hours before the fight. Absolutely.

[Manassa]

I completely agree. Weigh in a few hours before the fight. Absolutely.

When I've said that before, I got 'well the fighters would be in more danger because they won't be fully rehydrated.'

Fucking good, shouldn't try to attain that unfair advantage in the first place. They'd soon learn that it isn't worth it, and then we can watch fights where both men actually weigh the same as what it said on the scales.

[aj415]

Judges only made known the day of

[mrbassie]

When I've said that before, I got 'well the fighters would be in more danger because they won't be fully rehydrated.'

Fucking good, shouldn't try to attain that unfair advantage in the first place. They'd soon learn that it isn't worth it, and then we can watch fights where both men actually weigh the same as what it said on the scales.

I agree with you completely. I imagine it would be possible to test them for dehydration a few times in the days leading up to the fight anyway, that's a better safety measure imo.

[Shake]

I would be against. I sincerely believe every rule in boxing can be used for corruption and unfair advantages. It is a sport where promoters and businessmen decide the day. A rule like yours could be exploited.

While a corner may sometimes make stupid decisions that go against the health of their fighter, they at least unconditionally support their man.

[Unforgiven]

If you'd watched as much boxing as I have, there is a time when you hope the ref stops the fight. Often its in the lower weights where the fighters drain themselves to make weight, and one guy justs beats on the other but lacks the finishing power.

Late round come from behind KO's are rare, and even rare in the lower weights. We all know there are two endings in these type of fights, and one of them involves a tragedy.

Rounds 10, 11, and 12 could be dangerous. In such a case would you be for a rule that allows the referee to open up the score cards.

IMO, this might lead to a corner stoppage that would prevent a tragedy. With closed scoring some corner's still have the illusion that their man is still in the fight.


If it would influence the corner at all, it's just as likely to lead to a potential tragedy situation than to prevent one.
Let's say the referee opens the scoring and it turns out the fighter taking the beating is in fact in front .......

Anyway, any good corner should always put the fighter's well-being first, whether he's ahead or behind on points, if he's at risk of SERIOUS harm then the corner shouldn't even be weighing up the matter of the scoring.

[Mr Butt]

Fifteen rounds.

Weigh in a few hours before the fight.

8oz gloves.

Problem solved!



this would be good but cant see it happening

[clyde]

Fifteen rounds.

Weigh in a few hours before the fight.

8oz gloves.

Problem solved!

:deal

[bodhi]

Fifteen rounds.

Weigh in a few hours before the fight.

8oz gloves.

Problem solved!

:good

[red cobra]

Revert to the "50's" basically, the classic era of boxing, with 15 rounds, seperating the men from the boys, and having an "in control" referee who will stops a bout, or acknowledge a towel thrown in the ring by a responsible corner, and stop it then. We need no more orthopedic rules or devices to further pussify the sport, just a return to the 50's mentality and standards.

[PowerPuncher]

No because biased fans booing could influence judges in close fights

[PowerPuncher]

Revert to the "50's" basically, the classic era of boxing, with 15 rounds, seperating the men from the boys, and having an "in control" referee who will stops a bout, or acknowledge a towel thrown in the ring by a responsible corner, and stop it then. We need no more orthopedic rules or devices to further pussify the sport, just a return to the 50's mentality and standards.

I don't buy 'seperating the men from the boys' 15 rounds is only an extra 25% in time, if you can't beat a man over 12 its very unlikely you'll beat him over 15, just fight at a faster pace if you want to outwork your opponent.

Its a bit like claiming the 3000m is harder than the 5000m, its not just increase your pace over the 3000m and you'll see its just as hard

[janitor]

Fifteen rounds.

Weigh in a few hours before the fight.

8oz gloves.

Problem solved!

I don't think that having the weigh in a few hours before the fight would stop fighters from dehydrating themselves to make weight.

It never did in the past.

[Ezzard]

Fifteen rounds.

Weigh in a few hours before the fight.

8oz gloves.

Problem solved!

Totally agree... 12 rounds really changed the balance of the sport.

[Duodenum]

I don't buy 'seperating the men from the boys' 15 rounds is only an extra 25% in time, if you can't beat a man over 12 its very unlikely you'll beat him over 15, just fight at a faster pace if you want to outwork your opponent.

Its a bit like claiming the 3000m is harder than the 5000m, its not just increase your pace over the 3000m and you'll see its just as hardConn W12 Louis for the HW title, Walcott W12 Marciano, Charles W12 Marciano, Corbett W12 Jeffries, Johnson W12 Willard, Dauthuille W12 LaMotta, LaMotta W12 Robinson, Duran W12 Hagler, ect...etc...ect...

[janitor]

I don't buy 'seperating the men from the boys' 15 rounds is only an extra 25% in time, if you can't beat a man over 12 its very unlikely you'll beat him over 15, just fight at a faster pace if you want to outwork your opponent.

Its a bit like claiming the 3000m is harder than the 5000m, its not just increase your pace over the 3000m and you'll see its just as hard

Even if you reduce your workrate over a longer fight (not a given) you still have to move around the ring, graple with your oponent, remain mentaly alert and hold your hands up.

They don't call it the championship rounds for nothing.

[PowerPuncher]

Conn W12 Louis for the HW title, Walcott W12 Marciano, Charles W12 Marciano, Corbett W12 Jeffries, Johnson W12 Willard, Dauthuille W12 LaMotta, LaMotta W12 Robinson, Duran W12 Hagler, ect...etc...ect...

