If Douglas had decisioned Tyson

[SteveO]

According to the boxrec scores, Tyson was leading on one scorecard by a point, behind 88-82 on another card, and drawing even on the third. I score heavily in Buster's favor going into the 10th personally.

Suppose Douglas had won a UD, which it looks like he was capable of doing had he swept rounds 10-12? How would that affect his legacy? What about Tyson's?

[He Hate Me]

Better question, after the tyson knockdown of Douglas if the ref started his count on time tyson would have won.

[box03]

According to the boxrec scores, Tyson was leading on one scorecard by a point, behind 88-82 on another card, and drawing even on the third. I score heavily in Buster's favor going into the 10th personally.

Suppose Douglas had won a UD, which it looks like he was capable of doing had he swept rounds 10-12? How would that affect his legacy? What about Tyson's? Douglas would of still been famous but not as decorated, its the difference between beating the champ and destroying the champ. Tyson would of probably got a rematch with Douglas considering Tyson did knock him down and almost won himself, Tysons legacy wouldve changed much just one less knockout against him on his record.

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

It would not effect Douglas' legacy at all, because Douglas' "legacy" is putting on ONE good performance.
It would have slightly helped Tyson's legacy because it would be one less time that he got knocked out. (Tyson's never lost on the cards he always lost by getting stopped)
Do we assume that TYson gets dropped, but then gets up to finish the fight? Or that He never gets dropped?
The first would probably be more popular. People like it when fighter's get up to try some more.

[chimba]

Douglas has a Legacy??:huh

[El Bombasto]

Better question, after the tyson knockdown of Douglas if the ref started his count on time tyson would have won.

Is that you Don?

[SteveO]

Better question, after the tyson knockdown of Douglas if the ref started his count on time tyson would have won.

I disagree. I think Douglas was of sound mind and body. He would've gotten up on time.

[Marnoff]

Douglas has a Legacy??:huh

I guess in the same way that Neil Armstrong is remembered. When you're the first to do something incredible, you get remembered.

[chimba]

I guess in the same way that Neil Armstrong is remembered. When you're the first to do something incredible, you get remembered.

Armstrong didnt embarrass us with his actions later. He kept a dignified persona.

This is the same Buster who took a dive against Holyfield after all the adulation given to him

[kel]

Armstrong didnt embarrass us with his actions later. He kept a dignified persona.

This is the same Buster who took a dive against Holyfield after all the adulation given to him

I can't remember was DOUGLAS unbeaten coming into the Tyson fight?

[box03]

I can't remember was DOUGLAS unbeaten coming into the Tyson fight? No he had a couple losses coming in, the winner of Mccall/Douglas got the opertunity to fight Tyson. I really believe Mccall would of beat Tyson that night as well.

[unclepaulie]

can't remember was DOUGLAS unbeaten coming into the Tyson fight?

no

[box03]

Armstrong didnt embarrass us with his actions later. He kept a dignified persona.

This is the same Buster who took a dive against Holyfield after all the adulation given to him If you watch the fight between Douglas/Holyfield, Douglas was just out classed and when Douglas threw a lazy uppercut and missed Holyfield landed with a perfect counter hook. Theres no way Douglas took a dive in that fight in my opinion.

[Club Fighter]

The amazing thing about this fight is I don't understand how it could have gotten to the scorecards (or the 10th, for that matter) when Tyson already KO'd him in the 8th.

[MagnaNasakki]

God, enough with this long count arguement. Its not the fighters fault, and Buster would have stood up in time had the ref counted fast. He was fine.

[cuchulain]

Douglas has a Legacy??:huh

Being the first man to beat Tyson, and to do it by KO when Mike was 24 and prime and damned near invincible.

That's definitely a legacy of sorts.

[Zakman]

God, enough with this long count arguement. Its not the fighters fault, and Buster would have stood up in time had the ref counted fast. He was fine.

Exactly. That argument was bogus when King first tried to use it 17 years ago, and it hasn't gotten any more valid since!:yep

[hooligan]

God, enough with this long count arguement. Its not the fighters fault, and Buster would have stood up in time had the ref counted fast. He was fine.
nah buster aint fine he was aided with a long count and you know it :D

[thesandman]

If you watch the fight between Douglas/Holyfield, Douglas was just out classed and when Douglas threw a lazy uppercut and missed Holyfield landed with a perfect counter hook. Theres no way Douglas took a dive in that fight in my opinion.

I don't think he took a dive.

I do think he got fat, didn't train, didn't really try, and was there purely for the money though.



And give up the long count shit. The ref could have counted as quick as he could have got the words out, and Douglas would have got up. He was watching the ref as a good fighter should.

the way some people carry on, it's as though the ref waited until Buster was OK.

Tysons count wasn't a whole lot quicker either. Difference is, ref could have counted to 20 for Mike, wouldn't have mattered.

[LeonMcS]

I thought Busters best bit of legacy was finally putting to rest the theory that getting pizza delivered to the sauna is a good way to lose weight.

[rendog67]

it would not have affected his legacy it may have affected tyson though

[Blacc Jesus]

nah buster aint fine he was aided with a long count and you know it :D
:rofl:rofl:rofl
im cryin @ your avatar

[surreal deal]

Better question, after the tyson knockdown of Douglas if the ref started his count on time tyson would have won.
thats a statement,not a question.
Also its been argued about plenty.this one hasnt.
i think the judges would have found a way to give it to Tyson somehow.

[surreal deal]

Armstrong didnt embarrass us with his actions later. He kept a dignified persona.

This is the same Buster who took a dive against Holyfield after all the adulation given to him
Armstrong couldnt take a dive though, because of the moons low gravity.:hey

[surreal deal]

God, enough with this long count arguement. Its not the fighters fault, and Buster would have stood up in time had the ref counted fast. He was fine.

:good
beat me to it.
DK and the WBC tried that.Remember the backlash!

[surreal deal]

Exactly. That argument was bogus when King first tried to use it 17 years ago, and it hasn't gotten any more valid since!:yep
sorry, ive paraphrased you there zak.

[surreal deal]

How about this question:
What would have happened if Buster was K.D just one minute into the round?
that would have been interestng.any thoughts?:?

[DamonD]

Buster wouldn't have won a UD, they would've fudged it (as they were already doing) to get Mike a gimme draw.

As for the 'long count' stuff, spare me...not only was Buster watching the ref intently from about the count of 3 and was ready to rise, but the ref did the same slow count for Mike (who was crawling about on the canvas for most of the count instead).

[lefthook31]

I dont think it would have made much of a difference. Douglas was giving Tyson a shalacking the whole fight. The fact that anyone could have Tyson ahead in that fight is just a joke. Douglas did the right thing and went for the KO.

[lefthook31]

No he had a couple losses coming in, the winner of Mccall/Douglas got the opertunity to fight Tyson. I really believe Mccall would of beat Tyson that night as well.

I dont know about that. Douglas had way more skills than Mcall. He actually had a very good jab and right hand, he just never really had the fighting spirit he showed in the Tyson fight. Mcall was also a Tyson sparring partner, so Mcall mentally would not be prepared like Douglas was for Tyson, not to mention a unmotivated Douglas beat MCall rather easily.

[divac]

I disagree. I think Douglas was of sound mind and body. He would've gotten up on time.

If you're a Tyson nutswinger, that just is'nt so!:lol:

[Cruiser1]

I dont know about that. Douglas had way more skills than Mcall. He actually had a very good jab and right hand, he just never really had the fighting spirit he showed in the Tyson fight. Mcall was also a Tyson sparring partner, so Mcall mentally would not be prepared like Douglas was for Tyson, not to mention a unmotivated Douglas beat MCall rather easily.

Tyson's sparring partners were beating him up daily. I think Trevor Berbick was one of them also. I know Greg Page was there cuz he knocked Tyson down. If this is what was happening in camp I think McCall would have definitely had a chance. He knew Tyson inside and out but he didn't beat Douglas so it's all academic.

[box03]

Tyson's sparring partners were beating him up daily. I think Trevor Berbick was one of them also. I know Greg Page was there cuz he knocked Tyson down. If this is what was happening in camp I think McCall would have definitely had a chance. He knew Tyson inside and out but he didn't beat Douglas so it's all academic. Thats what I was trying to say, Tyson was there for the taking at that point in 1990. Rooney wasnt in his corner, he had that fruit cake Erin snow in his corner with a rubber glove on his eye trying to take down the swelling. If my memory serves me correctly Page knocked down Tyson in 1988 before the Spinks fight, sometimes you just get caught.