Except the fighters who were losing would have undoubtadly stepped the pace up earlier for the most part and not took rounds off in the 11th-12th

[PowerPuncher]

Even if you reduce your workrate over a longer fight (not a given) you still have to move around the ring, graple with your oponent, remain mentaly alert and hold your hands up.

They don't call it the championship rounds for nothing.

While true the intensity of all those would likely drop or increase somewhat, any fighter in history could be exhausted after 12rounds if the pace is sufficient.

[janitor]

While true the intensity of all those would likely drop or increase somewhat, any fighter in history could be exhausted after 12rounds if the pace is sufficient.

Well guys like Bat Nelson and Ad Wolgast were able to mantain high punch outputs for 20 or even 40 rounds.

Maybe they were prety worked over after 12 rounds and were prety much going on adrenaline for the rest of the fight.

They say that a half marathon is a physical challenge while a marathon or ultra marathon is more of a mental challenge.

[Manassa]

I don't think that having the weigh in a few hours before the fight would stop fighters from dehydrating themselves to make weight.

It never did in the past.

It'd stop them to an extent. What you really have to look at is the death or serious injury ratio.

[Duodenum]

Except the fighters who were losing would have undoubtadly stepped the pace up earlier for the most part and not took rounds off in the 11th-12thRamirez W15 Rosario, Hagler W15 SRL.

[Bill Butcher]

We should go back to 15 round fights. Never open up the scoring.

Corners need to use better judgment.

At the same time, boxers know the danger when they sign up.

Agreed

[GPater11093]

i have always said in regards to weights they hsouldmove it to the day of the fight and the weeks before a fight have check weigh ins say every 5 days and every 2 in the last week

and the fighters have to make a set limit at every stage, also for the journymen etc.. this would be done every week or so witht hem fighting often they wouldnt need it as much

[teeto]

I reckon 15 rounds should be brought back but i understand the arguments against such. Really want it though personally.

[GPater11093]

thought we was free of you for a week

[Addie]

Fifteen rounds.

Weigh in a few hours before the fight.

8oz gloves.

Problem solved!

:good

[teeto]

thought we was free of you for a week
I told you it was the 24th. I'm really ashamed GP, i'd rather we don't bring it up!

[Addie]

I reckon 15 rounds should be brought back but i understand the arguments against such. Really want it though personally.

I don't. It was limited to 12 because of the Mancini vs Kim controversy, so that implies they think limiting a boxing match by three rounds will save lives. ...It won't. Kim didn't die because the fight was scheduled for 15, he died because he took an unreal amount of punishment in a sport where guys are hitting eachother. Bring back 15 rounds, it'll separate the men from the boys.

[teeto]

I don't. It was limited to 12 because of the Mancini vs Kim controversy, so that implies they think limiting a boxing match by three rounds will save lives. ...It won't. Kim didn't die because the fight was scheduled for 15, he died because he took an unreal amount of punishment in a sport where guys are hitting eachother. Bring back 15 rounds, it'll separate the men from the boys.
Nice. I said the other day in a different thread that fight distance is something that doesn't get mentioned nearly enough when assessing the greatness of a fighter.

[Addie]

Nice. I said the other day in a different thread that fight distance is something that doesn't get mentioned nearly enough when assessing the greatness of a fighter.

Good point, Teeto. Many of today's fighters probably wouldn't even have the stamina for a 15 round fight...most notably the Heavyweights.

[The Morlocks]

We should go back to 15 round fights. Never open up the scoring.

Corners need to use better judgment.

At the same time, boxers know the danger when they sign up.
EXACTLY. Arguello said it best when he said that any good fighter can go 12 rds. But the champions go 15. If people don't want to see fighters get hurt, then watch Amateur boxing. Boxing was RUINED when they went to 12 rds. in a kneejerk reaction to Kim's death by the crook Suliaman in 1982.:rasta

[MrMarvel]

When I've said that before, I got 'well the fighters would be in more danger because they won't be fully rehydrated.'

Fucking good, shouldn't try to attain that unfair advantage in the first place. They'd soon learn that it isn't worth it, and then we can watch fights where both men actually weigh the same as what it said on the scales.

Right. If you have to dehydrate to make weight, then you have not properly prepared for the fight.

[ChrisPontius]

When I've said that before, I got 'well the fighters would be in more danger because they won't be fully rehydrated.'

Fucking good, shouldn't try to attain that unfair advantage in the first place. They'd soon learn that it isn't worth it, and then we can watch fights where both men actually weigh the same as what it said on the scales.

A solution to that, which is both safe and guarantees that the boxers weigh the same, would be that there are two weigh-in's: one the day before the fight and one in the dressing room, hours before the fight.


As for open scoring: it sucks. The idea that you know one is cruising to a decision takes away all the anticipation and tension. Really, i don't see any advantage. Corrupt scoring will still be there anyway.

[KTFO]

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[frankenfrank]

Fifteen rounds.

12 is better for the fighters. quite enough. what is holly about 15 ?
so why not 20 ? 25 ? 40 ?
15 may even prolong borefests. imagine a 15 rounds of hugging and butting.

Weigh in a few hours before the fight.

i'd even say immediately before the fight.
and this will require a new shw limit/division at 220

8oz gloves.

so why not bareknuckle ?

I completely agree. Weigh in a few hours before the fight. Absolutely.
my remarks are also for you

[teeto]

15, we need it.

[Manassa]

12 is better for the fighters. quite enough. what is holly about 15 ?
so why not 20 ? 25 ? 40 ?
15 may even prolong borefests. imagine a 15 rounds of hugging and butting.

i'd even say immediately before the fight.
and this will require a new shw limit/division at 220

so why not bareknuckle ?


my remarks are also for you

Fuck off, cunt.